Random Gaming Talk Thread

[MMaRsu]

Yeah the bike looked real slow in the open world

[HaughtyFrank]

I'm kind of interested in the story but this is prime Gamepass fodder if I've ever seen it

[Tasty]

Tim Drake

[Polident Hive]

A cutscene clip from one review

Dick “Freeze can make weather now?”

Tim “Freeze can make weather now.”

 

[BIONIC]

A cutscene clip from one review

Dick “Freeze can make weather now?”

Tim “Freeze can make weather now.”

 

Kino 

[bork]

Reviews for Gotham Knights are all over the place.    Almost as divisive as Saints Row.

Yeah- ridiculously all over the place.  It has technical issues, but not insane bugs/glitches, at least.

[Tasty]

A cutscene clip from one review

Dick “Freeze can make weather now?”

Tim “Freeze can make weather now.”

 

They fly now?!

[Pissy F Benny]

Looks pretty good



I still think the character designs are bit too generic tho.

[Nintex]

[Bebpo]

Yeah, sounds pretty mediocre and easy skip. Hopefully Suicide Squad will be better.

[MMaRsu]

[Nintex]

Wonder what happens to the team.

Will they keep them on to make a mediocre sequel until WB Games is finally sold?
Then again releasing shit like this won't do wonders for their valuation.

[MMaRsu]

Im still hyped for the new Rocksteady game, those guys havent made a bad game yet

[Polident Hive]

I was hopeful for this. Bigger fan of Arkham Origins than most. That team, if anybody is left, went though two or three ideas for a follow up? Think a Suicide Squad and then a Batman Beyond future Gotham type with Damien as Batman?

Whatever’s going on over there, Monolith making Wonder Woman is cool. Expecting Shadow of Mordor with a different theme. Rocksteady doing Suicide Squad? Not clear on what type of game that’ll be. Keeping an open mind.

[Nintex]

 

[Pissy F Benny]

It will be coop live service with a helping microtransactions and season passes

[Nintex]

Resident Evil 4 

[mormapope]

That's a fucking remake right there. I suggest watching the extended gameplay trailer. The shotgun is sexy as fuck

 

[Nintex]

I can save them

[demi]

They nailed RE4, RE3 remains dogshit lul

[Svejk]

Konami: “Radies and Gentlemen, after rong wait, SIRENT HIRR!”

Capcom: “Hold my beer…”

[Pissy F Benny]

I take it Sony ditched their direct thing that would have blown their case against MS and Activision then

[chronovore]

My guess is this has to do with A) Japanese companies salaries are waaaaay less in general, B) Voice actors in Japan unless you're the biggest A-listers don't get paid that much, and C) Good ole' Japanese xenophobia, i.e. I wouldn't be surprised if they pay non-Japanese voice actors in Japanese games less than they pay native Japanese voice actors who are at the same tier in popularity.

Also I'm assuming this is a situation where it's the Japan devs hiring and not the USA localization branch since afaik Bayonetta is like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil where the games are primarily in English VA in the Japanese version (I don't think Bayo 1 even had a JP dub).

If the VO is handled by a western localization company i.e. Nintendo of America or something, then that lowball is so insane I don't see how it's even possible.

I've only handled VO for a couple of Japanese developed titles. In the US, voice actors have a guild or equivalent which demands a particular wage  minimum, active hours, number of breaks, etc. Many of the foreign-to-Japan voice actors we hired in Japan to record were VERY well versed on all the things they weren't benefiting from in Japan.

It's unclear to me from where she is making her stand. If she's in the UK or US, this must seem absolutely abhorrent and unthinkable.

There are rumors that there were significantly higher offers than the $4K mentioned here. If that was their initial offer, that's insulting, but it's also business.

I dunno. It's a bad look to out the negotiation numbers publicly. Any other company looking at her now knows she is willing to do this. Seems like burning several bridges in front of her, not just the one behind her.

[bork]

My guess is this has to do with A) Japanese companies salaries are waaaaay less in general, B) Voice actors in Japan unless you're the biggest A-listers don't get paid that much, and C) Good ole' Japanese xenophobia, i.e. I wouldn't be surprised if they pay non-Japanese voice actors in Japanese games less than they pay native Japanese voice actors who are at the same tier in popularity.

