Nintendo 3DS thread

[EmCeeGrammar]

Fluidity and Bit Trip Flux came out on the wiiware service recently. You could buy those Damian, they are good , I promise.

[Damian79]

I only play rpg's now.  :/  Those games just dont interest me.

[Great Rumbler]

Sega Genesis fucking owned.

Genesis rocked.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I only play rpg's now.  :/  Those games just dont interest me.

Oh, that's .... uh.... huh.  Can't relate.

[bork]

Sega Genesis fucking owned.

Genesis rocked.

Abso-fucking-lutely.  I had a SNES at the time, and didn't get a Genesis of my own until the Nomad hit in '96.  I ended up liking the Genesis a lot more than the SNES.

[Great Rumbler]

I had a Genesis around 1992 and didn't get an SNES until years and year later. Both rock though [SNES RPGs ZOOOOMG], but I'll always have a soft spot for the Genny.

[Himu]

I got my genesis christmas 1992. first system I ever owned.

i prefer it to snes, but both systems compliment each other so beautifully. snes for the story-based games, genesis for the platformers and action games.

[Joe Molotov]

I had a PSX for RPGs + RE/Silent Hill and a N64 for everything else. Life was good.

High-res PC ports + Bleem for PSX and UltraHLE for everything else.  Life was better. 

Something something comfy couch. 

[Himu]

Mine:

1. Playstation
2. Playstation 2
3. Genesis
4. psp
5. dreamcast
6. snes
7. ds
8. gameboy advance
9. xbox
10. saturn
11. gameboy
12. nes
13. gamecube
14. nintendo 64
15. playstation 3
16. xbox 360
17. wii
18. game gear

[Great Rumbler]

Mine:

1. Playstation
2. Playstation 2
3. Genesis
4. psp
5. dreamcast
6. snes
7. ds
8. gameboy advance
9. xbox
10. saturn
11. gameboy
12. nes
13. gamecube
14. nintendo 64
15. playstation 3
16. xbox 360
17. game gear

lol

[Smooth Groove]

I had a PSX for RPGs + RE/Silent Hill and a N64 for everything else. Life was good.

High-res PC ports + Bleem for PSX and UltraHLE for everything else.  Life was better. 

Something something comfy couch. 

Having a tight ass that can fit in an office chair. 

[Himu]

i enjoyed my original xbox way more than i did my 360. *shrug*

[Joe Molotov]

I had a PSX for RPGs + RE/Silent Hill and a N64 for everything else. Life was good.

High-res PC ports + Bleem for PSX and UltraHLE for everything else.  Life was better. 

Something something comfy couch. 

Having a tight ass that can fit in an office chair. 

pics? 

[Herr Mafflard]

 

[originalz]

Haha, look at all you casual gamers talking about your Sega and Nintendo systems, thinking you were so hardcore.

True gamers were only about PC ENGINE, or TURBOGRAFX-16 to the suckers who got stuck with Keith Courage.  Tons of innovative games, hitting that sweet spot between the 8 and 16-bit era.  Getting a DUO (or CD attachment if you like spending money replacing them) also gave you a huge CD library, right before the FMV "game" boom hit the west so you got actual good CD games with kickass music.  Sure, the majority of quality software never left Japan, but that's not one to stop REAL GAMERS, right?  It's a goddamn shame that NEC completely botched the PCFX and turned it into an anime-box full of FMV crap.

The Genesis also had kind of an underground and indie feel to it before Sonic hit and things exploded.  I guess it's also connected to the state of PC gaming back then, I remember when Phantasy Star 2 came out people were marveling at how it was the kind of game only available on high-end computers at the time.  In a way, the PSP is kind of like the PC Engine, lots of good games released but most westerners will never see them.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The turbographx stuff on the virtual console stuff is pretty great.  I like devil's crush and detana twinbee myself.  Never knew the platform existed back in the day.

[tiesto]

I had a Genesis around 1992 and didn't get an SNES until years and year later. Both rock though [SNES RPGs ZOOOOMG], but I'll always have a soft spot for the Genny.

Genesis RPGs >>> SNES RPGs

Phantasy Star

SNES = my favorite console ever, but Genesis is my second or third (with PS1 also up there, obviously).

