Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[maxy]

I think that's because EA wants some dirty quick money grab early release PC port.

There is some talk about some big publisher being very annoyed cuz "no next gen console was announced at 2012 E3"

[archnemesis]

Getting early console releases is generally a good idea especially when there is almost no risk involved. Why do you think they decided to skip a Wii U version? The lack of bros in the audience?

[mjemirzian]

I don't think about next gen consoles in terms of specs, more in terms of what experience they can provide.

60 FPS
Better AI
Less load times
More online integration
Multitasking
Region free
And of course.. good games!

[archnemesis]

Everything in your list except region free is tied to the specs. Better AI doesn't necessarily require a good CPU, but the other points are tightly linked to beefing up the components.

[mjemirzian]

Tied to the specs, sure. I'd just rather see the games prove themselves.

Also I've been terribly spoiled by my gaming PC.

[maxy]

Getting early console releases is generally a good idea especially when there is almost no risk involved. Why do you think they decided to skip a Wii U version? The lack of bros in the audience?

That is just a rumor,I see no real reason for avoiding WiiU in this case.EA is probably trying to shove Origin into WiiU and Nintendo is resisting...something like that

[cool breeze]

Getting early console releases is generally a good idea especially when there is almost no risk involved. Why do you think they decided to skip a Wii U version? The lack of bros in the audience?

Don't know why they'd skip it but the whole thing sounds similar to the Modern Combat situation.  Battlefield series for Xbox/PS2 with an enhanced port/version for 360 coming later; EA never bothered to make a Gamecube or Wii version.

Maybe EA will make some low-cost Medal of Honor Heroes games for the Vita and Wii U as compensation.

I'm willing to bet we won't see backwards compatibility unless either the architecture is similar or they release a special BC version that they won't maintain.

They get an early sell point with BC but after a year or two BC becomes a small issue as the next gen library becomes enough to stand on its own.  Also they loss out on the option of selling old remastered collections which they seem fond of at the moment.

yeah, I'm not that hopeful.  Early systems with BC support and later dropping it (PS3, Wii) and how Vita and 360 were handled (partial support through emulation, I think) are the only reason I have any hope to begin with.

But Sony still needs a new controller.  I'm talking about the design and stuff like analog buttons/d-pad, which are only used by fewer than 10 games, if that.

[maxy]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch

Microsoft is building its own 7-inch gaming tablet. Multiple sources familiar with plans within Redmond have confirmed to The Verge that initial hardware planning for an Xbox Surface is underway. Specifications for an Xbox Surface 7-inch tablet computing device leaked back in June ahead of Microsoft's Surface RT and Surface Pro announcement. We're told that the initial specs were accurate and that the final implementation is being worked on.

The Xbox Surface will likely include a custom ARM processor and high-bandwidth RAM designed specifically for gaming tasks. We're told these specifications could be altered to accommodate an unannounced Intel SoC and that the Xbox Surface is being developed independent of specific hardware architecture. Microsoft's Xbox Surface won't run a full version of Windows, rather this 7-inch tablet will run a custom Windows kernel. Messaging and other tablet functions may be supported, but the focus is on gaming.

SECRET HARDWARE, SECRET MANUFACTURING
Microsoft has developed a secret hardware production process for its Surface tablets that is separated from partners that traditionally manufacturer the company's Xbox console. We're told that the Xbox Surface will likely be manufactured in the same factory, but that any future "Xbox 720" console will be manufactured in mass quantities by companies like Pegatron or Foxconn.

We've learned that part of the Xbox Surface is being developed at Microsoft's offices in Silicon Valley. The software giant recently locked down several Xbox-related buildings, limiting employee access to the company's Interactive Entertainment Business division. The lock down is likely related to Microsoft's increased testing of the tablet, providing a way for other parts of the Xbox team to build games and software for the device. Providing the project doesn't get killed in favor of a full 7-inch Windows tablet, in the same way Microsoft axed Courier, expect to see the Xbox Surface debut ahead of Microsoft's future Xbox console.

few months ago this picture surfaced



yay

[maxy]

In that case it would have to be able to emulate 360.Tablet doing that...hmm

[maxy]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,but Arcade developers have full access to 360 hardware,just like any disc only dev.

