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why don't you pick up tv/film as a hobby, it's more of what you want
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go play your n64 then

tv/film is my hobby too

I think we will see Unreal 4 tech demo this E3,maybe Crytek shows some shit too.
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Nah,a bit more than two,I just don't talk about it much.

Played RE4 HD few days ago.

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We will be stuck in 2005 gaming tech ghetto for 2 more years because of 360 sales.

 :piss 360 sales
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Select plays in Madden on a phone, then watch it play out on the TV.

Wow that sounds great





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Select plays in Madden on a phone, then watch it play out on the TV.

Wow that sounds great





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Every time I hear about these type of "play anywhere" scenarios, they all sound terrible. Like this FIFA one.

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“Imagine a player gets up in the morning, plays an online match on his 360 before going to work,” he said. “On the bus, on his way to work, he practices his free kicks on his tablet. At lunch he looks at the transfer window on his PC. On the way home he chooses his kit on his smartphone.

“Here’s the thing: when he gets home to play again on his 360 that evening, all those achievements and upgrades will be alive in his game ”

Not sure how practicing free kicks on a table translates to a controller, unless he means player progression. No one is interested in this, only the publishers are as a way of further bleeding their hardcore users dry instead of attracting new audiences.

The only one that sounded remotely interesting was the Forza design on a mobile device/pc then upload to the Xbox game.
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p. obvious that their plan is to launch a redesigned model after 3 years that removes BC.
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bc gets everyone to hop on board early so they can still play their old games; take it out later because no one will want to play old games anymore except for select nerds who prolly will hold on to their 360s anyway
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I can actually see myself coming back to a lotmof XBLA games in the future tbh

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The return of the VMU :rock

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of Windows Phone connectivity.  I guess anything to bolster that whopping 2% market share.
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Re: the discussion on how analysts generate cost breakdowns. This is part of what I do for a living so I have some insight perhaps.

These are usually put together from multiple 'channel checks'. If a company like Megachips, which makes hardware for Nintendo, has shipped xxx chips to Nintendo and posted xxx sales on those chips, you know how much they are charging Nintendo for each chip. If the company in question supplies multiple components but posts a single sales figure, the analyst has to do some more legwork i.e. asking a company IR guy straight-up how much they got paid for each unit of a given component.

Usually this stuff falls under NDA or securities trading regulations, but IR guys are generally keen to paint rosy pictures of their mega-sales to hot console manufacturers, so will usually let it slip somehow, often as a range rather than a specific figure and often with a 'do not quote me' dictum. If they don't oblige, the analyst will go to non-official sources within the company i.e. plant managers or other middle-managers. The analyst can still use these figures or ranges in their own estimates - they just won't cite them as being directly from the company.

In many cases, the analyst will come at a given input cost from multiple angles, trying to pin down both the hardware cost directly from the manufacturer and the sum-of-the-parts of all the various component costs.

So it depends to a large extent on how good the analysts' sources are, and how much they are trusted. In many cases, an analyst will know EXACTLY but be unable to say that without losing his source, so will fuzz it up a bit.
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from all appearances, maxy plays like two games a year.

Seems morel like plays hundreds of games a year that are rip offs of two games (Halo and Gearz)
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« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 02:49:17 AM by maxy »
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All XBLA games need to work on the next xbox, with our without the hardware BC. It would be total bullshit if it didn't.
This, big time. Might get in the way of their allowing friends lists to go over 100 though (but who cares about that? You don't really have 100 friends, shut up).
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Pics posted on this page were part of much bigger doc(56 pages),somebody posted them online

http://www.scribd.com/doc/92821757/XBox-720-9-24-Checkpoint-Draft-1

or click at the link bellow(plenty of pictures)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62038







Few interesting things

1.$299(with Kinect 2)
2.8x360 performance target,backwards compatibility,always on feature
3.Kinect kinect kinect,tablets,phones,glasses---connected anywhere
4.Cloud gaming in 2015
5.Licensable architecture
« Last Edit: June 16, 2012, 10:37:05 AM by maxy »
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #616 on: June 16, 2012, 01:29:25 PM »
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #617 on: June 16, 2012, 01:31:27 PM »
Probably requires a monthly fee; maybe no more Silver XBL accounts? Or possibly they're amortizing the costs against predicted percentages of digital purchases?

