Forget it, Kosma. It's Chinatown.

[Smooth Groove]

It's possbile that merely refusing to watch those movies is only an empty gesture but wouldn't actually watching them point one into the negative direction?

I'm not just saying this for the sake of argument.  I grew up in LA and was a Lakers fan for many years.  However, I no longer support the Lakers because I think Kobe is a bastard.  Although some of Kobe's on court actions have irked me as well, I mostly detest him for the person that he is off the court. 

[Oblivion]

Typical hypocrites. Here you guys are railing against pedophilia, yet simultaneously have absolutely no problem using Socrates' dialectical method against Kosma. 

[Tauntaun]

Typical hypocrites. Here you guys are railing against pedophilia, yet simultaneously have absolutely no problem using Socrates' dialectical method against Kosma. 

It's pronounced So-crates dude.

[Bocsius]

Have you ever heard of Plato? Aristotle? Socrates?

Morons.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wow Whoopi Goldberg is a fucking asshole.

Going back to Whoopi

What the fuck, Whoopi? Also, this is like the first time Elizabeth Hasslebeck (sp?) has said something that's not completely distinguished mentally-challenged.

That's not her

[Oblivion]

That's not her

?

edit: Oh, shit. I didn't see the video. I was just listening to the audio and it sounded like her. That explains a lot.

[Bocsius]

That's not her

If she wasn't there, then the didn't say something completely distinguished mentally-challenged. I think you'll have to concede the point.

[AdmiralViscen]

That's not her

?

edit: Oh, shit. I didn't see the video. I was just listening to the audio and it sounded like her. That explains a lot.

They sound identical lol. I had to rewind it and squint.

[OptimoPeach]

Seriously, I think Kosma is making a good point about the hypocrisy of viewing the work of someone who you morally have a problem with.

Sure -- if you're a naive, idealistic manchild. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Burzum to listen to

[Great Rumbler]

It's possbile that merely refusing to watch those movies is only an empty gesture but wouldn't actually watching them point one into the negative direction?

If you cut out every artist that committed a crime, did something you disagree with, or holds some view you don't agree with, then you're really not going to be left with much.

Now, I won't hold it against you if you don't want to watch his movies, it's certainly your prerogative not to, but I don't think people who DO watch his movies are somehow supportive of raping an underage girl and then fleeing justice.

[Dickie Dee]

OMG I want to watch Naked Gun 33-1/3 but I'm also anti-stabbing, WHAT DO I DO BORE?

[Flannel Boy]

OMG I want to watch Naked Gun 33-1/3 but I'm also anti-stabbing, WHAT DO I DO BORE?

If you watch it, you might as well be plunging that knife into Nicole Simpson.

[Smooth Groove]

I also want to mention that I change the channel whenever I hear R Kelly's "I believe I can fly".  I don't need to be inspired by a fucking pedo. 

[Flannel Boy]

I also change the channel whenever "I Believe I Can Fly" comes on because the song sucks.

[Smooth Groove]

It was alright when I used to associate it with Michael Jordan and Space Jam.  Now I can't help but think that it's just a metaphor for Kelly's delusions of pedo grandeur. 

[Flannel Boy]

bububu the judge tricked him!!!

[Boogie]

Sure guys take the easy way out, only listen to your moral core when it's convenient to you. That's real backbone there.

Put your money where your mouth is.

My moral core made me $85k this year.

[Flannel Boy]

Sure guys take the easy way out, only listen to your moral core when it's convenient to you. That's real backbone there.

Put your money where your mouth is.

mouth: Polanski should go to prison!
money:  

How would refusing to watch his movies have helped send him to prison?

[Flannel Boy]

You've just twisted what I said. Good jon.

And I'm sure you've never given a criminal any of your money, especially none of those times you've bought illegal drugs.



Anyway, remember when Kosma claimed that Polanski didn't actually know that she was 13?

[Boogie]

Ya, that's the bitch about court, ain't it? They actually write all that shit down.

[Great Rumbler]

My God, this thread just keeps the hits rolling.  

[Flannel Boy]

Ya, that's the bitch about court, ain't it? They actually write all that shit down.

