Author Topic: Official Consoles Are For Losers thread (Read 430470 times)

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2160 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:15:48 PM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on February 22, 2013, 12:11:10 PM

Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2013, 11:28:34 AM
PS4 GPU isn't as even as fast as one 680 GTX

even with OS overhead eliminated, it's impossible to make up that big of a performance difference

running the best looking games today at 1080p/60fps maxed out or near max is no joke even on the fastest single GPU on the market

so basically, throw out 1080p and 60fps out the window

lots of shit would be running at sub 1080p or sub 60fps just like last-gen

Youre such a graphics courtesan

Did I make this: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39658.0

Himu · « **Reply #2161 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:16:09 PM »

Because Maxy didn't post the world edition

maxy · « **Reply #2162 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:20:05 PM »

sorry

Himu · « **Reply #2163 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:21:19 PM »

it's okay boo

maxy · « **Reply #2164 on:** February 22, 2013, 01:21:58 PM »

wut?
http://www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/62091_414870745273262_962197012_n.png

False alarm,fake

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2165 on:** February 22, 2013, 01:37:57 PM »

Quote from: Shark Johnson on February 22, 2013, 01:36:10 PM

Hahahaha, are they really letting NEVERSOFT develop Modern Warfare 4?

It's fake. And last I heard the next cod was being done by sledgehammer/infinity.

It will be the first cod I skip since World at War.

maxy · « **Reply #2166 on:** February 22, 2013, 01:39:51 PM »

hehe

There are some old rumors about Neversoft doing COD something(helping?) though.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2167 on:** February 22, 2013, 01:42:32 PM »

Quote from: maxy on February 22, 2013, 01:39:51 PM

hehe

There are some old rumors about Neversoft doing COD something(helping?) though.

At this point it pretty much feels like all the Activision devs they have left basically are support devs for COD except high moon and the ones who work on skylanders stuff.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #2168 on:** February 22, 2013, 02:36:55 PM »

April is kinda long imo but lets see what MS offers to bring to the table

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2169 on:** February 22, 2013, 03:06:39 PM »

I'm curious if it's possible to build a PC at the same price as a PS4 or Xbox 3 at launch with similar performance. We don't know the prices yet but I'm thinking $500 would be a good estimate to shoot for. Anyone have any suggestions?

I'm thinking the Gigabyte 660 Ti OC would be a decent bet for a GPU, although if the budget is $500 I'd probably have to drop down to a plain GTX 660. I'm not sure on AMD cards but they might be a better bet in terms of price/performance, OCing, and similarity to the PS4/Xbox 3 GPUs.

MCD · « **Reply #2170 on:** February 22, 2013, 03:14:07 PM »

GAF thread will get you covered. I made mine about a year ago using the tables they had but I went with AMD.

Bad decision compared to Intel's offerings but I wanted to try AMD at least once in my lifetime and I don't regret it honestly, pretty good rig.

archnemesis · « **Reply #2171 on:** February 22, 2013, 03:47:24 PM »

I think you will need to spend about 50% more for the same components and 100% more for the same performance. The PCGamer comparison that was posted on GAF was beyond ridiculous.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2172 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:06:34 PM »

You don't think the GTX 660 they suggested would be good enough? Take a look at the ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU, which is $199.99 after rebate. Look at the OC benchmarks in this review. They OCed it and got 1080p 60+ fps on Battlefield 3 at ultra settings and 4x AA. Is that not good enough?

archnemesis · « **Reply #2173 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:11:30 PM »

The GPU is good enough, but if you add in the other components and don't exclude the case, PSU, blu-ray drive, OS, controller, and the cameras you'll quickly end up above $500.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2174 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:16:23 PM »

http://kotaku.com/5986239/the-rise-and-fall-of-superdae-a-most-unusual-video-game-hacker

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2175 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:37:27 PM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on February 22, 2013, 03:06:39 PM

I'm curious if it's possible to build a PC at the same price as a PS4 or Xbox 3 at launch with similar performance. We don't know the prices yet but I'm thinking $500 would be a good estimate to shoot for. Anyone have any suggestions?

I'm thinking the Gigabyte 660 Ti OC would be a decent bet for a GPU, although if the budget is $500 I'd probably have to drop down to a plain GTX 660. I'm not sure on AMD cards but they might be a better bet in terms of price/performance, OCing, and similarity to the PS4/Xbox 3 GPUs.

AMD GPU is a better bargain than Nvidia although I haven't bought AMD since the 5870

Nvidia just has better support and more consistent performance. It's not a huge difference but it's nice having the extra bells and whistles like Physx or higher quality AA.