Also I'm assuming this is a situation where it's the Japan devs hiring and not the USA localization branch since afaik Bayonetta is like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil where the games are primarily in English VA in the Japanese version (I don't think Bayo 1 even had a JP dub).

If the VO is handled by a western localization company i.e. Nintendo of America or something, then that lowball is so insane I don't see how it's even possible.

I've only handled VO for a couple of Japanese developed titles. In the US, voice actors have a guild or equivalent which demands a particular wage  minimum, active hours, number of breaks, etc. Many of the foreign-to-Japan voice actors we hired in Japan to record were VERY well versed on all the things they weren't benefiting from in Japan.

It's unclear to me from where she is making her stand. If she's in the UK or US, this must seem absolutely abhorrent and unthinkable.

There are rumors that there were significantly higher offers than the $4K mentioned here. If that was their initial offer, that's insulting, but it's also business.

I dunno. It's a bad look to out the negotiation numbers publicly. Any other company looking at her now knows she is willing to do this. Seems like burning several bridges in front of her, not just the one behind her.

A lot more came out about this- she was lying.  She was offered $4,000 per day, IIRC, so it would have been something like $15,000+, plus residuals, for a few days of work.  This was also more than she was offered when she did Bayonetta 2's VA work.

[Bebpo]

My guess is this has to do with A) Japanese companies salaries are waaaaay less in general, B) Voice actors in Japan unless you're the biggest A-listers don't get paid that much, and C) Good ole' Japanese xenophobia, i.e. I wouldn't be surprised if they pay non-Japanese voice actors in Japanese games less than they pay native Japanese voice actors who are at the same tier in popularity.

Also I'm assuming this is a situation where it's the Japan devs hiring and not the USA localization branch since afaik Bayonetta is like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil where the games are primarily in English VA in the Japanese version (I don't think Bayo 1 even had a JP dub).

If the VO is handled by a western localization company i.e. Nintendo of America or something, then that lowball is so insane I don't see how it's even possible.

I've only handled VO for a couple of Japanese developed titles. In the US, voice actors have a guild or equivalent which demands a particular wage  minimum, active hours, number of breaks, etc. Many of the foreign-to-Japan voice actors we hired in Japan to record were VERY well versed on all the things they weren't benefiting from in Japan.

It's unclear to me from where she is making her stand. If she's in the UK or US, this must seem absolutely abhorrent and unthinkable.

There are rumors that there were significantly higher offers than the $4K mentioned here. If that was their initial offer, that's insulting, but it's also business.

I dunno. It's a bad look to out the negotiation numbers publicly. Any other company looking at her now knows she is willing to do this. Seems like burning several bridges in front of her, not just the one behind her.

A lot more came out about this- she was lying.  She was offered $4,000 per day, IIRC, so it would have been something like $15,000+, plus residuals, for a few days of work.  This was also more than she was offered when she did Bayonetta 2's VA work.

Was this actually confirmed though? Because it sounds just as incredulous as their $4k offer in the original story that she would lose her job and destroy her career over not earning $4k/day which apparently is top salary for union rate for VA.

Both stories don't make much sense.

[Polident Hive]

Reporting seems muddled. If anything, think it “blew up” due to an ongoing theme of voice actors disrespect. Some shit about Pratt voicing Mario. Darth Vader’s new voice being an AI. All bundled together into resentment of how they were treated.

Not related to that but VAs in Japan. Learned Donna Burke, who did those MGS songs, is the announcement voice in shinkansens. Guess you gonna be a jack of all trades in that market.

[bork]

My guess is this has to do with A) Japanese companies salaries are waaaaay less in general, B) Voice actors in Japan unless you're the biggest A-listers don't get paid that much, and C) Good ole' Japanese xenophobia, i.e. I wouldn't be surprised if they pay non-Japanese voice actors in Japanese games less than they pay native Japanese voice actors who are at the same tier in popularity.

Also I'm assuming this is a situation where it's the Japan devs hiring and not the USA localization branch since afaik Bayonetta is like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil where the games are primarily in English VA in the Japanese version (I don't think Bayo 1 even had a JP dub).

If the VO is handled by a western localization company i.e. Nintendo of America or something, then that lowball is so insane I don't see how it's even possible.