Turbo rocks, shame most of the best stuff didn't come our way The Far East of Eden games especially are fantastic. And of course Ys Book 1 and 2, game soundtrack of the forever. I'd imagine that game would have been simply mindblowing to play back in 1990.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think ys is on virtual console dude.

[Sho Nuff]

Devil's Crush
KAZE

[Great Rumbler]

I had a Genesis around 1992 and didn't get an SNES until years and year later. Both rock though [SNES RPGs ZOOOOMG], but I'll always have a soft spot for the Genny.

Genesis RPGs >>> SNES RPGs

Phantasy Star

The Genesis had some good RPGs, but they were very few and very far between. The SNES probably has twice as many RPGs as the PS1, counting the dozens that never crossed the Pacific. Of course, thanks to fan translations they're now playable by filthy Gaijin. There's still quite a few left untranslated though. It's crazy just how many there were.

[Damian79]

Back to the 3ds, where exactly is the "sweetspot" for the 3ds in terms of how far you should be from it?

[cool breeze]

Now back to Sega, remember Road Avenger?

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Your wife was killed in a car accident; jump in your kick ass ride and knock baddies off the road.  The pinnacle of video game story telling.

[AdmiralViscen]

 

[Great Rumbler]

That opening is awesome. Like a mix of Riding Bean and Road Warrior. 

[tiesto]

I think ys is on virtual console dude.

Yup, Ys Book 1 and 2 is on VC, I own the game on Turbo CD, SMS (Ys 1 only), PC and now PSP

[bork]

Haha, look at all you casual gamers talking about your Sega and Nintendo systems, thinking you were so hardcore.

True gamers were only about PC ENGINE, or TURBOGRAFX-16 to the suckers who got stuck with Keith Courage.  Tons of innovative games, hitting that sweet spot between the 8 and 16-bit era.  Getting a DUO (or CD attachment if you like spending money replacing them) also gave you a huge CD library, right before the FMV "game" boom hit the west so you got actual good CD games with kickass music.  Sure, the majority of quality software never left Japan, but that's not one to stop REAL GAMERS, right?  It's a goddamn shame that NEC completely botched the PCFX and turned it into an anime-box full of FMV crap.

The Genesis also had kind of an underground and indie feel to it before Sonic hit and things exploded.  I guess it's also connected to the state of PC gaming back then, I remember when Phantasy Star 2 came out people were marveling at how it was the kind of game only available on high-end computers at the time.  In a way, the PSP is kind of like the PC Engine, lots of good games released but most westerners will never see them.

Neo-Geo, BITCH!   

[demi]

lol. Genesis "RPGs"

The 5 it had... I guess.

[Trent Dole]

LIST WARS

[Great Rumbler]

LIST WARS

List wars are the best wars.

[Diunx]

lol. Genesis "RPGs"

The 5 it had... I guess.

Lunar 1
Lunar 2
................ someone help me out here.

[Great Rumbler]

................ someone help me out here.

Shadowruin
Shining Series
Beyond Oasis
Sword of Vermillion
Dragon Slayer Series
Phantasy Star series
YS3
Arcus Odyssey
etc etc...

Arcus Odyssey came out on the SNES as well. And you really don't want to get into a list war with SNES when it's about RPGs.

[Sho Nuff]

"Games will never be art."

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"I stand corrected."

[Great Rumbler]

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"Games will never be art."

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"I stand corrected."

[iconoclast]

I have a Turbografx, but I never played many games for it. Bomberman was godlike, Bonk was great, Splatterhouse was fun, I remember liking JJ & Jeff and Klax, Street Fighter 1 had the best voice samples ever... and that's all I remember. Detana Twinbee and Rondo of Blood are good too, but I never played TG16 versions.

[originalz]

Final Lap Twin is an amazing and very unknown game for the Grafx, emulate that shit if you haven't played it yet!

Ah, I remember drooling at the coverage of TurboCD games in magazines, looking at games like Ys with their amazing cutscenes and the awesome shooters.  PC Engine is really the only retro system I've gotten into collecting for since the majority of the games were exclusive, unknown, and unreleased overseas.  It's just such a fun system to find shit for since you'll never know what you find and there are some real gems, both on HuCard and CD.  The only problem is that it's a bloody nuisance to manage the memory, and TenNoKoe is before the era of convenient swappable memory cards.  Memory Bank 128 would be perfect if all games supported it, instead of specific ones for some stupid reason.

