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« Reply #180 on: September 28, 2009, 07:56:39 PM »
<Eric P> i don't even know what to say to that

Eric P sums up my thoughts exactly. Considering the legal term for a child is a minor, being a teenager and a child are one in the same. If you're arguing that the puberty afforded the 13-year-old girl a level of maturity that allows you to condone Roman Polanski's actions, well then, I hope you never have a child.
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« Reply #181 on: September 28, 2009, 07:59:39 PM »
Diunx on age-of-consent laws: If it bleeds, you can fuck it.
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« Reply #182 on: September 28, 2009, 08:01:57 PM »
I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.
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« Reply #183 on: September 28, 2009, 08:04:31 PM »
She was a teenager not a child.

I know.  Thirteen is so obviously different from twelve.

We should totally set the age of consent* by using the etymology of our number-words.  If the dead tongues of Old English and High German don't hold the key to unlocking this mystery, what does?



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*Age of consent is kind of am misleading term, since she was forcibly raped.  So people are really arguing for an age of non-consent, after which point you're on your own and I hope you brought pepper spray.

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« Reply #184 on: September 28, 2009, 08:10:00 PM »
I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.
Right she was expecting to be photographed, but instead she was drugged and raped. "A STEP FARTHER"
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« Reply #185 on: September 28, 2009, 08:14:27 PM »
I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.
Right she was expecting to be photographed, but instead she was drugged and raped. "A STEP FARTHER"

I doubt that she was expecting to just be photographed after polanski asked her to change her clothes in front of him during the first session.
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« Reply #186 on: September 28, 2009, 08:17:55 PM »
I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.
Right she was expecting to be photographed, but instead she was drugged and raped. "A STEP FARTHER"

I doubt that she was expecting to just be photographed after polanski asked her to change her clothes in front of him during the first session.

Let's assume that she suspected that he might try to rape her. Now, what does this support, exactly?
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« Reply #187 on: September 28, 2009, 08:20:12 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.
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« Reply #188 on: September 28, 2009, 08:23:58 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.
okay
Now let us assume that she was a worldly 13 year-old, with an IQ of 220, who snorted coke off of women's naked bodies. How is any of that relevant?

She couldn't legally consent to sex.
Even if she could, she didn't.

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« Reply #189 on: September 28, 2009, 08:25:42 PM »
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Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.

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No one is shocked by the fact that 13 year old girls are hungry for dick.  Everyone who's been thirteen themselves knows this.  It's totally besides the point.

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« Reply #190 on: September 28, 2009, 08:29:49 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.

She couldn't legally consent to sex.
Even if she could, she didn't.



These two things should really end any and all argument on the issue.
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« Reply #191 on: September 28, 2009, 08:33:00 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.
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« Reply #192 on: September 28, 2009, 08:34:22 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.

God, I hope I don't have to meet some arbitrary standard of generalized, doe-eyed "innocence" to warrant prosecution when someone drugs me and shoves his dick up my ass.

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« Reply #193 on: September 28, 2009, 08:35:05 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.
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« Reply #194 on: September 28, 2009, 08:36:51 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

He admitted to raping her.

This isn't in question here.
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« Reply #195 on: September 28, 2009, 08:39:43 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

Actually, the weirdest about this thread is that neither Kosma nor Diunx seem to be particularly interested in Polanski's work as a filmmaker  :lol

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« Reply #196 on: September 28, 2009, 08:40:04 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

He admitted to raping her.

This isn't in question here.

He plead guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor not rape.
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« Reply #197 on: September 28, 2009, 08:40:24 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

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« Reply #198 on: September 28, 2009, 08:42:14 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.
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« Reply #199 on: September 28, 2009, 08:43:28 PM »
She can say many things Willco, doesnt make them true.

Did Polanski ever admit to raping her? Or did he only admit to having sex with a minor?

A 13yo girl cannot have consensual sex with an adult, it's automatically rape.

I know the law dude

Also PD, you dont know the law everywhere

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Okay, I'm obviously jumping in waaaaay late here, but that's not correct. Age of consent in Canada is 14, not 16.
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« Reply #200 on: September 28, 2009, 08:44:56 PM »
Boogie, this should get you fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.
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« Reply #201 on: September 28, 2009, 08:46:51 PM »
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I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.

I think the gap between asking a child to pose topless for a photo shoot (which is not specific to Polanski) and being drugged, raped and sodomized is pretty fucking wide, dude.
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« Reply #202 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:01 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

 Really?  When did that happen?

edit: ah, May 2008.  I don't feel so bad for missing that, since it was just in the past year and a half.
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« Reply #203 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:43 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

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Really, when?

I mean, are we talking about in the last couple years?  Last winter?  Before or December 13th, 2008?  If not, could it retroactively be applied to that date?

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« Reply #204 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:56 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.

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« Reply #205 on: September 28, 2009, 08:49:04 PM »
Last year.
and fuck i wasn't able to get that stealth edit in on time.
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« Reply #206 on: September 28, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »
Mandark is winning this thread.  :lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #207 on: September 28, 2009, 08:50:00 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.
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« Reply #208 on: September 28, 2009, 08:50:19 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

Well, obviously you'd have to start with R Kelly and Michael Jackson.  R Kelly was just successful- that's good enough to let you get away with "consensual" sex with underage girls and videotaping yourself peeing on them.  Having the number one album of all time means you get to repeatedly molest young boys.  I think we can figure out a scale using those two cases.
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« Reply #209 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:07 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

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Really, when?

