3DS Discussion Thread

[chronovore]

It's so strange to walk into major retailers and see them with Nintendo stock so soon after launch.

Stranger still to see so many places with discounted Nintendo hardware, so soon after launch.

[maxy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-15-the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-review

10/10

Savior has arrived
 

 

[magus]

It's a wonderful thing, but as a result it's relatively easy to get lost or stuck

stuck? in ocarina? oh god

two qualities that I personally feel have atrophied over the past decade as games have become increasingly terrified to let you work anything out for yourself.

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The modern answer to this is the inclusion of Shiekah Stones, giant Gossip Stones that appear in the Temple of Time and other start points. (There's still no autosave; turn the game off and you'll resume at the start of whichever dungeon you're exploring, in little Link's treehouse, or in the Temple. Instead of saving and quitting, it's much more convenient to close the 3DS lid.)

These offer video clips that show you where to go next, or illustrate the answers to tricky puzzles

MODERN GAMES ARE SCARED OF LETTING YOU FIGURE THINGS BUT IT'S A GOOD THING THAT ZELDA HAS THESE HELPFUL VIDEO THAT TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT TO DO NEXT

[Diunx]

Nintards being idiots? Shocking!

[magus]

That's another thing that has been largely forgotten since Ocarina of Time first came out: the joy of traversal. If you want to go somewhere in Ocarina's Hyrule, you have to walk there on your own two feet or ride there with Epona as the sun rises and sets, with no fast-travel, no helpful narrative segue that conveniently deposits you exactly where you need to be. You're supposed to wonder, and to wander. You're invariably rewarded for it.

wonder and wander diunx
wonder and wander!

[Great Rumbler]

There's definitely a bit too many vociferous laudations in that review.

[Diunx]

Oh man! Wander and wonder!

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guess they haven't play shadow of the colossus

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[Van Cruncheon]

what is it about ocarina that inspires distinguished mentally-challenged from reviewers :'(

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[archie4208]

what is it about ocarina that inspires distinguished mentally-challenged from reviewers :'(

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It does seem to get alot of vociferous laudations from reviewers. 

[Eel O'Brian]

i think "i have no idea where to go" is a valid complaint depending on the game, and as for difficulty as long as i get a "roller coaster ride wooooooooooooo" setting everyone else is welcome to select the "rip out your ball hairs one by one and chew them in frustration" setting

[cool breeze]

watching the giantbomb quick look for duke nukem forever was funny because they were confused (and angry) about where to go.  granted, the level design looked awful, and that was a problem in games like Perfect Dark Zero.

I'd rather have games be designed to be more open with assists for people who need them.  it seems the opposite happens.  Like, Bioshock let you turn off the arrow and shimmering objects.  At least for the shimmering objects, it didn't seem to be designed around that.  The game is really fetch questly and you end up looking for a random object in a random place randomly.

also, if you compare Mario Galaxy to Mario 64, it gives you a more straight forward path to the star.  Mario 64 occasionally just gets stupid and expects you to know that you should shoot the cannon at the edge of a polygon to expose a star.

anyway,
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[Cerveza mas fina]

Crazy Taxi arrows are patented by Sega.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6200138.PN.&OS=PN/6200138&RS=PN/6200138

[Great Rumbler]

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[magus]

so... since when does robin williams looks like a hobo?

[Phoenix Dark]

The 3DS probably would be doing well if Nintendo hadn't rushed it out with no games, and instead waited for Zelda.

[magus]

so... since when does robin williams looks like a hobo?

other than the brief span of his life where he was clean and sober, when has he *not* looked like a hobo of some sort?

seriously is that "santa claus got nothing on me" beard

[EmCeeGrammar]

I am THAT person who gets hopelessly lost in Castlevania and am tempted to just give up on the game, so a superguide/metroid prime hint system is fine by me.

[pilonv1]

Crazy Taxi arrows are patented by Sega.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6200138.PN.&OS=PN/6200138&RS=PN/6200138

Sega, always thinking ahead

[Great Rumbler]

I am THAT person who gets hopelessly lost in Castlevania and am tempted to just give up on the game, so a superguide/metroid prime hint system is fine by me.

Superguides are okay, I don't remember if the hint system in Metroid Prime was optional or not, but if it was, then it's okay too.  If it wasn't, I'd rather throw you in front of a train.

MP's hint system was optional.

[naff]

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Man, that's embarrassing

[Sho Nuff]

I am not wholly confident in that commercial's message

[cool breeze]

It's about alzheimer's disease

[bachikarn]

also incest

[Nintendosbooger]

Too soon to rule the 3DS out, especially since its predecessor is only at the tail end of its illustrious career. This holiday season will be the real test. If it suffers underperforming sales then, well...there's always Pokemon!

[EmCeeGrammar]

3ds still has mario, mariokart, animal crossing coming and a hypothetical -yet likely- rhythm heaven/pokemon/tomadachi connection title to fall back on in japan.  Arguably some of the biggest properties there bar monster hunter.  I think Resident Evil Revelations will do a'ight.  Mgs3d less so.  If/when the level 5 stuff materialises it should be a boon to the system. 

