Author Topic: Killzone 2 (Read 3295 times)

demi · « **on:** January 12, 2011, 07:43:53 PM »

You can't be fucking serious

demi · « **Reply #1 on:** January 12, 2011, 07:52:21 PM »

Tilt the controller like a valve

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:03:10 PM »

I heard the awesome input lag makes a 6 hr game into 10 hr long.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:05:42 PM »

what? Lemme guess, you think guns in real life can be aimed quickly? And that soldiers are more than 3 feet tall? And that there are colors other than brown? And that shitloads of filters = good graphics?

demi · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:07:41 PM »

Ok guys I turned the wheel, how much longer do I have to play

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:11:06 PM »

Anyone interested in joining Demi for a Killzone 2 playalong? I've yet to plug in my copy after my friends killed my buzz by laughing at how horrible it was when we were checking out the demo.

demi · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:18:20 PM »

I'm playing on Veteran cause the hardest was locked. Boooooooooooooooooooooo at implying I want to play this game twice

Or a quarter of the way

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:33:43 PM »

How's the AI?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:34:14 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 08:33:43 PM

How's the AI?

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:40:42 PM »

I have traded in two games in the last 5 years. Resistance 2 (for Killzone 2) and Killzone 2 (for nothing).

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2011, 11:40:02 PM »

Sfags pressuring reviewers into dishing out A grades for Killzone 2 is their greatest accomplishment this gen. It's amazing that the game only got 3 reviews under 80% when it is almost universally considered now merely mediocre.

Rman · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2011, 11:52:57 PM »

The best thing Sony did with K2 was their viral marketing.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2011, 02:03:54 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 08:33:43 PM

How's the AI?

Some of the best around on harder modes, except for when you occasionally find a portal hole.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2011, 02:07:22 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on January 12, 2011, 11:49:11 PM

seriously, i've seen the AI lauded but i got to say - it's no better than COD AI.

Ducky - tell me why ANYONE who has played Halo would look at this and say anything other than "WTF?! this is turgid arse"

Did you ever kick the difficulty up, or did you stick with the dolt difficulty? It makes a serious difference. Not that it makes it any less of a samey game, but individual enemy encounters kick ass.

Oh, and don't make me talk about Halo A.I. fuck-ups. Shoot space gorilla in the face, watch space gorilla paces two steps to the right, and then two steps to the left. Jump into warthog, get driven straight into a rock, several times. Which is amusing since the enemy behavior in Halo games is typically top notch.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:35:02 AM »

Game looks great. Better than crysis. THe input lag give the gun a weight to it.

demi · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:44:35 AM »

I shut it off after I played past the wheel. I was just so awestruck at how bad it is.

Game looks sick though...

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:46:23 AM »

Every couple of months i put the game on my ps3, and pass a level or something. I bought the game at launch, still haven't finished.

One of the most boring FPSs ever.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:49:40 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on January 13, 2011, 03:34:23 AM

If you are pimping Kz2 AI whilst dissing Halo AI you are chewing on shit. Simple as. For AI fuck ups - Killzone dudes standing next to clearly on fire canisters? Shooting off cover and them STILL taking cover behind an area that now has no cover?! etc etc...
and REFUCKING SPAWNING which DOESNT HAPPEN IN Kz2 BUT DOES ... quite a bit.

note : i am being a bit of a dick up above, but i think the idea that KZ AI is some sort of uberachievement is a LOOOOOONG draw that i simply don't buy into. There's way more "AI Glitches" than in Halo and that's even with most of the AI operating in confines and straight lines which surely passes even more kudos to Halo 1-X's mainly open environment AI, especially on Legendary which is fucking GREAT. Killzone was a few bits away from being awesome so i am WELL ON BOARD for KZ3 - like i say, i went through KZ2 twice. I don't see the great AI at all and comparisons to Rainbow 6 are, especially as you are a fan of R6 and so am i, way WAY too much for KZ. I would take a new R6 over KZ3 any day however i want to see how KZ3 turns out.