For CPU, Intel is the clear choice. The little money you'd save on AMD is not worth the dip in performance. Intel kicks AMD's butt across all price points.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #2176 on:** February 22, 2013, 04:53:43 PM »

nah, you're not gonna be able to build a rig on par with either of the consoles if they clock in at $400

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2177 on:** February 22, 2013, 05:00:24 PM »

Isn't it fairer though if we include the potential subscriber fees which supposedly are going to be essential? That's gonna be $200 even if you only own the console for about 3 years.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #2178 on:** February 22, 2013, 05:18:37 PM »

true, for $600 you might be able to pull it off, but you'd need to go off-brand cheap on some stuff

pilonv1 · « **Reply #2179 on:** February 22, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »

At $700 you'd get something that will be better, if only because you'll get 60fps almost standard. If you can get to a 7850 you're set.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2180 on:** February 22, 2013, 06:02:30 PM »

Here's what I put together after a bit of messing around:

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 $199.99 after rebate
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 $76.98
Mobo: ASUS M5A78L-M LX Plus mATX AM3+ DDR3 AMD 760G $54.99
RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B Vengeance Blue 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 $49.99
PSU: Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply $39.99 after rebate
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache $67.99
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black, several case fans included $34.99 after rebate
Mouse/Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Desktop Keyboard and Mouse Combo USB $14.99
Blu-Ray Drive: LITE-ON Black 4X BD-ROM 8X DVD-ROM 32X CD-ROM SATA Internal 4X Blu-ray Reader $25.99
Webcam: HP HD-3110 Autofocus 720p 30FPS Widescreen Webcam $11.99
OS: Linux trololol (psst.. you can still run Windows like everyone else does, I won't tell anyone) $0.00

Total: $577.89

This is over the budget of $500, but it's a good system for the price. The CPU and GPU are very overclock friendly, and the PSU can handle it.

Downgrading to 4GB DDR3 RAM and a 500GB HD is about $45 cheaper, and getting rid of the blu-ray drive and webcam is $38 cheaper. The "cheaper" total is $494.91, under $500 for the same gaming performance provided the 4GB DDR3 doesn't come back to haunt you.

For an AMD GPU I'd look at trying to get a 7870 on sale for around $210-230.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #2181 on:** February 23, 2013, 04:08:59 PM »

I literally don't even get why these gifs are funny or why they keep getting made/posted.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #2182 on:** February 23, 2013, 04:09:52 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2013, 04:08:59 PM

I literally don't even get why these gifs are funny or why they keep getting made/posted.

Because the internet.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #2183 on:** February 23, 2013, 04:32:45 PM »

No gifs involving corporate spokespeople have ever been funny.

treythemovie · « **Reply #2184 on:** February 23, 2013, 04:39:59 PM »

Quote from: maxy on February 22, 2013, 11:52:47 AM

"My name is Michael Denny and I'm proud to announce that my face is entirely rendered using Unreal Engine 3"

I've seen more non-videogame centric people post and talk about this video more so than I ever saw about the actual PS4 reveal. Which I find rather funny.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #2185 on:** February 23, 2013, 05:48:17 PM »

Quote from: Borys on February 23, 2013, 03:36:23 PM

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Oh shit this one is perfect

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2186 on:** February 23, 2013, 06:28:43 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2013, 04:08:59 PM

I literally don't even get why these gifs are funny or why they keep getting made/posted.

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Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #2187 on:** February 23, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »

You guys are just too cool.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2188 on:** February 23, 2013, 06:40:02 PM »

Quote from: Ben Kingsley on February 23, 2013, 04:45:03 PM

at "i'm johnathan blow and explosions are shit"

Johnathan Blow might have gotten the dumpster treatment in the latest Cruncheons.

re: gifs- The only that honestly made me laugh was the ds "it prints money" one, but in a sad way

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2189 on:** February 23, 2013, 09:45:26 PM »

I never realized RAM was the most important part of any system ever.

The gifs are far more amusing than "lengthy deluded console warrior rant #4356741".

Powerslave · « **Reply #2190 on:** February 24, 2013, 05:18:03 AM »

archnemesis · « **Reply #2191 on:** February 24, 2013, 05:44:39 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on February 23, 2013, 09:45:26 PM

I never realized RAM was the most important part of any system ever.

Memory has always been a bottle neck when it comes to gaming. It's certainly not the only important component, but for the PS3 it was the limiting factor in many cases and one of the reasons the system got inferior ports.

Quote from: Powerslave on February 24, 2013, 05:18:03 AM

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Using a Nintendo character to promote Sony fanboyism seems a bit counter-intuitive.

archnemesis · « **Reply #2192 on:** February 24, 2013, 05:57:13 AM »

Hopefully we'll see more stable framerates and less screen tearing next-gen, but most genres will still be 30 FPS on consoles.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2193 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:10:07 AM »

It's promising that Sony has been working closely with developers on the PS4, which is probably the main reason why they went with 8GB.

