3DS Discussion Thread

[pilonv1]

Not that it's needed but more evidence for "not"

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-07-14-nights-at-the-roundtable-interview

Q: Paul, you've just picked up a potentially huge licence at Zoe Mode for Zumba Fitness 2. You're very much in that boxed product, work for hire role - is that where you see the studio's future?

Paul Mottram: Well we've always been, apart from Chime - our first self-published game, which was released I think three days before PSN went down - we've always been work for hire. Where we see the problem is that we have to convince publishers to fund us to make the games - so the problem we're seeing at the minute is too many platforms.

It used to be that ten years ago, it was PS2. So you'd just do PS2 and then maybe some others. But now we're finding that everyone is not knowing what platform is going to succeed - we did our first 3DS title - we got Crush onto that, but we had to delay the release of that because of the success of the platform.

You know it's not doing well when even Sega is delaying games

[EmCeeGrammar]

I do think its a smart decision, but if it becomes common the trend will only reinforce low hardware sales.  I guess the optimal time to launch would be after mario andor pokemon.

[MCD]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437748

MML3 CANCELLED

[cool breeze]

there was another story today about how Sega delayed Crush 3DS due to poor 3DS hardware sales

third parties are fierce

[Himu]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437748

MML3 CANCELLED

That was the last current MM game in production. WHERE AM I GOING TO GET MY MEGA MAN, NOW?!?!?!?

[Damian79]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437748

MML3 CANCELLED

Yeah i just read that.  Very sad, they could have atleast moved it to the psp. 

[Vizzys]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437748

MML3 CANCELLED

reason to buy 3DS now: 0

[Himu]

WHERE.

AM.

I.

GOING.

TO.

GET.

MY.

MEGA.

MAN.

NOW?!?!??!?!?!?!?

[Vizzys]

WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOR

[Himu]

there's no point in life. if there's a life without mega man, i don't want it. what am i living for?

[bork]

It's not like Mega Man Legends was Mega Man anyway.

[Himu]

But we now we don't have any mega man prospects being made (or at least announced). there hasn't been a non-classic MM since what, MMZX, which was kinda on the average scale of things? It's just no lookin' good, man.

[Mr. Gundam]

Mega Man has become just as creepy as Sonic lately.

[Beezy]

Is an X/Zero style Megaman game for XBLA too much to ask for?

[Mr. Gundam]

Mega Man has become just as creepy as Sonic lately.

Nah.  Don't make me post fanart.

Talking about some of the biggest fanboys, not the output of weird porn. 

[Trent Dole]

Goddamn, 3DS am Bomba total. Virtua Boy 2.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Handhelds are dead 

[maxy]

Nintendo

[TakingBackSunday]

wait for DOA zelda megaman Luigi's mansion

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

But we now we don't have any mega man prospects being made (or at least announced). there hasn't been a non-classic MM since what, MMZX, which was kinda on the average scale of things? It's just no lookin' good, man.

There are dozens of Mega Man games for you to play that I doubt most have bothered to play yet.

[magus]

even the crappy battle network sequel on the ds?

[demi]

So... I'm gonna get Dead Rising 3 right.

[Don Flamenco]

http://www.capcom-unity.com/devroom/blog/2011/07/18/a_message_from_capcom

Monday, July 18, 2011, 8:01 PM [General]
Posted By:    GregaMan

We'd like to thank you for your ongoing loyal support of Mega Man Legends 3. Today, however, we must regrettably announce the discontinuation of this project.

From the outset the MML3 Project was intended to give gamers across the world insight and input into the development process. Part of this process includes an assessment of whether the title will go into full production, and is based on a number of criteria with input from different sectors of the company.

Unfortunately it was not felt that the Mega Man Legends 3 Project met the required criteria, and it is with regret that we must announce that the Mega Man Legends 3 Project has been cancelled, meaning that Capcom will not be releasing the Prototype or the full game. Additionally, updates of the Mega Man Legends Developer Room will cease as of today, though the North American Developer Room and its forums will remain open indefinitely.

We can only express our deepest apologies to all of you who have lent us your unending support, including participation in the Mega Man Legends 3 Developer Room. On behalf of the entire Legends team, please accept our sincere apology for failing to meet the expectations of the fans.

We thank you all so much for your extended support of this title and this community, and we hope that you will continue to support the Mega Man franchise as well as other Capcom games.

If you have any questions, please see the FAQ below.

====================

Q: Are there plans to restart the Mega Man Legends 3 Project in the future?

A: Currently there are none.



Q: I want to maintain contact with the people I met through the Devroom.

A: The Dev Room will remain open in a limited capacity, so you can PM those people now and in the future.

 

Q: Is there a chance the ideas recruited in the Devroom will be used in future games?

