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[SantaC]

persona shits over the FF games in terms of story. I am sorry but it is true because there isnt a single FF game that has a good story. FFIX probably came the closest.

[Don Flamenco]

Are you so drunk on your weeaboo juice

i'm saving that one for later!

[Himu]

Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Don't know why Jin used it on me though as I'm waging a war against uguu.

[tiesto]

persona shits over the FF games in terms of story. I am sorry but it is true because there isnt a single FF game that has a good story. FFIX probably came the closest.

I enjoyed FF6's, and 7's in spite of the horrific translation. 13's story is pretty bad and wayyyy too much is obfuscated in the datalog.

[iconoclast]

Persona 3 and 4 > every FF game combined

[demi]

If you guys like dating simulators theres plenty of them to play. Why restrict yourself to Himusona? Wage war on the uguu by getting digital waifus!

[Himu]

smh

[OptimoPeach]

persona shits over the FF games in terms of story. I am sorry but it is true because there isnt a single FF game that has a good story. FFIX probably came the closest.

I enjoyed FF6's

One of the few JRPGs period in which the story isn't plagued with tinges of wacky jappy distinguished mentally-challenged

FFXIII would be probably worse than Infinite Undiscovery.

Let's not go that far

[Himu]

FFXIII would be probably worse than Infinite Undiscovery.

Let's not go that far

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[Don Flamenco]

Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Don't know why Jin used it on me though as I'm waging a war against uguu.

Just say "moms r tuff" and peace out like pimpwerx.  PEACE.

[Himu]

PEACE nicca

[Don Flamenco]

"PEACE distinguished black fellow"

Moms r tuff. PEACE. 

--TheDarkOne
FnordChan

[Himu]

hahaha

[magus]

Yes, but that's not a compelling argument as it still lets you play the game. You unlock fusion and the works right in the first dungeon. You can use slinks to your advantage from the first dungeon. Persona 3 doesn't dictate how the player plays the game

the game stops you from advancing forcing you to do those s.link even if you don't want to do them (not to mention you can't skip them) if that's not "dictating how the player plays the game" then i don't know what that is

you telling me that "you can still do fusion!" would be like me going "you can still go back in the tube and fight monster until you rack enough money!"

In FF13, you can't change your party until 20 hours in because - you guessed it - the party is always split up.

and out of curiosity how long does it take before you have a full party in persona 3/4? it takes quite a while,but it's not a problem for persona

You can't customize your party leader until 25 hours in. Character customization is completely locked until you beat chapters. You can't choose any role you want until you're 25 hours into the game.

your choice of customization in persona are reduced to what persona you use and do you ever want to use anything different than "the one that comes with the spell the monster are weak to it"? and heck you can't even customize your party member,why it's not a problem for persona?

The game doesn't let you explore

there is nothing to explore in persona game since all you have are empty random dungeon

persona shits over the FF games in terms of story

maybe ff8
guys save the world in generic fantasy = OMG THIS IS SO DULL AND DRAB I HATE EVERYTHING
guys save the world in modern tokyo = OMG THIS IS AWESOME

that is the perceved reality and why i have to hear people talk about mother 3 like is the hamlet of gaming
both series have decent stories but i really hate some plot point of persona here and there
for example

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hanako,they kill her for 5 minutes straight BECAUSE WE DESPERATELY NEED TO KILL SOMEONE FOR DRAMA,either you kill the little kid permanently,or you don't... same that red haired chick of persona 3 but at least she die for good... no wait now that i think about it wasn't there a sidequest that resurrected her or something,isn't that just plain distinguished mentally-challenged? how about everyone has to go "U ARE NOT ME!!!1!" because the game need some excuse for you to fight the dark version of the character? does the plot of persona 3 ever takes any step forward than "there is this giant monster,go and kill it" does the plot of persona 4 ever takes any step forward than "there is this guy in the tv,go and save him" before you save the last guy? do we really need the hadachi plot twist? heck do we really need the "the gas station attendant is a god" plot twist? that's a bigger "flea from the space" than the ones that final fantasy pull off!

