The only good Metriod (update: Maybe not so good)

[Third]

cool story, bro

[iconoclast]

Just beat this. Overall, I'd say it was really good. My biggest problem with the game is design decisions made most likely due to the hardware. Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use, so they wound up mapping the dodge to the dpad. The problem with this is you can just mash the dpad and Samus will automatically dodge every attack and give you a free plasma charge on top of that. You don't need to properly time anything and it makes the game way, way too easy. If there were a dedicated button to dodging and the timing for it were strict (like Ninja Gaiden) I think the game would be a LOT more fun. But still, there's a decent variety of enemies and they all have good attack patterns. Bosses were very fun too. The puzzle sections were also pretty decent. And since it's a Metroid game, there's still tons of hidden upgrades and secret areas to find, so I'm not really sure what more exploration people are looking for. As it is, I think I've collected 34% of the items in the game, so there's a lot of junk to find if you're into that.

The story isn't THAT bad either. It has its moments.

[etiolate]

Choosing wiimote only isn't the hardware's fault.

[iconoclast]

Choosing wiimote only isn't the hardware's fault.

Nintendo isn't going to make a game that shuns their standard controller. So they designed the game around it instead of forcing you to use the classic controller. That's my guess anyway.

Actually I guess they could have used the nunchuck. I guess they really wanted you to use the dpad and two buttons, NES style. /shrug

[demi]

nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk

[etiolate]

icono: I meant they could have used the nunchuk instead of forcing wiimote/2d out of needless nostalgia. It's like recreating Metroid on the most shallow level. Just use analog for fucks sake.

[Third]

nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk

No.
The nunchuck has two triggers and one analog stick. Would work perfect.
The analog stick for movement. The Z trigger for 1st person view. The C trigger for ball morph.
The B trigger for shooting/dropping bombs. The A button for jumping.

Would work much better than the current shitty wiimote lay out.

[bork]

Just beat this. Overall, I'd say it was really good. My biggest problem with the game is design decisions made most likely due to the hardware. Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use, so they wound up mapping the dodge to the dpad. The problem with this is you can just mash the dpad and Samus will automatically dodge every attack and give you a free plasma charge on top of that. You don't need to properly time anything and it makes the game way, way too easy. If there were a dedicated button to dodging and the timing for it were strict (like Ninja Gaiden) I think the game would be a LOT more fun. But still, there's a decent variety of enemies and they all have good attack patterns. Bosses were very fun too. The puzzle sections were also pretty decent. And since it's a Metroid game, there's still tons of hidden upgrades and secret areas to find, so I'm not really sure what more exploration people are looking for. As it is, I think I've collected 34% of the items in the game, so there's a lot of junk to find if you're into that.

The story isn't THAT bad either. It has its moments.

How long did it take you?

[iconoclast]

Not sure, probably 10 hours or so. I took breaks every once in a while and left the game on pause. It's a Team Ninja game so I marathoned it

[demi]

nunchuck would have made the game control for shit... real talk

No.
The nunchuck has two triggers and one analog stick. Would work perfect.
The analog stick for movement. The Z trigger for 1st person view. The C trigger for ball morph.
The B trigger for shooting/dropping bombs. The A button for jumping.

Would work much better than the current shitty wiimote lay out.

I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt

[Trent Dole]

I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt

And thank god it isn't. That series got progressively less good.

[cool breeze]

Is it generally accepted that Prime 2 is better than Prime 3? I liked Prime 1 a lot, Prime 3 was ok-ish, but Prime 2 I stopped playing because I was really not liking it.  One of the reasons I got the Prime Wii trilogy was to give it another shot.

and I like how the two big Nintendo fans on this forum both pirated it 

[demi]

Is it generally accepted that Prime 2 is better than Prime 2?

... no ... yes ... maybe

[cool breeze]

numbers are difficult, man

I meant "do people think Prime 2 is better than Prime 3?"

[demi]

if they're stupid, yes. the only thing that makes Prime 2 shit is having to warp between dark and light worlds. i hate that mechanic in any videogame.