I'm not dissing Halo at all. Halo has some of the most remarkable battle moments around because of kick ass , but those examples weren't grabbed out of thin air. They stand out like crazy because the A.I. is otherwise so great. I guess it's the Brute factor, which would explain why Reach is kick ass awesome while Halo 2 and 3 are not. What Halo does that really no one else does is give you lots of different behaviors per battle. Grunts act one way, Elites another, and so forth. Killzone has none of that, and I hope they fix that with KZ3.

And I haven't once experienced the A.I. issues you list, except the canister thing. But then that's true for just about every game with exploding canisters, isn't it? One critical flaw that pretty much ruined one particular scene was when I discovered the A.I. spawn, and it seemed like the battle awareness simply hadn't kicked in at that point. So you could mow them down with no problem. Not cool when the battles are usually tense because of enemy brights.

Now seriously... Rainbow Six? The game with one or two critical pathfinding bugs per level, and the friendlies that can't get past one another, and instead crouch-stand-crouch while getting murdered? To make it all the more damning, you will lose if your team mates perish. Most hostile friendly A.I. system around. Gives me zero hope for the new command-less Ghost Recon. I'd still take a new Rainbow Six over just about any other shooter, but it sure as hell isn't because of the A.I.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:01:04 PM »

It kicked ass until the ass had been kicked numb. Needed more variety. Also needed more pretty environments, as in say Gears of War. The ice shelf stuff in the previews for KZ3 is promising.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »

So even the graphics aren't that great? But graphics god dark10x said that Killzone 2 looked better than Crysis.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2011, 01:36:23 PM »

It was like one big battle. No change of pace or even much change in enemy encounters, just one intense infantry level and that was it. There was like one breather level, and that one was (surprise) set in some barren environment. The ice shelf thing looks more interesting than the entirety of KZ2.

TEEEPO · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:04:59 PM »

i loved the game :'(

demi · « **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:10:34 PM »

I had to turn Sensitivity to the max for it to be remotely controllable

Purple Filth · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:57:03 PM »

The game was alright nowhere near the hype Sony fans gave and nowhere near the shit xbots give it.

fuck that lead up to the final boss though.

demi · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:58:09 PM »

Quote from: Purple Filth on January 13, 2011, 03:57:03 PM

The game was alright nowhere near the hype Sony fans gave and nowhere near the shit xbots give it.

fuck that lead up to the final boss though.

yer crazy. aside from the sick graphics this game is dull as dirt.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2011, 04:22:57 PM »

Oh wow Xbots bashing a game for no reason other than "lol its on ps3 i have a small penis so i must overcompensate"

demi · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2011, 04:24:41 PM »

Methodis I would destroy you.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2011, 04:37:49 PM »

Quote from: demi on January 13, 2011, 04:24:41 PM

Methodis I would destroy you.

A BLOO BLOO A BLOO BLOO :santocry :santocry

cool breeze · « **Reply #28 on:** January 13, 2011, 04:53:16 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 13, 2011, 03:59:34 PM

It was the same problem with LBP. The controls were garbage and since it's a precision type game the rest of the game is garbage. Simple enough.

yeah, but little big planet wasn't a precision type game except for the the last level. the rest of the game relies more or on puzzles. It was the community levels that completely missed it and attempted to make mario or mega man levels when the physics didn't work.

I liked the main game of LBP, but all the "create play share" sucked. making levels wasn't simple and other people's levels sucked. lbp2 improved some things but it will be more of the same. i'm passing on it for now since I know I won't be playing the "unlimited amount of community level". I finished LBP1, played it again when the mgs stuff came out for it, tried playing it at friend house but quit after seeing the list of patches that needed downloading, and it remained untouched ever since.

I think dcharlie said it right about the KZ2 atmosphere. I enjoyed playing the short campaign because everything was loud and flashy that was entertaining for approximatively four hours, or the length of the campaign. It felt more like CoD mixed with Gears to me. No plan on getting Killzone 3 since in the time between KZ2 and 3 I've played too many similar, and better, games.

And yeah, the ending was stupid since the majority of the game was you pushing the space nazi back; then it becomes an arena and the controls don't work. I played some multiplayer after it and it was even more frustrating there and made me want to play cod4 again. Though, it had some nice ideas to it like staying on the map as the game modes rotate. Brink is doing something similar.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 13, 2011, 04:58:29 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on January 13, 2011, 03:55:14 PM

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It was like one big battle. No change of pace or even much change in enemy encounters

well, i have a slight insight into the game design from a friend, and i think the problem with the games design is down to time.

