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« Reply #180 on: September 28, 2009, 08:29:49 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.

She couldn't legally consent to sex.
Even if she could, she didn't.



These two things should really end any and all argument on the issue.
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« Reply #181 on: September 28, 2009, 08:33:00 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.
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« Reply #182 on: September 28, 2009, 08:34:22 PM »
Who knows, all I'm saying is that she wasn't the innocent little girl that everyone seems to think she was.

God, I hope I don't have to meet some arbitrary standard of generalized, doe-eyed "innocence" to warrant prosecution when someone drugs me and shoves his dick up my ass.

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« Reply #183 on: September 28, 2009, 08:35:05 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.
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« Reply #184 on: September 28, 2009, 08:36:51 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

He admitted to raping her.

This isn't in question here.
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« Reply #185 on: September 28, 2009, 08:39:43 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

Actually, the weirdest about this thread is that neither Kosma nor Diunx seem to be particularly interested in Polanski's work as a filmmaker  :lol

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« Reply #186 on: September 28, 2009, 08:40:04 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

He admitted to raping her.

This isn't in question here.

He plead guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor not rape.
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« Reply #187 on: September 28, 2009, 08:40:24 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

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« Reply #188 on: September 28, 2009, 08:42:14 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.

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« Reply #189 on: September 28, 2009, 08:43:28 PM »
She can say many things Willco, doesnt make them true.

Did Polanski ever admit to raping her? Or did he only admit to having sex with a minor?

A 13yo girl cannot have consensual sex with an adult, it's automatically rape.

I know the law dude

Also PD, you dont know the law everywhere

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Okay, I'm obviously jumping in waaaaay late here, but that's not correct. Age of consent in Canada is 14, not 16.
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« Reply #190 on: September 28, 2009, 08:44:56 PM »
Boogie, this should get you fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.
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« Reply #191 on: September 28, 2009, 08:46:51 PM »
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I'm not talking about legal terms, she was a 13 years old model, she agreed to go to the photoshoot even after Polanski had her change her clothes in front of him, all I'm saying is that she knew exactly was she was getting into and Polanski just took her a step farther than she was expecting.

I think the gap between asking a child to pose topless for a photo shoot (which is not specific to Polanski) and being drugged, raped and sodomized is pretty fucking wide, dude.
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« Reply #192 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:01 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

 Really?  When did that happen?

edit: ah, May 2008.  I don't feel so bad for missing that, since it was just in the past year and a half.
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« Reply #193 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:43 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

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Really, when?

I mean, are we talking about in the last couple years?  Last winter?  Before or December 13th, 2008?  If not, could it retroactively be applied to that date?

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« Reply #194 on: September 28, 2009, 08:48:56 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.

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« Reply #195 on: September 28, 2009, 08:49:04 PM »
Last year.
and fuck i wasn't able to get that stealth edit in on time.

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« Reply #196 on: September 28, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »
Mandark is winning this thread.  :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #197 on: September 28, 2009, 08:50:00 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.
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« Reply #198 on: September 28, 2009, 08:50:19 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

Well, obviously you'd have to start with R Kelly and Michael Jackson.  R Kelly was just successful- that's good enough to let you get away with "consensual" sex with underage girls and videotaping yourself peeing on them.  Having the number one album of all time means you get to repeatedly molest young boys.  I think we can figure out a scale using those two cases.
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« Reply #199 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:07 PM »
Boogie, this should get your fired. The age of consent was raised to 16.

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Really, when?

I mean, are we talking about in the last couple years?  Last winter?  Before or December 13th, 2008?  If not, could it retroactively be applied to that date?

 :lol
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« Reply #200 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:20 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.

I didn't expect you to admit that.  :-\

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« Reply #201 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:34 PM »
Hey maybe she is lying, teenagers are lying creatures especially girls.

So you would reasonably doubt the guilt of every man accused of rape by a teenage girl? wonderful.


yeah, I really don't trust teenagers.

Why not?

They're perfectly capable of making decisions about whether to be drugged and anally penetrated by 40-somethings.

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« Reply #202 on: September 28, 2009, 08:51:38 PM »
Obviously, once Samantha Geimer undressed in front of Roman Polanski, it was an open invitation for him to anally rape her.
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« Reply #203 on: September 28, 2009, 08:52:36 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

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« Reply #204 on: September 28, 2009, 08:53:46 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?
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« Reply #205 on: September 28, 2009, 08:54:28 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?

