Official 2010 Academy Awards thread of downward spiral into irrelevancy

[Cormacaroni]

Willco you naughty boy. Come here so Daddy can give you a good spanking.

[The Fake Shemp]

 

[Ichirou]

I love how he keeps quoting my posts even though he claims to have had me on ignore for two days.

[The Fake Shemp]

Shake spammed cocks.  No abuse of power about it.

He's referring to the fact that I hijacked the original post so he (Glen Shinobi) can no longer edit the thread title.

[Raban]

This thread should be stickied and labeled "The BORE Terms of Service and FAQ" and replace the old one. Anybody who reads it will get a pretty clear idea what this forum is about.

[The Fake Shemp]

when did I say I was classy

[Flannel Boy]

when did I say I was classy

This is about as classless as the time you renamed GS's old Lord of the Rings thread "The Return of the Annihilation." That didn't end well.

[The Fake Shemp]

Hey, at least I let him have the last post before I locked it. Patel was just abusing him at that point.

[Mandark]

Anyone want to talk about movies in this thread?

I try, but this guy keeps trying to shift talk from the actual movie to how other people also liked the movie.  Wotta conundrum!

[The Fake Shemp]

[EvilBoris]

 

I don't think Two Lovers came out in 2009. 

 
well I don't believe The Hurt Locker is a 2009 film either . but you're right as it turns out Two Lovers is not eligible for any nod... something to do with screening on HDNet before its LA Premiere...

[Phoenix Dark]

Biden annihilated Avatar
http://jezebel.com/5462479/wtf-moment-on-daytime-tv
 

[brawndolicious]

He was my favored candidate (yea longshot) in 2008 but now I'll never care for his movie opinion than random trolls on the internet.

[BlueTsunami]

Biden annihilated Avatar
http://jezebel.com/5462479/wtf-moment-on-daytime-tv
 

That was so cringe worthy, he was so racking his brain for the name

[Diunx]

I still believe GS is trolling us, that nerdy scientist thing can't be serious.

[Mr. Gundam]

I don't think Two Lovers came out in 2009. 

well I don't believe The Hurt Locker is a 2009 film either .

Hurt Locker was nominated at the 2008 IFC Spirit Awards due it's premiere at the 2008 Venice International Film Festival, but it didn't get released outside the festival circuit until June 2009.

[Green Shinobi]

I still believe GS is trolling us, that nerdy scientist thing can't be serious.

That was one fucking gaffe, you idiot. One fucking sentence I wrote without even thinking about it because I couldn't remember the name of a character. You can find other posts I've made where I said that Jeremy Renner should win the Best Actor award for his role as the bomb defuser. Where the fuck are all the sarcastic posts saying "Glen's favorite acting job of the year, the deepest and most memorable, the bomb defuser!"? Oh right, those ones don't exist because people liked that movie. How about the times when I referred to George Clooney's character in Up in the Air simply as "George Clooney"? Couldn't remember his name either. No one even batted an eye at that. But Mandark makes one fucking pun, and now anyone who disagrees with me on Avatar has an easy straw man that they can just move down the field.

Thinking Avatar should win an Oscar is the equivalent of thinking Wii Sports is the best game of the generation Glen.

Why is that? At least Avatar is good. How about "you have your opinion and I have mine"? Why is that concept so difficult on this forum? It's not enough to express that you didn't like a film. No, anyone who did like it has to be wrong. Anyone who did like it must be an idiot who has never seen a good movie in his life. And even if he has seen a fuckload of great films from all genres and all time periods and has posted about them on this very forum, apparently he must have been asleep or stoned when watching them because it's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone who has watched films like 2001 or Yojimbo or The Searchers could ever like Avatar.  

It's ridiculous. It's like the "No one who has played a PC shooter could ever like Halo" argument, except even stupider. This incessant, pathological need to be right, and beyond that, to actively insult the people who you think are "wrong" is why this forum only has like 30 fucking active members.

