Random talk thread: It just keeps happening

[Phoenix Dark]

We've got a bit of ice but still only 2-3 inches. Only bad thing is that it's super fucking cold.

[Himu]

It must be hard goin cold turkey. I'd suggest Sceneman do it in incremental steps, but the may go against what he learns from AA meetings.

[Madrun Badrun]

Man amazon.com is soooo much better than .ca. 

[The Sceneman]

A year or so ago I incorporated a couple months of no drinking into my training program because I wanted the best results possible in a short amount of time. I remember this being very difficult for me because it effectively killed my social life. I would be invited out to the bars but I would only drink soda water. Eventually, I didn't want to go out anymore. It's a very tough transition. I wish you the best of luck.

Training lately really motivated me to drink less when I'm going out. It's just so frustrating to loose training effect or not reaching the results because you are to wasted due to drinking. Since I started going to the gym, I did not stop to drink when I go to parties but I reduced it often to a amount that allowed me to do some proper sport shortly afterwards. I actually was fed up for quite some time with being so tired after drinking, but only the training motivated me to do something about it.

scratch that, I just cracked and broke down this is one of the hardest things I have ever done

Ah damn. It's really tough. Like Himuro asked, why do you feel the need to drinking? Because you feel you are boring without alcohol or because you aren't interested in socializing without it? Most of the time the drinking is a symptom of some other problems (duh) and it's difficult to reduce the drinking without dealing with the underlying problems.

Why is the drinking such a problem? Because you do it so often/heavy? I don't want to condone drinking but maybe pressurizing yourself too much will actually make it worse.

Don't judge yourself too much because you couldn't stop yourself from drinking today, that won't help anybody.

Well to answer you and and Himuro, I'm not 100% sure why I like to drink. Socially, I'm fine without booze. I'm a little bit shy around people I've just met, but I can generally be relaxed after talking for a few minutes. I mainly like the taste of booze, and I like what it does to my brain (slows down thoughts/numbs the brain etc.). Also makes Youtube and music way better.

My main problem is not being able to moderate myself most of the time. Once I've had one drink I'll end up having twelve. And yeah I have some intense issues with depression, lack of self worth, and my lack of a female companion. Didnt have the best childhood and I had real bad back injury when I was 19, so my head is pretty crazy. I have quite an obsessive personality too, so this may mean something I dunno.

I'm doing well though, my skin is already way better as a result, and I've participated in about 5 social occasions where I would have normally drank (techno gig at a nightclub, bbq, weed-n-movie night, party....) and I havent had a drop to drink.

[Himu]

If moderation is the issue it'll be much harder, but I still don't think you should go flat out cold turkey like that given the panic attacks you're experiencing but maybe that's not wise?

[Mupepe]

Maybe if he's having panic attacks an internet forum isn't the place to seek advice.  You should be working with a professional when quitting involves risk to your health. 

Good job on passing up the booze though.  And from my personal experience I think Himuro is way off base.  "Having a little drink" for an alcoholic is not the same as a normal person.  Generally the rule is that it's damn near impossible. 

These are the kinds of things you should be talking about with a professional or in a group therapy session.  Getting advice from people who don't know what it's really like is probably not the best idea if you want a sustained recovery.

I know I kinda contradicted myself by offering my bit of advice but in the end this is something you should be doing with others that have experience doing it.  Any advice we give will probably hurt more than help if you have a serious problem.  Best of luck dude.  I really hope you're able to kick it.  I watched my Dad struggle with it my whole life.  The longest he ever stayed sober was about a year and it was through a combination of therapy and medication for underlying mental illnesses.  He relapsed when he decided he didn't need therapy    It was really sad. 

Every male on my father's side of the family (including my brother) have been raging alcoholics.  I'd like to be the one who stops that trend.

Edit: And I'm not trying to be high and mighty about drinking.  I fucking love alcohol and being drunk.  But I'd like my son to have a father who's not a drunk and to also not turn into one himself.

[Himu]

I definitely don't think this environment is the best for sceneman to help solve his problems and I'm sorry if anything I've said will cause you harm in the future.

[Mupepe]

I don't think you said anything particularly harmful, Himu.  As well intentioned as we all might be we don't know what he needs.