Based on his recent movies, he should get the chair if he looks at a girl the wrong way.

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« Reply #206 on: September 28, 2009, 08:54:58 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

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« Reply #207 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:08 PM »
How many 13-year-old girls could Steven Speilberg, based on his filmography, anally rape before he would face any jail time?

It depends on if you want to go by box office or critical acclaim.  IMO Polanski is a better filmmaker, so I guess one.  Maybe one less attractive 13 year old?
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« Reply #208 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:34 PM »
Jaws should be worth at least two or three counts of sodomy.

What about Ridley Scott? ... or Tony Scott?
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« Reply #209 on: September 28, 2009, 08:55:57 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

Maybe you've got some weird blue on blue color blindness issue or something.
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« Reply #210 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:10 PM »
The opposing side's argument boils down to little more than "Hey, I liked his movies.  He should go free!"

I didn't know making a few good movies entitles one to child rape.

Maybe I should write a blog, get a couple of positive comments on it, walk into a Best Buy, and help myself to a few Blurays.

Oh man, we should totally come up with a system for this.  How many felony offset credits have you earned?  What violations of human law and morals are warranted by your artistic achievements?

First, we'd all agree on one person whose crimes exactly balanced out their oeuvre (Arthur Miller hiding his autistic son?), and then calibrate it from there.

We need the ability to trade these offsets as well.  Theoretically with this new system, Roman can buy enough felony offsets from other artists to rape another 13 year old if he were so inclined.
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« Reply #211 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:16 PM »
I think this should help diunx's argument.
wow "she was wearing a mini skirt"

I didn't even realize there was a link in there.  I had to mouse over the words until I found it.

Why am I the only one with this problem?   :'(

I had to quote the post  :'(

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« Reply #212 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:34 PM »
It depends on if you want to go by box office or critical acclaim.  IMO Polanski is a better filmmaker, so I guess one.  Maybe one less attractive 13 year old?

Or could you split it in half, and make it two attractive 6-year-olds?
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« Reply #213 on: September 28, 2009, 08:56:51 PM »
Jaws should be worth at least two or three counts of sodomy.

What about Ridley Scott? ... or Tony Scott?

Obviously we're not gonna let you be on the panel that determines what people should get away with, or we'll end up with Sam Raimi being able to start the second Holocaust.
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« Reply #214 on: September 28, 2009, 08:57:46 PM »
I'd be pretty objective. He'd be allowed at least six counts of sodomy against a minor for Evil Dead II, but it would be offset by stuff like For Love of the Game and Spider-Man 3.
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« Reply #215 on: September 28, 2009, 09:05:31 PM »
Kosma writes for the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html?page=2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/leniency-for-polanski_b_301269.html

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It's times like this that I hate bleeding heart liberals.

I've heard a lot of "but - hey - the case is so old that arresting this man is silly!" and "have we forgotten how difficult Roman Polanski's life was?"

... Also, who is spreading this crap that he served his time? He was sentenced to psychiatric evaluation for 90 days. He was released after 48. When it looked like the judge was going to send him back for the remaining 42 days, he fled to France.


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« Reply #216 on: September 28, 2009, 09:05:54 PM »
Also, if we combine the Kosma-Diunx Artistic Offsets Principle with the Etiolate Theory Of Temporal Crime Deflation, we could have a really powerful analytical tool.

For example, Polanski's rape of a 13 year old in the 1970's would equal the burning of several villages in medieval Europe.  However, Chinatown would become the Nibelungenlied, and everything would still be in equilibrium.

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« Reply #217 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:04 PM »
:rofl :rofl :rofl

I'm dying here.
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« Reply #218 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:31 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #219 on: September 28, 2009, 09:10:56 PM »
Kosma writes for the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joan-z-shore/polanskis-arrest-shame-on_b_301134.html?page=2

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/leniency-for-polanski_b_301269.html

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It's times like this that I hate bleeding heart liberals.

I've heard a lot of "but - hey - the case is so old that arresting this man is silly!" and "have we forgotten how difficult Roman Polanski's life was?"

... Also, who is spreading this crap that he served his time? He was sentenced to psychiatric evaluation for 90 days. He was released after 48. When it looked like the judge was going to send him back for the remaining 42 days, he fled to France.


