Author Topic: DOA5 Ultimate: F2P On PS3, All NG Characters Playable, Ein, Leon In; $40 (Read 63288 times)

MCD · « **on:** September 14, 2011, 09:51:01 AM »

Killing is no good

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THINK

THINK!

~~No trailer yet for DOA5 but it's confirmed for X360/PS3.~~

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iconoclast · « **Reply #1 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:29:40 AM »

I'm looking forward to seeing DOA5. I still think that that is the series Hayashi should be focusing on, since there is a hell of a lot more room for improvement compared to NG (which he has already proven to be incompetent toward).

MCD · « **Reply #2 on:** September 14, 2011, 10:56:39 AM »

DOA5 trailer is up.

magus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:16:00 AM »

they went a whole DOA trailer without any boobies?

MCD · « **Reply #4 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:19:26 AM »

There are probably more trailers like a CG one.

This was just leaked.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #5 on:** September 14, 2011, 11:49:19 AM »

Where R da boobz

Diunx · « **Reply #6 on:** September 14, 2011, 12:11:29 PM »

The most boring fighting series after smash brothers returns!

Beezy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 14, 2011, 12:15:10 PM »

Mortal Kombat returned earlier this year.

Diunx · « **Reply #8 on:** September 14, 2011, 12:20:03 PM »

MK at least has ultra violence going for it.

Himu · « **Reply #9 on:** September 14, 2011, 12:58:32 PM »

I love NG and DOA but Hayashi sucks fuck both of these games.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2011, 01:18:08 PM »

I <3 breastises

Beezy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2011, 01:41:52 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2011, 01:49:11 PM »

Dead or Alive > Mortal Kombat, Tekken, a whole buncha shit

Dead or Alive's biggest asset is it stage design. It has THE best stage design out of any 3d fighter and natural fluidity that games like Tekken and Mortal Kombat just flat out lack.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:02:07 PM »

I loved the multi-tiered stages in VF3, I thought that was fucking awesome. Then all the VF players were like "DURR I WANT TO FIGHT IN A SQUARE" and DOA took over and made shit even more bonkers.

magus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 14, 2011, 01:49:11 PM

Dead or Alive's biggest asset

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 14, 2011, 02:02:07 PM

I loved the multi-tiered stages in VF3, I thought that was fucking awesome. Then all the VF players were like "DURR I WANT TO FIGHT IN A SQUARE" and DOA took over and made shit even more bonkers.

Yep

Himu · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2011, 02:06:54 PM »

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The industry's most underrated fighter: Dead or Alive Ultimate for xbox

amazing game

drew · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2011, 04:31:58 PM »

ninja gaiden is dead to me

DEAD

Robo · « **Reply #18 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:14:02 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 14, 2011, 02:02:07 PM

I loved the multi-tiered stages in VF3, I thought that was fucking awesome. Then all the VF players were like "DURR I WANT TO FIGHT IN A SQUARE" and DOA took over and made shit even more bonkers.

The undulating and sloping stages were definitely cool and innovative at the time, but they ultimately proved to have a nasty effect on the balancing; certain stages dramatically favoring characters with lots of juggle options on a particular player side; dropping combos because of the ground level -- that sort of thing. Flat and square is boring, but fair. That's essentially AM2's post-VF3 philosophy in a nutshell.

bork · « **Reply #19 on:** September 14, 2011, 05:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Robo on September 14, 2011, 05:14:02 PM

Quote from: Sho Nuff on September 14, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
I loved the multi-tiered stages in VF3, I thought that was fucking awesome. Then all the VF players were like "DURR I WANT TO FIGHT IN A SQUARE" and DOA took over and made shit even more bonkers.

The undulating and sloping stages were definitely cool and innovative at the time, but they ultimately proved to have a nasty effect on the balancing; certain stages dramatically favoring characters with lots of juggle options on a particular player side; dropping combos because of the ground level -- that sort of thing. Flat and square is boring, but fair. That's essentially AM2's post-VF3 philosophy in a nutshell.

And so instead of working to improve/balance this, AM2 just went back to VF2. $:-\$

Raban · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:07:23 PM »

Isn't that a genre-wide phenomenon? If idea fails, roll back to the last one that worked.

Robo · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2011, 06:11:24 PM »

I'm glad they did. VF4/5 fits a specific niche of technicality, precision and no-bullshit. Randomness isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there's a place for it elsewhere.

bork · « **Reply #22 on:** September 15, 2011, 02:44:11 PM »

Quote from: Robo on September 14, 2011, 06:11:24 PM

I'm glad they did. VF4/5 fits a specific niche of technicality, precision and no-bullshit. Randomness isn't necessarily a bad thing, but there's a place for it elsewhere.

This is the problem. It doesn't have to be "randomness." They didn't even try to work on it in an update or sequel.

Robo · « **Reply #23 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:25:22 PM »

It's definitely true that they simply rolled it back, but it's inevitable that any variations in the stages will potentially effect different characters in different ways; even the size of the ring, which does vary in VF4/5, can amount to a potential advantage for particular characters.