A: No, I am afraid not.

 

Q: Will it be okay to upload the ideas we contributed to the Devroom elsewhere?

A: Yes, you may reuse your ideas elsewhere, including those ideas that were selected as winners in Devroom events.

 

Q: Will the people whose ideas were supposed to go in the game receive something else instead?

A:Yes, those whose ideas were to be implemented in the game will receive a commemorative gift, which will be shipped at a later date.

 

Q.Can you please give me more information on why the MML3 project was cancelled so close to the launch of the Prototype?

A. The project was cancelled for the reasons outlined in the statement.

 

Q.Will the Prototype Version still be distributed via the Nintendo eShop?

A.No it will not.

 

Q.Is the cancellation of MML3 related to the departure of Inafune-san?

A. The cancellation of the MML3 project is in no way related to Inafune-san leaving the company.

 

Q. This is the second Mega Man game cancelled this year, what does this mean for the future of the Mega Man Franchise?

A. Mega Man is still an important franchise within Capcom’s portfolio and we will continue to pursue opportunities to create new titles in the series.

 

Q. The Dev Room was a place where fans were supposed to be deeply involved in the creation of this product, why were they not involved in the decision to cancel this product?

A. We thank all those who were involved in the Developer Room, but the decision to continue or cancel the MML3 ultimately had to be made by Capcom.

 

Q. What will happen to the ideas and input participants have given to the Dev Room?

A. Content will remain viewable on the Devroom, but will not be utilized for any future projects.

 

Q. Will there be any future projects that involve fan participation in this manner? Or was this a one time experiment?

A. We will certainly continue to welcome suggestions and comments from Capcom’s community on current and future titles although right now there are no projects with plans to replicate the same level of interaction. 

 

I'm honestly confused as to why this was so hyped...the first two sucked.   

[Don Flamenco]

I guess it's not threadworthy. 

No, I agree its not 

so, sega game canceled, MML3 canceled...sucks the 3DS lost 50% of its library.

[magus]

i guess he's talking about crush? that got delayed not canceled

and it's not like the 3ds would lose much from a psp port of a game nobody except internet nerd cared about

[Don Flamenco]

oh yeah, crush was delayed. 

oh well

[Purple Filth]

Not suprised at MML3 being cancelled.


And the 3DS "fall from grace" has been spectacular so far    but you can never count out Nintendo yet.

[Great Rumbler]

I still maintain that if Nintendo drops the price and starts releasing some actual games [no, N64 ports and rehashes don't count] they'll see a surge in sales that could easily be maintained. Unfortunately, they've shown a staunch refusal to do either.

[Himu]

If Capcom puts Monster Hunter at Vita on launch...it's over

[Himu]

[Himu]

here's hoping Shinobi comes out on vita.

i just can't justify buying a 3ds until a 3ds lite

[cool breeze]

Shinobi 3DS was also delayed from September to November 15th

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think you guys are enjoying a state of disrepair that you have manufactured in your minds for the most part.

Almost every system has a dodgy first year.  I think the ps2 and wii and gba were the only systems that came out performing strongly in the marketplace if not having a wide dearth of software.  I do think they need to adjust prices and at least seriously try to shamelessly copy certain attributes of the ios app store.

[Third]

People underestimate the smartphone business. Handheld gaming has changed. You can play handheld games on so many portable high-end machines nowadays.

PSV is different because it actually offers value with its great cutting edge portable technology. The 3DS is pretty lame on this regard.

[EmCeeGrammar]

People underestimate the smartphone business. Handheld gaming has changed. You can play handheld games on so many portable high-end machines nowadays.

PSV is different because it actually offers value with its great cutting edge portable technology. The 3DS is pretty lame on this regard.

You're delusional if you think the vita isn't susceptible to the same problems the 3ds is going through.

[cool breeze]

Problem isn't so much what's out now, but how little has there is for the near future.  Nintendo has done nothing to say the 3DS will still be going in a years time.  The only new announcement at E3 was Luigi's Mansion 2.

The few other Nintendo titles were at the previous E3, with the exception of Mario.  It looks like: Finished what was already underway, then let the 3DS sink and they move efforts to the Wii U.  Why would third parties invest in the system when Nintendo doesn't seem to.

[Third]

Sure. But the DS became successfull because of its casual games and the use of its touchscreen.  Modern casuals all have super smartphones and play quick simple games on their multitouch machines.

PSP never really rode the casual train.

[Purple Filth]

Sure. But the DS became successfull because of its casual games.  Modern casuals all have super smartphones and play quick simple games on their multitouch machines.

PSP never really rode the casual train.

they tried to but that failed really well  *cough* Marcus *cough*

[EmCeeGrammar]

Problem isn't so much what's out now, but how little has there is for the near future.  Nintendo has done nothing to say the 3DS will still be going in a years time.  The only new announcement at E3 was Luigi's Mansion 2.