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« Reply #220 on: September 28, 2009, 09:12:05 PM »
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« Reply #221 on: September 28, 2009, 09:12:13 PM »
Okay, but what about artists with works that are somewhat less than stellar? Does Star Wars Episodes I-III mean that George Lucas should be charged with three counts of forced sodomy against a minor? Or, taking this a step beyond sexual crimes, first-degree murder? I think this is important issue to iron out before taking the idea further towards realization.
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« Reply #222 on: September 28, 2009, 09:13:26 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.
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« Reply #223 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:00 PM »
Lucas should be charged with war crimes.

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« Reply #224 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:41 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

Having established that, what offset would Lucas need to purchase in order to make up for those three movies? I'm thinking the entirety of Ridley Scott's filmography, but maybe even that's not enough.
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« Reply #225 on: September 28, 2009, 09:15:53 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.
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« Reply #226 on: September 28, 2009, 09:16:52 PM »
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« Reply #227 on: September 28, 2009, 09:18:17 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

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« Reply #228 on: September 28, 2009, 09:22:21 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith.  :'(
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« Reply #229 on: September 28, 2009, 09:23:22 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith.  :'(

You came back for more! Some victim.

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« Reply #230 on: September 28, 2009, 09:24:43 PM »
Yeah, after The Phantom Menace, your childhood should have known better. By the time Revenge of the Sith came around, you were asking for it!
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« Reply #231 on: September 28, 2009, 09:25:26 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith.  :'(

You came back for more! Some victim.

Oh God, I'm such a slut.  :'(

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« Reply #232 on: September 28, 2009, 09:25:51 PM »
Lucas should be charged with double homicide - one count for killing my childhood and one for murdering cinema.

I don't know about you, but my childhood was both raped and murdered. Then raped again.

Yes, but your childhood wanted it. Your childhood wasn't as innocent as you make it sound. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you went into to that theater and watched the Phantom Menace.

Then Attack of Clones. Then Revenge of the Sith.  :'(

You came back for more! Some victim.

Not to mention that you paid for it.  What?  Did George Lucas force a ticket in your hand and shove you into the movie theater?

Thought so :smug
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« Reply #233 on: September 28, 2009, 09:29:53 PM »
Still waiting for Fistfulofmetal to chime in with his analysis on the situation.

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« Reply #234 on: September 28, 2009, 09:30:43 PM »
Still waiting for Fistfulofmetal to chime in with his analysis on the situation.

He's too busy jerking it to pics of the girl.
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« Reply #235 on: September 28, 2009, 09:34:14 PM »
Okay, but what about artists with works that are somewhat less than stellar? Does Star Wars Episodes I-III mean that George Lucas should be charged with three counts of forced sodomy against a minor? Or, taking this a step beyond sexual crimes, first-degree murder? I think this is important issue to iron out before taking the idea further towards realization.
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Some would say we shouldn't let the Crap Penalty take them below zero, that felony sentences should be reserved for actual felonies.  But think about it.  If we did that, it would be a huge incentive for artists to commit crimes before they published something bad, like using cell phone minutes before they expire.

If that system were in place, James Cameron would be in the middle of a crime spree, as he tried to fulfill all his perverted, illegal fantasies before Avatar could be released, like a deranged Bucket List situation.  We just can't take that sort of risk.

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« Reply #236 on: September 28, 2009, 09:43:35 PM »
Yeah, after The Phantom Menace, your childhood should have known better. By the time Revenge of the Sith came around, you were asking for it!

Lucas loves me, Phantom Menace was just an accident, he said he was sorry, he'd never do that again. :(
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« Reply #237 on: September 28, 2009, 10:02:31 PM »
Maybe the girl was really upset at the time but shouldn't she feel some pride now about the whole affair?

Millions of women would give anything to be sodomized by a winner of an Oscar for Best Director. 

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« Reply #238 on: September 28, 2009, 10:15:09 PM »
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« Reply #239 on: September 28, 2009, 10:15:40 PM »
Maybe the girl was really upset at the time but shouldn't she feel some pride now about the whole affair?

Millions of women would give anything to be sodomized by a winner of an Oscar for Best Director. 

Does make the academy award in 2001 retroactively make the rape okay? Sure he had already done Chinatown, but I mean, technically she was only raped by an academy award nominee.
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