[iconoclast]

the only thing that makes Prime 2 shit is having to warp between dark and light worlds. i hate that mechanic in any videogame.

yep. in theory it sounds pretty cool, but i have yet to play a game where that was actually fun and/or interesting.

[Great Rumbler]

Yeah, Prime 2 would have been a lot better if they'd dropped the light world/dark world mechanic and just slotted in a new area or two.

[Bebpo]

So the controls seem hella awkward for this.  I thought you could free look in first person, but everytime I go into 1st person I'm locked into just what's exactly in front of me so I have to keep correcting my position in 3rd person then go into first person.  Also moving in 3d space on a d-pad is distinguished mentally-challenged.  Why doesn't this game use nunchuck.

[etiolate]

Yeah, Prime 2 would have been a lot better if they'd dropped the light world/dark world mechanic and just slotted in a new area or two.

Would have been so much better. I hardly remember a dark zone as anything but a bunch of blobs.

[demi]

So the controls seem hella awkward for this.  I thought you could free look in first person, but everytime I go into 1st person I'm locked into just what's exactly in front of me so I have to keep correcting my position in 3rd person then go into first person.  Also moving in 3d space on a d-pad is distinguished mentally-challenged.  Why doesn't this game use nunchuck.

You do know you can hold B and you can free-look?

Honestly you people. One by one you are all proving you are just inadequate...

[TakingBackSunday]

bebpo is a bad gamer though, so, you know

[bork]

Didn't play this too much tonight (am going through the long process of ripping my Wii collection at the moment), but put in around an hour or so, fighting the first boss and going a bit further than that. 

+ Am enjoying the game play.  Everything goes very fast and I have found it extremely easy to get used to the control scheme.
+ No waggle!
+ Despite being mostly-linear, it does feel like a bit of Metroidvania is there when searching for items.  It reminds of Metroid Fusion in its linearity.
- Too much storyline.  Some of the cut scenes just drag on too long and break up the flow of the action.  It's not exactly a blast running down empty corridors then watching dialogue or a flashback for five minutes.
- You really can just furiously tap the d-pad during enemy encounters and dodge everything.
+ But some enemies cannot be killed by dodging and shooting!

So again, this game is "My first Ninja Gaiden" so far.  Hasn't been difficult, but has been fun.  If an action-oriented Metroid sounds good to you, you'll probably like this.  Just be prepared for an abundance of cut scenes.

Oh, and there is background music.  Magus is on something.  It plays when you get into enemy encounters.

[naff]

EDIT: watching the super metroid video i just realized they removed the jingle that played when you found a new item

 :'(

I love that little tune.

Anyway, from a few videos the game looks fun. Looks incredibly pared down though, I also hate playing games with that damned Wii remote sideways. Pissed me off to no end in NSMB Wii even though I really liked the game. Can't believe they've done a TPS style action beat'em up Metroid using that crappy ass controller sideways. Smh Team Ninja.

[magus]

Since you have to hold the remote sideways, they ran out of buttons you could comfortably use

i don't see why they couldn't use the B button,or just making you dodging by double tapping a direction,or simply change the button configuration around

if you ask me,they just wanted to dumb the game down,which is the same reason you can heal yourself fully when you are in the red or why sometimes you end with 0/1 health instead of dying

uh anyway i defeated this fire boss and he was pretty cool and i guess that's all i can add since my last post

[iconoclast]

I don't know, the B button is kinda awkward to hit with the remote sideways. I'm sure they did want to make the game really casual though, considering the audience, so it probably wasn't a hard decision. Double-tapping to dodge in an action game would be terrible.

Nintendo just really needs to start adding difficulty modes to their games.