I've only handled VO for a couple of Japanese developed titles. In the US, voice actors have a guild or equivalent which demands a particular wage  minimum, active hours, number of breaks, etc. Many of the foreign-to-Japan voice actors we hired in Japan to record were VERY well versed on all the things they weren't benefiting from in Japan.

It's unclear to me from where she is making her stand. If she's in the UK or US, this must seem absolutely abhorrent and unthinkable.

There are rumors that there were significantly higher offers than the $4K mentioned here. If that was their initial offer, that's insulting, but it's also business.

I dunno. It's a bad look to out the negotiation numbers publicly. Any other company looking at her now knows she is willing to do this. Seems like burning several bridges in front of her, not just the one behind her.

A lot more came out about this- she was lying.  She was offered $4,000 per day, IIRC, so it would have been something like $15,000+, plus residuals, for a few days of work.  This was also more than she was offered when she did Bayonetta 2's VA work.

Was this actually confirmed though? Because it sounds just as incredulous as their $4k offer in the original story that she would lose her job and destroy her career over not earning $4k/day which apparently is top salary for union rate for VA.

Both stories don't make much sense.

Schreier says he spoke with unnamed trusted sources and was shown documents to back up their claims.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1582453689679499264

Also:

https://twitter.com/AndyPlaytonic/status/1582450001141108737
https://twitter.com/AndyPlaytonic/status/1582450927407333376
https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1582442927653294082

[bork]

Picked up Gotham Knights on Steam.  Got the deluxe version discounted.  Probably didn't need the deluxe content, but those beyond suits are nice.

Have tried it on two platforms so far:

Steam Deck:
-The game runs with a proton experimental update that downloads when you install.  Change compatibility and it works.
-I limited the screen to 40hz and FPS to 40.  The game defaulted to pretty much all low settings.  Was initially getting 34-40 fps, but once I got outside, it started dipping and was generally around 27-34 fps.  Still felt pretty playable.
-Got on the bike and started driving around.  Framerate tanked and went into the teens.  Felt really bad.
-The game crashed when a real-time cut scene triggered about an hour in.

Desktop PC:
-For reference, this is a 'monster' gaming machine with a 3080, 64 GB of ram, etc.  Can handle everything thrown at on the highest settings.  Have it hooked up to an LG C1 for 4K 120hz gaming.
-Put everything at max settings at 4K with DLSS on performance- the game stuttered and chugged like mad as soon as I stepped outside into the city map.  Felt absolutely unplayable.
-Turned off raytracing and everything was buttery smooth. 
-Tried turning raytracing back on and limited FPS to 60- still stuttered like mad.
-Turned down the max FPS to 30 with raytracing on and it felt much more playable, but I'd prefer to have the smoother framerate with raytracing off if that's the main issue right now.

I need to enable the Steam FPS counter to check, but while it's not consistent, it's got to be staying at well above 60 FPS with raytracing off.  Doesn't feel like it's dipping any lower than that.

No idea if a day one patch of any kind was added before this released, but if not, I question why seemingly none of the people who got early PC review copies didn't try messing with the settings more.  Also saw one person on the Steam discussion group say that forcing the game to run in DX11 mode improves performance a lot as well.

[Tasty]

Nice, I'm on Steam Beta with Proton Experimental. Might try this out when it hits $20.

[Coax]

Desktop PC:
-For reference, this is a 'monster' gaming machine with a 3080, 64 GB of ram, etc.  Can handle everything thrown at on the highest settings.  Have it hooked up to an LG C1 for 4K 120hz gaming.
-Put everything at max settings at 4K with DLSS on performance- the game stuttered and chugged like mad as soon as I stepped outside into the city map.  Felt absolutely unplayable.

-Turned down the max FPS to 30 with raytracing on and it felt much more playable, but I'd prefer to have the smoother framerate with raytracing off if that's the main issue right now.

If it's anything like Cyberpunk it too struggles with RT on to maintain 60fps at higher resolutions/settings, even on a 3080 with DLSS. Though idk about this game, maybe it just has unpatched issues.

[bork]

[MMaRsu]

Looks like saints row 2.0 

[HardcoreRetro]

Looks like you're better off just giving any of the Arkham games or Spider-Man a replay.

I personally really liked Avalanche's Mad Max as well. Could just play that instead as well if you missed out on it. Or one of the two Mordor games. Those have the same combat system as the Batman games.

