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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #240 on: August 28, 2010, 07:53:32 PM »
meh some low reviews are just because american media wants it lower then the retro studios games. Metroid Other M is actually damn fun, much better than Prime 3 atleast.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #241 on: August 28, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #242 on: August 28, 2010, 07:57:43 PM »
I like demi today.  But just for today.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #243 on: August 28, 2010, 07:58:51 PM »
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.

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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #244 on: August 28, 2010, 07:59:56 PM »
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #245 on: August 28, 2010, 08:05:05 PM »
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.

Lol
Metroid= sidescrolling? Sidescroller is a bullet point now? 
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #246 on: August 28, 2010, 08:06:07 PM »
meh some low reviews are just because american media wants it lower then the retro studios games. Metroid Other M is actually damn fun, much better than Prime 3 atleast.

It looks like many reviews are from people who have no idea how to play properly. Watching the GiantBomb quicklook, Brad runs up to one of the robots that can only be hit when they're charging their attack, switches to first person, shoots it a bunch of times, then gets smacked and proceeds to complain about it. It seems like a lot of people fail to realize this is an action game and not Metroid Prime.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #247 on: August 28, 2010, 08:08:49 PM »
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media. Prime 1 and 2 are great games, but when you see Prime 3 getting 9s and 10s  you know it is only because of the reputation. It wasn't worth those scores.
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« Reply #248 on: August 28, 2010, 08:13:09 PM »
I had over 50 missiles when I finished playing, and you barely use 10 in a boss fight. All you have to do is dodge and shoot charged blasts.

Oh well, what can you do. Wasted time on yet another Wii game... back to the 360
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« Reply #249 on: August 28, 2010, 08:13:49 PM »
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then
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« Reply #250 on: August 28, 2010, 08:19:32 PM »
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then

Yeah agreed  let's wait for that one.

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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #251 on: August 28, 2010, 08:24:13 PM »
i think my opinion is mostly close to this review
http://gameinformer.com/games/metroid_other_m/b/wii/archive/2010/08/27/nintendo-s-team-ninja-team-up-robs-metroid-of-its-atmosphere-and-character.aspx

i find it silly that he complains about "absence of a sense of isolation" but the rest is spot-on
unsurprisingly GAF has declared it the worst review ever ::)

you know some other thing that ticked me off about the plot
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- the game makes it sounds like a big deal there's a traitor among the group,yet at the end you never discover who it was,everybody ends up dead anyway so what was the entire point of having this plot twist?
- samus meet ridley and gets all scared,what the heck? this is a desperate attempt at characterization at his finest! this scene has happened like a gazillion of times,it makes absolutely no sense other than "QUICK WE NEED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT"
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #252 on: August 28, 2010, 08:27:12 PM »
Hardly...

I'd be pissed to spend my money on this... go on ebay and buy Prime Trilogy instead

meh Retro could release a turd and it still would get rave reviews from the north american media.

I guess we'll see when that Donkey Kong game is out then
A DKC game with no water levels or Kremlings.

Turd.

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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #253 on: August 28, 2010, 08:27:37 PM »
For sure... it wont touch Rare's genius
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« Reply #254 on: August 28, 2010, 08:28:50 PM »

you know some other thing that ticked me off about the plot
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- the game makes it sounds like a big deal there's a traitor among the group,yet at the end you never discover who it was,everybody ends up dead anyway so what was the entire point of having this plot twist?
- samus meet ridley and gets all scared,what the heck? this is a desperate attempt at characterization at his finest! this scene has happened like a gazillion of times,it makes absolutely no sense other than "QUICK WE NEED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT"
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Yeah, I think a huge chunk of game was taken out. However if you look at "Characters" after you beat the game, you'll see that one guy is still missing and the description says that the Federation never found him when they searched the ship. So I think it is implied that he was the killer.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #255 on: August 28, 2010, 08:34:41 PM »
Other M isnt even a Metroid game... no need to list it on any scale

it is more metroid then the prime games were. You can actually you can get some good sidescrolling action in this one.

lay off the crazy juice

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« Reply #256 on: August 28, 2010, 08:46:06 PM »
I did some reasearch and practically every boss in this game s from a different metroid. lol

Nightmare from Fusion
Phantoon from Super (this is the post-game boss)
Metroid Queen from Metroid II
Ridley

(I forgot the other bosses but I'm sure they are from a diff game as well.)

There's also zero mention of the Chozo in this game.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #257 on: August 28, 2010, 08:55:22 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #258 on: August 28, 2010, 08:57:41 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?
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« Reply #259 on: August 28, 2010, 08:58:08 PM »
I think it's more of a reminder to steer clear of anything by Team Ninja... lol
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« Reply #260 on: August 28, 2010, 09:06:04 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #261 on: August 28, 2010, 09:11:33 PM »
At least prime 2 TRIED to be a metroid game. I'd say maybe it tried a little too hard.  That and all those damn keys, ugh.  Prime 3 got decentish reviews because it successfully incorporated the wiimote into improving its control scheme. Combine that novelty with some gracious streamlining of the formula and it was a solid if not spectacular game. 
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #262 on: August 28, 2010, 09:15:28 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?