The opening segment is great, some of the levels where you go from room to room are great too - but then you have game lengthening tube shooting and it's there where the game falls apart : on the bridge, on the train and on the final lead up to the boss.

That said - making it to the door actually felt like an out and out struggle and really the game should have ended at that point as it felt like you'd struggled on through something. Though the number of choke points where respawning enemies would come charging down stairs at you ad infinitum took us into the horrible side of Call Of Duty (... no lets not do the CoD dance again)

I didn't like the bridge all that much after the first Holy Shit feeling, but the train is one of the better FPS levels I have played. I'll admit that the visual presentation had a lot to do with that, but the tight combat really worked there. I think that's where you first got to fight a few of the more lethal Helghast variants, and the grenades being affected by the wind was a nice touch. The courtyard could have been amazing, but by that time I was done with the "theater of war" thing.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:24:28 PM »

It sounds like they are working for real on the variety so I'm on board, but the shit that people make gifs out of doesn't tickle me right. Gouging eyes, snapping necks, I think I'm past that. If it's like Gears where it's so over the top that it becomes happy splatter of it then sure, but Guerrilla seems intent on keeping (intentional) comedy to a minimum.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:26:27 PM »

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:30:06 PM »

Dude's awesome, too bad he's pimping Sony games.

demi · « **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:32:36 PM »

Just got home from the office, will try to play this again... lol

pilonv1 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:36:03 PM »

So Killzone 3 has 70 minutes of cutscenes...

The Sceneman · « **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:37:45 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2011, 05:30:06 PM

Dude's awesome, too bad he's pimping Sony games.

imagine that dude pimping Sega Saturn or some shit

Purple Filth · « **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:48:53 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on January 13, 2011, 05:36:03 PM

So Killzone 3 has 70 minutes of cutscenes...

they got some decent names for something (note they are on the Helgan side

)

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2011, 06:09:19 PM »

Why do so many PS3 games have laggy controls? Is it because so many SPUs are used in graphics rendering for the PS3? I remember reading somewhere that input lag is one of the disadvantages of multithreaded games.

Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 13, 2011, 02:30:34 PM

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 13, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
So even the graphics aren't that great? But graphics god dark10x said that Killzone 2 looked better than Crysis.
The graphics are really, really nice. game fucking sucks though. It controls like Lair: The Shooter

Ha, it's been so long since anyone brought up Lair. How was that turd forgotten? It was responsible for many great EB moments with Abrader shilling it and TVC ripping it apart.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 13, 2011, 06:16:04 PM »

Is Factor 5 still around?

demi · « **Reply #39 on:** January 13, 2011, 06:21:42 PM »

uh, they've been long dead.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #40 on:** January 13, 2011, 06:23:53 PM »

Putting aside whether Factor 5's games were actually fun, they did some great stuff technically on Nintendo consoles. I always wondered if they failed so miserably because Sony made them create a showpiece for the PS3's 1080P and six-axis capabilities.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #41 on:** January 13, 2011, 09:23:13 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on January 13, 2011, 08:40:54 PM

Didn't factor 5 do some shady shit that involved starting a new company and whatever?

The German branch is still around, btw.

From Wikipedia:

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Factor 5 is currently involved in litigation with its former employees in the defunct North American Factor 5 company. The suit alleges that Factor 5 did not pay its employees for work during November and December, that employees were laid off without the required notice by law, that employees did not receive their vacation pay, and that the company misled the employees. The suit is filed in Marin Superior Court.

demi · « **Reply #42 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:15:20 AM »

I fnally found a sniper rifle, and apparently you cant aim for shit if you dont have the controller even.

