NPD

[Stoney Mason]

Alan Wake on Steam would easily sell just as well as Alan Wake on 360.

150k isn't a difficult number to beat, especially with the ridiculous Steam sales that pop up.

Since steam doesn't release sales numbers its actually fairly difficult to know how much it would sell and especially at what price. At least for regular people.

People who have the data at the actual companies are in a different situation of course.

Eh, I'm sure Valve wouldn't mind disclosing whether or not AW sold 100k+ on Steam.

Actually they would since they generally don't release sales data for games they don't publish (Valve does occasionally for their own titles) and even then they don't generally specify sales at various price points.  But the publisher themselves might disclose such figures although even they generally don't unless it comes in the form of a security filing. It is generally very difficult to find actual digital sales numbers for most titles unless the publishers decides to release those numbers.

[TripleA]

Alan Wake on Steam would easily sell just as well as Alan Wake on 360.

150k isn't a difficult number to beat, especially with the ridiculous Steam sales that pop up.

Since steam doesn't release sales numbers its actually fairly difficult to know how much it would sell and especially at what price. At least for regular people.

People who have the data at the actual companies are in a different situation of course.

Eh, I'm sure Valve wouldn't mind disclosing whether or not AW sold 100k+ on Steam.

Actually they would since they generally don't release sales data for their games and even then they don't generally specify sales at various price points.  But the publisher themselves might disclose such figures although even they generally don't unless it comes in the form of a security filing.

I'm 99.9% sure Microsoft wouldn't give out the numbers, they would sooner shoot their brains out than make the 360 version look bad.

So it would either be Remedy or Valve. Given the lovely relationship Microsoft has with Valve, I wonder if Valve would seize the opportunity to make their platform look better.

[Eel O'Brian]

I've bought games at full retail for PC, but I buy them just like I buy console games, which is wait for the deals 90% of the time

Since I've seen just about every motherfucker on this board stick his or her head into the "gaming deals" threads and link to coupons or sales to snag console games for dirt cheap, there isn't a single PC or console gamer here who has room to talk down the other

[cool breeze]

I still buy a lot of PC games retail at release.  I just don't spend full price because of either Amazon or maybe a steam deal.  I treat console games the same way.  The majority of games I pick up during these steam sales are ones I had a passing interest in and pick up just because.  It's mostly to avoid having a backlog filled with new releases.

[maxy]

Ah,DD sales...backup plan 

It just shows how shitty the PC gaming has become...clinging to some imaginary DD sales numbers that will never be released

If DD games where selling that great,numbers would be published and pimped everywhere...technically,one button press could show them all...unlike retail where publishers have to pay quite a lot to NPD,GFK,etc

But that just shows how crappy and immature gaming industry is...bu bu bu we are a billion dollars industry and yet you can't make weekly top 10 with $$$ figures

Meh.

[Smooth Groove]

Why would Valve want to reveal how much dough they're making?  So that even more people can jump in for a piece of that pie?

[archie4208]

Ah,DD sales...backup plan 

It just shows how shitty the PC gaming has become...clinging to some imaginary DD sales numbers that will never be released

If DD games where selling that great,numbers would be published and pimped everywhere...technically,one button press could show them all...unlike retail where publishers have to pay quite a lot to NPD,GFK,etc

But that just shows how crappy and immature gaming industry is...bu bu bu we are a billion dollars industry and yet you can't make weekly top 10 with $$$ figures

Meh.

Looks like some devs enjoy DD quite a bit.

[demi]

While we may have been able to make some portion of those sales at the full $9.99 price

Stopped reading here

[Stoney Mason]

DD is a fine area and one which will become even more common and important in the future.


Where it breaks down though is where PC gamers delude themselves into thinking certain PC games or franchises are bigger than they are because of DD sales.

[TripleA]

I still buy a lot of PC games retail at release.  I just don't spend full price because of either Amazon or maybe a steam deal.  I treat console games the same way.  The majority of games I pick up during these steam sales are ones I had a passing interest in and pick up just because.  It's mostly to avoid having a backlog filled with new releases.

The reality is the majority of both PC and console games are not worth full price.

[maxy]

Ah,DD sales...backup plan 

It just shows how shitty the PC gaming has become...clinging to some imaginary DD sales numbers that will never be released

If DD games where selling that great,numbers would be published and pimped everywhere...technically,one button press could show them all...unlike retail where publishers have to pay quite a lot to NPD,GFK,etc

But that just shows how crappy and immature gaming industry is...bu bu bu we are a billion dollars industry and yet you can't make weekly top 10 with $$$ figures

Meh.

Looks like some devs enjoy DD quite a bit.

While we may have been able to make some portion of those sales at the full $9.99 price

 

I don't hate DD,i think it's great actually but if publishers think that they can put $60 game on DD just like that...hmm

It's great for cheap games,impulse buy...full price games,uh oh

[archie4208]

I'll try to work around your schedule next time. 

