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[maxy]

Final WiiU specs(site was pretty damn reliable so far)

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-wii-u-final-specs/

CPU: “Espresso” CPU on the Wii U has three enhanced Broadway cores

GPU: “GPU7” AMD Radeon™-based High Definition GPU. Unique API = GX2, which supports Shader Model 4.0 (DirectX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.3 equivalent functionality)

Memory: Mem1 = 32MB Mem2 = 1GB (that applications can use)

Storage: Internal 8 GB with support for SD Cards (SD Cards up to 2GB/ SDHC Cards up to 32GB) and External USB Connected Hard Drives

Networking: 802.11 b/g/n Wifi

Video Output: Supports 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i

Video Cables Supported:

Compatible cables include HDMI, Wii D-Terminal, Wii Component Video, Wii RGB, Wii S-Video Stereo AV and Wii AV.

USB: Four USB 2.0 Ports

 

[archnemesis]

Why are the screenshots tiny? Isn't the game in 1080p (or at least 720p)?

[Cascade]

A 3 Core Broadway CPU!??
For those of you who don't know, the Broadway CPU is the Wii CPU which is an overclocked version of the gamecube CPU which was designed in 1999. Nintendo have managed to do the impossible and launch a console in 2012 using a 13 year old CPU. Who knew whimsy had such a steep price?

[maxy]

dirt cheap/easy Wii "emulation"---done

[Tasty]

Why are the screenshots tiny? Isn't the game in 1080p (or at least 720p)?

They're just bad screens, quality wise.

A 3 Core Broadway CPU!??
For those of you who don't know, the Broadway CPU is the Wii CPU which is an overclocked version of the gamecube CPU which was designed in 1999. Nintendo have managed to do the impossible and launch a console in 2012 using a 13 year old CPU. Who knew whimsy had such a steep price?

Isn't this pretty old news? We were just discussing why the CPU was weak, like, last week, and that was basically what we agreed on.

[Tasty]

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

[Purple Filth]

A 3 Core Broadway CPU!??
For those of you who don't know, the Broadway CPU is the Wii CPU which is an overclocked version of the gamecube CPU which was designed in 1999. Nintendo have managed to do the impossible and launch a console in 2012 using a 13 year old CPU. Who knew whimsy had such a steep price?

had to make that rumored 250 price point somehow

[TakingBackSunday]

8 gig storage, lulz

[Joe Molotov]

4 USB ports means you can plug in four 3TB HDDs for 12TB of storage. Nintendo

[maxy]

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

360 has shader 3.0+

Huge step over Wii though

[bachikarn]

A 3 Core Broadway CPU!??
For those of you who don't know, the Broadway CPU is the Wii CPU which is an overclocked version of the gamecube CPU which was designed in 1999. Nintendo have managed to do the impossible and launch a console in 2012 using a 13 year old CPU. Who knew whimsy had such a steep price?

I think the idea is to use a GPGPU so the processor doesn't have to be that strong. I think the PS4 and x720 are doing something similar. But still, that's a pretty Pathetic CPU.

[maxy]

Use the GPGPU(Cell) Luke...

Can't wait to see versus articles

[Joe Molotov]

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

360 has shader 3.0+

Huge step over Wii though

My phone is a huge step over the Wii.

[Diunx]

So my pc is as powerfull as a weeeeeeoooo?

[Tasty]

So my pc is as powerfull as a weeeeeeoooo?

Can your PC run Crysis (a DX10 game)? If so, then probably.

[Trent Dole]

A 3 Core Broadway CPU!??
For those of you who don't know, the Broadway CPU is the Wii CPU which is an overclocked version of the gamecube CPU which was designed in 1999. Nintendo have managed to do the impossible and launch a console in 2012 using a 13 year old CPU. Who knew whimsy had such a steep price?

GameCube is so awesome Nintendo's releasing it THREE TIMES.
GameCube

spoiler (click to show/hide)

No seriously the Cube's an underrated little machine

[close]

[Purple Filth]

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

360 has shader 3.0+

Huge step over Wii though

My phone is a huge step over the Wii.

I have a friend that mentions this everytime then gets sad 

[Tasty]

Andrex, as much as you don't want to admit it you are spinning this shit like hell. The Wii U's power is disappointing to say the least and the main draw is inferior to other options that have already taken over said markets. This system might sell well on the Wii name but that's still a longshot in more ways than one.