It's fucking weird that the person I have the most respect for in this thread is am nintenho. He apparently hated Avatar just as much as Willco, but he doesn't make it personal. He doesn't insult the people he disagrees with. His posts about the movie are about the movie and nothing else. He doesn't spam ad hominems like crazy just because someone liked a movie that he didn't like. But for the rest of you, it's like you think the fact that you didn't like Avatar somehow makes you smarter, or a better critic, or reaffirms the importance of your opinions (it doesn't). Fuck off with your self-importance. You're one person with an opinion, and someone who liked Avatar is another.

I try, but this guy keeps trying to shift talk from the actual movie to how other people also liked the movie.  Wotta conundrum!

At this point I've explained exactly why I think Avatar deserves its Oscar nominations numerous times on this forum, Mandark. Clearly you disagree with me, so why not leave it at that and talk about other movies you liked in 2009?

[Diunx]

I still believe GS is trolling us, that nerdy scientist thing can't be serious.

That was one fucking gaffe, you idiot. One fucking sentence I wrote without even thinking about it because I couldn't remember the name of a character. You can find other posts I've made where I said that Jeremy Renner should win the Best Actor award for his role as the bomb defuser. Where the fuck are all the sarcastic posts saying "Glen's favorite acting job of the year, the deepest and most memorable, the bomb defuser!"? Oh right, those ones don't exist because people liked that movie. How about the times when I referred to George Clooney's character in Up in the Air simply as "George Clooney"? Couldn't remember his name either. No one even batted an eye at that. But Mandark makes one fucking pun, and now anyone who disagrees with me on Avatar has an easy straw man that they can just move down the field.

You were trying to make a point about how he wasn't a stock character but decided to call him nerdy scientist guy, you could just look up his name on imdb but just ended up making an ass out of your self as usual.

[Green Shinobi]

Ofcourse everybody has his own opinions, doesn't mean some aren't bad taste, like yours.

 

Translation: my opinion is better than yours because... well, because it is!

You were trying to make a point about how he wasn't a stock character but decided to call him nerdy scientist guy, you could just look up his name on imdb but just ended up making an ass out of your self as usual.

I could have done that and should have done that, but the point isn't that I didn't make a mistake, the point is that said mistake keeps getting brought up time and time again in totally unrelated scenarios.

[Green Shinobi]

Basicly yes. Sometimes thats just all there is to it.

The mere fact that even after numerous people tried to explain to you why Avatar is not an Oscar movie you dont see it, well thats speaks volumes. Its pretty clear there is a consensus on EB about this movie amd you can act like Nintendobooger now and go bu bu bu, but it won't do you any good and we'll all just keep on laughing about your horrid taste.

Do you really want to talk about a consensus when it comes to Avatar?

Winner - Golden Globe Award for Best Drama Picture
Winner - Golden Globe Award for Best Director
Nominated for Best Picture and Best Director at the Academy Awards
82% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes
94% Fresh among Top Critics (this kind of split almost never happens)
8.6/10 with 173,000 votes on imdb (#42 all time)
"A" rating among polled audiences across all demographics
$2 billion worldwide gross
Sold more tickets than any other film released in 2009 by a huge margin

"But no, I'm a self-important internet nerd whose opinion is so important it invalidates all of that!" 

"This movie isn't Oscar worthy even though it was just nominated for one!" 

If people who wanted to discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of the film would just do so without resorting to personal attacks, this forum would be a lot more pleasant. But what can anyone expect when the owner of the forum is also one of its biggest trolls?

[Green Shinobi]

Did Nintendosbooger hijack your account, or was he always a JC of yours?

You basicly did a copy pasta of all his threads, where he shows how many people love Nintendo and how good Nintendo is doing.

Real Talk: Nobody cares, Nintendo sucks and Avatar is not a good movie.

The only reason youre posting now is to troll people here, just like Nintendosbooger.

If the only thing I posted was "2 billion worldwide gross," you'd have a point, but I posted an overwhelming critical and audience consensus as well. It's like you're not even trying to be intellectually honest, Kosma.

Has it occurred to you that I post because I actually liked Avatar and don't appreciate being called a tasteless idiot for that?