[Purple Filth]

other half of list is now up

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29261/NPD_Top_20_Reveals_Lost_Planet_2_ModNation_Racers.php

11. Lost Planet 2 (Capcom, Xbox 360)
12. New Super Mario Bros (Nintendo, DS)
13. Pokemon Heartgold (Nintendo, DS)
14. God of War III (Sony Santa Monica, PS3)
15. Just Dance (Ubisoft, Wii)
16. Mario Kart, with wheel (Nintendo, Wii)
17. Super Street Fighter IV (Capcom, PS3)
18. ModNation Racers (United Front/Sony, PS3)
19. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Infinity Ward/Activision, Xbox 360)
20. Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo, Wii)

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-fi-ct-games-20100702,0,3292949.story

Blur, failed to catch on, selling just 31,000 units.

Seems that ModNation top 15 thing was based on revenue and this is unit sales?

[Stoney Mason]

Unfortunate because I like Blur but those are the breaks I guess.

Bizzare creations seems to have a hard time selling their games outside of Geometry wars even though they generally make good stuff. Blur & The Club were their last two games at retail and neither of those set the world on fire when it came to sales.

[iconoclast]

PGR4 bombed out the gate too. Too bad, game was awesome.

[Stoney Mason]

This is a company that actually should focus on Digital Distribution. If Blur was strictly an online affair and budgeted and sold at the right price I think they may have had something. But its hard for me to recommend to people at $60.

Plus outside of a couple franchises racing games in general seem to be a hard sell to the public right now.

edit: Lolz. Reading that gaf thread there are actually nintendo fanboys who are happy the game bombed because their commercial trolled Mario Kart. Never change GAF. 

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

can't blame Activision, I saw more ads for it then Red Dead Redemption. *

* minus the billboards and bus ads plastered all over my city.

[archie4208]

How long until Bizarre are relegated to making Call of Duty map packs and subsequently shut down?

[demi]

Nobody will miss them

50 Cent > The Club

Split Second > Blur

[archie4208]

? > Geometry Wars 2?

[Third]

Alan Wake 145k

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/02/npd-on-the-red-dead-alan-wake-and-split-second-retail-showdown/

Mega bomba. I didn't expect it to sell this bad.

[WrikaWrek]

Microsoft handled Alan Wake really poorly, and then released it on the same goddamn day as RDR.

[Third]

Two different type of games anyway. Alan Wake caters to people who like videogames. RDR is just another commercial sanbdox game for the average joe.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It's pretty clear at this point that the PS3 was always more demand constrained, rather than supply constrained.  The PS3 is just treading water as a platform at this point.  I doubt Move will change a whole hell of a lot but GT5 will give it a nice boost come November...

I feel sorry for Blur sales.  I really like racing games and they are flopping like fish as a genre.  I hate to see them devolve into generic sandbox racers or be eliminated as a viable genre altogether.

[TripleA]

It's pretty clear at this point that the PS3 was always more demand constrained, rather than supply constrained.  The PS3 is just treading water as a platform at this point.  I doubt Move will change a whole hell of a lot but GT5 will give it a nice boost come November...

I feel sorry for Blur sales.  I really like racing games and they are flopping like fish as a genre.  I hate to see them devolve into generic sandbox racers or be eliminated as a viable genre altogether.

GT5 won't give it a nice boost if Sony doesn't create a good bundle for the game.

Pack in GT5 and a racing helmet/racing wheel with a 120GB Ps3, and they're good.

[ferrarimanf355]

Nobody will miss them

50 Cent > The Club

Split Second > Blur

No accounting for taste. 

[demi]

Blur, failed to catch on, selling just 31,000 units.

Split/Second sold  86K

UHAUHAHUAHUAHUAHA

[Eel O'Brian]

yeah i guess split/second won in the "not quite as complete a failure" contest

what's the prize for that

[demi]

My validation as SUPREME ANALYST OF THE WORLD and telling ferrariman he's a fucking LOSER

[Eel O'Brian]

to be more pachteresque you need to speculate more about wii hd, and keep shifting prediction dates around so that when something finally comes to pass you can be all "dudes i told you so"

[Brehvolution]

Blur won the race to $40 which secured my purchase.

[demi]

Blur won the race to $40 which secured my purchase.

Split Second was $40 way before Blur as well

Blur won the race for "Having to resort to have a $20 off manufacturer coupon"

[Brehvolution]

BB set it at $40 plus I had a $10 RZ coupon. They wouldn't take the manufactures' coupon. 

If Split Second is only $40, I'll pick it up Wed..

[cool breeze]

at least wait until the end of the year before you get into all this.  NFS Hot Pursuit is still out there, as is GT5.

[Brehvolution]

I'm more interested in NFS than GT5.

