Author Topic: Official Consoles Are For Losers thread (Read 431408 times)

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1020 on:** January 21, 2013, 12:18:20 PM »

People like that should be banned irl

MCD · « **Reply #1021 on:** January 21, 2013, 12:23:03 PM »

Both are about the same just with RAM capacity vs speed

7 more years of boring gen part 2 people!

maxy · « **Reply #1022 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:05:15 PM »

Saw some sthing talking,"lol no 128GB blu-ray,M$ is fucked"

MCD · « **Reply #1023 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:06:38 PM »

Gonna need all the space for the next Square Enix vaporware!

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #1024 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:55:46 PM »

Nothing screams "budget system" louder than AMD CPU

Intel has been destroying them for 5 years and counting

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #1025 on:** January 21, 2013, 01:59:03 PM »

Ya but don't they have to get into bed with a supplier like 5 years before they launch?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #1026 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:05:48 PM »

just making an observation that fanboys are arguing over which system is less of a POS

my new pc is more powerful than both of them duct taped together

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1027 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:07:04 PM »

Enjoy late unoptimized ports first two years.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #1028 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:09:04 PM »

Call of Duty, Oblivion, Bioshock, etc. all ran better on PC during launch

Fifstar · « **Reply #1029 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:11:13 PM »

Is it true that the specs for the graphics card would put it near a 7770 radeon even considering some special sauce?

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1030 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:13:05 PM »

I was playing wow so I dont care.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 21, 2013, 02:09:04 PM

Call of Duty, Oblivion, Bioshock, etc. all ran better on PC during launch

All of them were also boring so dunno. Bioshock wasnt even a launch game.

Next gen is all about them exlcusives in the beginning.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #1031 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:15:44 PM »

yeah, Perfect Dark and Resistance really started next-gen with a bang

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1032 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:17:20 PM »

Resitance is better then CoD2 and bioshock.

maxy · « **Reply #1033 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:19:37 PM »

Gaf "insider" claims that there are 4 blocks of Data Move Engines.Each one doing specific things to reduce CPU,GPU load.

hmm

mjemirzian · « **Reply #1034 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:30:35 PM »

Disappointing if true. I was hoping at least 660Ti level. I guess you can't expect much from a $300 console.

Consoles really have 2x the performance of a PC with similar specs?

Fifstar · « **Reply #1035 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:50:40 PM »

So, what would be the equivalent pc accounting for the additional overhead on a windows systems? Is it possible to compare a pc and durango with this leaked specs (if they're true after all)?

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #1036 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:13:44 PM »

Quote from: Borys on January 21, 2013, 03:01:58 PM

IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.

GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.

Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.

Seems like it'll be cheaper to just buy a GTX 680 than to invest in a next gen console + games + accessories.

and you get more tflops

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #1037 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Don Flamenco on January 21, 2013, 03:13:44 PM

Quote from: Borys on January 21, 2013, 03:01:58 PM
IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.

GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.

Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.

Seems like it'll be cheaper to just buy a GTX 680 than to invest in a next gen console + games + accessories.

and you get more tflops

DAT KEPLER

Fifstar · « **Reply #1038 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:47:39 PM »

Quote from: Borys on January 21, 2013, 03:01:58 PM

IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.

GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.

Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.

I'm getting confused by all the tflops talk. Seems like some older cards like a 5870 already had tflops of around 2.7 tflops. Are those flops numbers only comparable if the featuresets of the cards are similar?

Fifstar · « **Reply #1039 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:55:31 PM »

Cruncheon recently recommend a 660 ti on here to somebody, which coincidentally has double the tflops of the leaked durango specs, hmm...

maxy · « **Reply #1040 on:** January 21, 2013, 04:05:11 PM »

aegies aparantly has some Durango tech docs,he is spouting some highly technical details/doesn't understand shit

NDA

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #1041 on:** January 21, 2013, 04:23:02 PM »

Who's Aegies?

maxy · « **Reply #1042 on:** January 21, 2013, 04:30:37 PM »

Works for polygon.

This is interesting if true(chip related).

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The Directx Team drove everything.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #1043 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:02:54 PM »

Quote from: Borys on January 21, 2013, 02:17:32 PM

Orbis
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Durango
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WiiU
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i liked the Breaking Bad one as well

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1044 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:27:34 PM »

Quote from: maxy on January 21, 2013, 04:30:37 PM

Works for polygon.

This is interesting if true(chip related).
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The Directx Team drove everything.

Makes sense.

Dirext x 12 13 and 14

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1045 on:** January 21, 2013, 06:19:55 PM »

that's why it was called the Xbox originally, right? the DirectXbox

pretty sad specs, was hoping for gtx680-type GPU performance at least

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1046 on:** January 21, 2013, 06:23:25 PM »

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #1047 on:** January 21, 2013, 06:28:09 PM »

he is so far under NDA he can't even articulate his befuddlement people

maxy · « **Reply #1048 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:45:42 AM »

This brings back memories

Cell = 230 GFlops
RSX = 400 GFlops(around 360GFlops if clock is 500)
Sony PR PS3 number = 2 TFlops

Xenos = 240 GFlops
Xenon = around 100 GFlops
MS PR 360 number = 1 TFlop

What is better?