The few other Nintendo titles were at the previous E3, with the exception of Mario.  It looks like: Finished what was already underway, then let the 3DS sink and they move efforts to the Wii U.  Why would third parties invest in the system when Nintendo doesn't seem to.

People seem to forget the length of time between announcement and release has shortened for Nintendo.  Skyward Sword is the longest they've gone after announcement since.... Brawl?

Sure. But the DS became successfull because of its casual games and the use of its touchscreen.  Modern casuals all have super smartphones and play quick simple games on their multitouch machines.

PSP never really rode the casual train.

It suffered for it.

[cool breeze]

um, all those 3DS games (Mario Kart, StarFox, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, etc) were announced over a year ago.  by the time most come out in fall, it will be about a year and a half.

this e3 we got Luigi's Mansion 2 coming in 2012
 
again, why would third parties invest in this system?

[magus]

um, all those 3DS games (Mario Kart, StarFox, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, etc) were announced over a year ago.  by the time most come out in fall, it will be about a year and a half.

this e3 we got Luigi's Mansion 2 coming in 2012
 
again, why would third parties invest in this system?

japanese developer don't have any other place to put their wacky jappy game?

[Don Flamenco]

Instead of slowly trickling their releases, Nintendo should just release fucking everything at once. 

Reggie: "Hey motherfuckers, it's launch day so everyone listen the fuck up-- we got mario, we got zelda, we got smash bros, we got pokemon, we got f-zero, we got 3D metroid, we got 2D metroid, we got donkey kong, we got kirby, we got pikmin, we got yoshi, we got warioware, we got excitebikes, excitetrucks, excitebots, excitekittens...we even got Earthbound Trilogy 3D so shut the fuck up, oh and we actually made 2 Zelda games.  That's right, 2 full Zelda games, one cel shaded, one realistic.  Give 3rd parties about a year and those will be the next batch.  All of them.  All of the 3rd parties and Sony too."

[Cerveza mas fina]

Thing is with mobiles you can buy a new game every day play with it until it bores you and you still spend the same amount of money as you would buying 1 3DS game a month.

Third is right when he says the Vita has the cutting edge hardcore thing going on, but even then it will be hard for it. 3DS seems very useless in this market though.

Look I just got this for 70 cents, will keep me playing for weeks. All I need casually on the loo or bus. Same value software on the 3DS would cost me 40$ (anyone remember that Yoshi DS game?) Not to mention I'd have to carry it around with me.

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Next up...for another euro maybe?

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Great Rumbler]

Instead of slowly trickling their releases, Nintendo should just release fucking everything at once. 

Reggie: "Hey motherfuckers, it's launch day so everyone listen the fuck up-- we got mario, we got zelda, we got smash bros, we got pokemon, we got f-zero, we got 3D metroid, we got 2D metroid, we got donkey kong, we got kirby, we got pikmin, we got yoshi, we got warioware, we got excitebikes, excitetrucks, excitebots, excitekittens...we even got Earthbound Trilogy 3D so shut the fuck up, oh and we actually made 2 Zelda games.  That's right, 2 full Zelda games, one cel shaded, one realistic.  Give 3rd parties about a year and those will be the next batch.  All of them.  All of the 3rd parties and Sony too."

[Eel O'Brian]

I still maintain that if Nintendo drops the price and starts releasing some actual games [no, N64 ports and rehashes don't count] they'll see a surge in sales that could easily be maintained. Unfortunately, they've shown a staunch refusal to do either.

i'd bet anything the fanboy reaction from the E3 unveiling added $50 to the launch price

[Great Rumbler]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

[Damian79]

I still maintain that if Nintendo drops the price and starts releasing some actual games [no, N64 ports and rehashes don't count] they'll see a surge in sales that could easily be maintained. Unfortunately, they've shown a staunch refusal to do either.

i'd bet anything the fanboy reaction from the E3 unveiling added $50 to the launch price

Agreed.

[pilonv1]

Why would they release anything but ports and re-hashes when the only people who own them right now are tragic n-things who will buy the same game 7-8 times? There's no need.

Of course this strategy has a lifespan, which I sometimes wonder if Nintendo realises

[Purple Filth]

I think you guys are enjoying a state of disrepair that you have manufactured in your minds for the most part.

Almost every system has a dodgy first year.  I think the ps2 and wii and gba were the only systems that came out performing strongly in the marketplace if not having a wide dearth of software.  I do think they need to adjust prices and at least seriously try to shamelessly copy certain attributes of the ios app store.

