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« Reply #2340 on: February 28, 2013, 06:19:05 PM »
thinking theres devs thatll target ps4 only (assuming its much more powerful) when most devs cant even afford to keep making multiplatform games nowadays :heh

thinking that people give a shit about an expensive electronic device in 2013 that cant do EVERYTHING out of the box :heh how many people have a all-in-tv ffs?

thinking people dont want/care about more social activity in future game :heh

im hoping microsoft will use smartglass to offer up something similar to the wiiu but much less shitty - social interaction thats linked up to already existing social networks. instead of stupid wiichat we can use twitter and facebook, or switch between a netflix stream from our tv to phone with the tap of a button.  i also hope they have quick startup and switching between programs like the ps4 does.

as far as HOLLYWOOD GAMING and NEXT-GEN GRAPHICS, i think the major devs have two routes: 1) keep cranking out big traditional games as long as you have the cash and pray to God that they're successful, or 2) make long-term series that offer content at closer intervals than the annual updates we get now, and have content packs with various pricing. like a big-budget pay-to-play type of game. pay for the basic content, then pick and choose what maps, game modes, customization items, etc you want and still be compatible with everyone else. instead of having everyone wait til christmas for the next numbered instalment, theyre waiting for the next multiplayer map pack or or single-player episode or character classes. you charge a decent price for this and you end up making more money than you would if you put out a $60 disc with expensive dlc.

devs have been talking about this for years, of course, but there hasnt been a good infrastructure for delivering this type of content, and enough of them have been able to get away with annual updates that a lot of them havent tried to shift. i think the next two years will really see us transition over.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango set for April reveal,New FlatOut
« Reply #2341 on: February 28, 2013, 06:26:47 PM »
It would be nice if MS would show off some cool games at the reveal, it cant be that hard to top the sony exclusives. Secretly id like to see a jrpg or wrpg for launch, but i guess that will never happen.

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« Reply #2342 on: February 28, 2013, 07:14:41 PM »
MS is not 'screaming' about ANYTHING jesus christ :lol

Maybe wait for an announcement before extrapolating these little hints off into infinity
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango set for April reveal,New FlatOut
« Reply #2343 on: February 28, 2013, 08:54:02 PM »
I know I keep saying this but the next 9 months are going to be horrible
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« Reply #2344 on: February 28, 2013, 09:21:23 PM »
this stuff affects you in some way?
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« Reply #2345 on: February 28, 2013, 09:25:10 PM »
why is harry knowles holding an xbox
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« Reply #2346 on: February 28, 2013, 09:26:12 PM »
this stuff affects you in some way?

It does when I read some of those threads. I need to stay away from them
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« Reply #2347 on: February 28, 2013, 09:30:57 PM »
the madness seems relatively contained here, with healthy dissent galore
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« Reply #2348 on: February 28, 2013, 09:40:57 PM »
Yes I never meant here, reading everyone's thoughts here are the only thing keeping me sane
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« Reply #2349 on: February 28, 2013, 11:56:00 PM »
xbox video makes me realize I miss working in the IEB studios - oh wait I'm interviewing there again next week  8)
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why is harry knowles holding an xbox

someone told him there was candy inside
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/21/2652055/kinect-fusion-lightspace-microsoft-building-99-exclusive-tour

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As you might have seen in our second episode of On The Verge, our own Joshua Topolsky recently toured Microsoft's Building 99, where the company conducts a variety of wild research. Today we're pleased to share a look at Kinect Fusion and Lightspace — two technologies that bridge the physical and virtual worlds with sensors and imaging.

Kinect Fusion is a system that uses the Kinect's sensors to create an interactive, real-time 3D model of the environment — the demonstration shows virtual balls bouncing around on the objects captured and rendered directly from the real world. (It's not the first time we've seen the Kinect used for 3D modeling, but it's nice to see an official effort.) Microsoft's Kevin Schofield is quick to point out that the $150 Kinect sensor can accomplish the same tasks as industrial versions of the technology that cost about $50,000.