MCD · « **Reply #1049 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:49:11 AM »

I'm just sad that both are internally about the same. Where is my custom chips and shit man.

maxy · « **Reply #1050 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:54:59 AM »

Durango chip has a lot of custom stuff inside.I hope MS has some juicy name for them so we can annoy sfags,

Wait until flux capacitor turns on,just wait

MCD · « **Reply #1051 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:58:12 AM »

I am only interested if MS starts moneyhatting every fucking dev out there like they did when 360 launched. Otherwise we will be stuck with shootan and Kinect part 2.

hampster · « **Reply #1052 on:** January 22, 2013, 08:33:52 AM »

I was on the PSN store this weekend (post update, if it's faster I didn't notice

) and it dawned on me - the PS4 interface is going to be some bastard child between the new store and the Vita isn't it?

Poor XMB. You had some problems but you will be missed

Purple Filth · « **Reply #1053 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:09:10 AM »

Quote from: hampster on January 22, 2013, 08:33:52 AM

I was on the PSN store this weekend (post update, if it's faster I didn't notice ) and it dawned on me - the PS4 interface is going to be some bastard child between the new store and the Vita isn't it?

Poor XMB. You had some problems but you will be missed

i think that dude was trolling or got hit by a massive placebo

Huff · « **Reply #1054 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM »

PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

Vertigo · « **Reply #1055 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:12:28 AM »

A lot of the 'insiders' in the next gen threads are starting to trip over each other with differing info from their 'sources' and then are having to correct themselves when another 'insider' challenges them on their posts.

Vertigo · « **Reply #1056 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Huff on January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM

PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable

I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.

maxy · « **Reply #1057 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:24:51 AM »

Quote from: Vertigo on January 22, 2013, 10:12:28 AM

A lot of the 'insiders' in the next gen threads are starting to trip over each other with differing info from their 'sources' and then are having to correct themselves when another 'insider' challenges them on their posts.

I wonder if someone is deliberately toying with them,giving them false info.

Himu · « **Reply #1058 on:** January 22, 2013, 10:32:21 AM »

So on my PC im Working on I should get a gtx 680?

What about the CPU? If 720 has 8 cores where the fuck do I match or go better than that

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #1059 on:** January 22, 2013, 11:12:34 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on January 22, 2013, 10:32:21 AM

So on my PC im Working on I should get a gtx 680?

What about the CPU? If 720 has 8 cores where the fuck do I match or go better than that

Well, the cell processor also has 8 cores, but I'll be running DmC at twice the framerate with perfect image quality on a i5-2500k (quad) vs. the PS3 version. The GPU and RAM in a home built PC are not just better, but they are also 7 years newer at this point, which is a huge advantage. This outweighs the need for anything crazy like a 8 core processor-- there aren't many of them out and it's just an unnecessary amount of power for gaming (unless you're running a game on a PS3 and need to use all that cell power to avoid overloading the crappy little GPU it has.)

680s are obviously great cards and would scale up for longer than most other cards.

Your processor and GPU choice can't really be sized up yet, but hardware has outpaced the graphical and processing needs of most games. There's no way to predict what the 720/PS4 will do from day 1, but I can't imagine it'll be a night and day difference between them and a good $1000 rig (for the ram, GPU, CPU, and mobo) you can currently buy. The rig might even win. Basically, the more expensive and stronger GPU + CPU you get, the longer your PC will scale up, but there's no way to say for how long exactly...probably a long time, as long as you don't cheap out.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #1060 on:** January 22, 2013, 11:25:49 AM »

Only smart thing to do is to wait for Durango to launch and THEN build the rig.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #1061 on:** January 22, 2013, 11:28:37 AM »

hardware wise, you could definitely build something that'll outpace Durango for a long time.

but console feature wise and game wise, it'd be smart to wait a few months to see what MS has to offer.

headwalk · « **Reply #1062 on:** January 22, 2013, 11:29:06 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on January 22, 2013, 10:32:21 AM

So on my PC im Working on I should get a gtx 680?

What about the CPU? If 720 has 8 cores where the fuck do I match or go better than that

it's four netbook CPUs. in performance terms, any mid range i5 will fuck its mother as it watches and make it paint the fence to say thank you.

i'll echo the "never go cheap on a PC" sentiment. i know certain quarters are all about econo builds, but have a little self respect. a few extra bones spread around getting higher quality parts of similar performance (a case not made of cardboard and a GPU which doesn't give you tinnitus) can dramatically improve your sex life.

if we're lucky cruncheon will take some julian assange turn and circulate a "build this if you don't want to get fucked by next gen" pastebin between dipping it dry in sorta willing swedish politics students.

hampster · « **Reply #1063 on:** January 22, 2013, 12:14:45 PM »

Quote from: Vertigo on January 22, 2013, 10:15:29 AM

Quote from: Huff on January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable

I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.