Disappointing to what Ninthings hoped maybe, but I really doubt anyone here expected the Wii U to be wildly above what's being reported. How is that spin? Nobody here believed in its power anyways. If you're saying you're disappointed, you're either a troll trying to be more negative about this situation than is necessary, or you were a starry eyed ninthing. Pick your choice.

It won't be a total failure, sales wise it will barely beat the Gamecube or maybe not even that.

Dude your more of a sales noob than I am, and I'm pretty nooby.

As a game console it is the worst Nintendo had to offer yet.

A console is defined by its games, foremost. Hardware-wise, N64 was probably the worst. Tiny, expensive carts, weird as hell controller, weird/fake 64 bit architecture (made nicer by comparisons to the Saturn, but even still), on par with the PS1 overall despite all the tradeoffs, with Nintendo trying to fill in all the gaps with add-ons like the 64DD (which failed/wasn't released.)

The Wii U is using a derivative of Blu-ray, which all three are going to use next gen. Most Wii U games will probably run at 1080p, which despite some rumors I'll go on the record as saying will be the highest offered for 99% of games next gen. The Wii U is offering retail games on the eShop from day one, which is actually more progressive than some of the competition. The controller literally accepts all the inputs that competing systems have, and the Pro controller is basically a 360 one with Nintendo's great d-pad and ergonomics. The shader model is "good" at best, pleasantly surprising at worst. 99%+ backwards compatibility with the previous gen, unlike any Nintendo console before the Wii.

Worst Nintendo hardware? I'm not seeing it.

Are there problems with the hardware? Definitely. The CPU is probably really weak, but we've known about that -- a tradeoff for both backwards compatibility purposes and Nintendo trying to keep batch rates reasonable. The RAM is extremely competitive to this gen (double the 360's), but who knows about next gen. The internal memory is on the short side.

But it isn't the worst Nintendo console hardware. Not when the N64, GameCube, and Wii have been released.

[pilonv1]

Prole in May knew what was up

oh god, the wii u hardware

[DCharlieJP]

But it isn't the worst Nintendo console hardware. Not when the N64, GameCube, and Wii have been released.

When the N64 and Gamecube launched they were both in the top end of the hardware spectrum.

The Wii U is in the top end of 2006.

As per prole, we've known the rough specs for quite some time and , yeah, it's not a surpirse to ANYONE -until- you go into the many deluded Nthing fan threads where the idea is that Nintendo are secretly hidding some amazing 3D Stack designed CPU that blows away even NEXT GEN or that the GPU is some massive wizard on a chip... or the other lolworthy angle that, hey guys, the PS4/X720 won't be much better! It's all wishful thinking... the final back out, which really should be the first line of attack, is : BU BU BU BU GAMES! Yup, that's the key. Tomorrow will see some interesting titles but the top and bottom of it is that the nthing banners are coming out (a la the improved Wollan picture) that WE MADE IT! WE ARE FINALLY NEXT LAST GEN!

meanwhile : "Of course, i'm not interested in anything the X720 / PS4 has to offer - 4K LOL FUCKOFF! Like we need it"

crystal ball to 2028 : 4K support?! OMFG BOW DOWN TO NINTENDO!!!!


this is the fundamental problem - in a hobby where technology DEFINES the crest of the wave, actively chosing to poo poo the crest of the wave that you will inevitably follow is absolutely stupid. You are bad mouthing your future in 5-6 years time. Nthings are setting themselves up to constantly have to lord up what they hated.

We heard this about the DS before it released, too, but people who had little experience with games seemed to find it easier to pay attention to two screens than trying to figure out a controller with two sticks, a dpad, and ten buttons. 

you have two screens in the same focal space with the DS. With the Wii U you are going to have a completely different set up - near focus for <action/input?> and then far focus for <um... action?> - you give it a try with an ipad and a TV and see how your focus shifts and come back and tell me how many games it'd work for. I drooled at the thought of an Ouendan but then once i thought about it on the Wii U it just wouldn't work as a two screen game - so i'll take it as a 3DS game

[Tasty]

But it isn't the worst Nintendo console hardware. Not when the N64, GameCube, and Wii have been released.

When the N64 and Gamecube launched they were both in the top end of the hardware spectrum.

The Wii U is in the top end of 2006.