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you guys go play tales of legendia,then you will know when a story is TRULY bad
and not just because there is a scene where the character dance like idiots

 

[demi]

I would suggest Resonance of Fate of having a really bad story

[Bebpo]

RoF has a better story than XIII once you read up on it since the main game doesn't explain things well.

The only problem with RoF is the ending is a little vague.

[demi]

Ok, now it's cool when the game holds stuff back

What next you guys... keep em coming

[Bebpo]

RoF isn't holding things back, it's just the plot is written/incorporated badly so it doesn't make sense unless someone explains it to you.

[demi]

Gettin dizzy from all this spin. Or is that all the WILD AND ZANY FLIPS my characters are doing

[iconoclast]

RoF isn't holding things back, it's just the plot is written/incorporated badly so it doesn't make sense unless someone explains it to you.

Doesn't FF13 do the same thing though with the datalog? No one reads that shit.

[demi]

RoF doesnt even let you read anything. Apparently there was this japanese only ultimania book that explains everything.

[Bebpo]

RoF isn't holding things back, it's just the plot is written/incorporated badly so it doesn't make sense unless someone explains it to you.

Doesn't FF13 do the same thing though with the datalog? No one reads that shit.

No, see in RoF it's not hidden in some side thing.  All the story info is in the main game in the cutscenes you see and the NPCs you talk to each chapter.  The problem is that it's not put together in a nice package with a bow so you don't catch all the clues and then at the end you are like "wtf did I just watch" and have no idea what the plot of the game was about.  It's basically like a David Lynch story except in RoF I'm pretty sure it's not like this on purpose but they just did a bad job pulling all the information together to have it make sense to a normal person playing along.

[recursivelyenumerable]

I haven't played the game, but the credits music is pretty sublime.  I especially like the seemingly incongruous but actually perfect brass note at the very end.

[TakingBackSunday]

I just finished the game.

As the credits rolled, I shook my head in disbelief, "is this it? is this what himumu and the others are calling the worst story and ending of a FF? surely they jest. They must have been playing a different series than I have."

And then I stood up, shouted "HEROES NEVER DIE" and hugged my tough mom.

13 = 7 = 10 >>>>> 8 . Real talk.

Himuchan is delusional

Jinfash

Although I need to fix your rankings.

6 > 4 = 10 = 9 = 7 = 13 > 5 > 3 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 2

[Himu]

I just finished the game.

As the credits rolled, I shook my head in disbelief, "is this it? is this what himumu and the others are calling the worst story and ending of a FF? surely they jest. They must have been playing a different series than I have."

And then I stood up, shouted "HEROES NEVER DIE" and hugged my tough mom.

13 = 7 = 10 >>>>> 8 . Real talk.

Himuchan is delusional

How am I delusional? And that ending is balls.

[MCD]

How am I delusional?

[Himu]

the game stops you from advancing forcing you to do those s.link even if you don't want to do them (not to mention you can't skip them) if that's not "dictating how the player plays the game" then i don't know what that is

Slinks allow you to level certain Personas more. So those story segments equate to more gameplay. That does not dictate what I can and cannot do.

you telling me that "you can still do fusion!" would be like me going "you can still go back in the tube and fight monster until you rack enough money!"

What kind of argument is that? You have not even played FF13. The argument is that FF13 takes entirely far too long for the meat and bones of the game to come out and let the player nibble. It has awful gameplay pacing and this is all hampered due to the story which holds the player by the hand to a tee.

your choice of customization in persona are reduced to what persona you use and do you ever want to use anything different than "the one that comes with the spell the monster are weak to it"? and heck you can't even customize your party member,why it's not a problem for persona?