I think not making it a factor AT ALL was the right direction for that particular series.

Himu · « **Reply #24 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:39:36 PM »

I disagree. I always considered the ring just as much a strategic point as countering and blocking in VF. Ring expansion is clearly the next step up for me.

Robo · « **Reply #25 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:43:11 PM »

The difference is you have direct control over that stuff, whereas the stage is typically chosen by one person, and not necessarily even randomly.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:57:20 PM »

So? Characters are chosen by players too, and we are forced to learn their strengths and weaknesses as well.

Robo · « **Reply #27 on:** September 15, 2011, 04:27:36 PM »

No, I mean, you're right; it's just a matter of philosophy, really, that I'm glad a particular series exists to encompass and differentiate itself with. If you proposed that if you put Tekken/DOA stages with minimal sloping in VF5 that it would have no effect on the outcome of a match 98% of the time, I would have to agree with that, but in theory, the potential for an unearned advantage remains.

Himu · « **Reply #28 on:** September 15, 2011, 05:07:55 PM »

VF3 isn't bad. Underrated imo

originalz · « **Reply #29 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:06:24 PM »

Anyone who argues for flashy bullshit in the stages to get in the way and look "pretty" obviously doesn't understand competitive fighting games. DOA will never really be a "serious" fighter, so they can throw whatever they want and it'll still be fun. For a game like VF or Tekken which has a very strong competitive scene, the key is to make things balanced as possible. It's hard enough to keep the characters balanced on a flat plane without worrying about stupid shit getting in the way. All of that shit really hurt Tekken 4 and VF3, they were the lowest point in the series and much less popular than other releases. I'd say the way that Tekken does it is pretty good, either having stages with walls or without them, adding to the variety and risk of getting a stage design that's favorable to your matchup, but still being a fairly uniform design so that you don't have to develop a strategy for every single stage pattern and worrying about getting the one stage that unfairly changes the matchup.

Himu · « **Reply #30 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:11:08 PM »

Who said anything about flash? Kicking someone off a mountain is legit strategy.

MCD · « **Reply #31 on:** September 16, 2011, 07:27:57 PM »

The fuck is this...

Raban · « **Reply #32 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:30:47 PM »

RIP Ninja Gaiden

Himu · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2011, 10:33:28 PM »

wow DMC > NG3

RIP NG

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:43:13 PM »

I love how heavy handed the "killing is bad!" thing was at E3. All the enemies were constantly screaming "Help me!" and "I don't want to dieeeee!!!!"

Japan

cool breeze · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:03:06 PM »

yeah wtf is that?

I saw a tgs video and the last of like a dozen troops takes off his mask and is all "don't kills me, mate. I got a family! you're not human!"

it's not the one from the OP. it was in the middle of a battle and you had to walk towards him as he was begging.

maybe if they gave you choices: knock out - kill - sadistically mutilate

Diunx · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:07:51 PM »

Quote from: MCD on September 16, 2011, 07:27:57 PM

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The fuck is this...

omg

MCD · « **Reply #37 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:05:49 AM »

http://www.1up.com/news/tgs-team-ninja-hayashi-shows

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Hayashi says the neckwear was a gift from a fan, and he wore it at the show today to reference the return of NES Ninja Gaiden writer Masato Kato to the franchise, since Kato is back working on Ninja Gaiden 3. Kato is perhaps best known for writing SNES classic Chrono Trigger, and he's not the only NES throwback in NG3, since the new game also brings back movements like wall climbing from the old days.

Fucking dinosaurs ruining everything.

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:42:16 AM »

why the fuck are they concentrating on story in ninja gaiden??!

I feel like Milhouse watching Ichy and Scratchy and Poochie on the way to the fireworks factory.

MCD · « **Reply #39 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:24:32 AM »

They were cool but come on, this "consequences" shit isn't gonna fly in modern NG.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #40 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:48:19 AM »

Hideo Kojima is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry. My ears perk up and I'm obligated to make a post whenever his shittiness is being discussed.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #41 on:** September 18, 2011, 10:51:55 AM »

360 loses two exclusives what a glorious day

Himu · « **Reply #42 on:** September 18, 2011, 10:56:53 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on September 18, 2011, 06:40:55 AM

wow wrath, you just plummeted to himu levels

just wow

that's an insult. don't you dare compare mgs4 fuckery to me. i thought we were friends!

Himu · « **Reply #43 on:** September 18, 2011, 10:58:29 AM »

Quote from: Wrath2X on September 18, 2011, 05:49:12 AM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 18, 2011, 03:42:16 AM
why the fuck are they concentrating on story in ninja gaiden??!

I feel like Milhouse watching Ichy and Scratchy and Poochie on the way to the fireworks factory.

