Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[MCD]

I bet ya that every developer out there wanted something like this for the longest time.

[maxy]

I bet ya that every developer out there wanted something like this for the longest time.

No shit,it's no secret that developers hate used games much more than piracy.

[Don Flamenco]

maybe I'm crazy but I think the console with the no used game thing will get better support from third parties.  after all, it's the EAs out there who want it most.

I don't think it'll be that simple, as the info on how used games affect the market is all theory and deduction (until we have an observable market like that.)   If MS has success with it, they'll cite that cutting out used games is what saved them a bunch of money, but what they will really mean is that they're happy they found a good excuse to cut out all the middlemen.  And what if EA and a couple major pubs are the only ones who are really on board?   Maybe smaller devs want to sell used copies of their games for word of mouth...financially, maybe they hate that they miss out on a sale, but the further the copies of your games travel, the more publicity you get, right? 

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing turned out to be BS.

[mjemirzian]

I'm wondering how extensive the 'always online' is going to be. Do you just need to be online when you launch a game so the server can check it? Or is it like Diablo 3 where any connection loss interrupts your game even in single player mode? It's very anti-consumer to prevent someone from playing their games if their internet is down.

I hope the PS4 isn't like this.

[Brehvolution]

Summarized Durango info from an insider:

I'm going to summarize what I know with regards to Xbox 3.

VGLeaks info has been accurate due to what the info is coming from.

- Always online/internet connection required Dumb but not intollerable
- No used games
- No BC Don't care
- CPU has increased performance over normal Jaguar cores. Ya!?
- ~3GB and 2 CPU cores are reserved for the OS, apps, Kinect, etc. Sounds excessive
- Xbox has a crazy (IMO) amount of hardware dedicated to audio tasks (e.g. gaming and Siri capabilities) my 10 watt big screen speakers don't care
- Kinect is a pack in Ya!?
- Same day digital releases for all games You mean NEXT day since it will take forever to download 30gb+ at the same time as 500,000 other people who also are trying to do this.

.

[maxy]

http://www.polygon.com/2013/2/19/4001836/ubisoft-uplay-shop-third-party-games-ea-origin-chris-early-interview

Ubisoft now selling third-party games on Uplay Shop and its own games on EA's Origin
By Samit Sarkar on Feb 19, 2013 at 12:00p @SamitSarkar

Ubisoft is beginning a major expansion of its digital distribution presence today: The company is now selling games from other studios and publishers through the Uplay Shop, its online store, and has also begun selling its own games through Electronic Arts' competing service, Origin.

Chris Early, Ubisoft's vice president of digital publishing, told Polygon in a recent phone interview that the simultaneous moves are being made with one principal goal: to give Uplay's 50 million users more options for buying and playing Ubisoft games.

Ubisoft launched Uplay in late 2009 alongside Assassin's Creed 2. The main part of the service, Uplay Win, gives players reward points called Uplay Units for completing in-game actions; those points are then used to purchase digital bonus content such as extra missions and weapons. Uplay also consists of Uplay Share, which lets players share user-generated content with others from within games, and Uplay Help, which offers game guides and tips. Ubisoft later added a Steam-like Uplay client for Windows PC.

The service's online storefront, the Uplay Shop, has only sold Ubisoft-published games to this point. According to Early, the Shop's opening slate of third-party titles consists of 25 games from "maybe a dozen or so [publishers]" such as Electronic Arts (Dead Space 3), Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment (the Game of the Year Edition of Batman: Arkham City) and Telltale Games (The Walking Dead)..

...

Uplay customers can pre-order third-party games through the Shop, too, such as the Limited Edition of EA's upcoming SimCity. Going forward, said Early, third-party titles "will be releasing at the same time, day and date, as all the other digital channels." And from today through March 4, anybody who buys a digital PC game that's at least $19.90 will receive a free downloadable copy of Driver: San Francisco Deluxe Edition, From Dust, Might & Magic Heroes 6 Deluxe Edition, Rayman Origins, The Settlers 7 Gold Edition or World in Conflict: Complete Edition

[Don Flamenco]

uplay has 50 million users 

[Joe Molotov]

Yah, if you've bought a Ubisoft game since 2009, you're a uPlay user whether you like it or not. Still, I don't see how they're getting 50 million out of that. You got AssCrud II/Bro/Rev/III, Anno 2070, Driver San Fransisco, Far Cry 3, HOMM VI, a couple of XBLA/PSN games, and somehow that gets you to 50 Million users? I call BS.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I tried to play from dust on pc and i had to sign up to uplay so i didnt play it.