[Eel O'Brian]

In a way I'm glad this console gen has lasted so long, it's definitely given me my money's worth with my pc investment. I'm still cranking almost every game all the way up on my GTX 460. I have everything maxed on Borderlands 2 except the PhysX.

[mjemirzian]

Umm, so MS is making its entry into the portable console (3DS, Vita, etc.) market? Or are they going for the smartphone that happens to play angry birds and fruit ninja iOS market?

[archnemesis]

Umm, so MS is making its entry into the portable console (3DS, Vita, etc.) market? Or are they going for the smartphone that happens to play angry birds and fruit ninja iOS market?

I can't imagine MS trying to sell a portable Xbox. They don't have the first-party studios to drive the sales and the Vita should be a discouraging example. I'm guessing this will more like the PlayStation-branded Xperia phones; a half-assed attempt that will fail miserably.

[maxy]

I don't think this is a phone,even though they will probably make a surface phone.


7 inch portable tablet,strongly tied with next xbox,affordable
Lots of things can go wrong,but who cares.Sitting on a big pile of money=bad.

Bring it on

[mjemirzian]

I don't see how their surface tablets will be any different from these proposed gaming tablets. I'm pretty confused by this generation of consoles and handhelds. E3 2013 should clear most of that up.

[chronovore]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch

Microsoft is building its own 7-inch gaming tablet. Multiple sources familiar with plans within Redmond have confirmed to The Verge that initial hardware planning for an Xbox Surface is underway. Specifications for an Xbox Surface 7-inch tablet computing device leaked back in June ahead of Microsoft's Surface RT and Surface Pro announcement. We're told that the initial specs were accurate and that the final implementation is being worked on.

The Xbox Surface will likely include a custom ARM processor and high-bandwidth RAM designed specifically for gaming tasks. We're told these specifications could be altered to accommodate an unannounced Intel SoC and that the Xbox Surface is being developed independent of specific hardware architecture. Microsoft's Xbox Surface won't run a full version of Windows, rather this 7-inch tablet will run a custom Windows kernel. Messaging and other tablet functions may be supported, but the focus is on gaming.

SECRET HARDWARE, SECRET MANUFACTURING
Microsoft has developed a secret hardware production process for its Surface tablets that is separated from partners that traditionally manufacturer the company's Xbox console. We're told that the Xbox Surface will likely be manufactured in the same factory, but that any future "Xbox 720" console will be manufactured in mass quantities by companies like Pegatron or Foxconn.

We've learned that part of the Xbox Surface is being developed at Microsoft's offices in Silicon Valley. The software giant recently locked down several Xbox-related buildings, limiting employee access to the company's Interactive Entertainment Business division. The lock down is likely related to Microsoft's increased testing of the tablet, providing a way for other parts of the Xbox team to build games and software for the device. Providing the project doesn't get killed in favor of a full 7-inch Windows tablet, in the same way Microsoft axed Courier, expect to see the Xbox Surface debut ahead of Microsoft's future Xbox console.

few months ago this picture surfaced
(Image removed from quote.)


yay

[MCD]

If it means getting this guy to drop the next Xbox on stage then YES GIVE ME XBOX SURFACE.

[maxy]

Another stupid/fantasy rumor

spoiler (click to show/hide)

– All three major players are going to play very aggressive hard ball starting in Summer 2013 right before E3. Both Sony and Microsoft are attempting to court in developers to next gen engines in attempt to starve Nintendo and mobile developers. However Nintendo is banking on the argument that the other two jumped too soon to upgrade, with only the top-tier of the triple A studios such as Infinity Ward, Crystal Dynamics, ect only having next-gen level technology with most being stuck on very advanced Unreal Engine 3 level tech.
 