[bork]

Looks like saints row 2.0 

I still haven't played that, but based on videos, no- it's a solid game.  I played for another four hours last night and didn't run into any problems.  It feels like an Arkham game to me.  Where I think that will change is when the game opens up more and gets more grindy.

[MMaRsu]

Looks like saints row 2.0 

I still haven't played that, but based on videos, no- it's a solid game.  I played for another four hours last night and didn't run into any problems.  It feels like an Arkham game to me.  Where I think that will change is when the game opens up more and gets more grindy.

Hmm well it looks kinda mediocre to me if Im beeing honest, especially compared to a 7 year old Arkham Knight



But it might be fun to get if it's like 15 euro gold edition :shrug

[MMaRsu]

[Coax]

What the fuck have they done to James

https://twitter.com/MalkyDungeon/status/1582856712255852544

[HardcoreRetro]

bloober dun bloobed

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He is sad because he killed his wife, DO. YOU. GET IT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Your comment is literally this trailer. It's great to see they haven't grown at all from their first horror project on. This trailer has been an in-joke between friends because of how awful it is.

DO YOU SEE IT NOW! DO YOU SEE IT LIKE I DO!

[Nintex]

Is it me or is Xbox falling behind PlayStation again.

Microsoft seems to run on auto-pilot while they wait for the Actvision deal to close. I'm not seeing any ads for Xbox anywhere and more third party games are skipping Xbox.
Meanwhile a bunch of third party games like Saints Row and Gotham Knights aren't reviewing well making exclusives like God of War more important.

Microsoft did a away with buying exclusivity for third party games and instead invested in first party studios that seemingly have 0 output.

A strange year for 4k gaming overall, there was Elden Ring and now Call of Duty is coming up.
The holiday line-up is bare bones.

On the Switch side of things just a neverending avalanche of RPG's 

[Pissy F Benny]

I think MS had their eggs in the Starfield basket this xmas, which is funny because no one remotely sane thought it was ever gonna release this year, like Sony did with God of War (zzzz I'll wait for it to come soypass in 2027).

Idk maybe they were hoping the new Forza would make it for this christmas too

Oh and wasn't they all going in on stalker as a big release, but the war in Ukraine fucked that one for them?

EDIT: also it might just be me, but the Game pass games the last 6 months or so have been pretty wack imo, nothing much that interests me, persona 5 royale is cool and all but I already got it on PS ages ago and have little desire to play it again.

[Nintex]

The Persona 5 R thunder has been completely taken away by the Switch and Steamdeck because playing it portable is a much bigger deal for the target audience than playing it through GamePass.

[HaughtyFrank]

The Persona 5 R thunder has been completely taken away by the Switch and Steamdeck because playing it portable is a much bigger deal for the target audience than playing it through GamePass.

I think Spencer noticed that as well which is why he's been retweeting people playing it through the cloud feature

https://twitter.com/JezCorden/status/1583345783826309121

It's also fun to play on the xbox though, it's one of those games that makes you value the quick resume feature because it's so easy to jump in and out.

[bork]

Tweets from a former Platinum Games dev.  His account is currently protected so I can't post the direct links:

It's funny how quick people are to feel right with a group and how slow they are to say they were wrong.

As disappointed as I was last week.

I’m especially disappointed with so many so called leaders in this industry retweeting and/or tweeting platitudes without context to look good on twitter. Next time y’all face harassment, do you want people to speak up for you or just use a retweet button?

The way the VA industry rallied around Jennifer Hale was what should happen.

Where was that for the Bayonetta team? You know, the hundred plus folks who had nothing to do with voice acting or Kamiya’s twitter. Where is that now? They didn’t deserve any of that. At all.

One last tweet and then I hope to never talk about this ever again.

How many people just flat retweeted the videos from last week, but when today’s news came out, had all sorts of commentary/hedging to go with it? It’s like people are addicted to the feeling of being right.

Platinum's statement:

https://twitter.com/platinumgames/status/1583302996749787137

[mormapope]

Is it me or is Xbox falling behind PlayStation again.

Microsoft seems to run on auto-pilot while they wait for the Actvision deal to close. I'm not seeing any ads for Xbox anywhere and more third party games are skipping Xbox.
Meanwhile a bunch of third party games like Saints Row and Gotham Knights aren't reviewing well making exclusives like God of War more important.