As per prole, we've known the rough specs for quite some time and , yeah, it's not a surpirse to ANYONE -until- you go into the many deluded Nthing fan threads where the idea is that Nintendo are secretly hidding some amazing 3D Stack designed CPU that blows away even NEXT GEN or that the GPU is some massive wizard on a chip... or the other lolworthy angle that, hey guys, the PS4/X720 won't be much better! It's all wishful thinking... the final back out, which really should be the first line of attack, is : BU BU BU BU GAMES! Yup, that's the key. Tomorrow will see some interesting titles but the top and bottom of it is that the nthing banners are coming out (a la the improved Wollan picture) that WE MADE IT! WE ARE FINALLY NEXT LAST GEN!

meanwhile : "Of course, i'm not interested in anything the X720 / PS4 has to offer - 4K LOL FUCKOFF! Like we need it"

crystal ball to 2028 : 4K support?! OMFG BOW DOWN TO NINTENDO!!!!


this is the fundamental problem - in a hobby where technology DEFINES the crest of the wave, actively chosing to poo poo the crest of the wave that you will inevitably follow is absolutely stupid. You are bad mouthing your future in 5-6 years time. Nthings are setting themselves up to constantly have to lord up what they hated.

I've said it before, but if you're into graphics performance, it seems silly to poo poo one console and not another based on graphics performance. Consoles aren't on the crest of anything.

In addition, I'd say you're overly complicating the picture. The byline today isn't, "4K sucks why would I ever need it!", it's, "wow, these games look great in HD!" Which is pathetic, but not actively damning.

[DCharlieJP]

I've said it before, but if you're into graphics performance, it seems silly to poo poo one console and not another based on graphics performance. Consoles aren't on the crest of anything.

In addition, I'd say you're overly complicating the picture. The byline today isn't, "4K sucks why would I ever need it!", it's, "wow, these games look great in HD!" Which is pathetic, but not actively damning.

if the preceding statements regarding HD weren't "Lol, who needs HD!?" and various other fingerwagging poopooing then i'd agree.

And as i say - the poopooing of "next gen offers nothing above Wii U" has already started and, again, from people who SHOULD know better.

fundamentally - it sets fans up to agree with a company policy of being frugal and setting hardware costs. That in itself is FINE, there's no problem with that in itself but the second you look at what the other companies are doing and start dismissing , essentially, technological progress then you set yourself on a cycle of self owning yourself over and over.

performance, it seems silly to poo poo one console and not another based on graphics performance.

the problem here is i assume you are , assumedly, nodding towards PCs. There's a few factors here that will give the next gen consoles a small edge for at least a narrow  while : Consoles aren't saddled with the PC overheads, you get more "honed" developers getting closer to the metal access to hardware, game for game basis Console games will likely look better in the short term, on a $-for-$ basis next gen machines will offer the best performance for some time, and -in the end- in the grand scheme of affordable closed systems hardware they ARE the top end of performance and they ARE going to be in the same economic landscape as the Wii U. Nintendo are chosing to not compete on that front - that's fine - but you have to accept the consequence of comparison. Pointing at PCs as some sort of out is bollox, though i'm sure deep down you know this.

what we'll end up with is : LOL, if you care about graphics you should have got a $1200 PC, who cares that the $350 X720 is only $50 more expensive than the last gen bracket Wii U - you should be looking at PCs!!!!!!! #fuckingbullshit

[Van Cruncheon]

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

with shader model 5 out, lulz. but sure, for nintendo. enjoy that 4670M, state of the art for mid-range dell laptops in 2009!

2002's cpu architecture + 2004's bus technologies + 2008's cpu technology + 2x 2006's RAM = <works the math> console hardware for AUGUST 2007!

[DCharlieJP]

with shader model 5 out, lulz. but sure, for nintendo. enjoy that 4670M, state of the art for mid-range dell laptops in 2009!

i need to find that post where i got dogpiled by Nthings for suggesting that the Wii U gpu would be DX10.x and not DX11 equivalence.

from GAF, oh the sweet tears :

PS3 and Xbox360 are hitting their limits. Slow CPUs, lack of RAM, and DX9 equivalent GPUs cannot reproduce the Zelda demo.

looooooool - looks like any number of -actual- real games on the PS3/X360.
EASILY within range. I think the problem is that we have NTHINGS trying to position themselves that they know shit about what they've actively ignored for X years.

[Tasty]

if the preceding statements regarding HD weren't "Lol, who needs HD!?" and various other fingerwagging poopooing then i'd agree.

I've also said before, but you're likely impugning one set of fanboys for something an entirely different set said.

with shader model 5 out, lulz. but sure, for nintendo. enjoy that 4670M, state of the art for mid-range dell laptops in 2009!

Hey, 2009 is better than anything we were expecting before. (2008 at best.) So that's the opposite of disappointing.