As for america,  I'm not confident.  The western support is nil. Luigi's mansion 2 isn't a serious system seller.  I think only mario and mariokart are at this point.

[AdmiralViscen]

Its gonna be hard to hold blue ocean gimmick casuals to the hardcores 'keep investing in new hardware' tempo

[maxy]

3DS will do fine,Nintendo still has few games that will make mass market crazy and most importantly they are exclusive--buy Nintendo or fuck off

Sony on the other hand has nothing like that,they will probably be stronger out of the gate(tech,tech,tech) and then drop to the bottom.

Western handheld support will be*

-one decent game per year
-imagine babies

Nintendo should win there but not like with DS

*first year not counted

[magus]

eeehhh i'm sorry but i don't see it like that,people already own an animal crossing game,a mario game,a mario kart game... these people have no reason to pay 300 bucks for game they already owns,if they didn't operate under these logic then the 3DS would have been a huge success and we would see nintendogs and layton on top of the chart once again

the only game that it's going to make a difference is pokemon and by the time it hits,i expect psvita of having take more ground on a simple "japanese developer will do game for it" aspect

[maxy]

you underestimate Nintendo(fans),i think

[archie4208]

DK '94 hit the 3DS VC?  Glad to see the system finally get a good game. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

eeehhh i'm sorry but i don't see it like that,people already own an animal crossing game,a mario game,a mario kart game... these people have no reason to pay 300 bucks for game they already owns,if they didn't operate under these logic then the 3DS would have been a huge success and we would see Nintendo Dogs and layton on top of the chart once again

the only game that it's going to make a difference is pokemon and by the time it hits,i expect psvita of having take more ground on a simple "japanese developer will do game for it" aspect

People don't buy sequels to popular franchises?  Hell, Animal Crossing City folk was pretty much a more refined version of Wild World and still sold 3 million+.  Same with mariokart, same with New Super Mario Bros, etc. (Which are at what, 15 million+ apiece?)

I also forgot Smash which is a guaranteed million seller in every territory while also moving mucho consoles.  But I don't think we'll see Smash 3ds/WiiU for 3 years

[bork]

DK '94 hit the 3DS VC?  Glad to see the system finally get a good game. 

It's just the B/W GB version though.  Why the fuck didn't they make it the Super Gameboy-enhanced version? 

[Eel O'Brian]

so they can sell you that version a few months from now

[Sho Nuff]

I am hearing that the eShop has plenty of bandwidth and everyone is able to easily purchase what they want from it

I also heard that I am dating 1996-era Sandra Bullock

[Eel O'Brian]

two hours?  really?  i knew the battery life was pretty short, but that's just ridiculous

[pilonv1]

Two hours is perfect for gaming sessions, why would anyone want to play longer than that. Thank goodness for Nintendo thinking about the children of today by limiting how much time they can spend on gaming

[Eel O'Brian]

they should probably think about doubling the battery size on the next iteration and calling it the 3ds heavy

[Cerveza mas fina]

I think two hours is about Game Gear time.

Of course Game Gear was cutting edge tech for the time, not like 3DS.

[Damian79]

ugh, just got two hours off a full charge

this is the worst handheld since the game gear

Why dont you have the nyko battery pack addon?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Since when do you need to buy 3rd party products to make a product functional?

[Damian79]

Good point but still.  Its $20, why wouldnt you?

[maxy]

[magus]

eeehhh i'm sorry but i don't see it like that,people already own an animal crossing game,a mario game,a mario kart game... these people have no reason to pay 300 bucks for game they already owns,if they didn't operate under these logic then the 3DS would have been a huge success and we would see Nintendo Dogs and layton on top of the chart once again

the only game that it's going to make a difference is pokemon and by the time it hits,i expect psvita of having take more ground on a simple "japanese developer will do game for it" aspect

People don't buy sequels to popular franchises?  Hell, Animal Crossing City folk was pretty much a more refined version of Wild World and still sold 3 million+.  Same with mariokart, same with New Super Mario Bros, etc. (Which are at what, 15 million+ apiece?)

I also forgot Smash which is a guaranteed million seller in every territory while also moving mucho consoles.  But I don't think we'll see Smash 3ds/WiiU for 3 years

As of March 31, 2009, all versions of Nintendo Dogs combined have sold 22.27 million copies worldwide,[4] making it the third best-selling standalone game of all time.

if the third best-selling standalone game of all time bombs because it's the same shit i really can't see this not happening to animal crossing and mario kart

for the record i'm not saying that "sequel to popular game franchise don't sell" just that they can't attract all the 22 million that bought mario kart ds by giving them mario kart again because 20 million of these people probably would go "ehy i already own mario kart on a device i own,why do i need to spend 300 bucks to play it again?"