Oh, I thought we were talking about how good the games were. I really couldn't care less about any characters or story in the Metroid universe.
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #263 on: August 28, 2010, 09:16:59 PM »

A DKC game with no... Kremlings.

Turd.

Yeah, such 'great' enemy designs lost  ::). Really, the problem with the DKC I've seen from showfloor vids is that the levels don't require much more from the player than going through the motions of barrel, jump, pound. It doesn't seem to require any precise applications of those concepts. You just do the obvious action and progress.
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« Reply #264 on: August 28, 2010, 09:19:34 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

We back to talking about Prime 2?

Prime 2 had shoehorned melodrama and a complete lack of understanding of what the Metroid series and its characters are even about?

Oh, I thought we were talking about how good the games were. I really couldn't care less about any characters or story in the Metroid universe.

It's the total package, man, the total package.

And Prime 2 had Sanctuary Fortress, effectively shielding it from nearly all criticism [except for all those keys].

At least prime 2 TRIED to be a metroid game. I'd say maybe it tried a little too hard.  That and all those damn keys, ugh.  Prime 3 got decentish reviews because it successfully incorporated the wiimote into improving its control scheme. Combine that novelty with some gracious streamlining of the formula and it was a solid if not spectacular game. 

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Prime 3 is better than Prime 2, but neither can top the first. Prime 3 got a bit goofy with the Samus and Friends stuff, but that really only comprised the first couple hours, most of the stuff after that was solo missions on barren planets. It managed to do the Wiimote right and it had some really cool locations, so I can forgive some of its faults. Prime 2 just had too many designs problems, mainly the key quest near the end and the light world/dark world mechanic that just increased the backtracking by a ton. I'm not against backtracking in Metroid games, especially Prime games because I really like just looking at the scenery that much [I know, I'm easy to please], but backtracking through the dark world was just painful.

With Other M, I think we're talking about something completely different here.
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« Reply #265 on: August 28, 2010, 09:22:53 PM »
I tried playing through Prime 2 twice just to experience Sanctuary Fortress. Could never make it past dark torvus bog.  :( 
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« Reply #266 on: August 28, 2010, 09:24:00 PM »
So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?

I am not sure how Sakamoto inherited the father of Metroid title. Gunpei did have some input and the difference between Sakamoto's post-gunpei Metroids and the core Metroids is pretty apparent.

Beyond that, authorial power in games is pretty spread out, especially with a game series that has had different teams across different countries.

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« Reply #267 on: August 28, 2010, 09:27:14 PM »
Sakomoto is heavily associated with Super Metroid which is like the epitome of the entire genre and has yet to be dethroned. Its not hard to see why he is revered as such.
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Until Other M. :/
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« Reply #268 on: August 28, 2010, 09:27:48 PM »
I'll keep my Prime Trilogy disc and skip this.
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« Reply #269 on: August 28, 2010, 09:31:49 PM »
I tried playing through Prime 2 twice just to experience Sanctuary Fortress. Could never make it past dark torvus bog.  :( 

I played through Prime 2 a second time just to get TO Sanctuary Fortress again.  :lol

So basically this is the Metroid series' distinguished mentally-challenged cousin and we should all be better for pretending that it never actually existed?

Also, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?

I am not sure how Sakamoto inherited the father of Metroid title. Gunpei did have some input and the difference between Sakamoto's post-gunpei Metroids and the core Metroids is pretty apparent.

Beyond that, authorial power in games is pretty spread out, especially with a game series that has had different teams across different countries.

Whether it was Sakamoto or Gunpei who was the "man in charge", Sakamoto was still there from the beginning. So, again, shouldn't Sakamoto know better?
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« Reply #270 on: August 28, 2010, 09:32:45 PM »
I am curious to see how much the story makes the game purposefully linear.

If I wanted to be a bastard in the GAF thread I could just point out that I was right about all the issues I brought up that got me banned, but the "videogames can't be sexist" mentality is far more interesting or disturbing or somewhere along that line.

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« Reply #271 on: August 28, 2010, 09:40:16 PM »
The game locks doors and forces you to go a set path. For example, when you beat the game and do the post-content. Your first instinct is - hey, I'll go straight to the elevators and to the other sectors to get those items I missed. Nope... you are forced to detour alllll the way around another path.

Even when you DO finish the post-game and re-load your save... the elevator is STILL blocked. You are forced to take the long path regardless if you want to head back to the previous sectors.
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« Reply #272 on: August 28, 2010, 10:01:22 PM »
I thought it really opened up at the end?

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« Reply #273 on: August 28, 2010, 10:03:18 PM »
Depends on where you are... if you are heading towards the final fight, then that is also severely locked and one direction only.
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« Reply #274 on: August 28, 2010, 10:47:37 PM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh
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Re: The only good Metriod
« Reply #275 on: August 28, 2010, 10:53:12 PM »
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.

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« Reply #276 on: August 28, 2010, 11:05:39 PM »
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.