– Nintendo is hoping to play it’s cards right with new hardware add ons and a huge first party push next year where they will reveal games for both holiday 2013 and 2014, a total of 1/3rd of their internal development software. Nintendo has also been shopping around for third party developers where instead of buying them outright, either funds projects or their marketing/localization to make them exclusive or feature packed for Wii U or Nintendo 3DS. Expect more projects like Bayonetta 2 to be announced next year including a partnership that will cause huge shocks when it’s announced even worse than Bayonetta 2. My sources do not think it’s the wildly talked about Devil’s Third being a Wii U exclusive because most people have been buzzing about that and Nintendo is “keeping it extremely close to it’s chest”.
 

Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be “very capable” of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers whether it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.
 
– Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaktai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 – $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.

– Microsoft is the most vague out of all of them. It’s slated to be the most powerful out of all the next gen consoles about 4 to 6 times more powerful than Wii U and 2 to 3 times more powerful than Playstation Omni. The project has gone through many name iterations and will not be decided on until shortly before it’s E3 unveiling. Microsoft is also running into manufacturing issues and developers not having games done on time so instead of delaying the launch to Summer 2014, they are thinking of “soft launching” it Holiday November 2013 and then have a full blow out in the summer. All units will come with Kinect 2 built in which can track up to four people, all objects in the living room, clothing, face structure and fingers. It can also understand different voices and has its own PPU. In 2014, Microsoft will introduce the “LiveWall”, a omni-projection unit that will allow game environments to be projected nearly 360 degrees around the user. Using Kinect 2, they have two demos of one that is a battlefield RTS and one that is a kung fu game with guys attacking all around. The LiveWall can also project different images on the wall, so people can play different games on different walls. Microsoft is prepared to champion this unit as a cheaper and more effective alternative to wearing a “goofy stupid VR headset” to combat Sony’s Omniviewer while Sony is going to point out the low resolution quality and the lack of privacy. The system is going to be very expensive in the $499 range so Microsoft is planning on using a remolded X-Box Live (Possibly renamed X-Box Life) to offer a Pro (Gold) subscription two or three-year contract to sell the unit at $300 – $399. The final goal with the tech is to shrink the system on a chip down enough so it can be put into tablets, PCs and Smart TVs so that all devices are X-Box ready.

[close]

http://dualpixels.com/2012/11/29/rumor-behind-the-scenes-with-first-party-hardware-and-third-party-softwear-next-gen/


dualpixels is known to make stuff up but I believe..........that PS4/720 will be released with some sort of revolutionary gimmicks

It seems like you cannot release anything these days unless it has some mass idiot hook  :'(

[Human Snorenado]

Next-gen sounds awful, sigh.

Don't worry, it will be the LAST gen. 

ONE STEAM POWERED FUTURE, BITCHES!  ALL HAIL BASED GABEN!

[maxy]

That's the great thing about video games. You can offer multiple experiences that all vary from one another all on one platform. It's exciting, even if one aspect isn't for you.

It's exciting as long as it stays far away from me but it won't if it gets packed with the system.

[Eel O'Brian]

believable:

- The new controllers whether it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay.

– Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaktai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud.

- All units will come with Kinect 2 built in which can track up to four people, all objects in the living room, clothing, face structure and fingers. It can also understand different voices and has its own PPU.

- The system is going to be very expensive in the $499 range so Microsoft is planning on using a remolded X-Box Live (Possibly renamed X-Box Life) to offer a Pro (Gold) subscription two or three-year contract to sell the unit at $300 – $399. The final goal with the tech is to shrink the system on a chip down enough so it can be put into tablets, PCs and Smart TVs so that all devices are X-Box ready.

modified:

- Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Vita and a pack-in game for $450-$499.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Vita should be a pack in ALWAYS and should be the defacto controller of the PS4. You should also be able to use normal sixaxis for games like fifa and shit.