[Van Cruncheon]

if the preceding statements regarding HD weren't "Lol, who needs HD!?" and various other fingerwagging poopooing then i'd agree.

I've also said before, but you're likely impugning one set of fanboys for something an entirely different set said.

with shader model 5 out, lulz. but sure, for nintendo. enjoy that 4670M, state of the art for mid-range dell laptops in 2009!

Hey, 2009 is better than anything we were expecting before. (2008 at best.) So that's the opposite of disappointing.

hardware taped out in 2007, mind you. 2009 was when they got the die size and power reqs down and shipped it in laptops -- y'know, when it was low-power and affordable enough for shit that wasn't even really designed for gaming. PC gaming had moved on. sm4.0 is FUCKIN VISTA-ERA

[Van Cruncheon]

dx11 shipped in windows 7. 8 is dx11.1. durango is

[DCharlieJP]

i want to be there

when the reality dawns on nthings

that

Durango to Wii gap is much larger than X360 to Wii U.

"Who cares about better graphics and performance and <Redacted extras> ?! Same old games AGAIN but with better graphics! *yawn* Now... who wants to play Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Smash Brothers ...?"

but you're likely impugning one set of fanboys for something an entirely different set said.

what makes it easier is there's a number of high profile "games reviewer" types following this pattern and they're easy to spot. Nintendo GAF are the single most deluded set of fans in the world - you go look at the discussion -YESTERDAY- about the 3D stacked secret shock CPU master design that's probably in the Wii U.

Nintendo made huge bank on NOT chasing the cusp of tech - quite why people are surprised by the Wii U spec is beyond me - BUT ... you go count how many times nthings rolled out "yes, because they went low on spec once makes it a trend #rolleyes"

[Van Cruncheon]

well, enjoy your 360+ games with improved stencil effects, slightly better anti-aliasing, cleaner mip levels, and bc6 texture compression! oh, and if nintendo ever gets decent developer apis, maybe you'll be able to pick up semi-modern hlsl semantics!

[DCharlieJP]

well, enjoy your 360+ games with improved stencil effects, slightly better anti-aliasing, cleaner mip levels, and bc6 texture compression! oh, and if nintendo ever gets decent developer apis, maybe you'll be able to pick up semi-modern hlsl semantics!

from a friend who was technical lead on two (completed) Wii U games and quit whilst working on a 3rd

"best case scenario for first year : higher res textures. At best."

[Owl-faced Wizard]

what we'll end up with is : LOL, if you care about graphics you should have got a $1200 PC, who cares that the $350 X720 is only $50 more expensive than the last gen bracket Wii U - you should be looking at PCs!!!!!!! #fuckingbullshit

Don't be stupid.  There are PCs you can buy now that will do what the next Xbox/PS can do for less than that.  We just haven't seen the games for PCs that take advantage of it because all the games are made with consoles in mind (prohibitive budgets aside).  Laugh at Wii U all you want, it won't be that system that holds things back - for better or worse - it will be the 'high end' closed-systems: the PS3s, 360s and PSPs of the coming generation.  This is just rhetorical sleight of hand, or outright delusion.

[Van Cruncheon]

pcs are too diverse, hardware-wise. only NOW has the baseline spec for a pc game exceeded the platform specifications for the 360/ps3.

the only thing that held graphics and game implementations back was the fact that this generation went on WAY too fucking long. shit's gunna get real in 2013, though.

[Van Cruncheon]

well, enjoy your 360+ games with improved stencil effects, slightly better anti-aliasing, cleaner mip levels, and bc6 texture compression! oh, and if nintendo ever gets decent developer apis, maybe you'll be able to pick up semi-modern hlsl semantics!

from a friend who was technical lead on two (completed) Wii U games and quit whilst working on a 3rd

"best case scenario for first year : higher res textures. AND SUPER MARIO!!!!!!! At best."

fixed

[Owl-faced Wizard]

pcs are too diverse, hardware-wise. only NOW has the baseline spec for a pc game exceeded the platform specifications for the 360/ps3.

Because the baseline specifications for PC games is the 360/PS3.  That's what the games are designed for.  Also, PC developers went over to console this gen.  This is embarrassing.

the only thing that held graphics and game implementations back was the fact that this generation went on WAY too fucking long. shit's gunna get real in 2013, though.

Shit's gunna get real shit.