[ToxicAdam]

Uplay had a sale last year before Black Friday where they sold 4 different games for a buck. I bet they got a lot of their users from that event.


http://cdn2.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4900311/untitled.0_cinema_960.0.jpg

[Eel O'Brian]

yeah, i bought from dust during that

[Don Flamenco]

I've put off ever buying one of their PC games and probably will until Watch Dogs. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

I feel exactly the same Don, if I buy that on PC I might play From Dust too or something else, otherwise I just wont buy anything from them.

Im already not buying EA shit cause its on Origin, and I haven't bought anything THQ cause COH didn't work right away on STEAM.

[Don Flamenco]

I'm glad I'm just not interested in anything either of those companies put out!   and surprised Activision hasn't done the same thing with CoD. 

[Great Rumbler]

Yah, if you've bought a Ubisoft game since 2009, you're a uPlay user whether you like it or not.

Yep, even if you bought the game on Steam.

[naff]

Summarized Durango info from an insider:

I'm going to summarize what I know with regards to Xbox 3.

VGLeaks info has been accurate due to what the info is coming from.

- Always online/internet connection required Dumb but not intollerable
- No used games
- No BC Don't care
- CPU has increased performance over normal Jaguar cores. Ya!?
- ~3GB and 2 CPU cores are reserved for the OS, apps, Kinect, etc. Sounds excessive
- Xbox has a crazy (IMO) amount of hardware dedicated to audio tasks (e.g. gaming and Siri capabilities) my 10 watt big screen speakers don't care
- Kinect is a pack in Ya!?
- Same day digital releases for all games You mean NEXT day since it will take forever to download 30gb+ at the same time as 500,000 other people who also are trying to do this.

.

It's cool they're putting emphasis on Audio processing. If it wants to be a quality media center it needs to be a quality source. Both PS4 and Xbox sounding hot, though so much info seems dodgy as fuck in regards to persistent online and other counter intuitive ideas that are supposedly implemented next gen. SURELY Xbox would have XBLA title BC, would be insane if it didn't..... so I'm take everything with a grain of salt til we get official news

[Powerslave]

I absolutely love that prototype PS4 controller. I'm glad it's not the old DS anymore. I very much like the fat bulky handles.

[hampster]

Square Enix is working on a browser based Kingdom Hearts game...

:'( :'( :'( :'(

[maxy]

gaf is now like borys chat

[Sho Nuff]

[Great Rumbler]

That picture is going to get a lot of play over the next few weeks.

[Purple Filth]

That picture is going to get a lot of play over the next few weeks.

Indeed.

[Phoenix Dark]

MS fucks up with Windows 8 and Xbox 3.

Apple and Sony inherit the world.

seems so. I can't believe they'll fuck up that big. No off line play wtf

[bud]

borys hold me

[Purple Filth]

the GiantBomb guys comments makes this so better 

[Madrun Badrun]

We made so little money with the ps3 and psp that we couldn't afford a new commercial.  Seriously a clipshow of commercials. 

[cool breeze]

whoops wrong thread

[Groogrux]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

[Cormacaroni]

oh no what will we do for drama now

[naff]

NO BC & #*WTFRRRAWWWW is what we'll hear a lot I guess.... Seems silly tho since I didn't really care with ps3 and ps2 had a way better library

[mjemirzian]

That's good news for the PS4. If Japan abandons exclusives for the next Xbox I'll have almost no reason to buy one.

[MCD]

8 gigs of GDDR5 ram

Drinky

You lied big time

poor Durango lol

[maxy]

nvm
wrong thread

[brawndolicious]

How much does 8 GB GDDR5 or 16 GB GDDR3 cost?

[archnemesis]

8 GB GDDR5 is ~$120.
16 GB DDR3 is <$80.

They're not at all comparable though.