[pilonv1]

Blur, failed to catch on, selling just 31,000 units.

Split/Second sold  86K

UHAUHAHUAHUAHUAHA

HILARIOUS. Never expected it to be destroyed so much

[Eel O'Brian]

yes, but that's like saying someone with a pellet gun destroyed someone with a bb gun

[pilonv1]

True. It's still amusing to me though

[demi]

yes, but that's like saying someone with a pellet gun destroyed someone with a bb gun

It's not about who destroyed who. It's about my petty validation. And I earned it, and I will rub myself with it

[Eel O'Brian]

upload pics of said rubbing

[demi]

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4189/normalpicture50.jpg

[maxy]

Alan Wake 145k

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/02/npd-on-the-red-dead-alan-wake-and-split-second-retail-showdown/

Mega bomba. I didn't expect it to sell this bad.

If it were a game with a normal development cycle and budget then I'd say selling over 100k is great news. However Remedy/Microsoft has poured untold tens of millions into this project over an incredibly lengthy period of time. You're right, that's not good at all.

Who cares though, the game is fun. Remedy did a good job.

Hmm...

I don't think so...financial part of course

Max Payne and Alan Wake-outings by the famous Finnish gaming company Remedy Entertainment Ltd. last year made 1.8 million in losses.  Loss for the year was already the company's third consecutive.

 In 2008, losses amounted to EUR 2.9 million and in 2007, 0.7 million, so the total losses over the past three years will rise a total of 5.4 million.

 The turnover, the company made last year, 2.5 million, when in 2008 it amounted only to a fair one thousand euros.

 Large variations in turnover and the performance of the sector are well characterized, since the game requires the development of large R & D inputs. The game company's new game Alan Wake was published in May. Behind is a multi-year development period.

 Three-year loss for the pipe has eroded the company's equity capital, which remained at the end of the year was still 0.8 million.

Has also been an extraordinary fact that the company has had to resort to borrowing money business finance.  MFI interest-bearing loans has become a recognized during the period of EUR 2.1 million.  Previously, the company has been debt-free.

Corporate liquidity is still good, it was a cash balance at the end of 3.3 million. Amount covers about 80 percent of the company's annual operating costs, even though the turnover did not accrue at all, so cash liquidity has been good.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kauppalehti.fi%2F5%2Fi%2Fyritykset%2Fyritysuutiset%2Findex.jsp%3Foid%3D2010%2F06%2F34659&sl=fi&tl=en

Google translate,but if somebody knows Finnish...

And somehow i don't think that MS spend a lot on this game...

[archie4208]

Remember how Activision execs said that Blur would be the Modern Warfare of racing games? 

[Third]

Jesus was still alive when Remedy started working on Alan Wake. It has been in development forever. You have to pay the staff too, you know.
I'm sure the game devcosts approached the $20mln in the end.

[maxy]

Remedy is like 30 people...maybe even less

A little correction...they are now 40+...20 something in 2005

[MCD]

i want a pc port

sellouts, hope they bankrupt

smh pcfags.

[Smooth Groove]

Didn't Halo 3 outsell all of the PS3 exclusives combined?  MS is more than entitled to have an exclusive that performed more like a PS3 exclusive. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The problem with Alan Wake is that it came out a couple of years too late.  The game was considered vaporware by most people until just a bit before the game actually came out.  Then again so was RDR and that sold 1.5 million in the first month...

It's pretty clear at this point that the PS3 was always more demand constrained, rather than supply constrained.  The PS3 is just treading water as a platform at this point.  I doubt Move will change a whole hell of a lot but GT5 will give it a nice boost come November...

I feel sorry for Blur sales.  I really like racing games and they are flopping like fish as a genre.  I hate to see them devolve into generic sandbox racers or be eliminated as a viable genre altogether.

GT5 won't give it a nice boost if Sony doesn't create a good bundle for the game.

Pack in GT5 and a racing helmet/racing wheel with a 120GB Ps3, and they're good.

By a "nice boost" I mean tens of thousands of additional sales for the month it is released.  The only reason why PS3 had the late 2009 performance it had was because the price moved down to an affordable level.  Once those people got one, it is relegated to third place again, per the usual.

[maxy]

Didn't Halo 3 outsell all of the PS3 exclusives combined?

It think it did,but 4-5 high profile ones...who cares

Have to correct myself again

47 employees(2009)

And if somebody has some extra euros to throw around,there are various reports that you can download here...then we can get to the bottom of this

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/yritykset/yrityshaku/osuma.jsp%3Fid%3D10172789&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjGyyRg6hOWnf1HdU3msKOQutlYxg

[Stoney Mason]

Alan Wake was never going to sell because honestly it doesn't have a lot of mass appeal. And I think Max Payne is pretty much one of the most over-rated series of all time but at least it hit at the right time with the right gimmick which was bullet time.