You don't need to customize party members when you can customize hundreds of Personas. Once again, you are bringing up a strawman argument. The fact that you make Personas that are weak or strong to certain magic does not take away from the fact that the feature is not locked until 20 hours into the game. THAT is the issue with FF13.

there is nothing to explore in persona game since all you have are empty random dungeon

You have the choice of slinks, fusion, dungeon crawling, and more. The point here is just that: options. Options are good!

guys save the world in generic fantasy = OMG THIS IS SO DULL AND DRAB I HATE EVERYTHING
guys save the world in modern tokyo = OMG THIS IS AWESOME

Persona 3/4 are more interesting story-wise because it actually brings up things people can relate to. Like the dying guy in the park in 3. Or Kanji in P4, who  is a legitimately well written character who has gender and sexuality issues. I have yet to see one FF character nearly as interesting as Kanji. So while P3/P4 certainly have animu, they also contain far more interesting writing and story telling than your standard Final Fantasy. But no, if we're talking about Jin here, it's all the same thing, because Jin seems incapable of arguing with examples rather than emotion.

you guys go play tales of legendia,then you will know when a story is TRULY bad
and not just because there is a scene where the character dance like idiots

 

I got to a part like an hour into Legendia where people started dancing and singing.

I turned it off and sold it.

[Himu]

How am I delusional?

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The ending is garbage. One deus ex machina after another does not a good ending make. I was laughing out loud during the cutscene before the third final boss form. It was hysterical.

Prediction: Jinfash will say,"Oh, but other FF endings are the same thing!" and try to actually make this his argument.

 

[MCD]

get fooled by a reverse trap = interesting character.
wanting to be sluts = interesting character.

persona 4.



edit: i didn't beat the game yet, stopped after the power rangers scene for some splinter daddy conviction.

[Himu]

Jinfash

Although I need to fix your rankings.

6 > 4 = 10 = 9 = 7 = 13 > 5 > 3 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 2

8 = 6 = 5 > 12 > 4 >>>>>>> 9 >>>>>>>>> 7 >>>>>>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>> 10 >>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>> 13

[Himu]

get fooled by a reverse trap = interesting character.
wanting to be sluts = interesting character.

persona 4.

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I like how Persona games have an emphasis on psychology in their storytelling. I also enjoy the modern settings as this gives the developers layaway to bring up modern issues and themes that people can actually relate to. In every single Persona game, excluding maybe the mediocre first game, the stories revolve around more than just save the world plots - whether it be murder mystery, or psychology, or stuff modern everyday people deal with.

It's a lot more interesting than the typical FF route and has a lot more thought put it into than the typical jrpg. Then again, SMT games are the only jrpgs stories I like that don't have Matsuno in the credits or Suikoden on the cover.

Notice I can back up my arguments and say why I like things?

Jinfash-kun is delusional.

[MCD]

i don't know about the whole smt/persona series but persona 4 story is nothing big, some sluts get murdered and you, a silent transfer student get your annoying new school mates inner emotional garbage.

he is an annoying cunt who won't shut his mouth, she wants to be a slut, his cock is confused, being a woman is a bother...etc...

sounds like every harem animu. BIG DEAL.

while amazing characters like hope show real tragic emotions and depth never before seen in modern rpgs with amazing facial details and animations.

and that's only one character in this journey.

[MCD]

News: I'm not gonna argue it, because it's a fact.

[SantaC]

FF7>>>>All others!

FF8 and FF9 were both better

[Third]

Although I need to fix your rankings.

6 > 4 = 10 = 9 = 7 = 13 > 5 > 3 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 2

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NO

6 > 7 = 8 >  12 > 9 = 10 > > 4 > 3 > 1 >>>> 13 > 2

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[magus]

FF7>>>>All others!

Wrath wins the thread
and what's with the hippo's?

himu,why it makes any difference that i didn't play FF13? i'm saying that a lot of things you said about FF13 can be applied to persona as well,

What kind of argument is that?

that's the point! what kind of argument is that "BUT I CAN FUSE PERSONA AND TALKS WITH A BORING GUY WHO HAS A CRUSH ON HIS TEACHER!!1!"