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« Reply #618 on: June 16, 2012, 01:37:18 PM »
This is supposedly made in 2010,probably a early pitch doc...if true

Internet can produce some amazing fakes
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #619 on: June 16, 2012, 02:48:55 PM »
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit
that price would completely gut nintendo and especially sony.

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Re: the discussion on how analysts generate cost breakdowns. This is part of what I do for a living so I have some insight perhaps.

These are usually put together from multiple 'channel checks'. If a company like Megachips, which makes hardware for Nintendo, has shipped xxx chips to Nintendo and posted xxx sales on those chips, you know how much they are charging Nintendo for each chip. If the company in question supplies multiple components but posts a single sales figure, the analyst has to do some more legwork i.e. asking a company IR guy straight-up how much they got paid for each unit of a given component.

Usually this stuff falls under NDA or securities trading regulations, but IR guys are generally keen to paint rosy pictures of their mega-sales to hot console manufacturers, so will usually let it slip somehow, often as a range rather than a specific figure and often with a 'do not quote me' dictum. If they don't oblige, the analyst will go to non-official sources within the company i.e. plant managers or other middle-managers. The analyst can still use these figures or ranges in their own estimates - they just won't cite them as being directly from the company.

In many cases, the analyst will come at a given input cost from multiple angles, trying to pin down both the hardware cost directly from the manufacturer and the sum-of-the-parts of all the various component costs.

So it depends to a large extent on how good the analysts' sources are, and how much they are trusted. In many cases, an analyst will know EXACTLY but be unable to say that without losing his source, so will fuzz it up a bit.

Thanks for the insight, very interesting. So those estimations are actually pretty accurate in most cases.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #621 on: June 16, 2012, 03:52:42 PM »
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit
$99 xbox360. likely same deal.

No bullshit SKU will be like $450

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« Reply #622 on: June 16, 2012, 04:11:52 PM »
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #623 on: June 16, 2012, 10:39:03 PM »
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit
$99 xbox360. likely same deal.

No bullshit SKU will be like $450
I'd be on board for $450 if that included the biggest hard drive and all.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #624 on: June 16, 2012, 11:28:59 PM »
Does anyone think they'll have wifi built in or are they gonna try and charge another $100 for a wifi adapter this gen.
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« Reply #625 on: June 16, 2012, 11:54:16 PM »
Even the Wii had built in Wifi.
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« Reply #626 on: June 17, 2012, 12:00:46 AM »
360 slim has wifi, shit TVs have wifi in them lots now. Doubt MS would take a step back, especially sine they're all about being a multimedia hub with their consoles.
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« Reply #627 on: June 17, 2012, 01:05:04 AM »
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Does anyone think they'll have wifi built in or are they gonna try and charge another $100 for a wifi adapter this gen.

Of course it will have wifi,how else they could stream shit to phones,tablets,TVs,etc
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« Reply #628 on: June 17, 2012, 01:20:03 AM »
Of course it'll have wifi but I wonder how big the hard drive will be with the focus on all around media experience. I'm guessing it won't be SSD and will be proprietary.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #629 on: June 18, 2012, 02:42:54 AM »
Are we really gonna see the same XBL fees again next gen? On top of online passes and day 1 DLC and all the other bullshit 'monetization'? I know the answer but still :yuck
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« Reply #630 on: June 18, 2012, 03:05:06 AM »
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Are we really gonna see the same XBL fees again next gen? On top of online passes and day 1 DLC and all the other bullshit 'monetization'? I know the answer but still

bu bu bu bu now you get to take on that cost/risk that MS usually takes with a console launch with an enforced unbreakable 2 year mandatory Xbox Live PLATINUM account that gives you access to all that free shit (DLC costs still apply, sorry) you can get on PCs* . BU BU BU Apple do it i don't see you complaining about THAT.... mi mi mi excuse excuse excuse... you can almost see it coming.... :(

