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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #840 on: May 02, 2012, 08:56:14 AM »
I would argue that many releases NoA is skipping over aren't exactly lucrative products in the first place.  I really don't think stuff like Captain Rainbow or Soma Bringer would have made a blip in this hemishphere.  My issue with NoA is that they have been repeatedly not marketing stuff like Excitebots and Sin and Punishment 2, which goes on to bomba as expected. That said, I don't much care for Reggie, but his job is to be a disingenuine asshat anyway, so I guess I can't hate him.  Honestly I'm hard pressed to think of games that had no reason not to come over in the past.  Right now that would be the new Fire Emblem, but we still got E3 to see if they'll deliver.
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« Reply #841 on: May 02, 2012, 09:09:40 AM »
So obvious we'll kick ourselves?  With the way Nintendo home consoles have been supported what's obvious these days?  Yeah, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest are locked up tight, but other than that I'm drawing a blank.  Nintendo themselves are notoriously secretive and I doubt anything has leaked from their iron grip.  Unless thats not always true and DCharlie is getting his dream of a new FZero realised.  That would probably get him to buy a system methinks.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #842 on: May 02, 2012, 09:27:07 AM »
Reggie though.... whilst okay on stage and a nice guy, he's little more than a character in a suit. Having a Reggie Avatar is up there with having a Sonic avatar.

sometimes the characterization of nintendo staff gets really creepy.  speculation on reggie's shiny chin an all. 


passing on band brothers was weird given it was just before/around the guitar hero craze.  it was ostensibly rock band with midis.  it's what I thought Wii Music would be, before its reveal as an advanced baby rattle.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #843 on: May 02, 2012, 09:34:52 AM »
Isn't Archaic Sealed Heat supposed to be real shit?

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« Reply #844 on: May 02, 2012, 09:36:20 AM »
I would argue that many releases NoA is skipping over aren't exactly lucrative products in the first place.  I really don't think stuff like Captain Rainbow or Soma Bringer would have made a blip in this hemishphere.  My issue with NoA is that they have been repeatedly not marketing stuff like Excitebots and Sin and Punishment 2, which goes on to bomba as expected. That said, I don't much care for Reggie, but his job is to be a disingenuine asshat anyway, so I guess I can't hate him.  Honestly I'm hard pressed to think of games that had no reason not to come over in the past.  Right now that would be the new Fire Emblem, but we still got E3 to see if they'll deliver.

Captain Rainbow was not a viable product for North America.  Soma Bringer may have been.  The other DS Fire Emblem would have sold 300k, guaranteed.  Here's some stuff they skipped over that I feel would have been reasonably good sellers (if released in a timely manner) and would have filled holes in the schedule well: (on DS) Card Hero, Fire Emblem, Band Brothers/Jam with the Band, Soma Bringer, Chibi Robo, Project Hacker, Jet Impulse, Last Window, Archaic Sealed Heat, (on Wii) Fatal Frame, Disaster Report, and Another Code R.

No, they're not all huge sellers, but they'd all earn their keep, particularly given half of them got localized into English by the UK branch anyway.  I could see if Nintendo passing on most of them if they were overloaded with games, but they weren't.  They chose to starve rather than eat anything but caviar.  I'm not even going to touch on the ridiculous *farce* that is the American Virtual Console.

Reggie sucks.  He's got to go.

Unless your sales info dictate trends otherwise, I find it hard to believe stuff like Project Hacker, Jet Implulse, ASH, and Disaster Report would've succeeded.  Reggie even cited low euro ratings/sales for Disaster not making the jump.  I could see Last Window and Another Code R as potential candidates based on how their previous incarnations performed.  Fire Emblem had no good reason to be ignored I agree.  The story with Fatal Frame is that Tecmo wasn't willing to fix several bugs and control issues for the translated versions until they got more money from Nintendo.  So whatever , Nintendo is stingy or Tecmo is lazy, I can at least understand some of the rationale there.  I could see stuff like Card Hero going either way.  Chibi Robo DS did get released in NA, unless you're referring to the gamecube port.

I should clarify that I wouldn't miss Reggie if he got the proverbial boot.  I'm more apathetic to his shenanigans at this point and just accept that he's a giant phony as per his job description.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #845 on: May 02, 2012, 10:15:56 AM »
I'm really curious to see what launch titles Wii U will have.  3DS was a wasteland for a long time.  By the time it was worth considering it dropped nearly $100 with deals.  The same old safe 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, etc. blend will be a shame.  I mean, I'll be down for some same old Zelda.  But that NSMB2 announcement was as unexciting as GoWA and Halo 4.

Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #846 on: May 02, 2012, 11:31:02 AM »
I wish he were just a character in a suit.  When you look at how NoA is run compared to NoE and NoJ, it's pathetic.  Guy's got a real "if it doesn't sell a million, we're not interested" attitude and NoA (in terms of software releases) has greatly suffered under his tenure.