The more direct issue with Microsoft is whether they want or understand how to broaden the profile of their console beyond just the shooter box. (Although this is the perfect generation to be a shooter box if that is what you are going to be)

[TripleA]

Didn't Halo 3 outsell all of the PS3 exclusives combined?  MS is more than entitled to have an exclusive that performed more like a PS3 exclusive. 

Or like Too Human, Forza 3, Banjo Kazooie, You're In The Movies, etc.

[TripleA]

The problem with Alan Wake is that it came out a couple of years too late.  The game was considered vaporware by most people until just a bit before the game actually came out.  Then again so was RDR and that sold 1.5 million in the first month...

It's pretty clear at this point that the PS3 was always more demand constrained, rather than supply constrained.  The PS3 is just treading water as a platform at this point.  I doubt Move will change a whole hell of a lot but GT5 will give it a nice boost come November...

I feel sorry for Blur sales.  I really like racing games and they are flopping like fish as a genre.  I hate to see them devolve into generic sandbox racers or be eliminated as a viable genre altogether.

GT5 won't give it a nice boost if Sony doesn't create a good bundle for the game.

Pack in GT5 and a racing helmet/racing wheel with a 120GB Ps3, and they're good.

By a "nice boost" I mean tens of thousands of additional sales for the month it is released.  The only reason why PS3 had the late 2009 performance it had was because the price moved down to an affordable level.  Once those people got one, it is relegated to third place again, per the usual.

I see.

[TripleA]

Alan Wake was never going to sell because honestly it doesn't have a lot of mass appeal. And I think Max Payne is pretty much one of the most over-rated series of all time but at least it hit at the right time with the right gimmick which was bullet time.

The more direct issue with Microsoft is whether they want or understand how to broaden the profile of their console beyond just the shooter box. (Although this is the perfect generation to be a shooter box if that is what you are going to be)

Alan Wake is pretty much a shooter, at least, that's what the majority of reviews pegged it as.

The most overrated series of all time would be Left4Dead.

[maxy]

Alan Wake was never going to sell because honestly it doesn't have a lot of mass appeal. And I think Max Payne is pretty much one of the most over-rated series of all time but at least it hit at the right time with the right gimmick which was bullet time.

The more direct issue with Microsoft is whether they want or understand how to broaden the profile of their console beyond just the shooter box. (Although this is the perfect generation to be a shooter box if that is what you are going to be)

Yeah,i don't think that AW would sell like crazy even if it got 10 10 10 10.... reviews

This is the online gen and if you have no online then people are meh,i will rent,wait until the price drop...especially for shooters,i fully expect that ME3 will have some sort of online multi

There are some games that sell somewhat without online,but let's face it...those games sell because they have a name,Final Fantasy,God of War,etc...but they all have extremely sharp declines

As for the racing games,they will have to morph into some racing,fps,tps,rpg genre just like fps genre has morphed into fps+rpg...

I blame GTA4,Saints Row like games for that.

In short genre blending will be more and more dominant...and devs won't have the luxury to make fps part good,racing part shit or vice versa

[Madrun Badrun]

@ Demi in this thread

[Great Rumbler]

Alan Wake was never going to sell because honestly it doesn't have a lot of mass appeal. And I think Max Payne is pretty much one of the most over-rated series of all time but at least it hit at the right time with the right gimmick which was bullet time.

The more direct issue with Microsoft is whether they want or understand how to broaden the profile of their console beyond just the shooter box. (Although this is the perfect generation to be a shooter box if that is what you are going to be)

The most overrated series of all time would be Left4Dead.

That would imply that it's not as good as everyone says, which isn't the case.

[TripleA]

Alan Wake was never going to sell because honestly it doesn't have a lot of mass appeal. And I think Max Payne is pretty much one of the most over-rated series of all time but at least it hit at the right time with the right gimmick which was bullet time.

The more direct issue with Microsoft is whether they want or understand how to broaden the profile of their console beyond just the shooter box. (Although this is the perfect generation to be a shooter box if that is what you are going to be)

The most overrated series of all time would be Left4Dead.

That would imply that it's not as good as everyone says

It's not.

[Great Rumbler]

Mmm...yeah, it is.

[TripleA]

Maybe your version contains some great/innovative/revolutionary gameplay.

Mine? nope.

[Great Rumbler]

Maybe your version contains some great/innovative/revolutionary gameplay.

Mine? nope.

Yeah, you probably picked up the wrong one then. It's a common mistake, from what I've heard. See, you've got to get the one where you and three friends have to fight your way through various levels filled with hordes of zombies and special zombies that mix things up. It's always and exciting, thrilling experience and no two games ever play out quite the same, but you've got to make sure that you get the right one. It's called "Left 4 Dead", it's the one with the "4" in it, not "For". That throws some people off.