* - until Windows 8 - sorry guys, the free ride is up. Everyone off. Internet++ is a "high quality premium content experience"** that requires a fee and we're all going to be paying for the new awesome

** - High quality premium content experience = all the same stuff you previously got for free, possibly new font/logo

(not really, but i bet you at least one Quench has thought of this and raised it in some meeting somewhere on the planet)


I just have this feeling that gaming is going to suck so badly in the next 5 years or so that even the stuff that we think sucks now will be looked back on in a fond "lol, remember when we moaned about how that minor stuff was sucky?" sort of way.



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« Reply #631 on: June 18, 2012, 03:07:35 AM »
indeed, horse armor seems perfectly normal/harmless now after the last few years of dedicated arse-rapery.

I don't buy DLC etc much and anticipate spending far less next gen than this gen. It's still aggravating to think you are never fucking DONE paying for a thing though.
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« Reply #632 on: June 18, 2012, 03:19:17 AM »
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indeed, horse armor seems perfectly normal/harmless now after the last few years of dedicated arse-rapery.

I don't buy DLC etc much and anticipate spending far less next gen than this gen. It's still aggravating to think you are never fucking DONE paying for a thing though.


Yeah, well - joking and guffaws aside the Wii U being a complete casket of soggy c0cks has made that one thing i know i can skip. Sony and MS have to step to the plate and show me that they are above and beyond. It's hard to justify a new console spend right now, it'll be even harder soon.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Xbox 720 document leak
« Reply #633 on: June 18, 2012, 03:28:27 AM »
I just really can't foresee myself plunking down money on a console when I could just sink it into a new pc/upgrades for my existing rig.  Like, so much good shit on Steam it's distinguished mentally-challenged.

MS/Sony are really gonna have to convince me, and I don't think the argument "We're the Halo/Uncharted box!" is gonna work.
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« Reply #634 on: June 18, 2012, 03:29:39 AM »
it'll be a hell of a lot easier not to accumulate new hardware this time around, that's for sure. No time to play anything.
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« Reply #635 on: June 18, 2012, 03:35:11 AM »
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No time to play anything.

yeah - that's the key point now. It's over, it's done.... "you can play games after everyone goes to bed!"

... or... i can sleep ! I wonder which one will win tonizzzzzzzz zZZ ZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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« Reply #636 on: June 18, 2012, 01:01:26 PM »
I have no doubts about getting a 720 day 1. My kids love to play the Kinect games at their aunt's house. I even enjoyed the new Tiger Woods. Even won $10 on the match. I don't see it as a hard sell to the family. Plus, it let's me keep the 360 in the computer room where I can play it.
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« Reply #637 on: June 18, 2012, 09:52:50 PM »
For me, time is going to be the biggest issue.

Considering all of the money I poured into building a gaming rig, plus owning a PS3 with a healthy backlog of games I own and want to own, I just don't think it would be fiscally responsible of me to buy these new consoles for the time being.  Considering how the next batch of consoles will probably have touch screens, waggling, gesticulating, and IAP that makes me look back at horse armor with warm nostalgia, I'm not sure I'm cut out for this next generation.  Maybe I will pick up a cheap 720 a few years from now.  Back in the day in HS, I had at least 30-40 hours of spare time a week to dig through games.  These days, less than 10.
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« Reply #638 on: June 19, 2012, 04:34:24 AM »
Im not even level 60 in Diablo, where my time at?

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« Reply #639 on: June 19, 2012, 12:22:59 PM »
Why exclusive, why do you care about that? Why go for PS again Borys?

You'd think the clusterfuck that is PSN and all those slow updates would push you to the xbox.

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« Reply #640 on: June 23, 2012, 01:53:38 AM »
CVG has dissected the document

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/355035/xbox-720-files-microsofts-master-plan-for-the-next-xbox/
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But in the intervening days, CVG has conversed with publishing executives, games studios and an expert in 3D technologies to examine every single detail in the document.