[Raban]

Did Nintendosbooger hijack your account, or was he always a JC of yours?

You basicly did a copy pasta of all his threads, where he shows how many people love Nintendo and how good Nintendo is doing.

Real Talk: Nobody cares, Nintendo sucks and Avatar is not a good movie.

The only reason youre posting now is to troll people here, just like Nintendosbooger.

If the only thing I posted was "2 billion worldwide gross," you'd have a point, but I posted an overwhelming critical and audience consensus as well. It's like you're not even trying to be intellectually honest, Kosma.

Has it occurred to you that I post because I actually liked Avatar and don't appreciate being called a tasteless idiot for that?

Nobody would mind you if you had just said you liked Avatar. The extent to which you defend this film against any criticism is what people are annihilating you about.

And nobody here is going out of their way to personally attack you, but everything they say about Avatar sure is taken personally by you.

[Green Shinobi]

GS is just struggling with the fact some people are not willing to think outside the box on what constitutes an Oscar movie. I think we could have the same discussion with him about if Dan Brown books are literature.

This is not an ad hominem attack bro, just stating that you have your own perceptions of where some boundries are and have difficulty accepting that many members here are more traditional in that sense.

Literature and film are two entirely different mediums with different aims and objectives. It's not an exact equivalent. However, I have asserted many times that genre fiction can be counted as literature. I've never read a Dan Brown book, so I'm not going to get into that argument. I would call The Stand literature; is that one sufficiently controversial?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Literature and film are two entirely different mediums with different aims and objectives. It's not an exact equivalent. However, I have asserted many times that genre fiction can be counted as literature. I've never read a Dan Brown book, so I'm not going to get into that argument. I would call The Stand literature; is that one sufficiently controversial?

That depends. Are you calling it good literature?

[The Fake Shemp]

Did it an invoke a sense of awe and wonder and adventure?

[Mupepe]

Literature and film are two entirely different mediums with different aims and objectives. It's not an exact equivalent. However, I have asserted many times that genre fiction can be counted as literature. I've never read a Dan Brown book, so I'm not going to get into that argument. I would call The Stand literature; is that one sufficiently controversial?

That depends. Are you calling it good literature?

I AM!

[Green Shinobi]

My "sense of awe and wonder and adventure" post has been quoted several times now, and not once has anyone made any serious attempt to explain A) why those feelings are not universal, or B) why evoking said feelings as well or better than any film in the history of cinema is not a huge achievement in itself.

No, all we get is shit like: "Green Shinobi said Avatar evokes emotions. OMG, Twilight evokes emotions in teenage girls! They must be exactly the same!" 

GS is just struggling with the fact some people are not willing to think outside the box on what constitutes an Oscar movie.

Evilbore.com. Where if you think outside the box, FUCK YOU!

[Barry Egan]

B) why evoking said feelings as well or better than any film in the history of cinema is not a huge achievement in itself.

This reminds me of the time I argued that Good Burger was a great film in film class.  My argument was that Good Burger reminded me of how delicious hamburgers were on a level unsurpassed by any other film in Hollywood history.  Everyone kept arguing with me, but noone bothered to recognized that what while what I’m saying might be utterly nonsensical, it nonetheless says something universal about humanity, because everyone loves the fucking shit out of hamburgers.  Hunger, longing and tastiness are universal experiences, and in some sense define what it is to be human, therefore Good Burger is one of Hollywood’s greatest cultural contributions.     

[The Fake Shemp]

Annihilated.

[BlueTsunami]

B) why evoking said feelings as well or better than any film in the history of cinema is not a huge achievement in itself.

This reminds me of the time I argued that Good Burger was a great film in film class.  My argument was that Good Burger reminded me of how delicious hamburgers were on a level unsurpassed by any other film in Hollywood history.  Everyone kept arguing with me, but noone bothered to recognized that what while what I’m saying might be utterly nonsensical, it nonetheless says something universal about humanity, because everyone loves the fucking shit out of hamburgers.  Hunger, longing and tastiness are universal experiences, and in some sense define what it is to be human, therefore Good Burger is one of Hollywood’s greatest cultural contributions.     