Lightspace works in the opposite direction: with a combination of depth cameras and projectors, it can create linked interactive screens on different surfaces. In the video, principal researcher Andy Wilson demonstrates how objects projected on a table can be moved around, re-sized, and even carried to another display using his hands. It's something you have to see to really understand, so fire up that video.
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Now see?  If Microsoft were to be packing in some Minority Report type shit with the NextBox360, I could get on board with that.
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Kinda old info but
http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/



-different power states,draws minimal electricity when not in use
-instantly ready, maintains constant internet connection,console and software is always up to date
-no waiting to restart,install updates--always on,always connected
-Kinect in every box/required to operate,dedicated system resources for Kinect
-low latency wireless for new controller,improved ergonomics
-large hard drive,all games installed,play from optical disc not supported,disc media just for distribution
-no waiting for installation,games play while installing
-digital audio only
 
 
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2355 on: March 19, 2013, 08:02:49 PM »
It's always messy when a big company losing marketshare implodes like this. At least Sony is dying with dignity. MS and EA want to flip us the bird on the way down.

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« Reply #2356 on: March 19, 2013, 08:38:15 PM »
There is nothing bad in this,quite the contrary(except "maybe" Kinect but we'll see how that works).The rest is great,full streamlining.Note that is doesn't say mandatory online required for games to operate but it says for Kinect.I bet devs love always on system especially if patching process has been simplified(I hope it is).

Mandatory full installs,best thing ever---I bet that everybody installs 360 games now.Time to stop disc drive crackling noises/horrible random access times.It also gives disc-digital parity,higher compression ratios for disc/downloads.360 installs are nothing more than disc ISO,you can still get a DRE when installed.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2357 on: March 19, 2013, 09:03:53 PM »
Kinect aside

Most of my complaints about 360.

New 360 game

1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing

There is one more thing I would like,ability to play installed games without disc switching.That leads to blocking used games but since that doesn't bother me personally...
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« Reply #2358 on: March 19, 2013, 09:30:03 PM »
Most of that sounds ok to me. Loading times have to be one of the more annoying things this gen and most gens. Instant access to a game right from where I left off would be awesome.

I'm already on the Kinect train. I have one plonked atop my HDTV so it's use doesn't make me scream. In fact I look forward to seeing a much improved version of the camera. From that article it looks like it will work in smaller rooms as well. I have enough room though, it's the voice control shit I'm more interested in.

The 'always on' I take to mean it will be like wiiconnect24 where the system will DL updates as and when it needs them while in standby mode, so when you switch on it's not DL'ing massive updates ala PS3. Would also hopefully mean games like BF3 having to DL 2-4 gig updates while you wait will also be a thing of the past.

I can't see MS outright blocking used games but they, Sony and the third parties will do all they can to make things as annoying for people who do. Especially with MP centric titles.

So not much different from how they do things at the moment with that.

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« Reply #2359 on: March 19, 2013, 09:41:54 PM »
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I can't see MS outright blocking used games but they, Sony and the third parties will do all they can to make things as annoying for people who do. Especially with MP centric titles.

What about an option to lock games to system/account(Live required),no more disc switching afterwards?

Put the blame on the users.
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« Reply #2360 on: March 19, 2013, 10:24:27 PM »
by in large it seems like durango will have comparable features to the ps4 in terms of convenience.  not much to go on, or to believe what's there.

kinect required to operate is worrisome based on the current kinect experience.  if (imagine a comically big 'if') Kinect 2 works, it might not be so bad.

Mostly care about the controller and how to use it on PC.  If there must be another adapter, instead of going with bluetooth, at least it should be discrete like Logitech devices.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2361 on: March 19, 2013, 10:27:08 PM »
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1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing

spoiler : someone has hollowed out your X360 and put a PS3 in the case.

10 minute install? Are you actually installing everything to disk? or did i miss some new shit?
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« Reply #2362 on: March 19, 2013, 10:48:21 PM »
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1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing

spoiler : someone has hollowed out your X360 and put a PS3 in the case.