Slinks allow you to level certain Personas more. So those story segments equate to more gameplay. That does not dictate what I can and cannot do.

really? those story bits are okay because they force you to grind less for skills that maybe you won't even need? isn't that a bit stupid as a justification?

You have the choice of slinks, fusion, dungeon crawling, and more.

more? more like what?
fusion takes like 5 minutes at best at time,it would be me like using the sphereboard in ffx as justification for his linearity,you can't fuse new stuff if you aren't high level enough and you can't level up if you can't reach the next bit of the tower and you can't reach the next bit of tower if IT'S NOT YET A FULL MOON

sooner or later you will be forced to talk with that frenchman guy

It's a lot more interesting than the typical FF route and has a lot more thought put it into than the typical jrpg.

see? this is what i said! it doesn't matter that the story is good,it just matters that it's not "typical"
i don't accept this bullshit,kenji being a confused dick doesn't make him a good character or persona a good game with a good story

one of these day i expect someone to do a rpg with a talking cactus as the main character and people will talk about it like it's the greatest rpg evah

[Trent Dole]

Blah blah blaaah. I just got to the point where you can pick your party.

[Himu]

But, I think P3/P4's stories are pretty good *and* unique. P3's story is enjoyable with a great cast, but it's missing something. P4's story is one of the better stories in the genre, in my opinion. And I'm usually not one to care about that stuff in these games.

[SantaC]

But, I think P3/P4's stories are pretty good *and* unique. P3's story is enjoyable with a great cast, but it's missing something. P4's story is one of the better stories in the genre, in my opinion. And I'm usually not one to care about that stuff in these games.

atleast I was hooked by P4's story. FF13 on the other hand 

[demi]

And I'm usually not one to care about that stuff in these games.

ok

[TakingBackSunday]

Jesus, I could understand not really enjoying 13 and leaving it at that.  The lengths the himumutards are going for this ardent hatred towards it are laughable.

[Himu]

Jesus, I could understand not really enjoying 13 and leaving it at that.  The lengths the himumutards are going for this ardent hatred towards it are laughable.

I don't even hate it! I just like picking at it!

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I don't even hate it!

I do!

[SantaC]

watch Atlus outclass SE yet again.

[demi]

Yes, I cant wait for the riveting tale of high school drama club

[WrikaWrek]

Chapter 7 has been kinda cool.

[SantaC]

Yes, I cant wait for the riveting tale of high school drama club

that is actually more fun then a walking emulator in dull environment.

[demi]

Sounds like Persona

[Trent Dole]

The primarch fight sure is bullshit. 

[Trent Dole]

First one. I think I can do it after seeing how to counter Destrudo. If not then I can do some more fucking grinding.

[Don Flamenco]

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[demi]

Apt music for a boring game

[TakingBackSunday]

awesome japapop
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Hope has the best theme in the game

[iconoclast]

awesome japapop
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Best song in FF13

[Trent Dole]

I'm installing disc 3 right about now. I think I've gotten near the point where it stops being fun and I see it through so I can buy Mass Effect 2 without feeling guilty about backlog and shit.

[Don Flamenco]

awesome japapop
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smh

[Damian79]

I cant trust anyone here.  FFXII is like the worst FF to date, atleast FF1 and FF2 had something interesting about them.  FFXII has to be the most boring FF to date and has put me off all the new FF's to come.  I cannot even bring myself to but FF13 because of FF12, yet some people here like the game.

[Ichirou]

You just gotta quit playing FF games altogether, dode.  Nothing good can ever come of playing FF games.

[demi]

lol. Damien... just play it. It's good. Well worth the wait.

[naff]

I cant trust anyone here.  FFXII is like the worst FF to date, atleast FF1 and FF2 had something interesting about them.  FFXII has to be the most boring FF to date and has put me off all the new FF's to come.  I cannot even bring myself to but FF13 because of FF12, yet some people here like the game.

Some people here also like FFXII OMG WHATCHA GONA DO!?