The sad thing is, you are Milhouse in real life.

since milhouse owns, these are beautiful words

MCD · « **Reply #44 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:48:10 PM »

http://andriasang.com/comy8q/

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■Itagaki's Daughter

Separate from Devil's Third, Impress mentioned that Tecmo Koei had announced Dead or Alive 5 earlier in the week. Of course, Dead or Alive is Itagaki's baby. Asked for his impression, Itagaki said, "It was announced? I still haven't seen it myself, so I'm not in a position to comment."

Impress pressed further and asked if as the series' father it feels a bit odd to see the series be continued on without him. Itagaki replied that while there are some creators like that, he is different. He views Dead or Alive as like having given a daughter off to be married. It would be bad for a father to always be protective of his daughter. He can only hope that she is given happiness.

Oh Itagaki.

Himu · « **Reply #45 on:** September 18, 2011, 12:58:13 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #46 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:22:40 PM »

these games will likely suck so let's turn this into an itagaki x saints row thread

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Sho Nuff · « **Reply #47 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:36:52 PM »

Quote from: MCD on September 18, 2011, 12:48:10 PM

http://andriasang.com/comy8q/

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■Itagaki's Daughter

Separate from Devil's Third, Impress mentioned that Tecmo Koei had announced Dead or Alive 5 earlier in the week. Of course, Dead or Alive is Itagaki's baby. Asked for his impression, Itagaki said, "It was announced? I still haven't seen it myself, so I'm not in a position to comment."

Impress pressed further and asked if as the series' father it feels a bit odd to see the series be continued on without him. Itagaki replied that while there are some creators like that, he is different. He views Dead or Alive as like having given a daughter off to be married. It would be bad for a father to always be protective of his daughter. He can only hope that she is given happiness.

Oh Itagaki.

That's actually a really nice quote from him. I was expecting him to say "I HAVE NO DAUGHTER! I'm going to go take a shit!"

drew · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:17:35 PM »

i can't understand a thing that interpreter is saying in english when itagaki is talking

Diunx · « **Reply #49 on:** September 18, 2011, 07:38:50 PM »

Quote from: Wrath2X on September 18, 2011, 05:49:12 AM

Oh I remember, my point still stands. And yes I loved MGS4, mostly cause I love convoluted unnecessary mindfuckery.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #50 on:** September 19, 2011, 12:39:48 AM »

MGS4 is the game that made me feel nothing but pity for mocap cleanup animators

Raban · « **Reply #51 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:09:17 AM »

I don't care what you folks have to say about MGS4 as a game, but the fact that it shows up in a thread about games that have almost nothing to do with it speaks to its influence.

That said, all I really liked about MGS4 was the improvements it made to the controls and systems of the third game, all of which are thrown out the window about halfway through the game in favor of cinematics. It's been said before; MGS4:VR Missions would be sooo good

MCD · « **Reply #52 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:19:13 AM »

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/18/hayashi-ninja-gaiden-3s-dismemberment-free-gameplay-adds-meani/

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"For Ninja Gaiden 3," Hayashi told me, "we wanted to focus on the act of cutting someone down, and what it's like to actually kill someone with a sword. Once you start lopping off limbs, your enemy goes from being a living thing that you're killing to just a thing."

And to hammer the point home (or katana the point home, if you prefer) that these are real human beings you're flipping out and killing, he continued. "When you're actually cutting into a person, and you feel them getting scared, and the blood is spraying right on you, you hear their dying breaths in your ear -- that's the kind of visceral violence we're going for in Ninja Gaiden 3." In the demo level I played, by the way, the enemy soldiers start pleading for their lives as soon as you begin attacking them.

At this point you might think, as I did, that you're going to start feeling guilty about cutting into all these bodies. That's ... kind of the idea. "Ryu Hayabusa is a dark hero," Hayashi explained. "If people want to take the easy way out or a cleaner way out -- not killing people -- that's not what the story is about and what Ryu Hayabusa is about. To be a dark hero, you have to do bad things in order to do good."

This isn't Ninja Guyver ffs.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #53 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:22:06 AM »

sounds like japan.

iconoclast · « **Reply #54 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:27:04 AM »

I'm starting to think that Hayashi has never played any iteration of Ninja Gaiden, including his own. Maybe he was the janitor at Team Ninja's HQ, and Itagaki named him his successor as his final act of vengeance against Tecmo.

MCD · « **Reply #55 on:** September 19, 2011, 01:39:18 AM »

originalz · « **Reply #56 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:49:58 AM »

Kane and Lynch did a good job of making you feel like a horrible monster, I guess. It kind of worked since you knew that you were playing as evil people. You would just go on a rampage and hear people pleading with you about how they have a family back home and etc...

Somehow I don't see Ninja Gaiden as a series which needs this layer of depth in combat.

Diunx · « **Reply #57 on:** September 19, 2011, 09:38:49 AM »

This game sounds hilarious

MCD · « **Reply #58 on:** December 07, 2011, 10:38:13 PM »

http://vgimg.com/194/dead-or-alive-5/

Forget Ninja Gaiden 3, DOA5 is hot hot hot.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #59 on:** December 08, 2011, 12:26:18 AM »

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