How do we know that this ALLEGED "VICTIM" didn't type this out herself? I'm just raising doubt here.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Ya, that's the bitch about court, ain't it? They actually write all that shit down.

How do we know that this ALLEGED "VICTIM" didn't type this out herself? I'm just raising doubt here.

That or the prudish notion of American sexuality where drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old is somehow a crime

[twerd]

Except I dont consider a drug dealer a criminal.

And you consider Polanski to be the devil.

kosma, are you running down a list of argumentation fallacies, because you're hitting most all of the bases.

[Boogie]

You've just twisted what I said. Good jon.

And I'm sure you've never given a criminal any of your money, especially none of those times you've bought illegal drugs.

Except I dont consider a drug dealer a criminal.

And you consider Polanski to be the devil.

Because drug laws are the only laws that drug dealers break.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I wonder what Green Shinobi thinks about that comment Boogie.

[Boogie]

I wonder what Green Shinobi thinks about that comment Boogie.

Why?  Is he dealing drugs now?

[Flannel Boy]

You've just twisted what I said. Good jon.

And I'm sure you've never given a criminal any of your money, especially none of those times you've bought illegal drugs.

Except I dont consider a drug dealer a criminal.

And you consider Polanski to be the devil.

Devil? ...

So you've never watched a TV show, movie, or pro sports team that included any criminals? Ever listened to an album recorded by or produced by any criminals? Bought a product produced or sold by anyone with criminal records? None of this is very likely.

[twerd]

if i based my purchasing habits on whether companies/people were good, i'd own nothing at all. :\

business is business, but rape is rape. roman makes great movies, but that doesn't make him unaccountable for the rape that he committed. i support him as an artist, that doesn't mean i support him as a rapist. why is this a huge leap in logic for you?

[twerd]

phony.

i've practiced what i've preached. my whole line of thinking is "rape is bad, and punishable by law." my other line of thinking is that some of the greatest artists are fucked-up people. i'm supporting roman's artwork with my cash, i really don't think he looks at his daily revenue, and cries tears of blood while singing "my god, all these people, they truly appreciate the rape i committed."

[Great Rumbler]

Its not a huge leap of logic twerd its just morally bankrupt and one day you will wake up to it, you're just a foney doing it.

And no I dont buy shit from companies I know are doing shit wrong.

I'd rather support rape by watching awesome movies than defend rape by saying it was really the victim's fault.

[twerd]

Your money is paying for his top lawyer though.

yeah, i'm sure the lawyer's gonna get him off for raping a 13 year old girl and then fleeing the country. 

i've also given money to the bush administration and the obama administration through tax dollars. does that mean i held the muslims down while they were being water boarded?

really? you're asking me the dukakis question??? 

[AdmiralViscen]

I thought you were leaving? You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Flannel Boy]

Its not a huge leap of logic twerd its just morally bankrupt and one day you will wake up to it, you're just a foney doing it.'

Someone who defends a rapists and then implies the victim is a lying slut has no right to claim that others are morally bankrupt.

In dutch we say, links lullen, rechts vullen. Say one thing, do the other.

I say Polanksi should go to prison for a long time, but I watched his movies. Obviously a contradiction?

And no I dont buy shit from companies I know are doing shit wrong Malek.

Not likely. Though I'm sure in you can always plead ignorance.

Your money is paying for his top lawyer though.

OMG he's being legally represented! This just can't happen. His lawyer can't stop his extradition, but France and Poland sure did. Those two countries did not protect him because of his money.

I dont remember who, but someone in this thread used this example: if your GF was raped, what would you do?

Would you buy an album of the guy that raped your GF, because you respect his music? Would you?

You obviously wouldn't be able to enjoy a work of art created by someone who personally hurt you or a loved one.

[AdmiralViscen]

lol @ you trying to use the example that proved you a hypocrite

[Don Flamenco]

this shit is just wow

[Barry Egan]

Morals are relative, but at least I have some.

What does this even mean  

[AdmiralViscen]

I hate child labour, but I just got to have these pants that are made by small kids in Asia.

I hate pedos, but hey I just have to watch this movie by Polanski.

I hate racism, but this album by the guy who raises money for the national party is just sooooo good. Great artist.