[Takao]

If Sony was going to pack in a Vita they'd legitimately call it Orbis. Orbis is Latin for "Circle", Vita is latin for "Life" ergo if they're connected hardware, "circle of life". I don't think that'll happen though as production costs are too high for Sony to not take a blood bath on that pricing range, or they're essentially just re-releasing the PS3.

[Don Flamenco]

i have a feeling sony and MS are both gonna try to hit too many targets at once and come up with some ungodly control schemes.

[Cerveza mas fina]

If Sony was going to pack in a Vita they'd legitimately call it Orbis. Orbis is Latin for "Circle", Vita is latin for "Life" ergo if they're connected hardware, "circle of life". I don't think that'll happen though as production costs are too high for Sony to not take a blood bath on that pricing range, or they're essentially just re-releasing the PS3.

They could def do a PS3.5 + Vita for 399.

[Tasty]

- Not calling it PS4

- Dongle for BC, yeah right, just like Wii was supposed to get one for DVD playing

- VR glasses

- LOL that they actually know the price/date, no one knows that stuff a year beforehand

Rumor is totally bunko.

[Momo]

Next-gen sounds awful, sigh.

Don't worry, it will be the LAST gen. 

ONE STEAM POWERED FUTURE, BITCHES!  ALL HAIL BASED GABEN!

So you're finally giving up on Diablo 3 like the rest of us civil folk?

[cool breeze]

This can turn any TV into a 3D TV

Fake.  This won't benefit Bravia at all.

and writing fan fiction about corporations

[maxy]

WiiU hacker

https://twitter.com/marcan42

If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU.

720=1.3whimsy
 

Man, this info is killing 'em. Gotta hurt knowing that 720 is right in line witb the U, gonna be an interesting gen.

xbots

[pilonv1]

Even if it's 1.6ghz, I expect it to have optical out and support Dolby. So it will instantly be better.

[Tasty]

Even if it's 1.6ghz, I expect it to have optical out and support Dolby. So it will instantly be better.

Goal Post Moving Mode: Activated

[Shaka Khan]

If this news raised your hopes of the nextbox having comparative specs, you better snap out of it, kiddo. No goalposts have been moved: Wii U is still getting smoked.

[Diunx]

How many cores?

[maxy]

8

[Eel O'Brian]

so current rumors have 720 > PS4 > Wii U

deja vU

[Don Flamenco]

Even if it's 1.6ghz, I expect it to have optical out and support Dolby. So it will instantly be better.

Goal Post Moving Mode: Activated

that's not an example of goal post moving.  That's more like a double standard, but it's not even that because the 720 will objectively have more features.

[naff]

If this news raised your hopes of the nextbox having comparative specs, you better snap out of it, kiddo. No goalposts have been moved: Wii U is still getting smoked.

Like it hasn't been already

[Van Cruncheon]

oh, how i want to comment here

[Shaka Khan]

oh, how i want to comment here

Damn, that good?

Just answer me this: will it make the lives of the sheltered, privileged, tech-challenged back-seat filling, mini-van riding babbies cry gumdrop tears?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Ninthings really think MS is going to release two 360's ducktaped together?

You would think MS is easy to predict after moving in the same direction for the last 10 years with the xbox brand. Why would they change course now when living room domination is as close as it can get?

Then again Ninthings also think every gen 3rd parties will come back to the big N, although they havent really done that in 15 years...

[DCharlieJP]

Then again Ninthings also think every gen 3rd parties will come back to the big N

didn't you hear? Someone bumped a year old thread about Blizzard making a console version of Diablo 3 so that's DEFINITELY Wii U as it's a prefect fit.

I hope everything they think is coming there way that isn't all get announced on the same week as the X720/PS4 so the tsunami of tears can wash away their ilk.