Amazing how a system known for hardcore arcade-style games would eventually devolve into Tokimeki Memorial-style anime crap in the last few years, and ride those games into the PC-FX.

[Himu]

Decided to pass on the launch titles aside from Samurai Warriors and I'm just going to catch up on old ds games like Layton.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Maybe you guys noticed the gaf thread, Best Buy has set up 3ds demo stations in the USA.  I'm in Ohio (so applies to brandnew and demi, right?) and went down to check it out in person.  Game is Pilotwings, had some fun with it.  I had to wonder if something was wrong with my eyes because although I could perceive depth on the foreground mii vehicle the background environment still looked like it wasn't stereoscopic.

Some stuff is going to take some getting used to that I've never considered.

  Basically, when you're looking "in" to the 3ds and say, flying through hoops, much like in real life you focus on the distant object or the near object.  What happens in pilotwings is that you constantly have to readjust your focus between the hoops coming at you and your avatar in relation to those hoops.  I imagine it would be the same thing in every game that has you controlling an object (car, person, etc) thats traveling through a world.  Its kinda hard to explain but I can understand why people are having headaches.  I didn't get sick but my eyes did start to feel tired a few minutes after I walked away.

Pilotwings itself seems like a fun game, I like that there is free flight mode to just explore the island.

[tiesto]

NEW ROCKET SLIME COMING FOR 3DS!!!

[Himu]

i didn't think rocket slime was as good as everyone else but it was fun

[Shaka Khan]

I freaking loved Rocket Slime. This is great news.

[EmCeeGrammar]

   I went back to the demo today and was able to force my way into the home menu stuff.  Don't ask me how I don't even know what buttons I pushed to initiate it. 

   Whats good/bad is that there IS messaging for people on your friends list, problem is its a very short limit, probably 20 something characters including spaces.  Enough for "mario kart?" but not enough for "are you up for mario kart?" or hatemail.  The 3d camera is pretty cool but I could only take pictures of shelves.  The mii maker using the front camera isn't that impressive considering you have to tell it your hair, skin color, gender and other factors before it even tries and then afterwards you will probably still have to do corrections. 

All in all, I was probably tinkering with stuff for about half and hour and haven't felt any ill effects.  I imagine its going to effect each person differently though.

[Shaka Khan]

20 characters?! That's just a weird and arbitrary limitation. Don't tell me it's another pedo counter measure?

"My dick your mouth"

Nope.

[Himu]

in official nintendo mag

Super Street Fighter IV 3D - 91%
Ridge Racer 3D - 87%
Nintendogs + Cats - 84%
Pilotwings Resort - 81%
Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars - 80%
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D - 78%
Asphalt 3D - 70%
Super Monkey Ball 3D - 70%

no scores for samurai warriors or steel diver

[Smooth Groove]

I checked it out yesterday at BB.  No one was there so I got to play around with it undisturbed for 10 minutes.  On first glance, the system seems to be an upgraded version of the DS.  Nothing fancy but the same reliable design.  The new analog slider was the main thing that stood out.  It felt great.  Once I started playing Pilotwings, I just forgot that I was using a slider instead of a stick, unlike with a PSP.  Just for comparison, I checked out the nearby PSP-GO and it just felt after playing the 3DS.

The 3D was much better than I expected.  I think people are really selling it short.  I've tried Nvidia 3D before and this was almost on par with it.  On pilotwings, the depth seems to go back about 5 inches on full effects.  Also impressive is the seamless switch from 2d to 3d.  The drawback is that viewing angle is narrower than 3D with glasses.  Vertical viewing angle seems to have a big impact on how well the 3D works.  Still, the 3D worked fairly well even when I wasn't at the optimal angle.  I did lose focus a couple of times but turning down the effect a little helped, as well as just getting adjusted to the 3D.  I didn't experience any sore eyes or headache but my gaming session was probably too short to tell.  In terms of graphics, Pilotwing's visuals look a bit too simple on 2D but once 3D is on, it's easily more appealing to look at than most PSP games.  The 3D does a lot to hide the lower fidelity of the visuals and gets you to focus on the 3D instead.  I honestly believe how 3D is used will be more important to how 3DS games look than anythign else. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Yeah, in a way 3d sidesteps aliasing and resolution to a certain extent.  That might just be the novelty of it at the moment though.  As far as regular consumers are concerned I imagine the graphics yields of ngp or iphone are going to be nil because the perceived prowess is going to be with autostereoscopic 3d in the handheld space.