It's going to be either 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps for the majority of games. I'd love 60fps but I'm not optimistic given how many 360 and PS3 games run at 30.

archnemesis · « **Reply #2194 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:12:10 AM »

I'm pretty sure all games will be 1080p regardless of framerate. Moving games to the PS4 is fine with me if that means better image quality or more features. Why would wanting improved games make you a corporate shill? Isn't that something all gamers would like to have?

maxy · « **Reply #2195 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:17:40 AM »

PS4 devkits until recently had 1.5 GB GDDR5 usable for graphics.Somebody should tell sfags that.

Killzone 4 at 150fps

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2196 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:19:09 AM »

The irony of this RAM-mania is that even high end PC games running at 1080p only take up about 1.5gb of GDDR5 RAM. The only way you'll go over 2gb is if you run 1440p+ or run multiple monitors. Similarly, most PC games are still 32 bit and thus can't use much more than 1.3gb of DDR3 RAM, yet they still manage to run just fine. Only a handful of PC games like Crysis 2 and 3 have 64 bit executables.

With that in mind, I doubt going from 4gb to 8gb is going to improve framerates. It might improve pop-in, load times, texture quality, and give Sony more room for OS footprint, though.

maxy · « **Reply #2197 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:26:55 AM »

Opiate dropping truth bombs and sfags keep and keep going,amazing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=48143540#post48143540

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2198 on:** February 24, 2013, 06:50:05 AM »

Fanboys haven't the slightest amount of business, economy, or technology sense? Who would have guessed! $:-\$

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #2199 on:** February 24, 2013, 07:02:17 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on February 24, 2013, 06:19:09 AM

The irony of this RAM-mania is that even high end PC games running at 1080p only take up about 1.5gb of DDR5 RAM. The only way you'll go over 2gb is if you run 1440p+ or run multiple monitors. Similarly, most PC games are still 32 bit and thus can't use much more than 1.3gb of DDR3 RAM, yet they still manage to run just fine. Only a handful of PC games like Crysis 2 and 3 have 64 bit executables.

With that in mind, I doubt going from 4gb to 8gb is going to improve framerates. It might improve pop-in, load times, texture quality, and give Sony more room for OS footprint, though.

That's because there is no point in games with that in mind, now with PS4 there will be a reason to.

Powerslave · « **Reply #2200 on:** February 24, 2013, 07:17:24 AM »

Quote from: archnemesis on February 24, 2013, 05:44:39 AM

Using a Nintendo character to promote Sony fanboyism seems a bit counter-intuitive.

don't be insane, it illustrates the impact of the given fact.

archie4208 · « **Reply #2201 on:** February 24, 2013, 07:22:31 AM »

Quote from: maxy on February 24, 2013, 06:26:55 AM

Opiate dropping truth bombs and sfags keep and keep going,amazing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=48143540#post48143540

GAF is virtually unreadable right now. So many armchair executives.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #2202 on:** February 24, 2013, 01:02:15 PM »

Whats always funny with this system wars bullshit is everyone using the same tactics but switches them around whenever it runs out of favor.

sonyfan wants their system to be powerful and believes in more Ram/better shit
msfan berates him for it being too expensive, late, already set in stone, etc
sony does actually change something for the better
now msfan wants their system to be powerful and beileves in more ram/better shit
sonyfan berates him for it being too expensive, late, already set in stone
etc

maxy · « **Reply #2203 on:** February 24, 2013, 01:23:51 PM »

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2204 on:** February 24, 2013, 02:27:20 PM »

Quote from: Borys on February 24, 2013, 06:10:19 AM

I don't think you dudes understood my post. Sony fanbois are somehow thinking Killzone 4 is 30 fps because it was not made with 8GB DDR5 RAM in mind. In their fucked up Sony brains doubling the RAM automatically, in every game announced, doubles the framerate.

Yup, as I predicted, 8GB DDR5 = SPUs of the PS3. sony fans cried endlessly last gen over how developers aren't fully utilizing the SPUs of the PS3 because otherwise CGI graphics at 1080p/60fps would have been possible.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2205 on:** February 24, 2013, 07:00:48 PM »

Yoshida said in that Japanese interview snip in some other thread here that lots of the RAM would be allotted to the OS since they had all these new features they wanted to try. He didn't give a figure but there is no f'ing way all 8 is going to be reserved for games

nevertheless that is the only figure anyone will ever remember so well played

pilonv1 · « **Reply #2206 on:** February 24, 2013, 07:10:03 PM »

Bugbear

maxy · « **Reply #2207 on:** February 25, 2013, 12:50:35 AM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #2208 on:** February 25, 2013, 12:52:56 AM »

Hot insider tip:

Quote

From a moderator on another well known forum...