For example, my father in law is an alcoholic.  A couple of months ago he got picked for a DUI after he ran into a light pole.  The family made a big deal about it but I don't think they understand.  They want him to stop being an alcoholic, not to stop drinking.  He got drunk on Saturday night and they thought it was funny because he apparently he was shitfaced from not having done it in so long.  I've tried telling them he needs therapy of some sort but they don't care until he hurts the family again and then they're all going to look at him like he should have known better.  They should have too.  He needs support and he needs them to be strict, especially if he doesn't want to stop drinking.  He stopped because he thought it's what they wanted, not because he thought there was something wrong with his addiction so he's going to continue to spiral down.  I said my part to them and last time I was up at 3am on a weekday bailing his ass out of jail.  I'm ignoring the phone call next time.  Until the rest of the family is able to work together to help him kick his problem then there's no point. 

Edit: My dad's swift kick in the ass from his drinking problem came when he ran into a parked truck going over 90 mph in the middle of the day and spent over 3 months in intensive care.

[Himu]

That feeling you get when your friend's mother died but can't go and see him to wish him and his family well because you're sick as a dog. It makes me feel like a horrible friend and person to not be there for him.

[Himu]

I don't think you said anything particularly harmful, Himu.  As well intentioned as we all might be we don't know what he needs.

For example, my father in law is an alcoholic.  A couple of months ago he got picked for a DUI after he ran into a light pole.  The family made a big deal about it but I don't think they understand.  They want him to stop being an alcoholic, not to stop drinking.  He got drunk on Saturday night and they thought it was funny because he apparently he was shitfaced from not having done it in so long.  I've tried telling them he needs therapy of some sort but they don't care until he hurts the family again and then they're all going to look at him like he should have known better.  They should have too.  He needs support and he needs them to be strict, especially if he doesn't want to stop drinking.  He stopped because he thought it's what they wanted, not because he thought there was something wrong with his addiction so he's going to continue to spiral down.  I said my part to them and last time I was up at 3am on a weekday bailing his ass out of jail.  I'm ignoring the phone call next time.  Until the rest of the family is able to work together to help him kick his problem then there's no point. 

Edit: My dad's swift kick in the ass from his drinking problem came when he ran into a parked truck going over 90 mph in the middle of the day and spent over 3 months in intensive care.

Jeez. Wish all the luck there. 

[demi]

Lack of female companion is never a legit reason to get depressed. Life is better without one.

[FlameofCallandorReturns]

Lack of female companion is never a legit reason to get depressed. Life is better without one.

The best part is that while you are enjoying life without one, suddenly girls are all over you because of how awesome you are.

Lesson:
Enjoying yourself without a woman -> more woman
Self pity because of a lack of woman -> lack of women

[Mupepe]

That feeling you get when your friend's mother died but can't go and see him to wish him and his family well because you're sick as a dog. It makes me feel like a horrible friend and person to not be there for him.

That sucks   But I'm sure he understands

[demi]

Lack of female companion is never a legit reason to get depressed. Life is better without one.

The best part is that while you are enjoying life without one, suddenly girls are all over you because of how awesome you are.

Lesson:
Enjoying yourself without a woman -> more woman
Self pity because of a lack of woman -> lack of women

It's because they are attracted to your confidence, which is the effect of not being burdened by a soul sucking attachment.

Women are a placebo

[Phoenix Dark]

Lack of female companion is never a legit reason to get depressed. Life is better without one.

The best part is that while you are enjoying life without one, suddenly girls are all over you because of how awesome you are.

Lesson:
Enjoying yourself without a woman -> more woman
Self pity because of a lack of woman -> lack of women

this is 100% true, and why Dating-GAF/Thirsty-GAF fails

[FlameofCallandorReturns]

Lack of female companion is never a legit reason to get depressed. Life is better without one.

The best part is that while you are enjoying life without one, suddenly girls are all over you because of how awesome you are.

Lesson:
Enjoying yourself without a woman -> more woman
Self pity because of a lack of woman -> lack of women

this is 100% true, and why Dating-GAF/Thirsty-GAF fails

It's a lesson you really have to learn for yourself.

[Himu]

what in the fuck is thirsty-gaf

[Phoenix Dark]

what in the fuck is thirsty-gaf

Thirsy
   
DESPERATE. wanting or needing.

"You're thirsty for some pussy ain't you?" or "GET YO THIRSTY ASS!"

In short, the desperate Date-GAF members who made their presence known in the January pic thread, simping on the various female posters, and ultimately creating an onslaught of dating threads in an attempt to prove how compatible they were with Girls On The Internet

[Broseidon]

I think it's a Black thing.

I never heard "thirsty" until I looked in the BlackGAF thread a while ago.