[Diunx]

Games look more appealing than the ones on a six years old portable? SOLD!

[Smooth Groove]

Even without the power of the Cell^TM and Blu-ray, 3DS does 3d better than the PS3.   

[EmCeeGrammar]

Then again, wii and ds proved hardly any one really gives a shit about graphical prowess.  I still think the 3d was probably Nintendo's best bet at differentiating themselves from the competition without having to engage in an arms race.

[Himu]

Even without the power of the Cell^TM and Blu-ray, 3DS does 3d better than the PS3.   

NINTENDO

[Smooth Groove]

Then again, wii and ds proved hardly any one really gives a shit about graphical prowess.  I still think the 3d was probably Nintendo's best bet at differentiating themselves from the competition without having to engage in an arms race.

Overgeneralization. It depends on the games.  If I'm just flailing my arms, pretending to play a sport against another dummy, then yes, graphics don't matter.  NBA2K is a completely different matter and most players of that game would agree that the graphical presentation plays a big role in making NBA2K enjoyable. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

Then again, wii and ds proved hardly any one really gives a shit about graphical prowess.  I still think the 3d was probably Nintendo's best bet at differentiating themselves from the competition without having to engage in an arms race.

Overgeneralization. It depends on the games.  If I'm just flailing my arms, pretending to play a sport against another dummy, then yes, graphics don't matter.  NBA2K is a completely different matter and most players of that game would agree that the graphical presentation plays a big role in making NBA2K enjoyable. 

What I'm saying is that the majority of gamers these days are farmvilling, IOSing, or justdancing and similar stuff.  They don't need unreal engine 4.

[maxy]

When Nintendo's global president Satoru Iwata rocked this year's Game Developers Conference with his controversial comments about developers of social and mobile games, there were a lot of questions. Was the company showing fear? Was it being too rigid in its thinking? Was Iwata actually right on the money?

A few people, though, were asking a more practical question: If the company felt this new breed of garage developers (like Rovio in its early days or Tiny Wings developer Andreas Illiger) were undervaluing their games, why not establish an opportunity for them to sell to the Nintendo audience at higher prices?

But Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime says that's not in the cards – near-term or long-term.

"I would separate out the true independent developer vs. the hobbyist," says Fils-Aime. "We are absolutely reaching out to the independent developer."

"Where we've drawn the line is we are not looking to do business today with the garage developer. In our view, that’s not a business we want to pursue."

Many of the developers making the sorts of games referred to in the keynote, he says, are similar to amateur musicians who hold down other jobs. That's a different class than people who make their living creating games.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33595/Interview_Reggie_FilsAime_On_Garage_Devs_And_The_Value_Of_Software.php

Nintendo now shits on "garage devs" and yet young Iwata was exactly that...nice,it will bite them in their fat asses

[EmCeeGrammar]

Garage devs can't afford their royalties and devkits, of course they don't value them. 

[Diunx]

So nintendo only wants hollywood gaming on the 3ds?

[magus]

devs not wanted? i don't see how it differs from nintendo usual strategy

[Shaka Khan]

As far as regular consumers are concerned I imagine the graphics yields of ngp or iphone are going to be nil because the perceived prowess is going to be with autostereoscopic 3d in the handheld space.

iawtp

[Raban]

Got to play around with a 3DS at Best Buy yesterday. Pilotwings is a pretty cool game. The 3D doesn't work for me, and also gave me a headache

Other than that, it's a solid handheld, just...not worth $250. I'd love to play OoT on [a hardware revision of] that thing.

[bork]

I don't even care about the 3D.  I just see this hardware as Nintendo FINALLY catching up with the PSP, and hopefully getting good third-party support.

The lure of portable SSF4 is just too much for me to resist and I'm looking forward to the Warriors Orochi-like character switching system in Samurai Warriors at launch.  Getting Ridge Racer for the hell of it.  Looking forward to Dead Or Alive: Rehash Edition.  Beyond the upcoming RE games though, I have no idea what else I really want. 

[magus]

the various level 5 games? i mean that's the only thing that looks remotely interessing so far anyway....

[bork]

Don't care about RPGs and Layton.