[DCharlieJP]

Don't be stupid.  There are PCs you can buy now that will do what the next Xbox/PS can do for less than that.  We just haven't seen the games for PCs that take advantage of it because all the games are made with consoles in mind (prohibitive budgets aside).  Laugh at Wii U all you want, it won't be that system that holds things back - for better or worse - it will be the 'high end' closed-systems: the PS3s, 360s and PSPs of the coming generation.  This is just rhetorical sleight of hand, or outright delusion.

so - let me posit another scenario - PS4/X720 come out - they match Wii U. They hold back the generation to that level. At least in an "all things the same" situation Sony and MS are -at least- going towards a higher standard rather than sticking with X360/PS3.

Where are Nintendo taking the industry? Absolutely fucking nowhere.

PC - great - the "it's amazing tech, but consoles fault!" - brilliant. That's the reality we are in - but then the nuts and bolts of the argument remain the same : you CAN get a more powerful PC than X720/PS4 , arguments about overheads that the PC incurs (fuck off, they're there - deal with it) and add in consolization of PC games and the X720/PS4 are still going to represent a forward movement.

The argument they hold everyone back - like if they failed or didn't exist that games that run on super high end PCs would suddenly sprout up ? I dunno - smells like somethine we all hope for whilst we sit wanking into caviar in our top hats whilst sipping champagne out of high class call girls munchattas.

[Tasty]

Durango to Wii gap is much larger than X360 to Wii U.

Certainly, I'm expecting that. But the more important thing in my eyes is whether the Wii U to Durango gap is smaller than the Wii to 360 gap. It seems unlikely it isn't, so I'm not at upset at Wii U's performance.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

The argument they hold everyone back - like if they failed or didn't exist that games that run on super high end PCs would suddenly sprout up ? I dunno - smells like somethine we all hope for whilst we sit wanking into caviar in our top hats whilst sipping champagne out of high class call girls munchattas.

I hope while wanking into my caviar, you fear while sipping from your munchatta.  I talked facts, you conceded.  Your attempts at outlandish and distracting hypotheticals are noted.

[DCharlieJP]

Certainly, I'm expecting that. But the more important thing in my eyes is whether the Wii U to Durango gap is smaller than the Wii to 360 gap. It seems unlikely it isn't, so I'm not at upset at Wii U's performance.

doh got that statement wrong

the gap between Durango to Wii U is going to be wider than X360 to Wii.

MUCH wider.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH wider.

hope while wanking into my caviar, you fear while sipping from your munchatta.  I talked facts, you conceded.  Your attempts at outlandish and distracting hypotheticals are noted.

what facts did you bring? All i see is the usual nonsense that consoles killed some amazing super viable high end PC market that would just sprout up IF ONLY they weren't held back. I would LOVE a 1%'er PC market where companies fought to rag the utter shit out of top end PC hardware but those companies are few and far between unfortunately. The X720/PS4 are affecting design choices negatively, but that's about it.

the argument that the X720/PS4 is holding back PC glory would hold more water if PC game sales weren't found beached and in dire need of air some X years ago. That's way before X360 came along.

If anything - console gaming SAVED PC gaming. FACT!

[Van Cruncheon]

Durango to Wii gap is much larger than X360 to Wii U.

Certainly, I'm expecting that. But the more important thing in my eyes is whether the Wii U to Durango gap is smaller than the Wii to 360 gap. It seems unlikely it isn't, so I'm not at upset at Wii U's performance.

in terms of paper performance, the gap is wider. in terms of on-screen results, fanboys calibrate their eyes and expectations to suit their preferences. in terms of gaming scenarios the geometric increase in horsepower enables, the wii u won't be getting many port-me-downs regardless.

[Tasty]

doh got that statement wrong

the gap between Durango to Wii U is going to be wider than X360 to Wii.

MUCH wider.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH wider.

I guess we'll see, but I'm skeptical. Wii U is 2007-2009 era tech, while the competition will ostensibly be 2012, right? 3-5 year gap. Wii to 360 was at least a 5 year gap.

[Van Cruncheon]

pcs are too diverse, hardware-wise. only NOW has the baseline spec for a pc game exceeded the platform specifications for the 360/ps3.

Because the baseline specifications for PC games is the 360/PS3.  That's what the games are designed for.  Also, PC developers went over to console this gen.  This is embarrassing.

the only thing that held graphics and game implementations back was the fact that this generation went on WAY too fucking long. shit's gunna get real in 2013, though.