Reggie spoke at one of my wife's MBA classes at Seattle University a few years ago. She doesn't know much about gaming culture, but she said he was a gigantic douchebag.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #847 on: May 02, 2012, 11:45:14 AM »
Reggie's favorite game is ALttP, he can't be all bad.

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« Reply #848 on: May 02, 2012, 11:47:01 AM »
She said he was really smug and reminded her of a used car salesman.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #849 on: May 02, 2012, 01:38:29 PM »
I'm really curious to see what launch titles Wii U will have.  3DS was a wasteland for a long time.  By the time it was worth considering it dropped nearly $100 with deals.  The same old safe 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, etc. blend will be a shame.  I mean, I'll be down for some same old Zelda.  But that NSMB2 announcement was as unexciting as GoWA and Halo 4.

i really really really hope they shows super smash bros cause that's the only nintendo game i still give a fuck about
having some new IP would be nice too but meh,might as well wishing for world peace or something at that point
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« Reply #850 on: May 02, 2012, 01:42:19 PM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #851 on: May 02, 2012, 01:46:00 PM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.

Luigi Mansion 2,Pikmin 3 and Wave Racer:Azure Hurricane

oh wait that joke doesn't work because luigi mansion 2 is a real game :fbm

honestly i'd be surprised if they go the first 30 minutes without showing some sort of "wii XXXXX" game featuring mii doing XXXXX
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #852 on: May 02, 2012, 01:46:14 PM »
... and they are all on the wii sports 2 disc.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #853 on: May 02, 2012, 01:47:28 PM »
Yep yep, Mr. Pizza Hut is why we didn't get Xenoblade in a timely fashion in NA. There's lots of other reasons which've been clearly laid out by Oscar here to slag the dude as well. Even if other N branches are being smart now who knows what'll happen for the US market.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #854 on: May 02, 2012, 02:19:42 PM »
Some new wii u Skate footage:

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #855 on: May 03, 2012, 02:06:08 AM »
All the Wii owners I know don't even bring it out during Thankgiving/Christmas events anymore. "Non-gamers" bought it impulsively and enjoyed it as a hobby, but they did not become consistent fans. Nobody's mom is wondering when the next Brain Training is coming out.

Nintendo basically ran up the score with those buyers, and when they disappeared Nintendo was left with a system that barely offered anything for actual gamers.

The WiiiU better come up with a decent mixture of "non-gamer" games, and consistent shit everyone else wants to play. Mixed with some ports
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« Reply #856 on: May 03, 2012, 03:42:18 AM »
Non gamers are not gonna buy the WiiU. The iPad owns that casual market. Maybe if Nintendo would have bothered making a full blown tablet.

Really wonder what there will be at launch. They should wait till they have a good game ready.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #857 on: May 03, 2012, 04:49:20 AM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.

Four games and 20 6-12 month old ports.
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #858 on: May 03, 2012, 09:52:56 AM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.

Four games and 20 6-12 month old ports.

Sounds like the Vita's "best launch evar."

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #859 on: May 03, 2012, 09:58:09 AM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.

Four games and 20 6-12 month old ports.

Sounds like the Vita's "best launch evar."

Vita's launch actually didn't have that many ports.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #860 on: May 03, 2012, 10:00:05 AM »
I bet WiiU ends up launching with only four games.

Four games and 20 6-12 month old ports.

Sounds like the Vita's "best launch evar."

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #861 on: May 03, 2012, 10:24:12 AM »
I'm excited for Armchair Analyst: Blue Ocean Version (also available in Red Ocean) and Read About Shaders on Wikipedia: Origins

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #862 on: May 03, 2012, 11:12:01 AM »
"the <wii U level of performance> is perfect anything else is over kill"

Still, it's all good - Nthings must secretly be thrilled about X720 and PS4 - it's like a window into the future.

It's like other console fanboys looking at current PC games, I imagine.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #863 on: May 03, 2012, 11:28:39 AM »
Point is there's always going to be a more powerful machine out there than whatever console you get, kind of pointless to throw stones.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #864 on: May 03, 2012, 11:37:14 AM »
Then why even upgrade from GameCube tech? 480p: good enough for me!
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #865 on: May 03, 2012, 11:41:00 AM »
Too much power is bad.

Power corrupts.
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« Reply #866 on: May 03, 2012, 11:42:14 AM »
Then why even upgrade from GameCube tech? 480p: good enough for me!