I think the doom and gloom is a touch heavy (to be expected around these parts), but I also think to say there's nothing wrong or unusual here is sticking your head in the sand.  For the first month or two, it was easy to write things off as the usual birth pangs.  Until E3, it was easy to say the software situation was going to get better.  But here and now, the sales are still in the toilet, there's no indication at all when or if they're going to get better, the hardware is getting discounted even in Japan, E3 did absolutely nothing for new titles that could help the 3DS break out of its sales malaise, and the overall software picture is somehow worse now than it was a couple months ago.

I'm not saying the system is done or anything, and I like to wait a year before passing any major sales judgements, but right now, it's looking a lot like the PS3, acting a lot like the PS3, and the people denying/defending are sounding an awful lot like the PS3tards.

Yea they have a " <insert game> will save the 3DS" list now 

[cool breeze]

fwiw, my PS3 was a blu-ray player and PS2 game upscaler in its first year.  I played Resistance and, uh, Heavenly Sword.

I've probably like my 3DS more at this point because it has Zelda OoT with better graphics.  All I've really used it for is Pilotwings, Zelda, and like a minute of that free Excitebike.

edit: oh shit I had calling all cars too for the ps3! and I remember buying Spider-Man 3 for it for the unlockable Green Goblin character, but it ran so poorly I went back to the store and exchanged it for the 360 version. 

actually checking a list, Virtua Fighter 5 was the first game I really liked on the PS3.  Even imported a Virtua Stick High Grade for it.

ok, nevermind.  PS3 had a better first year than the 3DS so far.

[pilonv1]

3DS has Netflix now

[bork]

fwiw, my PS3 was a blu-ray player and PS2 game upscaler in its first year.  I played Resistance and, uh, Heavenly Sword.

I've probably like my 3DS more at this point because it has Zelda OoT with better graphics.  All I've really used it for is Pilotwings, Zelda, and like a minute of that free Excitebike.

edit: oh shit I had calling all cars too for the ps3! and I remember buying Spider-Man 3 for it for the unlockable Green Goblin character, but it ran so poorly I went back to the store and exchanged it for the 360 version. 

actually checking a list, Virtua Fighter 5 was the first game I really liked on the PS3.  Even imported a Virtua Stick High Grade for it.

ok, nevermind.  PS3 had a better first year than the 3DS so far.

I don't remember the PS3 having a particularly-exciting first year.  And its launch software pretty much sucked.  Most system launches kind of blow; I agree with giving the console a year or so to see how things really turn out.

In the 3DS' case, I'm content with what's out (I play the shit out of SSF4, DOA, and Mercs), but I can easily see myself dropping this system once the Vita is out.

[The Sceneman]

again, the catch is theres no sign of anything in the pipeline for 3DS. Sure, the first year of a console will generally blow, but you know the sweet games are coming. With 3DS theres... nothing. Jack shit was shown at E3 which is a VERY bad sign.

Basically this thing was rushed out the door and it shows.

[Sho Nuff]

I was looking at my coworker's, he's got big ol scratches down the side of the 3D screen 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

this thing looks more and more like it was never meant to exist at all

Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius ... Dimensius

[bork]

again, the catch is theres no sign of anything in the pipeline for 3DS. Sure, the first year of a console will generally blow, but you know the sweet games are coming. With 3DS theres... nothing. Jack shit was shown at E3 which is a VERY bad sign.

Basically this thing was rushed out the door and it shows.

The lack of titles at E3 didn't surprise me...it seems like everything is coming from Japan and I expect there to be more at TGS.  There's still the next Resident Evil, Beyond The Labrynth, Mario, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Starfox, Tekken, an unnamed Arika-made fighter (using characters from Street Fighter EX),  Crush3d, a Kingdom Hearts title, MGS Snake Eater, Tales Of The Abyss, and more announced/dated already.

Whether or not you give a shit about any of that is a different story!  I pretty much just want RE Revelations, Crushed, and MGS right now.  Tekken would be a given, but who the hell knows when that is actually coming out, and Snake Eater on PS3/360 kind of kills a lot of the momentum that the 3DS version might have had.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/842-as-sales-slip-nintendo-faces-uncertain-future

mainstream press pile-on

[maxy]

Hey now, Sega's great. The Dreamcast was revolutionary for it's time but stupid Sony managed to dupe enough idiots into pick their piece of crap hardware instead. Video games would be much more advanced if Sony hadn't ruined it for Sega. I guess I hope Nintendo continues to do well, but they need to stop forcing so much Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon down their fans' throats.

[Great Rumbler]

http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/842-as-sales-slip-nintendo-faces-uncertain-future

mainstream press pile-on

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

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[EmCeeGrammar]

AssCree3ds was cancelled in 2010 before the 3ds came out.  I think this is a first.  Massive withdrawal of western support for a nintendo system BEFORE it releases.