I mean, are we talking about in the last couple years?  Last winter?  Before or December 13th, 2008?  If not, could it retroactively be applied to that date?

 :lol
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« Reply #210 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:20 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.

I didn't expect you to admit that.  :-\
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« Reply #211 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:34 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.

Why not?

They're perfectly capable of making decisions about whether to be drugged and anally penetrated by 40-somethings.

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« Reply #212 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:38 PM »
Obviously, once Samantha Geimer undressed in front of Roman Polanski, it was an open invitation for him to anally rape her.
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« Reply #213 on: September 28, 2009, 08:52:36 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"
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« Reply #214 on: September 28, 2009, 08:53:46 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?
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« Reply #215 on: September 28, 2009, 08:54:28 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?

Based on his recent movies, he should get the chair if he looks at a girl the wrong way.
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« Reply #216 on: September 28, 2009, 08:54:58 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

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« Reply #217 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:08 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?

It depends on if you want to go by box office or critical acclaim.  IMO Polanski is a better filmmaker, so I guess one.  Maybe one less attractive 13 year old?
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« Reply #218 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:34 PM »
Jaws should be worth at least two or three counts of sodomy.

What about Ridley Scott? ... or Tony Scott?
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« Reply #219 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:57 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

Maybe you've got some weird blue on blue color blindness issue or something.
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« Reply #220 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:10 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

We need the ability to trade these offsets as well.  Theoretically with this new system, Roman can buy enough felony offsets from other artists to rape another 13 year old if he were so inclined.
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« Reply #221 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:16 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

I had to quote the post  :'(

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« Reply #222 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:34 PM »
It depends on if you want to go by box office or critical acclaim.  IMO Polanski is a better filmmaker, so I guess one.  Maybe one less attractive 13 year old?

Or could you split it in half, and make it two attractive 6-year-olds?
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« Reply #223 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:51 PM »
Jaws should be worth at least two or three counts of sodomy.

What about Ridley Scott? ... or Tony Scott?

Obviously we're not gonna let you be on the panel that determines what people should get away with, or we'll end up with Sam Raimi being able to start the second Holocaust.
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« Reply #224 on: September 28, 2009, 08:57:46 PM »
I'd be pretty objective. He'd be allowed at least six counts of sodomy against a minor for Evil Dead II, but it would be offset by stuff like For Love of the Game and Spider-Man 3.
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« Reply #225 on: September 28, 2009, 09:05:31 PM »
Kosma writes for the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html?page=2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/leniency-for-polanski_b_301269.html

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It's times like this that I hate bleeding heart liberals.

I've heard a lot of "but - hey - the case is so old that arresting this man is silly!" and "have we forgotten how difficult Roman Polanski's life was?"

... Also, who is spreading this crap that he served his time? He was sentenced to psychiatric evaluation for 90 days. He was released after 48. When it looked like the judge was going to send him back for the remaining 42 days, he fled to France.


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« Reply #226 on: September 28, 2009, 09:05:54 PM »
Also, if we combine the Kosma-Diunx Artistic Offsets Principle with the Etiolate Theory Of Temporal Crime Deflation, we could have a really powerful analytical tool.

For example, Polanski's rape of a 13 year old in the 1970's would equal the burning of several villages in medieval Europe.  However, Chinatown would become the Nibelungenlied, and everything would still be in equilibrium.

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« Reply #227 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:04 PM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl

I'm dying here.
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« Reply #228 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:31 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

tears!
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« Reply #229 on: September 28, 2009, 09:10:56 PM »
Kosma writes for the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html?page=2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/leniency-for-polanski_b_301269.html

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It's times like this that I hate bleeding heart liberals.

I've heard a lot of "but - hey - the case is so old that arresting this man is silly!" and "have we forgotten how difficult Roman Polanski's life was?"

... Also, who is spreading this crap that he served his time? He was sentenced to psychiatric evaluation for 90 days. He was released after 48. When it looked like the judge was going to send him back for the remaining 42 days, he fled to France.


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Actually, that could be applied to whole sentence.

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« Reply #230 on: September 28, 2009, 09:12:05 PM »
The US Senate should dissolved and have it's powers given collectively to Evilbore.
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« Reply #231 on: September 28, 2009, 09:12:13 PM »
Okay, but what about artists with works that are somewhat less than stellar? Does Star Wars Episodes I-III mean that George Lucas should be charged with three counts of forced sodomy against a minor? Or, taking this a step beyond sexual crimes, first-degree murder? I think this is important issue to iron out before taking the idea further towards realization.
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« Reply #232 on: September 28, 2009, 09:13:26 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.
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« Reply #233 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:00 PM »
Lucas should be charged with war crimes.

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« Reply #234 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:41 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

Having established that, what offset would Lucas need to purchase in order to make up for those three movies? I'm thinking the entirety of Ridley Scott's filmography, but maybe even that's not enough.
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« Reply #235 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:53 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.
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« Reply #236 on: September 28, 2009, 09:16:52 PM »
Mandark is killing in this thread.
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« Reply #237 on: September 28, 2009, 09:18:17 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.
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« Reply #238 on: September 28, 2009, 09:22:21 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith:'(
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« Reply #239 on: September 28, 2009, 09:23:22 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith:'(

You came back for more! Some victim.
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