You misunderstand; I'm not saying technology shouldn't march forward, I'm saying those rattling their sabers should have a bit more introspection. If you only care about the best graphics, you wouldn't buy any console.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #867 on: May 03, 2012, 12:14:09 PM »
fwiw I think you're (Andrex) right even though you're wrong.  PC hardware is limited by the market.  you either have highly scalable PC games with a low ceiling (Blizzard) or the current console standard assets (PS3/360 now; Durango later) at higher resolutions with better performance.  It would be great to see an unreasonably advanced games made to take advantage of current PC hardware.  Shattered Horizons was kinda like that. 

realistically current PC hardware could handle next gen games no problem, just not as well as PC hardware can run current gen games. to me next gen is less exciting for the consoles and more for raising that standard.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #868 on: May 03, 2012, 12:28:19 PM »
andrex and dcharlie need to just fuck already

That would just complicate our relationship even more.

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« Reply #869 on: May 03, 2012, 12:37:06 PM »
Point is there's always going to be a more powerful machine out there than whatever console you get, kind of pointless to throw stones.

This is like saying an average man can't snicker at a micro-penis because there's always a BBC out there.

edit: beaten to a penis analogy.

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« Reply #870 on: May 03, 2012, 12:59:25 PM »
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« Reply #871 on: May 03, 2012, 01:12:15 PM »
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« Reply #872 on: May 03, 2012, 01:12:58 PM »
Whoa talk about hivemind...

Anyway, I really fear for the future of the WiiU... It might be the last home console from Nintendo.

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« Reply #873 on: May 03, 2012, 01:23:33 PM »
dcharlie we both know you'd be bottom. You already bend over for the game company ninjas keeping you from saying too much. :'(

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #874 on: May 03, 2012, 01:28:03 PM »
Dcharlie does look like a cool young dude
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #875 on: May 03, 2012, 01:43:13 PM »
i have heard dcharlie described as "power bottom", but people can change.

Not if we're gonna do it he isn't.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #876 on: May 03, 2012, 01:43:30 PM »
Whoa talk about hivemind...

Anyway, I really fear for the future of the WiiU... It might be the last home console from Nintendo.

This gen will probably be the last conventional console gen.Nintendo will lag as usual,so one more gen is guaranteed.
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« Reply #877 on: May 03, 2012, 01:43:52 PM »
i have heard dcharlie described as "power bottom", but people can change.

Not if we're gonna do it he isn't.
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« Reply #878 on: May 03, 2012, 02:28:30 PM »
It's good to have a difference in power, or at least some sort of expectation gap.  You only need to look at the differences in the types of games available for different platforms (and the differences between retail and downloadable games on the HD systems) to see how it's a positive thing.  Further, it was the 'powerful' closed platforms that actually slowed the progression of tech - 360 and PS3-targeted games becoming the ceiling for PC releases.  Monster Hunter 3 would have been an HD game if not for it taking off on the PSP - but people blamed the Wii of course, because people are dumb.  I think in the future when we've reached a kind of tech singularity this sort of segregation will have disappeared, but for now it's everywhere and I'm fine with it.  I want turn-based grid games and 2D games (etc.) and the mainstream console retail space has been very toxic for this stuff, whereas they've flourished elsewhere.  I think I'm rambling now, whatever.
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« Reply #879 on: May 03, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »
Monster Hunter 3 would have been an HD game if not for it taking off on the PSP - but people blamed the Wii of course, because people are dumb. 
Kindly explain the reasoning behind this circus talk

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« Reply #880 on: May 03, 2012, 03:24:18 PM »
It went to Wii so they could port the game to PSP or Nintendo's upcoming handheld (turns out they ended up doing both - a bunch of assets went to the next PSP version, whole enchilada went to 3DS).  It was so obvious what the plan was before this stuff played out, how can you be confused about it afterwards?
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« Reply #881 on: May 03, 2012, 03:58:12 PM »
It went to Wii so they could port the game to PSP or Nintendo's upcoming handheld (turns out they ended up doing both - a bunch of assets went to the next PSP version, whole enchilada went to 3DS).  It was so obvious what the plan was before this stuff played out, how can you be confused about it afterwards?
Let's look at this

It was planned for Playstation 3.
Playstation 3 was floundering
Game gets moved to Wii
Nintendo sells very attractive bundles of the game + console
All while Capcom puts out a fuck load of software for the HD twins with far less sales potential than a MH game. (Which should tell you cost was not the biggest issue here)

It's pretty clear to me it's a combination of the PS3 bombing and Nintendo offering aggressive bundling and visibility that made them jump over. 

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« Reply #882 on: May 03, 2012, 04:04:06 PM »
Honestly, I don't think Tri would've sold all that differently in Japan if it was on PS3. Hell, that crappy Portable 3rd port sold 300k, and that was a game 5 million people already played. Putting it on Wii just netted a better ROI given the lower dev costs and the ability to immediately flip those assets into handheld games.

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« Reply #883 on: May 03, 2012, 04:06:44 PM »
Tri would have tanked on PS3, well not tanked but wouldnt have sold as well as it did on Wii.