[Don Flamenco]

it'll be like how anything that has to do with making lines or drawing was a perfect fit for the wii. 

Like that 2% of the time in Okami where you draw stuff, OMG IT HAS TO BE ON THE WII.  As if drawing things in Okami was ever a problem with analog sticks.  and it forgot about the other 98% where you're platforming and fighting, which suck like shit on the Wii remote.

[Steve Contra]

Then again Ninthings also think every gen 3rd parties will come back to the big N

didn't you hear? Someone bumped a year old thread about Blizzard making a console version of Diablo 3 so that's DEFINITELY Wii U as it's a prefect fit.

I hope everything they think is coming there way that isn't all get announced on the same week as the X720/PS4 so the tsunami of tears can wash away their ilk.

Holy fuck a tablet for inventory would be rad.  :O

This is really just more evidence that the last game I play in my life is Diablo 3.

[maxy]

EG

Mafia maker Daniel Vavra and his Warhorse Studios offered a juicy glimpse of that future in Prague recently, demonstrating in video the sort of things their unannounced 2014/15 medieval RPG can achieve.

Churned muddy tracks, aged wooden barns and farm buildings, murky but reflective water, leafy green trees; even this off-screen footage can at times look uncannily like the real thing.

The environments are built using a modified version of CryEngine 3, Eurogamer Czech reported - and the agricultural scenery is apparently just an example of what the tech can do.

Little else is known about the medieval RPG Warhorse Studios is working on, but Vavra's been studying medieval re-enactment festivals in the Czech Republic for the job.

[mjemirzian]

Will this be the gen we get some big AI/procedural generation/CPU intensive game improvements?

[maxy]

Will this be the gen we get some big AI/procedural generation/CPU intensive game improvements?

Procedural generation--very likely.

As for AI,people don't really want (smart)human like AI.Games have to be fun to play after all.Not to mention that that kind of AI would be extremely hard(impossible) to do.In combat situations humans are driven by survival instincts,not by some hard set of rules. 

Far Cry 3 has a pretty good AI.Exploitable,fun to play with but deadly if you don't pay attention. 

[maxy]

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/crysis_3/news/rising_cost_of_memory_and_processors_will_impact_next-gen_specs_crytek.html

The high cost of memory and processors will make it "impossible" for next-gen consoles "to have the same kind of impact on the console business" as the previous generation, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli has told VideoGamer.com, before suggesting that next-generation horsepower won't be too dissimilar to the current capabilities of top-end PCs.

When asked what he would like Microsoft and Sony to factor into their next-generation consoles, Yerli stated that more memory would allow developers to do "so many more techniques and tricks".

"As a person who likes to drive technology-meets-game design as art, you can never have enough memory. Ever. Simple as that," Yerli told us. "Memory is the single most important thing that is always going to be underbalanced - I've never seen a console where the memory was the right balance.

"Xbox 360, underbalanced. PlayStation 3, underbalanced. Simply because memory is the most expensive part, hence I wish there would be cheaper ways of doing memory so that memory doesn't become an issue anymore.

"If they find ways to cheapen the cost to a degree they could triple or quadruple their memory. Just say, 'Hey we're going to have 32 gigs of memory'. That would be quite amazing because memory can do so many more techniques and tricks."

A x 4=32

A=?

[maxy]

http://kotaku.com/5968211/reality-check-theres-a-strong-chance-well-have-a-ps4-and-xbox-720-a-year-from-now

We talk to people. It's part of our job. And lately we're not hearing any big bombshells about the next generation of game consoles, but we're hearing the same buzz we've been hearing all year: the next generation of Xbox and PlayStation are right around the corner.