[Mupepe]

Broseidon, Himumu is black FYI.

[Himu]

I know what thirsty means but never heard of "thirsty-gaf"

[Himu]

what in the fuck is thirsty-gaf

Thirsy
   
DESPERATE. wanting or needing.

"You're thirsty for some pussy ain't you?" or "GET YO THIRSTY ASS!"

In short, the desperate Date-GAF members who made their presence known in the January pic thread, simping on the various female posters, and ultimately creating an onslaught of dating threads in an attempt to prove how compatible they were with Girls On The Internet

nicca you ask for pics of everyone's gf

and you talking about simps

[Phoenix Dark]

what in the fuck is thirsty-gaf

Thirsy
   
DESPERATE. wanting or needing.

"You're thirsty for some pussy ain't you?" or "GET YO THIRSTY ASS!"

In short, the desperate Date-GAF members who made their presence known in the January pic thread, simping on the various female posters, and ultimately creating an onslaught of dating threads in an attempt to prove how compatible they were with Girls On The Internet

nicca you ask for pics of everyone's gf

and you talking about simps

Asking for pics does not make you thirsty. Even when I didn't have a gf I wasn't on GAF boohooing or hitting on female GAFers. Thirsty-GAF is desperate for attention/relationships, especially with other GAFers.

[Himu]

Every dude was a simp at one point.

The distinction is knowing when to get out of that mind set and just doing your own thing.

[Broseidon]

Broseidon, Himumu is black FYI.

I know. It was more me thinking aloud.

Or whatever it is you do on a text forum.

[rodi]

I sold my roommate a shitty router for $120... First scam I've ever done in my life, and if she hadn't given all her friends my internet password behind my back, and mooched off me since she got here about six months ago, I would maybe feel bad about it.

But I don't. Instead, I feel rich $$$

[Broseidon]

Just got scheduled for a job interview next week. Ballin.

[Joe Molotov]

I sold my roommate a shitty router for $120... First scam I've ever done in my life, and if she hadn't given all her friends my internet password behind my back, and mooched off me since she got here about six months ago, I would maybe feel bad about it.

But I don't. Instead, I feel rich $$$

Like a boss.

[fistfulofmetal]

we can wear jeans every day to work now 

[The Sceneman]

Just got scheduled for a job interview next week. Ballin.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

My work owes me about $5000 post tax that they're dragging their feet on paying me.  I guess I don't get it, like they assume that if they drag it out long enough, I'm just going to forget about it.

[Inspector Thatcher]

My work owes me about $5000 post tax that they're dragging their feet on paying me.  I guess I don't get it, like they assume that if they drag it out long enough, I'm just going to forget about it.

Depending on where you live there are departments and ministries of Labo(u)r that have little guides you can use to emphatically remind your employers that they are legally required to pay you what you have been promised as specified in a contract or other letter of employment.

My experience suggests that these tools are fairly effective at lighting proverbial sub-ass fires.

[Cormacaroni]

God knows I like a drink as much as the next stereotypical Irishman but I drink a hell of a lot less since I started training and fixing my diet. A night of drinking equals a shitty night's sleep and a day of misery at work for me, so I rarely have more than a couple of glasses of wine these days. It is almost impossible to work out consistently if you drink heavily (certainly if you do so early in the morning). So I have plenty of reasons to stay away from it. Filling your time with things that are incompatible with drinking (working out is one but fatherhood, a steady job, a relationship with a non-drinker also spring to mind) sure seems the way to go.

I can see from Sceneman's gaming history that he has a will of iron in that arena...it may seem daft to a non-gamer but I think someone who can 1000 every game out there can quit drinking.

[Inspector Thatcher]

It is almost impossible to work out consistently if you drink heavily (certainly if you do so early in the morning).

Yeah, I would imagine that working out consistently would be jeopardized by early-morning drinking binges.  Those treadmills are unforgiving enough as it is; add inebriation and it's just a recipe for concussions.

[demi]

First scam I've ever done in my life

Not even all those guys you manhandled even though you chewed oyster on the sly?

[The Sceneman]

God knows I like a drink as much as the next stereotypical Irishman but I drink a hell of a lot less since I started training and fixing my diet. A night of drinking equals a shitty night's sleep and a day of misery at work for me, so I rarely have more than a couple of glasses of wine these days. It is almost impossible to work out consistently if you drink heavily (certainly if you do so early in the morning). So I have plenty of reasons to stay away from it. Filling your time with things that are incompatible with drinking (working out is one but fatherhood, a steady job, a relationship with a non-drinker also spring to mind) sure seems the way to go.