Shit's gunna get real shit.

no, *baseline* specifications are now one shader model advanced. rsx (an oldworld nvidia 7600/7800) and xenos (something like a radeon hd2000 with lower clocks and a weaker feature set) don't make min spec for most aaa pc games -- they require a geforce gtx 2xx or an ati radeon 4xxx.

[Owl-faced Wizard]

If anything - console gaming SAVED PC gaming. FACT!

[Van Cruncheon]

doh got that statement wrong

the gap between Durango to Wii U is going to be wider than X360 to Wii.

MUCH wider.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH wider.

I guess we'll see, but I'm skeptical. Wii U is 2007-2009 era tech, while the competition will ostensibly be 2012, right? 3-5 year gap. Wii to 360 was at least a 5 year gap.

feel free to disagree with me or posit your own scenarios. it's not like i have any knowledge or experience in this space, right :'(

[Tasty]

As far as I'm concerned you don't, unless you care to make yourself more transparent.

[Van Cruncheon]

no, i don't care to. enjoy the delta between now and when you're hilariously wrong!

[Eel O'Brian]

Ah, "Prove it!" The shittiest debate tactic .

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Even Nintendo doesn't defend their shitty hardware as much as Andrex

[MCD]

Van can prove it with his cock pics


Please post cock pics I need a MS flavored cock so bad MMMMMM SURFACE COCK RT

[Human Snorenado]

Oh andy, keep fucking that chicken.  Someone has been consistently right re: weeeeeoooooo tech specs in this thread, and it ain't you

[pilonv1]

Ah, "Prove it!" The shittiest debate tactic .

I prefered the previous pages "well Nintendo could have given us something from 2006 so something form 2007 is great!" argument.

[Eel O'Brian]

Van can prove it with his cock pics


Please post cock pics I need a MS flavored cock so bad MMMMMM SURFACE COCK RT

[Tasty]

Even Nintendo doesn't defend their shitty hardware as much as Andrex

I think you need to reread my posts on the last page. This is basically all I've said on the matter:

1 GB RAM is about what we were expecting (but not hoping) for.

8 GB storage is kind of lame, but probably a non-issue for the people that care about it.

Shader Model 4.0 is a nice surprise, I think.

Debating the finer points of speculation regarding other consoles and where Wii U sits in the Nintendo pantheon has nothing to do with the actual hardware or my comments to do with it.

Oh andy, keep fucking that chicken.  Someone has been consistently right re: weeeeeoooooo tech specs in this thread, and it ain't you

If I've been wrong about Wii U's specs itself, feel free to say so. But saying I'm wrong about consoles that haven't even been announced yet, nor have I really definitively taken a stand on, isn't the same thing.

[Positive Touch]

my favorite andrex posts are the ones where you can feel his seething jealousy towards industry insiders that crush him with info that he cant access

[Tasty]

my favorite andrex posts are the ones where you can feel his seething jealousy towards industry insiders that crush him with info that he cant access

Well I mean, there's no reason to be smug about it. :'(

[T-Short]

my favorite andrex posts are the ones where you can feel his seething jealousy towards industry insiders that crush him with info that he cant access

Well I mean, there's no reason to be smug about it. :'(

There's even less reason to get confrontational about it and ask people to break NDA:s

[Tasty]

my favorite andrex posts are the ones where you can feel his seething jealousy towards industry insiders that crush him with info that he cant access

Well I mean, there's no reason to be smug about it. :'(

There's even less reason to get confrontational about it and ask people to break NDA:s

From your point of view. :3

[T-Short]

my favorite andrex posts are the ones where you can feel his seething jealousy towards industry insiders that crush him with info that he cant access

Well I mean, there's no reason to be smug about it. :'(

There's even less reason to get confrontational about it and ask people to break NDA:s

From your point of view. :3

Huh?

[Trent Dole]

Andy goin' full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow up in here.

[pilonv1]

He's going to be batshit insane on Thursday

[Damian79]

Andrex i think you are wrong regarding the tech of the WiiU, they made it so that the console is in line with the 360 and not much more.  So imo it is 2006 tech at best.

As for the whole porting thing, yeah Van Cruncheon is probably right.  It is a huge mistake on nintendo's part to try and get ports.  Thsi port business is going to hurt them.  Peopel are going to see some ports for the first year of the Wii and nothing after that.

That said, i dont beileve the majority of us will see much difference in sales.  For me personally going from virtually no aa to smaa is hardly noticeable, 1080p hides those jaggies real well for me.  So i doubt i can see the visual detail as pronounced as the Wii -> 360 on WiiU ->720 or what it is.