In doing so, CVG was told by one anonymous source that the 56-page file is genuine.
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« Reply #641 on: June 23, 2012, 02:09:54 AM »
Maybe i have said it before in the thread but with a backlog of games on my PS3, 360, PC and i might even create one on 3DS and Vita, i can wait a while until next gen settles in and gets cheaper.

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« Reply #642 on: June 23, 2012, 02:24:34 AM »


This image is pretty interesting,consoles finally going out from cheap,small,toy looking ghetto?

People don't seem to mind audio/video electronic equipment sizes.

tl;dr

next xbox to look like this



current 720 rumors---8GB RAM,8 core AMD CPU

3GB RAM dedicated to OS
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« Reply #643 on: June 23, 2012, 05:08:20 AM »
Holodeck,Borys.

Hot blonde coming out of the TV,interactive entertainment... :drool
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« Reply #644 on: November 01, 2012, 01:01:10 PM »
http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/

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Multiple sources have confirmed to VG247 today that a new version of the Orbis kit is now shipping to developers, and that it’s housed in a normal PC case.

There are to be four versions of the dev kit, we were told. A previous version was essentially just a graphics card. The version shipping now is a “modified PC,” and the third version, appearing in January, will be close to final spec. A final version will be delivered to developers “next summer”.

Some US developers attended a “disclosure meeting” at Sony’s offices this week, with a further meeting to take place in the coming weeks. The purpose of the meeting is for Sony to tell studios what the machine is designed to do, to detail hardware and to show a set of presentations.

Our source told us that Sony is only calling the machine Orbis, and is not using the words “PlayStation 4″ in these meetings at all.

Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMD’s A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.

PS4′s APU was described today as a “derivative” of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is “based on A10 system and base platform”.

The “ultimate goal” for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with “no problem,” to create a machine that’s powerful enough for “today and tomorrow’s market”.

The dev kits have “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.”

The hardware is not being made in Japan, it was said.

When asked if PS4 will have an optical drive, specifically Blu-ray, our source responded: “Of course it has.” We’ve been told the hard drive will be 256Gb “as standard,” but it’s not clear if it’ll be a normal HDD or a solid state drive.

We were told that Sony’s aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something “very affordable” but that “isn’t a slouch”.

The machine has WiFi and Ethernet connectivity and HDMI out. Our source said the was “no difference” between PlayStation 3 and Orbis input/output.

The UI, however, has been revamped. It was said today that players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel “anywhere” on the system. An example given was buying DLC from the PS Store mid-game then seamlessly returning to play.

“They’re trying to make it as fluid as possible,” our source said.

We were also told that the machine will be designed to accept system and product updates in the background, and that it’ll “always be in standby mode”. When you set the console up, we were told, you’ll be asked if you want to allow background downloads. You can, of course, disallow them.

No details have been given on the pad as yet. Confirmation is expected this month.

Orbis is expected to be announced at an event “just before E3″ next year.

Bold part is the most important bit

Fall 2013 release confirmed.
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« Reply #645 on: November 01, 2012, 01:03:53 PM »
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Our source told us that Sony is only calling the machine Orbis, and is not using the words “PlayStation 4″ in these meetings at all.

Doesn't matter. Sony isn't going to walk away from the brand name after only one misstep. Look at Walkman, which is still in use despite being largely irrelevant to current customers.

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« Reply #646 on: November 01, 2012, 01:05:02 PM »
It'll probably be Playstation Orbis.
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« Reply #647 on: November 01, 2012, 01:08:21 PM »
Yeah,probably playstation something,no numbers.
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« Reply #648 on: November 01, 2012, 01:09:05 PM »
Playstation is as strong as brand as xbox prob still stronger so they won't drop it.

Despite Sony losing this gen (psn is shit, ps3 is shit) in numbers they are equal to Xbox almost.

Playstation Orbis would be horrible though, just like Vita.

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« Reply #649 on: November 01, 2012, 01:20:26 PM »
Number 4 is not welcome in Asian cultures,i think.