Jeans dollars go directly towards the company keeping that factory running to create new jeans to replace the ones you just removed from store shelves.

Movie dollars go to production companies and distributors. Maybe some goes to Polanski, which in no way lead to France refusing to extradite him.

If Polanski had filmed his rape and tried to sell it I can guarantee you that no one here would buy it.

[Barry Egan]

morals are relative but *insert value judgement about another persons morals*

[Flannel Boy]

I hate child labour, but I just got to have these pants that are made by small kids in Asia.

I hate pedos, but hey I just have to watch this movie by Polanski.

No children were harmed in the making of any of Polanski's movies. Actual children were harmed in the making of the pants.

By buying the pants, you are encouraging and supporting child labor. By buying one of Polanski's films, you are not encouraging or supporting child rape.

[CajoleJuice]

How is this still going?

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Kosma, you're crossing the line from foot-in-mouth to all out moron.

[twerd]

[BamYouHaveAids]

are you arguing that people should be clamoring for him to be released so that they won't morally be guilty of supporting a rapist? or are you just calling everyone a hypocrite? if so, duh? it took you how many years of living to realize this?

it isn't possible for humans to remain completely morally consistent. only one man is capable of complete moral consistency

[Diunx]

I don't like racists but I still watch Seinfeld, Kosma logic is flawed.

[Fresh Prince]

FoC or Kosma?

[Great Rumbler]

Morals are relative, but at least I have some.

Really?

No he didnt rape any girl. Unless you don't know what rape means that is. Which judging by your reaction is the case.

Yeah right PD. I can see the setting already, a hollywood mansion, a 13 year old that looks 20 or more on drugs and alcohol surrounded by famous people, then she gets "raped".

As you said case should be dropped anyhow, but I find it absurd that these men get sued because a young girl prob got what she was after.

Who says he drugged her? She?

Maybe she took it all herself.

[Barry Egan]

are you arguing that people should be clamoring for him to be released so that they won't morally be guilty of supporting a rapist? or are you just calling everyone a hypocrite? if so, duh? it took you how many years of living to realize this?

Actually, it seems that he's arguing that we're all hypocrites and he's not, and somehow this is significant with regards to a moral code that includes the explicit defense of child rapists.

[Barry Egan]

Kosma may support child rape, but at least he consistently supports child rape!

Flashbacks to the '04 election...

[Don Flamenco]

I hate child labour, but I just got to have these pants that are made by small kids in Asia.

I hate pedos, but hey I just have to watch this movie by Polanski.

I hate racism, but this album by the guy who raises money for the national party is just sooooo good. Great artist.

yeah it sucks when you turn 18 and figure out all this shitty shit in the world

[Joe Molotov]

I still watch Bears games even though Jay Cutler is worse than Hitler.

[twerd]

what if the oil companies gagged and raped your wife in front of you, and then set their genitalia on fire and got dressed in furry suits and had sex? would your answer still be yes?

[Joe Molotov]

And also, there were no vortices involved.

[Oblivion]

And also, there were no vortices involved.

What about cyclones?

[Don Flamenco]

would you rape Hitler to save a vortex that spits out enough ice cream to feed everyone in the world for the rest of their lives?

[Van Cruncheon]

when this thread hits its face-to-the-planks polack down denouement, HALL OF SHAME it

[Diunx]

FUCK YEAH! I would. not only that but a I would assrape 13 years old Hitler in the ASS.

Ice cream

[Barry Egan]

And no I dont buy shit from companies I know are doing shit wrong Malek.

Didn't you work for Sony, the corporation that privately monitered environmental activists in an attempt to prevent certain legislation from passing?  Legislation that would force electronic companies to clean up their own mess?

Don't you own a PC that runs Microsoft Windows?  MICROSOFT?

Whatever dude.

[Don Flamenco]

FUCK YEAH! I would. not only that but a I would assrape 13 years old Hitler in the ASS.

Ice cream

but if you rape hitler, then that means you inherit all of his badness, making you the worst person in the world.  and no one will ever know that you saved the ice cream vortex.  also, you get no ice cream.   how about now?

[Madrun Badrun]

I don't condone child rape and have only ever torrented his movies.  I'm like the mother teresa of this thread, relatively speaking.