Yeah, if Prime 1 was a 9.5 or a 10, then Prime 3 was probably a 9.0, for me.
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« Reply #277 on: August 28, 2010, 11:19:30 PM »
was hoping this would be good. would be the first Wii purchase in months and months and months and....

oh well. maybe i should just finish the Prime trilogy then
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« Reply #278 on: August 28, 2010, 11:37:10 PM »
Buying Prime Trilogy instead.
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« Reply #279 on: August 28, 2010, 11:39:24 PM »
was hoping this would be good. would be the first Wii purchase in months and months and months and....

oh well. maybe i should just finish the Prime trilogy then

Hmmm, buy excitebots!
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« Reply #280 on: August 28, 2010, 11:41:51 PM »
buy a 360 game instead!
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« Reply #281 on: August 29, 2010, 12:08:43 AM »
Yeah, if you haven't played the Prime Triology definitely get that instead. Prime 1 and 3 are better games, especially Prime 1. Although I'd say Other M is more fun to play than all of the Prime games, but that could be due to me holding action games above most genres.
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« Reply #282 on: August 29, 2010, 12:15:48 AM »
Well, I appreciate Nintendo for giving me a reason to turn on my Wii. Guess we're waiting until October for Kirby.
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« Reply #283 on: August 29, 2010, 12:30:52 AM »
I want to believe in this game's story because Sakamoto has awesome hair and face and because I don't want to be on the same side as etiolate, but that cutscene looks pretty bad  :'(
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« Reply #284 on: August 29, 2010, 12:32:58 AM »
I like the game a lot, meh
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« Reply #285 on: August 29, 2010, 12:43:41 AM »
I want to believe in this game's story because Sakamoto has awesome hair and face and because I don't want to be on the same side as etiolate, but that cutscene looks pretty bad  :'(

That's not even close to the worst/stupidest/most insane scene in the game. The story is not good, but it has some nice moments.
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I liked how that baby chicken monster evolves into Ridley, and the part when Adam goes on his suicide mission to kill all the Metroids. That was cool. I think that's just about all of the good parts though.
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At least the CG is pretty nice. As nice as 480p CG can be anyway.
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« Reply #286 on: August 29, 2010, 12:48:56 AM »
The Adam scene was distinguished mentally-challenged and shit. Did we really need to see Samus limping and being a bitch after getting shot once by a regular soldier? The same Samus who dives headfirst into alien worlds and shoots up monsters 20x taller than her? Fuckin a man.

The best scene is the opening cutscene with the SM remake... that's about it
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« Reply #287 on: August 29, 2010, 12:55:08 AM »
But Adam has a special gun that deletes her power armor so it makes sense. ???
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« Reply #288 on: August 29, 2010, 12:56:01 AM »
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« Reply #289 on: August 29, 2010, 12:58:51 AM »
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol
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« Reply #290 on: August 29, 2010, 01:08:46 AM »
Speaking of the
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chicken thing
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The series as of late has always made it seem Ridley was a personal nemesis. Is it really just samus is fucking dumb enough to not distinquish between several members of the same species?
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« Reply #291 on: August 29, 2010, 01:12:43 AM »
Scans in Metroid Prime suggest that it's the same being each time.
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« Reply #292 on: August 29, 2010, 01:25:46 AM »
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol

For storyline purposes it's quite stupid, but it's no different than gaining abilities as you go along in other action games and being stripped of all your shit and needing to find it all again in Metroidvanias.
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« Reply #293 on: August 29, 2010, 01:38:26 AM »
The whole deal with not being able to use the powerups has to be the worst thing ever. :lol

For storyline purposes it's quite stupid, but it's no different than gaining abilities as you go along in other action games and being stripped of all your shit and needing to find it all again in Metroidvanias.

Yeah, but it's like they got together and asked themselves "How can we take away Samus' powers in the stupidest way possible?".
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« Reply #294 on: August 29, 2010, 01:39:22 AM »
It's better than OH SHIT SAMUS YOU LOST YOUR POWERUPS AGAIN
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« Reply #295 on: August 29, 2010, 02:55:04 AM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

is this really what everyone is getting up about?

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« Reply #296 on: August 29, 2010, 03:20:49 AM »
No, they are all in arms that Samus is treated like a woman and that she cant do anything without approval from men, etc...
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« Reply #297 on: August 29, 2010, 03:37:22 AM »
Huh. I don't get the hype for Sanctuary Fortress and how it's somehow a redeeming factor for Prime 2. Was still a pretty average area. Dumb soundvisor "puzzles" and a really crap dark side. Certainly doesn't make up for the terrible Torvus Bog.
I beat Prime 1 and instantly replayed it in Hard mode and went for 100%. With Prime 2 I had to force myself to return to it several times just to finish, and I've never replayed it. I quit Prime 3 after like 3 hours and haven't touched it since.
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« Reply #298 on: August 29, 2010, 04:39:01 AM »
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Like a bad dream. sigh

Why are the Japanese even allowed to make games at this point?
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« Reply #299 on: August 29, 2010, 06:01:45 AM »
I thought Prime 3 was pretty good for what it was. I had a lot of fun with it. This game looks like shit.

Prime 3 is easily the weakest game in the Prime series. They added more brainless action but took away the genius exploration the first two games had. Meh.