[magus]

regarding the bad cutscene/good cutscene argument i was having first

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so samus find this science girl and it's revealed that one of the guys on his team it's evil (i bet it's the black guy since he's samus buddy) that's good! it moves the plot forward

but then you have another cutscene with a flashback of what happened 2 seconds ago,what the hell game? do you think i'm a dog or that i suffer from attention deficit disorder? oh,oh i get it,you are having this so samus can mull over it,"i decided to call the traitor "THE DELETER"" she says,that's cool samus,i guess traitor was simply too bland,at least you didn't decide for something like "the baby killer,because it kills people that attract attention,like babies!" now can i go back to the game?

[close]

oh also i'm starting to feel the pain of people saying that this whole authorization issue is distinguished mentally-challenged,there is this part where you reach a button you can't push because you are missing a powerup,then you go back to the entrance of this whole facility and get trapped "OK SAMUS! SINCE YOU ARE TRAPPED YOU CAN NOW USE THE POWERUP LOL!" only after that you can press the button,why not have this trap spring before i reach this button or give me the powerup when i first reach this button?

but anyway i think the game is improving,mooks are still dispatched by mashing the D-Pad button and keeping 1 pressed but at least they are getting more varied than bugs and moths,and the occasional boss can provide some good action

[demi]

Can't believe they've done a TPS style action beat'em up

It's

Not

A

BEU


Hope this helps

[EmCeeGrammar]

I guess this would work for Prime 4... which this isnt

And thank god it isn't. That series got progressively less good.

I'd say prime 3 was fun if not a masterpiece. Echoes was a fucking chore so Corruption was kind of a redeemer imo. I think the biggest grievance I had with the prime games is that they progressively kept trying to add story elements, cutscenes, and shitty friends. The gameplay was fine however.

[TakingBackSunday]

Prime 3 was fantastic, albeit way too linear for a mainline Metroid game.  I have a special attachment to Echoes, but it's undoubtedly a chore to play through at parts.  Prime 3 is better.

[magus]

i... uh... finished it

the final boss was totaly underwhelming,in fact i didn't even understand that it was the final boss
the plot kinda jumps the shark ala metal gear,but even that it's definitely better than samus moping around so i guess the plot at least improves

the bosses are decently fun but for the rest of the game you just walk down over an infinite number of hallways,after you get the final beam upgrade you are basicaly invincible as even stronger mooks get dispatched with no effort (not that it take much effort even before the upgrade) by simply charging and shooting your beam until they are dead

so yea,remember how many people complained about FF13 that the game was linear? that they cringed every time hope moped around?  and that the combat was brainless? this is metroid fantasy 13 only it's so short that you can't complain that "it takes 25 hours before it gets good!"

by all means it's not a bad game but it's as averagish as it gets,if you need a metroid fix just replay super metroid and if you want to play an action game gets monster hunter 3 and play it online

[demi]

The Ridley fight is dope as fuck. Super Metroid right here

[magus]

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still the best 3D metroid game ever as confirmed by the fact that they rip the whole "crashing samus into a wall" scene

[iconoclast]

by all means it's not a bad game but it's as averagish as it gets,if you need a metroid fix just replay super metroid and if you want to play an action game gets monster hunter 3 and play it online

Monster Hunter isn't really an action game. It kinda is, but it's really more of an action RPG since you are constantly grinding and farming for new equipment and items and stuff. Of course Other M doesn't compare at all to proper action games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC, God Hand, Bayonetta, etc. but it's pretty smartly designed for the Wii crowd. At its core it's a really good game, it's just crippled by the easy dodge.

I liked it a lot at any rate. I'd say it's a good 8.0-8.5 game. Overall I'd rank the series like this: Super Metroid > Prime 1 > Prime 3 > Other M > Fusion > Zero Mission > Prime 2 > Metroid

Never played Hunters or Metroid 2.

[magus]

well the only other action game on the wii i can think of it's no more heroes and i don't like that too but yea maybe even no more heroes is a better pick than this

oh there is also mad world but... yea.... i like it,but the actual game is maybe a little too simple

[Himu]

Other M better than Zero Mission lol

Stop enticing me

[iconoclast]

Well yeah, there's No More Heroes and MadWorld, but they both play like shit. NMH is fun because of Suda and the boss fights; MadWorld is just trash top to bottom. NMH is still my favorite game on the Wii though, so I guess I agree with you there.