[maxy]

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So turns out 3DS tie ratio is 1.23. Not too hot, considering there is nothing big until the holiday season. Wonder if we will see the hardware sales drop below PSP during the year.

May software sales per platform, for those who are interested:
360 >>>>>> Wii = PS3 > DS >>>>>> PSP >> 3DS

[Cerveza mas fina]

Everybody expects 3DS to top PSP this week/month cause of 13 year old game   

[maxy]

In Japan?

I think it will,last week difference was about 2k.

[Cerveza mas fina]

For PSP?

[maxy]

Yeah

|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year |        YTD |   Last YTD |         LTD |           
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|  PSP  |    26.750 |    30.217 |    22.380 |  1.040.345 |  1.030.090 |  17.690.557 |     
|  3DS  |    24.649 |    27.357 |         0 |  1.089.548 |          0 |   1.089.548 |     

Zelda is selling well,according to gaf

[Eel O'Brian]

it's $129 with an excellent back catalog of games, as opposed to $250 with jack and shit for games (right now)

[Cerveza mas fina]

Also PSP games look the same as 3DS games mostly, it has better battery life too and a bigger screen.

[Diunx]

Everybody expects 3DS to top PSP this week/month cause of 13 year old game  

Not underestimate how starve nintards are for a game.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Except N64 already had Mario, Pilotwings, Blast Corps, Banjo Kazooie, F-Zero X, Diddy Kong Racing, Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 when OOT launched! (this also means that the first two years of N64 from Mario to Zelda were better then all the years of the Wii combined).

So the conditions are even better now for Nintendo to sell shitloads.

Nintendo

[AdmiralViscen]

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So turns out 3DS tie ratio is 1.23. Not too hot, considering there is nothing big until the holiday season. Wonder if we will see the hardware sales drop below PSP during the year.

May software sales per platform, for those who are interested:
360 >>>>>> Wii = PS3 > DS >>>>>> PSP >> 3DS

Well, 3DS was able to kill off the DS. Great job

[EmCeeGrammar]

so they can sell you that version a few months from now

This issue would be related to the emulator software, which they have never charged for.

[EmCeeGrammar]

And those japanese numbers reek of pre ds era figures.  Its a pissing match with very little piss accounted for at this point.  I cry for japan.

[Stoney Mason]

Except N64 already had Mario, Pilotwings, Blast Corps, Banjo Kazooie, F-Zero X, Diddy Kong Racing, Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 when OOT launched! (this also means that the first two years of N64 from Mario to Zelda were better then all the years of the Wii combined).

That's the crazy thing. I was watching the GiantBomb quick look for Ocarina of Time on the 3DS and I can literally transport myself back to playing Mario 64 and Zelda and just being completely blown away because they were both so revolutionary and felt cutting edge for their time. While I think both of those series will always be solid because Nintendo is solid, I kinda feel the same away I feel about Disney. That the revolutionary days are gone and its more about good iterations from here until eternity. Which I can't really fault them too much on because that is what everybody does. It does make you appreciate the past a lot more though.

It's weird because on the software side nobody considers Nintendo cutting edge anymore. They are considered sort of established very good craftsmen but not revolutionary. But I can easily remember the periods when Nintendo was as cutting edge as any devs out there. They were on the forefront.

[Oblivion]

Eagerly anticipating the next OoT review from Mr. Erickson.

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[Sho Nuff]

I honestly have no idea what that Zelda commercial is saying

[bork]

ugh, just got two hours off a full charge

this is the worst handheld since the game gear

Why dont you have the nyko battery pack addon?

Cuz it has a nasty rubbery smell and strips the screwheads on your DS cover?

Two hours is too low though.  I usually get four or more on a charge, but I have the brightness level down and turn off the wi-fi connection when I'm not using it.

[Oblivion]

From Gamesradar:

In 1998, Ocarina was groundbreaking. The size of the world, the number of areas to explore, the scope of the time-traveling story that sees Link change from child to adult and takes him from volcanoes to dungeons to haunted dungeons… it was all unprecedented for a console game. To have such a robust, engrossing experience and have it be the first 3D iteration of The Legend of Zelda was nothing less than mind-blowing. To this day, millions will parade it as the best game of all time.

Like it or not, that’s simply not the case today. Ocarina is particularly bad about dropping excessively vague hints (or no hints at all) as to what to do next. There are a handful of extremely important items (say, the Fire Arrows, Lens of Truth or even Epona) that are buried under a layer of riddles that don’t quite add up. Back in the day, we expected games to be mysterious and obtuse; today, we’re all accustomed to mechanics that lead us from one place to the next, even if it’s on an almost subconscious level. This isn’t about hand-holding or over-tutorializing, which is a whole other problem with games today – it’s about fundamental design, and Ocarina has always had this issue, especially compared to Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.

What a strange complaint.

http://www.gamesradar.com/3ds/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d/review/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-3d-review/a-20110616202423556029/g-2010061610502183083/p-2