Microsoft did a away with buying exclusivity for third party games and instead invested in first party studios that seemingly have 0 output.

A strange year for 4k gaming overall, there was Elden Ring and now Call of Duty is coming up.
The holiday line-up is bare bones.

On the Switch side of things just a neverending avalanche of RPG's 

Gaming discussion with forums or websites in general has cratered. Trying to determine momentum from online discussion is next to impossible nowadays.

Call of Duty/Pokemon is barely talked about in a lot of places, but they'll absolutely be the biggest games this year. Based on online talk alone, I wouldn't have thought Elden Ring did as well as it did.

[Rahxephon91]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Elden Ring was constantly talked about online via Twitter, YouTube, and video game forums with hundreds of pages about its release and any snippet of it on Reddit and even forums like Resetera.

The beta for MW2 generated plenty of YouTube videos and the same.

Pokemon is a Nintendo franchisee and has huge online communities dedicated to it and is also talked about online tons via Reddit and places like Ree. Elden Ring is on page 339 for it’s 3rd OT.

Online forum discussion is not the absolute barometer, but it’s not impossible to gauge some level of hype.

I don’t know what online major gaming communities you go to that aren’t talking about the biggest games are. Maybe the bore? The MW2 beta thread is 59 pages on resetera.

[Uncle]

yeah it's really easy to end up in a bubble, where the spaces you used to use as a barometer for excitement or discussion are no longer the place to be

there are random discords with tens of thousands of members for pokemon or call of duty or elden ring which obviously doesn't show up on google or traditional social media

entire worlds that go un-noticed, controversies flare up and the pokemon discord gets a splinter discord made and half the users flock to the new one and then that one splinters too, and those who aren't wasting all their time following the middle school drama are blissfully unaware

tiktok is thriving and I'm an old man yelling at clouds who refuses to use it

[mormapope]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Elden Ring was constantly talked about online via Twitter, YouTube, and video game forums with hundreds of pages about its release and any snippet of it on Reddit and even forums like Resetera.

The beta for MW2 generated plenty of YouTube videos and the same.

Pokemon is a Nintendo franchisee and has huge online communities dedicated to it and is also talked about online tons via Reddit and places like Ree. Elden Ring is on page 339 for it’s 3rd OT.

Online forum discussion is not the absolute barometer, but it’s not impossible to gauge some level of hype.

I don’t know what online major gaming communities you go to that aren’t talking about the biggest games are. Maybe the bore? The MW2 beta thread is 59 pages on resetera.

The first voice actress outrage thread generated more posts than the entirety of MW2's thread. That's an indication of where discussion has gone.

Why is your shtick being antagonistic with everything I post on gaming side here? You ride my nuts hardcore, looking to scalp me for random shit constantly.

[bork]

yeah it's really easy to end up in a bubble, where the spaces you used to use as a barometer for excitement or discussion are no longer the place to be

there are random discords with tens of thousands of members for pokemon or call of duty or elden ring which obviously doesn't show up on google or traditional social media

entire worlds that go un-noticed, controversies flare up and the pokemon discord gets a splinter discord made and half the users flock to the new one and then that one splinters too, and those who aren't wasting all their time following the middle school drama are blissfully unaware

tiktok is thriving and I'm an old man yelling at clouds who refuses to use it

I just posted pretty much what you said without realizing it.  We're all old fossils on here and the young people are out a-tik-toking.

[Rahxephon91]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Elden Ring was constantly talked about online via Twitter, YouTube, and video game forums with hundreds of pages about its release and any snippet of it on Reddit and even forums like Resetera.

The beta for MW2 generated plenty of YouTube videos and the same.

Pokemon is a Nintendo franchisee and has huge online communities dedicated to it and is also talked about online tons via Reddit and places like Ree. Elden Ring is on page 339 for it’s 3rd OT.

Online forum discussion is not the absolute barometer, but it’s not impossible to gauge some level of hype.

I don’t know what online major gaming communities you go to that aren’t talking about the biggest games are. Maybe the bore? The MW2 beta thread is 59 pages on resetera.

The first voice actress outrage thread generated more posts than the entirety of MW2's thread. That's an indication of where discussion has gone.

Why is your shtick being antagonistic with everything I post on gaming side here? You ride my nuts hardcore, looking to scalp me for random shit constantly.