Other M better than Zero Mission lol

Stop enticing me

I haven't played the GBA games since they came out, so to be honest they are kind of a blur for me. It just depends what you're looking for I guess. ZM is classic Metroid gameplay, Other M is an action game first and Metroid game second. It's a babby action game, but it's still pretty fun to play.

And also action games are by far one of my favorite genres, so I am biased.

[TakingBackSunday]

For me, so far, its

Super Metroid > Prime 1 > Zero Mission > Prime 3 > Other M > Prime 2 > Fusion

of the ones that matter, the first two blow

[demi]

What do you do when you are inside the Metroid Queen's stomach? I assume it's a great Power Bomb scene but nothing happens... and I die

edit: Ok... so you do use a Power Bomb. Glad the GAME TOLD ME I UNLOCKED IT

[iconoclast]

  Yeah I died a few times there. I first thought you'd have to powerbomb it, but since it never tells you it's unlocked I just kept spamming bombs and dying.

[magus]

i found it weird that they teach you in the tutorial how to use a power bomb and then you never use it!
i mean,what's the point?

[demi]

WHAT THE FUCK???????????

That was the end?????????????? :lol

What the fuck I'm in awe wow

[demi]

Ok I'm sorry after that... this just dropped to the bottom of the list jesus christ

Is there a bonus ending if you get all items or ANYTHING?

[demi]

Wait what the fuck THERES MORE

[archie4208]

Wait what's happening?

[iconoclast]

The whole MB thing is insane. The story would be better without it.

[magus]

Ok I'm sorry after that... this just dropped to the bottom of the list jesus christ

Is there a bonus ending if you get all items or ANYTHING?

what did i say?

the plot kinda jumps the shark ala metal gear,but even that it's definitely better than samus moping around so i guess the plot at least improves

[iconoclast]

Metal Gear is a pretty apt comparison, at least for the final scenes in the game.

We were the crazy ones all along.

[demi]

The credits rolled and I thought that was the end, but there's apparently more game here. I am trying to clean up items now since I'm here

[Himu]

sounds like FF13 finale

[iconoclast]

The credits rolled and I thought that was the end, but there's apparently more game here. I am trying to clean up items now since I'm here

Yeah, it's just to run around and collect all the hidden stuff. There's also hidden locations that aren't marked on the map in case you haven't found any yet, so getting 100% might be pretty tough. I'm not going to bother with that unless there's more interesting stuff to find than rocket packs.

[demi]

I dont even care about the plot... I thought that was the final fight and the end was just... there. Is there any more story/fights in this post-credits area?

[iconoclast]

I quit after 10 minutes of that so I have no idea. I would assume not though. Maybe once you get 100% something cool happens, but I'll probably never find out.

[magus]

i heard there is 30 more minutes of questing around but i have no idea what they involve

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i guess samus goes to sector zero to get something related to adam

[close]

[demi]

Yeah there is most definitely a new boss... and it is huuuge

[demi]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat they just pulled a Super Metroid and Zero Mission

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You grab Adam's helmet, and after a cutscene the ship starts to explode and you have to escape in the Zero Suit

[close]

[demi]

I got 68% item completion, and unlocked Gallery and Theater modes

[iconoclast]

WTF? You best not be trolling. I guess I should play some more...

[demi]

Ok I have no idea how to get some of these items, so I am going to stop here... someone else can figure out if you get anything for 100% items.

[demi]

Found this on GameFAQs

If you get 100% completion you unlock hard mode, a mode where there are no item pickups meaning you'll have to clear it with 1 energy tank and 10 missiles.

Same guy

I've actually beaten hard mode now to the credits, but when I go back to my save file I cannot continue on the ship. Is that it? It's weird that the normal game continues after the credits, but not hard mode.

I also didn't get anything.

[iconoclast]

Wow there is a hard mode then? Team Ninja came through