[Cerveza mas fina]

8gb ddr5 is a game changer.

Unless Durango GPU/CPU will shit all over PS4 then PS4 will have the better running games it seems.

[mjemirzian]

They'll probably look very similar when all is said and done. I wouldn't put much stock in the PS4 being significantly better looking. I don't think MS will let its console fall that far behind, although they are probably constrained by the cost of the bundled kinect.

[Stoney Mason]

Finally got around to watching the ps 4 unveil last night. It was okay. Nothing really mindblowing shown but I assume they are saving some of their big guns for E3. I like the pause feature. The streaming and share stuff I don't care about. And the Gaiki bc stuff seems kinda like a mess regarding bc. Waiting to see price.

[Don Flamenco]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514823


Sony's devs have been living and breathing Cell for so long, they've forgotten what X86 is. 

"X86?  That's not gonna power the toaster of the future."  - Sony dev in 2006.


because that's how it works-- the people of neogaf are prescient and hyper-intelligent, but the people running game companies are idiots who don't take anything into account, ever.

[Powerslave]

Overall it's really doing me good to read about all the genuinely positive reactions from people. Especially regarding the controller and the overall confidence that people got from the whole ordeal. Now please don't backtrack Sony.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I think the bad stuff is still to be announced Powerslave.

[Powerslave]

lol

I'm imagining a meeting from Sony awarely focused on the bad stuff deliberately

[brawndolicious]

8 GB GDDR5 is ~$120.
16 GB DDR3 is <$80.

They're not at all comparable though.

So the latter is worse?

[archnemesis]

It depends what you want to do with it. For a home console the latter is worse.

[Mupepe]

lol

I'm imagining a meeting from Sony awarely focused on the bad stuff deliberately

just watch sonys e3 2006 conference

[brawndolicious]

It depends what you want to do with it. For a home console the latter is worse.

But a whole lot worse? As long as it is competitive, I think MS would want to pack in 16 GB. Also, they were supposedly going to reserve a few gigs for the OS.

[Smooth Groove]

The speed difference only matters if it's a unified memory system

Otherwise, a faster GPU with DDR5 + regular DDR3 system memory would blow away slower gpu with ddr5 unified memory

[MCD]

Borys

PS4 can't play CDs

What are you going to do?

[Cerveza mas fina]

(Image removed from quote.)

[MCD]

This is what happens when you sign with AMD.

[Diunx]

What a shock.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Its just lack of depth of field and shaders.

Thats why on the PC you can't make out how sharp textures are.

This is just an option to toggle.

[Cerveza mas fina]

soybeans all over my face

[Fifstar]

Second pic is a bullshot anyway?

[The Sceneman]

Play Blu-Rays instead

All my Pet Shop Boys albums are on CD. Fuck Sony if they want to deprive me of my entertainment

[archnemesis]

I'm sure they're willing to sell you a subscription to Sony Music Unlimited.

[Smooth Groove]

PS4 GPU isn't as even as fast as one 680 GTX

even with OS overhead eliminated, it's impossible to make up that big of a performance difference

running the best looking games today at 1080p/60fps maxed out or near max is no joke even on the fastest single GPU on the market

so basically, throw out 1080p and 60fps out the window

lots of shit would be running at sub 1080p or sub 60fps just like last-gen

[maxy]

Looks like done deal.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/22/microsoft-likely-to-showcase-xbox-720-in-april-reveal/



 



 

"My name is Michael Denny and I'm proud to announce that my face is entirely rendered using Unreal Engine 3"
 

[Cerveza mas fina]

PS4 GPU isn't as even as fast as one 680 GTX

even with OS overhead eliminated, it's impossible to make up that big of a performance difference

running the best looking games today at 1080p/60fps maxed out or near max is no joke even on the fastest single GPU on the market

so basically, throw out 1080p and 60fps out the window

lots of shit would be running at sub 1080p or sub 60fps just like last-gen

Youre such a graphics courtesan

[Himu]

Looks like done deal.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/22/microsoft-likely-to-showcase-xbox-720-in-april-reveal/



 



 

"My name is Michael Denny and I'm proud to announce that my face is entirely rendered using Unreal Engine 3"
 

NMA