I can see from Sceneman's gaming history that he has a will of iron in that arena...it may seem daft to a non-gamer but I think someone who can 1000 every game out there can quit drinking.

thanks for the vote of confidence. I can't 1000 every game unfortunately, I didn't 1000 Vanquish because my balls were not big enough to handle the challenge maps  Still, I dare anyone out there to try and get 200/200 in Bionic Commando Rearmed. You can't do it

I think I'm over the worst of it now. I don't want a drink atm, which feels good.

[Himu]

Treat not drinking like the ultimate achivement, but instead of gamerscore you get life points.

[Bebpo]

I've decided that I'm going to take a break from spending my life outside work playing videogames and watching anime and stuff.  Instead after work each evening I'll head out into the world and do stuff and spending the evening at bars.

It's like going to another country, it should give a new perspective on life and expand my horizons.

[Cormacaroni]

Bebpo and Sceneman - ships that pass in the night

[Bebpo]

Now we just need to switch countries.  Sceneman, any interest in home swapping for a bit?

[FlameofCallandorReturns]

Texas has girls in cowboy boots and skirts. 

[Himu]

HOME SWEET HOME

[T234]

Now we just need to switch countries.  Sceneman, any interest in home swapping for a bit?

You should switch with me, my life has plenty of drink, Schedule I AND II fun, and socializing!

[chronovore]

I, too, would like to home (apartment) swap with Sceneman. I've been meaning to do some scouting in Wellington as I've been entertaining the thought of looking for work there. Any interest in Oklahoma City, Sceneman? Cowboys, Indians, deep fried American food, and blond-headed country girls do anything for you?

Pale, blonde, dumpy young women with dough-like thighs? Sceneman will be on the next flight!

[Bebpo]

Mid-west people are pretty friendly and good looking from what I can tell.  Less smog/stress, more fields/getting high seems like it helps.

[chronovore]

Dayum, I don't know if Scenester will be into that, but I'm feeling like maybe I missed out!

[BlueTsunami]

Just got my new hand-me down PC and damn this shit is blazing compared to my POS former system. 6GB RAM hnnngggggg. Also the Intel i3 may be low end now-adays but fuck is it ridiculously faster than my former CPU. Walking on sunshine motherfuckers.

[Van Cruncheon]

You've obviously never seen Oklahoma girls. I feel sorry for you. There's a reason I never moved back home to DC after being stationed in Oklahoma.

i spent seven years in oklahoma and CORN FED is probably the kindest euphemism for the ones i ran into off campus.

[Bebpo]

Nothing wrong with simple people.  A simple lifestyle can be relaxing and enjoyable.

[FlameofCallandorReturns]

You've obviously never seen Oklahoma girls. I feel sorry for you. There's a reason I never moved back home to DC after being stationed in Oklahoma.

i spent seven years in oklahoma and CORN FED is probably the kindest euphemism for the ones i ran into off campus.

That's OK. Pretty much a shithole. Come to TX (Austin) and see some sexy cowgirls who know how to ride.

[Positive Touch]

Nothing wrong with simple people. 

until they all start voting together

[Positive Touch]

Are we playing a game where everyone says something stupid

-from my facebook feed today

[The Sceneman]

as a city dweller myself, I too look down upon simple folk.

[Himu]

I can't stand the south. I'd trade DC for Texas in a heartbeat. Fuck.

[Diunx]

We have had like 7 quakes this year so far, I hope a big one comes and fuck shit up, this hellhole could really use a reboot.

[Phoenix Dark]

I didn't know Oklahoma had cities until they got an NBA team

[The Sceneman]

there will be no apartment swapping necessary. There is ample accommodation here.

Oklahoma City would be sweet though. American chicks will probably dig my exotic accent.

and of course the NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION

[Phoenix Dark]

Kevin Durant probably gets so much white ass there

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

there will be no apartment swapping necessary. There is ample accommodation here.

Oklahoma City would be sweet though. American chicks will probably dig my exotic accent.

and of course the NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION

I'm sure you can plow your way through piles of marginally chubby bottle blonde white chicks with a developing alcohol-bloated double chin.

This video sums up midwest chicks pretty well:



Yes, its' overplayed at this point but it's a perfect example.

[The Sceneman]

give me a few pints of lager and I will gladly hit that or an equivalent