"A friend's brother is working on a multi platform next-gen game for both Xbox and PS4, and he told us that the Xbox is definitely more powerful than the PS4, discounting the new RAM upgrade for the PS4. So the extra 4GB may make that up, but he said that in terms of power/speed, the Xbox is superior to the PS4 (so really the CPU/GPU combo). I can't confirm which game he's working on (he didn't say), and I don't want to say which studio he's at, other than it's in Canada.

I'm not a fan of either company (never owned a console that wasn't Nintendo, but don't currently own anything beside my PC), this is just information I am passing along from a developer based on the devkits they have and the specs they've been working with. "

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #2209 on:** February 25, 2013, 01:22:18 AM »

Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2013, 12:52:56 AM

Hot insider tip:
Quote
From a moderator on another well known forum...

"A friend's brother is working on a multi platform next-gen game for both Xbox and PS4, and he told us that the Xbox is definitely more powerful than the PS4, discounting the new RAM upgrade for the PS4. So the extra 4GB may make that up, but he said that in terms of power/speed, the Xbox is superior to the PS4 (so really the CPU/GPU combo). I can't confirm which game he's working on (he didn't say), and I don't want to say which studio he's at, other than it's in Canada.

I'm not a fan of either company (never owned a console that wasn't Nintendo, but don't currently own anything beside my PC), this is just information I am passing along from a developer based on the devkits they have and the specs they've been working with. "

in case there's some crazy reason you don't know, demi is a huge xbot

maxy · « **Reply #2210 on:** February 25, 2013, 01:35:34 AM »

Two months of swargs speculating,making countless threads about MS.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #2211 on:** February 25, 2013, 03:34:21 AM »

2 months of self-doubt to be plugged with KZ gifs and 8GB DDR5 you mean

Himu · « **Reply #2212 on:** February 25, 2013, 03:47:25 AM »

Sfags are insane now holy shit. Yes, sony are going after "true" gamers with a c tier first person shooter, a Myst clone where you do Bioware door hacking puzzles to traverse an island, a new infamous game, a car game that seems to focus on everything but the gampelay, and four games that are going to be on every platform under the sun (Deep Down, Destiny, Diablo III which most of us have already invested hundreds of hours in almost a year ago, and Watch Dogs).

Thanks for looking out for us gamers Sony! These games are completely risky and treading the new ground.

Where the fuck is James Cameron? The bar needs to be raised again.

Himu · « **Reply #2213 on:** February 25, 2013, 03:51:39 AM »

It is a South Park joke.

NEW JONATHON BLOW GAME ANNOUNCEMENT.

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2214 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:15:13 AM »

PS4's GPU is based on a Radeon 7850-7870 iirc, so it's not hard to believe MS went for something slightly more powerful. I still think they'll both look pretty much the same in the end. It's going to come down to exclusive games and features (or lack thereof). I doubt I'll be buying the next Xbox if it forces you to be online to use the console.

All the fanboy clamor is a massive waste of time and energy.

benjipwns · « **Reply #2215 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:25:28 AM »

Quote from: mjemirzian on February 25, 2013, 04:15:13 AM

PS4's GPU is based on a Radeon 7850-7870 iirc, so it's not hard to believe MS went for something slightly more powerful. I still think they'll both look pretty much the same in the end.

Can't be close when the LessBox is going to be hampered with 1 GB of last gen molasses DDR3 (with 3GB going to the OS) while the PS4 has EIGHT FULL GB of futureproof GDDR5.

benjipwns · « **Reply #2216 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:33:26 AM »

Not gifs but I hope you'll understand:

Wii U:

LessBox:

Playstation 4 with 8GB GDDR5:

mjemirzian · « **Reply #2217 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:34:17 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on February 25, 2013, 04:27:08 AM

sorry but without a gif to illustrate your point i'm afraid i'm quite lost sir

benjipwns · « **Reply #2218 on:** February 25, 2013, 04:43:05 AM »

Wii U:

Durango LessBox:

Playstation 4 with 8GB GDDR5:

maxy · « **Reply #2219 on:** February 25, 2013, 06:29:11 AM »

Damage control starting already

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So for the initial reveal games, it will be games that have been made using 8GB DDR3 (Durango dev kits) vs games that had been made using 1.5GB GDDR5 for the PS4 (Orbis initial dev kits). Pretty interesting. Theoretically then, the Nextbox games should have more graphical flair.

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This is correct. The alpha build of KZ4 was made with 4GB in mind, fast ram and very impressive.

News:

Author Topic: Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread (Read 430470 times)

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