God damn this game is abysmal

duckman2000 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 15, 2011, 07:40:46 PM »

That's like the only cool use of the sixaxis, ever

demi · « **Reply #44 on:** January 15, 2011, 07:44:19 PM »

Ok I am on the final boss...

demi · « **Reply #45 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:22:01 PM »

Wow, why don't they just kill Rico off? Dude caused nothing BUT problems in the entire game. The ending

That was succccch a bad game.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:24:03 PM »

Not sure what the hell they were thinking with Rico. Also not sure why that was the character they decided to keep from Killzone, Luger would have been a hell of a lot more interesting.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #47 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:24:27 PM »

Quote from: Borys on January 13, 2011, 01:09:38 AM

It looks nice and that's it.

FPS on a console =

You can use a keyboard/mouse on 360 and PS3.

demi · « **Reply #48 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:27:06 PM »

I like how Radec put a bullet in his head... that was pretty tight.

demi · « **Reply #49 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »

EVERY gun in the game was complete garbage, except the level-exclusive Lightning Gun. That gun was sweeeeeeeeeeet

maxy · « **Reply #50 on:** January 16, 2011, 04:02:43 AM »

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Killzone has ~4.5GB devoted the the intro of the game in multiple languages, all nicely put into .avi format.

I deleted that shit right quick.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #51 on:** January 16, 2011, 12:16:13 PM »

Raban · « **Reply #52 on:** January 17, 2011, 03:20:00 AM »

I only ever played the demo to Killzone 2 and I didn't encounter problems with the controls. I'm actually curious, can someone give me an example of what they mean when they say the controls are shit? If I understand correctly, do you have to aim with the fucking sixaxis?

demi · « **Reply #53 on:** January 17, 2011, 09:18:29 AM »

It controls for shit because the guns are shit, the sensitivity is shit, and it takes forever to reload. It's like playing in molasses. Horrible game

cool breeze · « **Reply #54 on:** January 17, 2011, 09:56:58 AM »

The guns look beefy and shooting sounds like you create orphans and widows by the bullet. Which is completely ruined by the controls and enemies that soak up damage. Black had a similar problem.

Quote from: Raban on January 17, 2011, 03:20:00 AM

I only ever played the demo to Killzone 2 and I didn't encounter problems with the controls. I'm actually curious, can someone give me an example of what they mean when they say the controls are shit? If I understand correctly, do you have to aim with the fucking sixaxis?

There is a large delay in aiming, it just feels loose, and the turn speed is very slow even at maximum. It also has this weird acceleration spike where fine aim and fast turning isn't balanced at all.

The sixaxis aiming is only with the sniper rifle. Basically all the fine aiming is handled by tilting the controller around, but actually moving the scope around the street is still the right stick. It was supposed to be that you had to keep the rifle still by keeping the controller or something.

demi · « **Reply #55 on:** January 17, 2011, 09:57:52 AM »

Do they soak bullets on easier difficulties? I assumed it was a difficulty thing, playing on Veteran.

cool breeze · « **Reply #56 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:05:54 AM »

I don't remember. I played it normal or hard. I know criticism of the Killzone 3 beta was how fast players get killed. Even in KZ2 multiplayer everyone had large health bars, so it could have been one of the game's quirks.

You could kill an enemy quick if you got a headshot but the guns felt so loose, both in controls and general accuracy. Gears has enemies that take up a lot of damage, but that felt more like design because you aim for their legs to put them down.

demi · « **Reply #57 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:12:57 AM »

I didn't even try online. I just wanted it out of my house. Dropped that off in the mail today.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #58 on:** January 18, 2011, 02:40:10 PM »

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“Thing with Killzone 2 was, there were some quite technical problems in the controls, actually, and I think we’ve solved those now. There was a lot of lag… by fixing those issues we’ve lost a bit of that weighty feeling. We’ve tried to maintain that original experience, but if we’d kept it as slow, we’d run into the danger of losing some people, moving too far away from our competitors.”

http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/18/killzone-3-feels-more-fluid-and-stutters-less-says-guerrilla/#more-138745

I like how it was impossible to tell anybody at the time that there was anything wrong with Killzone 2 controls. And every comment the devs make is how they fixed the laggy controls from the first game.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #59 on:** January 18, 2011, 03:26:48 PM »

I can't still believe how that excuse spread like wildfire, even among some of my friends who never frequent gaming forums or news site. They were literally eating that shit up and it was scary.

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Author Topic: Killzone 2 (Read 3295 times)