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« Reply #884 on: May 03, 2012, 04:17:56 PM »
It went to Wii so they could port the game to PSP or Nintendo's upcoming handheld (turns out they ended up doing both - a bunch of assets went to the next PSP version, whole enchilada went to 3DS).  It was so obvious what the plan was before this stuff played out, how can you be confused about it afterwards?
Let's look at this

It was planned for Playstation 3.
Playstation 3 was floundering
Game gets moved to Wii
Nintendo sells very attractive bundles of the game + console
All while Capcom puts out a fuck load of software for the HD twins with far less sales potential than a MH game. (Which should tell you cost was not the biggest issue here)

It's pretty clear to me it's a combination of the PS3 bombing and Nintendo offering aggressive bundling and visibility that made them jump over.

There was zero point in putting it on PS3, but they also didn't expect the monster sales of the PSP versions on the Wii.  They put it on Wii so they could comfortably port it like they did the PS2 versions.  Your line of reasoning simply piles on additional factors that almost go without saying - the success of the portable versions is very obviously the dominant and overriding one.  Come on.
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« Reply #885 on: May 03, 2012, 04:23:36 PM »
All I know is that I liked Tri and hope Tri G comes soon. :spin

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« Reply #886 on: May 03, 2012, 04:39:18 PM »
There was zero point in putting it on PS3, but they also didn't expect the monster sales of the PSP versions on the Wii.  They put it on Wii so they could comfortably port it like they did the PS2 versions.  Your line of reasoning simply piles on additional factors that almost go without saying - the success of the portable versions is very obviously the dominant and overriding one.  Come on.
I'm saying the overriding factor here was Nintendo offering a better deal than Sony(In effect, they offered fuck all). Comfortable porting was just a very convenient and helpful bonus. Look at the case of Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes does this have more sales potential than Monster Hunter? I would say no. Why would they decide to port that to PS3 and not Monster Hunter Tri then? Nintendo must have offered a sweet ass deal to keep Tri on the Wii only, and we saw that by way of bundling and ads.

The first monster hunter on PSP was released in 2005 the second was released in 2007. Monster Hunter Tri came out in 2009. When they initially decided to make it an HD game they were already well aware of Monster Hunters portable sales potential. The PS3 tanking gave them cold feet and Nintendo gave them a get out of jail free card. If the PS3 took off, I have no doubt Tri would have lead on PS3.
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« Reply #887 on: May 03, 2012, 06:34:57 PM »
I'm bigger than you'd think by looking at me.  :-* Unlike the Wii U's controller.

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« Reply #888 on: May 03, 2012, 09:32:34 PM »
Then why even upgrade from GameCube tech? 480p: good enough for me!

Yep it will force developers to create interesting content instead of relying on boring, stale HD assets for their next dudebro shooter.

Nintendo has done it again!

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« Reply #889 on: May 03, 2012, 09:45:24 PM »
haha, let me take it one further

<zipping sound>
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Andrex : hold on .... this is never going to fit in my mouth.... can you come back in , say, 6 years?
<6 years pass>
Andrex : my mouth is wide and flappy from years of spouting rubbish - now i can take your cock on with no wo... wait what? It's gotten bigger? :( Do you have a dildo toy roughly the same as it was ? you do!!! oh that's excellent! This rubber toy substitute is more than enough "cock" for me.

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #890 on: May 04, 2012, 12:26:08 AM »
as per Iwata: Capcom approached Nintendo about Monster Hunter + 3DS, not the other way round.
That actually makes the whole situation a bit more interesting - especially given they apparently went to Nintendo right after MH3rdP shipped.
This changes nothing I said :lol

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #891 on: May 06, 2012, 02:29:25 PM »
UK Blockbuster WiiU games list,probably fake

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« Reply #892 on: May 06, 2012, 05:33:27 PM »
Obviously fake, there's no Blockbusters anymore.

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« Reply #893 on: May 06, 2012, 05:59:57 PM »
Plenty of Blockbuster stores in the UK

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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #894 on: May 06, 2012, 06:21:37 PM »
:hyper shield pose

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« Reply #895 on: May 06, 2012, 06:56:34 PM »
I think like at least half of the games on that list are from Ubisoft.

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« Reply #896 on: May 06, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »
WEEEEOOOO ZOMBIE FUCK YES
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« Reply #897 on: May 06, 2012, 07:09:55 PM »
So it's basically the early Wii treatment: lazy ports, a handful of exclusive party games, and a sup par first party launch title
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Re: Weeooooooo (Wii U Thread)
« Reply #898 on: May 06, 2012, 07:15:10 PM »
I wonder how many people will buy Ninja Gaiden 3.

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« Reply #899 on: May 06, 2012, 07:35:47 PM »
DAMAGED CONSOLES :hyper :hyper :hyper
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