Yeah enthusiasts gamers care about things that normal people wouldn't care about... But again it's not like the actual popular games don't get plenty of attention.

Not sure how anyone reading these forums couldn't tell that Pokemon with its rumor thread at 1 million plus views or Elden Ring that had multiple threads take over the front pages are big and popular.

As for your other comment. Sorry you feel that way.

[benjipwns]

Tweets from a former Platinum Games dev.  His account is currently protected so I can't post the direct links:

It's funny how quick people are to feel right with a group and how slow they are to say they were wrong.

As disappointed as I was last week.

I’m especially disappointed with so many so called leaders in this industry retweeting and/or tweeting platitudes without context to look good on twitter. Next time y’all face harassment, do you want people to speak up for you or just use a retweet button?

The way the VA industry rallied around Jennifer Hale was what should happen.

Where was that for the Bayonetta team? You know, the hundred plus folks who had nothing to do with voice acting or Kamiya’s twitter. Where is that now? They didn’t deserve any of that. At all.

One last tweet and then I hope to never talk about this ever again.

How many people just flat retweeted the videos from last week, but when today’s news came out, had all sorts of commentary/hedging to go with it? It’s like people are addicted to the feeling of being right.

So this guy wants us to make marginalized people die rather than stand up for them and defend their rights when they're under direct violent attack? It's like, he's a game dev, but he's not grateful for all these people who dropped everything to stand up and bravely fight for an end to the very force, capitalism, that oppresses and enslaves him? No matter how much this collaborationist stooge whines, people on Twitter are not going to stop doing direct action against oppressive forces like himself who choose to work with fascists who make living on this hellscape so exhausting instead of what it could so easily be if people simply listened and did better. I hope he's locked because this vicious hateful right-wing attack on the people has led him to get truth spoken to his power. Talk shit, get hit. Maybe next time he'll think better about issuing death threats against the subaltern in public like this.

[MMaRsu]

Lol 😂

[HardcoreRetro]

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1584479145274527744

[Nintex]

Gaming discussion with forums or websites in general has cratered. Trying to determine momentum from online discussion is next to impossible nowadays.

Call of Duty/Pokemon is barely talked about in a lot of places, but they'll absolutely be the biggest games this year. Based on online talk alone, I wouldn't have thought Elden Ring did as well as it did.

Elden Ring picked up steam shortly after release. There wasn't much else going on and everyone who was on the fence bought it because the first players confirmed that: yes, it was that good.
Other games mostly had the buzz I expected them to have. Except for Saints Row and Gotham Knights which just cratered because they are so bad. And Cyberpunk 2077, which on the other side of that fence with a stunning comeback.

[Svejk]

So supposedly...

Actual possible spoilers for God of War 2 and Bayo 3

Both Kratos and Bayonetta die at the end of their new games? 
Not 100% confirmed, but there are some Bayo 3 reviews that hint at it.  Also, although it was more or less confirmed (or prophosized) in GOW twenty eighteeeen that he was gonna die, but with Atreus and his new "love interest", it's clear the route they're pushing GOW.  Whatever.  But if they kill off Bayonetta, that's just about the dumbest thing for such a witty, flashy action game.

Edit: Wow .. for Bayo, that's not the case.  Journos are the worst how sad and pathetic they are... They're literally butthurt that Bayo had a love interest and a child.    What is the matter with people?? ..And Why do I get suckered into reading such nonsense?   

[close]

[Joe Molotov]

Huge if not true.

[james]

I new the Bayo lady was a scam.

Imagine trying to convince people that Nintendo was wrong

 

[clothedmacuser]

[Pissy F Benny]

Oooooh this game is gonna fully become the next culture wars ting then 

Hot prediction: either side of the arguement will be way overblown

[Nintex]

Guess I'll pick up Bayonetta 3 from the bargain bin after the culture war 

[Nintex]

It's pretty funny to watch everyone praise Arkham Knight after Gotham Knights released.

When Arkham Knight came out it was considered a bit of a dissapointment because people had much higher expectations of PS4/Xbox One games than just 'prettier PS3' games, the driving was considered a gimmick, the PC version was broken and it had no boss battles like the previous games. I'm also seeing the same thing with Assassins Creed Unity and a bunch of other PS4/Xbox One era games.