I've missed a couple PS+ items since the new store launched because I avoid using it and forget to log on before stuff expires :'( (speaking of that I hope nothing good is expiring today)

The old store wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed jumping on a few times a week and just go browsing around

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #1064 on:** January 22, 2013, 01:23:33 PM »

Quote from: hampster on January 22, 2013, 12:14:45 PM

Quote from: Vertigo on January 22, 2013, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: Huff on January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable

I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.

I've missed a couple PS+ items since the new store launched because I avoid using it and forget to log on before stuff expires :'( (speaking of that I hope nothing good is expiring today)

The old store wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed jumping on a few times a week and just go browsing around

I think FF Tactics PSP is expiring today

Purple Filth · « **Reply #1065 on:** January 22, 2013, 02:28:00 PM »

Quote from: Huff on January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM

PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

its worse when you can't even find content since its supposedly not indexed as yet

Quote from: hampster on January 22, 2013, 12:14:45 PM

Quote from: Vertigo on January 22, 2013, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: Huff on January 22, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen

It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable

I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.

I've missed a couple PS+ items since the new store launched because I avoid using it and forget to log on before stuff expires :'( (speaking of that I hope nothing good is expiring today)

The old store wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed jumping on a few times a week and just go browsing around

tbh the PS+ stuff is not hard to find on the new store, but you have to be somewhat patient due to the shit loading.

maxy · « **Reply #1066 on:** January 23, 2013, 05:35:50 AM »

Another rumor

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/49454/xbox-720-called-xbox-x-surface

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The Xbox 720 will not be called that when it is finally announced. Instead, Microsoft will be reverting to the name of its first games console released 11 years ago, Xbox.

In addition, it will be seen as a hub to a number of devices to carry an "X" branding, one of which will be the much-rumoured 7-inch gaming tablet, which Pocket-lint has learnt will be called X-Surface, not Xbox Surface as previously thought.

The X-Surface will not be a Windows 8 or Windows RT device, we have been told by a tipster very close to the project who, naturally, wishes to remain anonymous. Instead, it will be a standalone portable gaming system. On launch, we are informed, it will be able to access the games, music and video hubs of the new Xbox, but will not have any apps of its own. It will not have a desktop as part of its operating system, rather be entirely focused on playing full console-quality games.

Although there are no technical specifications touted, we have also been told that the X-Surface tablet has much improved hardware over a Surface RT. With the source claiming that he/she "witnessed Unreal Engine 3 demos running at a solid 60fps".

There are also unconfirmed rumours that the X-Surface will have a proprietary 2.4GHz wireless protocol for compatibility with Xbox 360 controllers and, it is said, future control devices.

As for the "Xbox" itself, the tipster has confirmed some of the specifications previously leaked. "The majority of information leaked recently by many sources is true," Pocket-lint was told.

Microsoft is working with AMD on the central and graphics processors. The CPU will be 8-core, as previously rumoured, although each core will be running at 1.9GHz instead of the 1.6GHz reported. The rumours on the graphics trip were true, being an 800MHz GPU. "One benchmark used internally has been a custom build Watch Dogs E3 demo which runs at 55-60fps with only five cores at 100 per cent," we were told.

We've seen Ubisoft's Watch Dogs demo running on a super powered PC at E3 2012, so if this is true, the Xbox's graphical prowess will be most impressive.

One incorrect former rumour about the new Xbox that has been quashed by the tipster is that one of the cores will be dedicated to running the operating system. The OS will have a similar look to Windows 8, with moveable tiles, but won't be literally using that software. It will also require two-cores to run, as it will remain active in the background in order to provide full multitasking functionality. "Very much akin to Nintendo's offerings on 3DS and Wii U - but on a far larger scale," explained the source.

A couple of the features of multitasking explained to us include video calling in games (with users able to determine which corner of the screen to place the feed), and the ability to take screengrabs to save to hard drive or SkyDrive.

The source hasn't had access to the new Xbox controller, but says that button placement must be the same considering a normal Xbox 360 controller has been used in development. It will look different however, we have been told, as two design teams have been working on the controller alone.

Xbox

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #1067 on:** January 23, 2013, 05:39:13 AM »

Xbox (2013) ?

Himu · « **Reply #1068 on:** January 23, 2013, 05:40:53 AM »

maxy · « **Reply #1069 on:** January 23, 2013, 06:20:36 AM »

hmm,didn't you at one point say something about tablets circulating around xbawks?

or that was smartass related...

maxy · « **Reply #1070 on:** January 23, 2013, 06:26:36 AM »

I see,interesting...

Huff · « **Reply #1071 on:** January 23, 2013, 06:40:40 AM »

I dunno maybe DC was right. MS grabbing up MH exclusive for their new portable for 2014 onward. He's breaking NDAs like a mofo

MCD · « **Reply #1072 on:** January 23, 2013, 06:55:02 AM »

THE SURFACE FAMILY KEEPS ON GROWING

hampster · « **Reply #1073 on:** January 23, 2013, 09:04:44 AM »

After watching some of the Razer Edge videos out of CES I'm down for a gaming tablet that plugs into a dock with controls

I'd buy an Edge if it wasn't stupid expensive $:-\$