[Green Shinobi]

This reminds me of the time I argued that Good Burger was a great film in film class.  My argument was that Good Burger reminded me of how delicious hamburgers were on a level unsurpassed by any other film in Hollywood history.  Everyone kept arguing with me, but noone bothered to recognized that what while what I’m saying might be utterly nonsensical, it nonetheless says something universal about humanity, because everyone loves the fucking shit out of hamburgers.  Hunger, longing and tastiness are universal experiences, and in some sense define what it is to be human, therefore Good Burger is one of Hollywood’s greatest cultural contributions.     

And still no one can seriously address my post. Good job, Chipopo.  

What's the point of even trying on a forum where the only measure of quality debate is teh funnies?

[The Fake Shemp]

Not only did he seriously address your post, he tore down your entire argument in one fell swoop. Game over, man. Game over.

[Green Shinobi]

Not only did he seriously address your post, he tore down your entire argument in one fell swoop. Game over, man. Game over.

He compared the universal human feelings of wonder and adventure to a hamburger. Furthermore, the entire post is stupid because 1) taste is not an emotion, and 2) even if the comparison were valid, a visual medium like film is not capable of conveying what it actually feels like to eat a hamburger.

I feel like I lost brain cells just typing that out. You're not much for logic, Federman, but you're a master of baiting, that much is certain.

[The Fake Shemp]

Hunger is a feeling. Game over, man. Game over.

[Green Shinobi]

I give up. Avatar sucks, it would be an utter disgrace if it won any awards, and everyone who liked it was clearly wowed by the spectacle and should know better next time. That, or they were moneyhatted. Which the Academy clearly was.

Can we talk about the other films now?

[Eric P]

i have a box full of Burger King Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs toys on my desk

it includes a ratbird with flapping wings and a talking Steve monkey toy.

it's pretty fucking awesome

[Howard Alan Treesong]

if somebody gave me the choice between wonder and adventure or a juicy hamburger, I would take the hamburger

especially if that hamburger came with Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs toys

[The Fake Shemp]

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs got robbed

[Green Shinobi]

Is the movie ACTUALLY about meatballs raining from the heavens, or is that just the title?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Cloudy received a Perfect Zero on the John K scale of 3D animation! ("Most cartoon features are thousands of points in the negative.")

I was sad it didn't get a nom in the animated category. 2009 was an awesome year for animation!

It's about a guy who invents a machine that makes it rain food to solve world hunger, but it ends up causing more problems than it's worth.

[Eric P]

STEVE

[Howard Alan Treesong]

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[Mr. Gundam]

Is the movie ACTUALLY about meatballs raining from the heavens, or is that just the title?

...

You never read the book?

What kind of sad childhood did you have?

[Raban]

B) why evoking said feelings as well or better than any film in the history of cinema is not a huge achievement in itself.

This reminds me of the time I argued that Good Burger was a great film in film class.  My argument was that Good Burger reminded me of how delicious hamburgers were on a level unsurpassed by any other film in Hollywood history.  Everyone kept arguing with me, but noone bothered to recognized that what while what I’m saying might be utterly nonsensical, it nonetheless says something universal about humanity, because everyone loves the fucking shit out of hamburgers.  Hunger, longing and tastiness are universal experiences, and in some sense define what it is to be human, therefore Good Burger is one of Hollywood’s greatest cultural contributions.     

I hope this isn't just trolling, because Good Burger is one of my personal favorite films. So fucking excellent. Have to be eating a burger any time I watch it though.

[Barry Egan]

 2) even if the comparison were valid, a visual medium like film is not capable of conveying what it actually feels like to eat a hamburger.

I know right!  It's almost like I applied an arbitrary standard to the movie that is completely independent of any objective measure. 

What an idiot I am. 

 

[Green Shinobi]

I know right!  It's almost like I applied a completely arbitrary standard to the movie that is completely independent of any objective measure. 

What an idiot I am. 

I wouldn't go so far as to call you an idiot, but it was pretty stupid. 