10 minute install? Are you actually installing everything to disk? or did i miss some new shit?

Yes.
Haven't played the game directly from disc in years.Can't stand the noise anymore,360 Slim is pretty quiet when games are installed and they load faster.

I thought everybody was doing that,no?
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« Reply #2363 on: March 19, 2013, 10:52:39 PM »
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1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing

spoiler : someone has hollowed out your X360 and put a PS3 in the case.

10 minute install? Are you actually installing everything to disk? or did i miss some new shit?


Wouldn't be 10mins if there was a PS3 inside. Maybe 40 mins.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2364 on: March 19, 2013, 11:33:38 PM »
I always install my games too; can't stand cd spinning sound. any game over a couple gigs takes about 10 minutes for me too.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2366 on: March 20, 2013, 12:58:48 AM »
-instantly ready, maintains constant internet connection,console and software is always up to date
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2367 on: March 20, 2013, 01:14:58 AM »


-large hard drive,all games installed,play from optical disc not supported,disc media just for distribution

 
 


Hello there anti used games DRM!
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2368 on: March 20, 2013, 01:57:19 AM »
We've got a lot of tech wizards at the bore, but man, some of you suck at reading between the lines, heh.
They're in the "denial" phase of grief.

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« Reply #2369 on: March 20, 2013, 03:01:35 AM »
We've got a lot of tech wizards at the bore, but man, some of you suck at reading between the lines, heh.

Your winning streak has to end at some point.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2370 on: March 20, 2013, 03:56:20 AM »
niche genre

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2371 on: March 21, 2013, 05:50:00 AM »




Rango devkit

or maybe Steambox

Rango Steambox

« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 06:04:52 AM by maxy »
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2372 on: March 21, 2013, 10:13:19 AM »


-large hard drive,all games installed,play from optical disc not supported,disc media just for distribution

 
 


Hello there anti used games DRM!

Yup. Every game will have a CD key like PC software.

MS is saying FUCK YOU to GameStop.
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« Reply #2373 on: March 21, 2013, 10:21:47 AM »
...and their business, unless Sony decides to go the same route. If it's only Microsoft that are blocking used games, Gamestop would remove most of the MS products and only promote Nintendo and Sony.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2374 on: March 21, 2013, 10:27:46 AM »
THIRD CONSOLE SYNDROME
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2375 on: March 21, 2013, 10:34:20 AM »
Might as well have Steam on it then.

Rango Steambox :bow2

or at least use Steam as backward/forward compatibility solution,just slap AMD GPU PC drivers to mask extra Rango parts...if I'm not mistaken this time you can completely avoid ESRAM

x86 CPU  + AMD DDR3 GPU+Windows OS = PC

should be enough to run lots of Steam games at 720p 30 fps

Rango native mode would expose those extra performance boosting parts,naturally.
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« Reply #2376 on: March 21, 2013, 10:37:46 AM »
it'd be a pretty genious idea if they did manage to get Steam on it as the online platform and with full BC for all steam games but:

A: Gabe still hates Microshit
B: Microshit still loves money

not going ot happen
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« Reply #2377 on: March 21, 2013, 10:42:53 AM »
This is how I picture Methodis:
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2378 on: March 21, 2013, 10:44:34 AM »
If MS goes through with it, I'd be fine moving over to the Sony bandwagon.

However, I'm not ready to find a new job (I work at Gamestop) so I kindof don't want them to do it.

I don't think Gamestop would go under completely, but they would probably do like Starbucks did back in 2008 and close down half of their stores.  I remember that, because I worked at Starbucks at the time.

Moral of the story: I only work on sinking ships.
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« Reply #2379 on: March 21, 2013, 10:48:25 AM »
atleast you dont work at best buy
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« Reply #2380 on: March 21, 2013, 10:50:22 AM »
Very true.  Don't know how I managed to dodge that bullet.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2381 on: March 21, 2013, 12:22:24 PM »
it'd be a pretty genious idea if they did manage to get Steam on it as the online platform and with full BC for all steam games but:

A: Gabe still hates Microshit
B: Microshit still loves money

not going ot happen
Yeah,Gabe would be the key component here.