If you talk to people about the next-gen games at, oh, I don't know, a major gaming trade show or a major gaming awards show, the persistent impression given is that these new systems will be powerful. The old comparison I heard—and saw backed up by a solid report on IGN—was that the new Xbox would be eight times more powerful than the 360. That's old reporting, from earlier in the year. We've also heard that Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today, which, yes, is quite the indirect statement. The chatter we hear is that Durango and Orbis are close in power to each other or at least both in the same league past the current gen. Much may have changed since then and, as any Wii U owner can tell you, it's damn hard to assess how powerful a system is even when playing the first batch of games a developer made for it. (Or don't ask a Wii U user... ask an Xbox 360 user to compare 2005 360 launch games Kameo: Elements of Power or Perfect Dark Zero to 2012's Halo 4).

The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to.

Needless to say,gaf has activated worried about Sony mode.

[headwalk]

oh, how i want to comment here

hey van, i want to build a pc and while my chinese kitten marrow business is going swell, i'm not completely drowning in opulence. so rather than get the absolute best pc i can, i figure i'll be conservative and get, iunno, the second best?

what parts would you recommend?

(note: i am also a hobbyist engineer with my own microchip lab and can jerryrig my own custom APUs if that's what's really gonna get farmville cooking)

[Sho Nuff]

I am getting ready to say fuck next gen and just throw some new shit in my existing PC.

I've got an 8-core @ 2.35GhZ from about 3 years ago, 6GB of RAM and a GTX 250, which runs most 360 ports swimmingly. Things get a little chuggy when I run higher-end stuff at 1080p though. I'm wondering what my bottleneck is and what I should replace.

[Sho Nuff]

Right now I've got double 250s because I run 4 screens (3 monitors + mirroring one port to my HDTV in the living room for Big Picture). Can I replace -one- of the 250s? Does having two different GPUs fuck with shit?

Also, what GPU should I buy...I'm on Indie Dev budget right now so I'd be shooting for sub-$300.

[fistfulofmetal]

Can I replace -one- of the 250s? Does having two different GPUs fuck with shit?

No. I have a GTX 680 and a GTX 640. The NVIDIA drivers automatically assign PHYSX stuff to the 640.

[Van Cruncheon]

get a 660GTX.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://kotaku.com/5968211/reality-check-theres-a-strong-chance-well-have-a-ps4-and-xbox-720-a-year-from-now

We talk to people. It's part of our job. And lately we're not hearing any big bombshells about the next generation of game consoles, but we're hearing the same buzz we've been hearing all year: the next generation of Xbox and PlayStation are right around the corner.


If you talk to people about the next-gen games at, oh, I don't know, a major gaming trade show or a major gaming awards show, the persistent impression given is that these new systems will be powerful. The old comparison I heard—and saw backed up by a solid report on IGN—was that the new Xbox would be eight times more powerful than the 360. That's old reporting, from earlier in the year. We've also heard that Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today, which, yes, is quite the indirect statement. The chatter we hear is that Durango and Orbis are close in power to each other or at least both in the same league past the current gen. Much may have changed since then and, as any Wii U owner can tell you, it's damn hard to assess how powerful a system is even when playing the first batch of games a developer made for it. (Or don't ask a Wii U user... ask an Xbox 360 user to compare 2005 360 launch games Kameo: Elements of Power or Perfect Dark Zero to 2012's Halo 4).

The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to.

Needless to say,gaf has activated worried about Sony mode.

No shit?  Sony has been fucking things up on a constant and consistent basis since "$599".  That is almost seven years of fucking up.  It was dumb to expect them to suddenly snap into competency with the PS4.

[headwalk]

get a 660GTX.

hah, i got you! wait till brian crecente gets a load of this scoop, durango rumours pay out big time.

[Oblivion]

Honestly, after seeing how both the PS3 and Vita were massive money sinks, I'd be surprised if even Sony's gonna pull another Sony with the PS4.

[MCD]

http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/

You guys ready?

[Great Rumbler]

http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/

You guys ready?

Been ready for about three years now.

[Sho Nuff]

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wholl get my money ms or sony oooooh stay tuned