Also,  at "objective measure" in discussing any kind of artistic quality.

[Barry Egan]

Also,  at "objective measure" in discussing any kind of artistic quality.

This is what I told the people in film class!  They were like

a visual medium like film is not capable of conveying what it actually feels like to eat a hamburger

And I was all

at [trying to apply] "objective measures" in discussing any kind of artistic quality.

[Green Shinobi]

Was that before or after you flunked Philosophy 1: Basic Logic? 

[Great Rumbler]

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs got robbed

It boggles my mind that this movie actually turned out to be good.

[Human Snorenado]

Jesus Fucking Christ GS, just stop.  This is like watching a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow stick his dick in an electrical outlet over and over and over again, thinking that maybe this time it really will feel like pussy.

[Barry Egan]

Was that before or after you flunked Philosophy 1: Basic Logic? 

Which part of your own argument do you disagree with?

1) That there is no objective criteria for good films, so the fact that you experienced wonder and joy makes AVATAR good.  

2) That there is an objective criteria for good films, so the fact that I experienced hunger and longing while watching Good Burger does not make it a great film.  

[Green Shinobi]

Which part of your own argument do you disagree with?

1) That there is no objective criteria for good films, so the fact that you experienced wonder and joy makes AVATAR a great film. 

2) That there is an objective criteria for good films, so the fact that I experienced hunger and longing while watching Good Burger does not make it a great film. 

Neither one of those is my own argument. However, the fact that hunger has absolutely nothing to do with art, and the fact that you're actually comparing something that made you feel hungry to something that evokes emotions that art is supposed to evoke, means that you're either trolling or you really are that much of an idiot. Although it's probably both.

Jesus Fucking Christ GS, just stop.  This is like watching a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow stick his dick in an electrical outlet over and over and over again, thinking that maybe this time it really will feel like pussy.

If by "pussy" you mean "real, intellectually stimulating debate," and by "sticking my dick in an electrical outlet" you mean "responding seriously to distinguished mentally-challenged fellows," then you're absolutely right. I don't know why I bother.

[Christopher]

I never understood why people put so much stock in this awards shit like who cares

[Mandark]

I try, but this guy keeps trying to shift talk from the actual movie to how other people also liked the movie.  Wotta conundrum!

At this point I've explained exactly why I think Avatar deserves its Oscar nominations numerous times on this forum, Mandark. Clearly you disagree with me, so why not leave it at that and talk about other movies you liked in 2009?

No you haven't.

You've said that you really liked it and it deserves awards.  You've appealed to popularity and to authority to justify your opinion, and you've given it ultra-generic praise (it's an achievement in "visual storytelling" which, in the context of a narrative film is calling it "good").

For someone who's spent two, three hundred posts trying to defend his opinion of a picture, it's pretty stunning that you spend so little time talking about the movie itself.  This has been pointed out to you and yet you still go back to stupid shit like "oh, you think you're smarter than the Academy? hur hur".  I mean, honestly.

[The Fake Shemp]

This will be followed up with a reply where he states he has already made his argument for why the film is good "many times before".

[Eric P]

four months was pretty amazing

[Howard Alan Treesong]

honestly, Crash winning best picture sort of destroyed the Academy's credibility forever

remember Crash? EXACTLY.

there's been a lot of missteps (Titanic, Shakespeare in Love, Return of the King sweeps) but Crash is probably the most instantly incorrect statement they've made

[The Fake Shemp]

I think Crash hurt the Academy's credibility, but I think widening the field to The Blind Side, District 9 and Avatar has permanently destroyed it.

[Great Rumbler]

They nominated D9 and Avatar but not Moon. That alone destroys any credibility they might have had left.

[Eric P]

honestly, Crash winning best picture sort of destroyed the Academy's credibility forever

remember Crash? EXACTLY.

there's been a lot of missteps (Titanic, Shakespeare in Love, Return of the King sweeps) but Crash is probably the most instantly incorrect statement they've made

also, Gladiator

people who like Gladiator strike me as the same kind of people who only read fantasy fiction.