Kinda like number 13 in the West.
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« Reply #650 on: November 01, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »
Playstation DEATH!
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« Reply #651 on: November 01, 2012, 01:28:37 PM »
at this point i'm so divorced from both console eco-systems that I'll jump to whatever is cooler.

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« Reply #652 on: November 01, 2012, 01:57:09 PM »
It depends on backwards compatibility for me, I think.  My PS3 is 6 years old at this point and I don't know how much longer it will last.  If my choice is between buying cheap PS3 and a PS4 that's my PS3+new stuff, I'd go with the latter, unless it's stupidly expensive.  Same situation with the 360.

also, Sony needs to design a new controller.
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« Reply #653 on: November 01, 2012, 02:01:53 PM »
Orbis = Circle in Latin
Vita = Life in Latin



CIRCLE OF LIFE

More like circle of death, am i rite
I'm right.

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« Reply #654 on: November 03, 2012, 08:00:56 PM »
It depends on backwards compatibility for me, I think.  My PS3 is 6 years old at this point and I don't know how much longer it will last.  If my choice is between buying cheap PS3 and a PS4 that's my PS3+new stuff, I'd go with the latter, unless it's stupidly expensive.  Same situation with the 360.

also, Sony needs to design a new controller.

I'm willing to bet we won't see backwards compatibility unless either the architecture is similar or they release a special BC version that they won't maintain.

They get an early sell point with BC but after a year or two BC becomes a small issue as the next gen library becomes enough to stand on its own.  Also they loss out on the option of selling old remastered collections which they seem fond of at the moment. 

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« Reply #656 on: November 04, 2012, 03:11:08 AM »
Sony is done with BC,that is pretty clear.

That doesn't mean that PS3 games won't be on PS4,you will just have to pay for them again.
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« Reply #657 on: November 04, 2012, 03:25:21 AM »
PS++ feature
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« Reply #658 on: November 04, 2012, 05:19:28 AM »

This fits right here,some Chinese dude post about Battlefield 4
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-587771-1-1.html
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Lasgana: BF4
Lasgana: Coming October 23rd, 2013
Lasgana: development just started, expected to be done in 1 yr [Nirolak's Note: Since this is the one likely to elicit the most "this is fake" notes, I feel I should elaborate. Given some later points (like already have an internal demo), this seems to refer to EA's normal two year development cycle of a one year pre-production cycle with ~30-40 people and then ballooning up to 150-300 people to make the game after most things are prototyped and planned out. Visceral, BioWare, and a fair number of publishers outside EA also operate this way since it allows you to have multiple projects without cyclical layoffs due to scaling down in pre-production and scaling up in production. For example, during the downtime between Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 3, DICE's spare staff worked on making Medal of Honor's multiplayer and helping to build Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit. As to what the bulk of DICE's staff worked on prior to this going into production, it's probably either a second project or, once again, other EA games.]


Lasgana: will be on pc, ps3, xbox360 and next gen consoles
Lasgana: will be one of the first games for next gen consoles
Lasgana: commander system comes back
Lasgana: profile can be linked with other devices like ipad
Lasgana: auto login, need internet all time, support cloud saves
Lasgana: easier to pickup the game, to take care of players from CoD
Lasgana: support body and voice control for this commander system
Lasgana: better battlelog integration and better stats reporting
Lasgana: supports video playback and sharing
Lasgana: have gem store for dlc and other stuff like that
Lasgana: 3 factions: russia, usa and china
Lasgana: can deploy female soliders
Lasgana: frostbite 2.0 engine
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and xbox 720 supports 64 player maps
Lasgana: 360 and ps3 will be less
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and 720 will provide 60 fps
Lasgana: already have a demo video internally within EA,
Lasgana: matching the quality of BF3 already
Lasgana: bf4 will use 80% of power of frostbite 2, wheras bf3 only 30-40%
Lasgana: modern background
Lasgana: i mean story background

what to say...hmm :D

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archnemesis

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;PS4 rumors overload
« Reply #659 on: November 04, 2012, 05:23:03 AM »
It's nice that they're targeting 60 FPS for the next-gen consoles.