Let's assume that Rango can be turned into a PC with a press of a button.

Steam is free so anyone can use it,pre-loading is possible too.

Few problems

1.Two separate accounts needed(Steam + XBL)
2.Performance problems with newer games,native Rango/PC games would be unplayable and MS would surely like to sell them on XBL...cut off date/game required,users can access anything bellow(or everything that passes minimum performance test)
3.Steam library is nice but you would have to rebuy games that you already own(if you want to play them on Rango)

Those things can be fixed but only through Valve(Gabe).

Not sure what is the exact number of 360/PC titles overlapping but it's probably very high.Just get few high profile 360 exclusives on Steam and you are good to go.No expensive 360 emulator development,no need for expensive testing,Q&A(probably hundreds(thousands?) of hours per every game) and you get a nice bonus--Steam library.

Chance of happening--1%
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« Reply #2382 on: March 21, 2013, 12:25:43 PM »
Probably a higher chance of Origin appearing on Durpgaygo
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« Reply #2383 on: March 21, 2013, 12:45:24 PM »
Probably a higher chance of Origin appearing on Durpgaygo

That's probably what the big EA/MS announcement is.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2384 on: March 21, 2013, 12:54:17 PM »
Its like MS is doing everything to tick the boxes for me not to buy it.

Kinect
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2385 on: March 21, 2013, 12:57:29 PM »
So, like, PS4 wins then? There's enough JP stuff that I don't get to play on 360 to make me kinda want a PS3 at this point so going Sony next round seems fine by me really. :-[
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« Reply #2386 on: March 21, 2013, 01:05:48 PM »
If they leaked specs are accurate then it seems like the PS4 would be a better machine for playing games. It's still too early to tell though since things can change fast. The Vita got nothing but praise when it was announced with a $250 price tag. When Nintendo cut the price of the 3DS by 40% everything changed instantly and the Vita was no longer attractive to the general public.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2387 on: March 21, 2013, 01:51:01 PM »
Maybe cutting the price by 40% is Nintendo's strategy for the WiiU too  :omg

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« Reply #2388 on: March 21, 2013, 02:50:05 PM »
Well,it certainly looks like PS4 will be the last traditional console,haven for console diehards.Console announcement was exactly what you would expect--bigger,better more badass PS3.
Gaikai?
That can run on anything,Sony could easily allow you to instantly play games that you are downloading on PS3.

Nintendo next thing will be pretty different too,I think.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2389 on: March 21, 2013, 03:00:07 PM »
Sony's totally gonna participate in the coming DRM schemes, look at how cagey they're being when questioned about it. There's no way in hell a publisher is gonna let one of these two systems go without some sort of anti-used scheme in this coming generation.

Here's how it will likely play out, minor differences between platforms aside: You buy your game, put it in your Xbox or Playstation, and either A) it reads a key off the disc and gets tagged/locked to the system, or B) you punch in the ridiculous code from the card in the box...which tags/locks it to your system. Now, when you're finished, you can technically (in the most corporate-weasel sense of the word) sell that disc, or loan it. So that "oh yeah, yeah, sure, you can sell your games when you're finished" bullet point is covered. The person who buys your used game puts the disc in their system, and is greeted with a popup along the lines of "We see this game isn't registered to this console. To unlock the full features of the game, please purchase a pass from PSN/XBL!" This pass will likely be around the $15 to $20 range. Otherwise, what they have bought is a glorified demo - an allotted amount of playtime, a certain number of levels, or some other arbitrary cutoff point. At which time another popup demanding payment shows, and your game either A) lets you replay for that time or amount of levels, or B) stops working completely. You'll almost certainly be able to buy these passes beforehand at the Gamestop register, and will be reminded of this by the friendly register jockey every single time you buy a used game at Gamestop.

Again, this was never about Gamestop. They put up a front where Gamestop wears the villain face, but if they had that much of a problem with Gamestop you wouldn't be seeing all those online pass cards everywhere inside the store, and you wouldn't be able to buy a code printed directly on a register receipt. No, whether they publicly admit it or not they like Gamestop fine, because Gamestop actually makes them money. This was, and is, totally about you. They hate your guts  because you sell your games, you loan them to your friends, and they don't see any money from that. Things aren't going to change that much for Gamestop. They'll get along fine, and all it's really gonna cost them is a pegboard for the pass cards and a little more register tape for the codes. Things are gonna change for you, though. You and your little buddies are either gonna cough it up this next generation, or you're not gonna play.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2390 on: March 21, 2013, 06:55:00 PM »
MS and Sony could still allow publishers the choice of blocking used games or not, rather than forcing it on every game.

The two main reasons I bought a 360 were for some of the JP exclusives (Cave games) and the fact that most multiplat games ran slightly better on it. Take away those two reasons and there's little reason for me to buy an Xbox 3, esp. if they are going full steam ahead with Kinect and online BS.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2391 on: March 21, 2013, 08:41:36 PM »
MS and Sony could still allow publishers the choice of blocking used games or not, rather than forcing it on every game.

The two main reasons I bought a 360 were for some of the JP exclusives (Cave games) and the fact that most multiplat games ran slightly better on it. Take away those two reasons and there's little reason for me to buy an Xbox 3, esp. if they are going full steam ahead with Kinect and online BS.

I think this is what might happen where its there in the system but it will be the publisher that decides (same that almost happened with Stranglehold
and eventually happened with P4A in regards to region locking on a PS3 game)

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2392 on: March 21, 2013, 08:50:04 PM »
MICROSOFT.

You are doing everything in your power to make me keep my 360 as my arcade pick and up gaming machine and buy a ps4 next generation.

God, I hate rumors. When does that thing get revealed so we can nip this crap in the bud?
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2393 on: March 21, 2013, 08:56:29 PM »
So Chinese conglomerate Tencent bought a ~50% share of Epic for $330 million last fall.  Apparently quite a few senior employees have left (CliffyB, Mike Capps, etc).  Whether or not that's related to the Tencent investment is unknown.

Do you guys think that the Tencent investment will have any overarching effect on next gen?  I personally question Tencent because, outside of Infinity Blade, the games Epic makes don't quite gel with what Tencent specializes in.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2394 on: March 21, 2013, 09:04:44 PM »
Feels like Sony could go that way.  MS seems like they're going to have it across the board if rumours be true.

Yea Sony might have the Japan market to worry about in regards to that (at least compared to MS who dont have to give a flying fuck).

And that "runs only when installed on the HD" bit is pretty damn worrying tbh.


Hint: when the same "rumours" show up at multiple sources, they aren't really rumours.

EDGE close to being vindicated?  :P

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2395 on: March 21, 2013, 09:07:52 PM »
I don't mind the install HD thing. The always online always connected thing could mean a lot of stuff so I'm waiting for a definitive answer. Also a major point for me is BC. But since it seems ps4 will have all the jrpgs. I may just go with that anyways since all the Japanese franchises I give a.fuck about are all about Sony.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2396 on: March 21, 2013, 09:23:55 PM »
So Chinese conglomerate Tencent bought a ~50% share of Epic for $330 million last fall.  Apparently quite a few senior employees have left (CliffyB, Mike Capps, etc).  Whether or not that's related to the Tencent investment is unknown.

Do you guys think that the Tencent investment will have any overarching effect on next gen?  I personally question Tencent because, outside of Infinity Blade, the games Epic makes don't quite gel with what Tencent specializes in.

that explains a lot, and is legit troubling
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2397 on: March 21, 2013, 09:28:19 PM »
Well, we can expect lots of F2P and P2W coming out of Epic in the near future, I think.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2398 on: March 21, 2013, 10:47:09 PM »
is there any glimmer of hope in the Oscarverse
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Rango XDK info
« Reply #2399 on: March 21, 2013, 10:52:10 PM »
and yet we're all still drowning in awesome games everywhere
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