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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Paul Thurrott:Rango/$99 360 incoming
« Reply #2460 on: April 02, 2013, 08:43:45 AM »
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PC's will be 3x stronger than the ps4 and 6x the xbox 720 from the get go.  I'm sticking with the pc.

.... And the WiiU at 352gflops puts PCs at 15-16x - guess you'll be holding off on that as well ?

I meant for multi platform even if the game in consolised.  I buy a system if there are good exclusives on it.  And i have been holding off on the wii, will only buy one if i can get a couple of good games on it, for when the kids of relatives come over.  I dont like them looking bored when they come over.
I do.  I keep them bored so they'll get the fuck out of my house quicker

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Paul Thurrott:Rango/$99 360 incoming
« Reply #2461 on: April 02, 2013, 12:56:17 PM »
http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-and-its-controller-are-currently-covered-465487578

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Controllers for the next Xbox as well as prototype versions of both Microsoft's new, powerful console and the machine's new, mandatory Kinect sensor have been in the hands of game creators since last month. But that's not much of a surprise. What is a surprise is that all of that gear is covered in criss-crossing, radiating black and white stripes. The console codenamed Durango currently looks like a zebra.

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The controller, according to Kotaku sources, actually seems quite similar to the current Xbox 360 one. Same two analog sticks in the same upper-left/lower-right position, same positioning of the d-pad and face buttons and forward and back buttons. Triggers. Bumpers. Top-center power button. It all seems to be the same, though we can't tell if any of these buttons have been improved--if, say, the d-pad responds more crisply, if the triggers pull more deeply, and so on. The new controller, as we reported more than a year ago, is apparently a little smaller than the existing 360 one. It's still the same basic shape, perhaps with refined contours. It's more or less what people are used to.

The new controller doesn't have any major new input interfaces either, from what we understand. No new buttons and certainly no added screen like the Wii U controller has nor a baked-in touchpad like the PS4's.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Paul Thurrott:Rango/$99 360 incoming
« Reply #2462 on: April 02, 2013, 01:01:48 PM »
April fools was yesterday. :o

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2463 on: April 02, 2013, 01:04:09 PM »
meet the Rango

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2464 on: April 02, 2013, 01:54:28 PM »
Unfortunate but to be expected. The 360 controller is very good so I don't have a problem with it basically continuing but console controllers are stuck in a rut. There hasn't been any real control innovation there in a while. (I'm going to ignore the Wii as its not really relevant to what I want) A touchpad for me is useless ala the PS4 and I like the Wii U idea of a portable controller game screen but the market hasn't responded to it sadly.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2465 on: April 02, 2013, 02:40:38 PM »
What kind of control innovation do you want then? For me the last thing I actually wanted was the VMU. Add a VMU like screen onto a dual shock and im happy forever

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« Reply #2466 on: April 02, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
I honestly don't know but I think that's where innovation comes from. Maybe there is no significant new thing that can be added but I'm just surprised nobody has really thought of anything significant to add to the core gaming controller experience in such a long time. 

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2467 on: April 02, 2013, 02:59:27 PM »
Meh, keep it basic. Don't want to shill 100 bucks for a controller.

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« Reply #2468 on: April 02, 2013, 04:35:09 PM »
I honestly don't know but I think that's where innovation comes from. Maybe there is no significant new thing that can be added but I'm just surprised nobody has really thought of anything significant to add to the core gaming controller experience in such a long time.

Whether or not it'll benefit the core gaming experience is up in the air but the major addition this time around is the near-standardization of a camera.  The next Xbox controller could also have motion sensors like the PS3 controller.  Both have been complimentary to standard controls, but who knows how it'll turn out now.

All I'm imagining are more games with lean/peak and other rudimentary controller tracking operations.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2469 on: April 02, 2013, 04:43:14 PM »
Everything that's produced a better control interface for controllers in the past 10 years or so has been refinements of existing shit.  The "innovation" is the crap that sets us back with shitty gimmicks- waggle, kinect, the wii u's shitty touchscreen, etc.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2470 on: April 02, 2013, 04:53:02 PM »
What kind of control innovation do you want then? For me the last thing I actually wanted was the VMU. Add a VMU like screen onto a dual shock and im happy forever

When people discuss the Wii controller, everybody takes issue with the waggle (and rightfully so)... but the IR pointing capabilities have a ton of gameplay use. Aiming in Sin and Punishment 2 felt extremely natural and it gives rail shooters/light gun games a new lease on life (as well as, theoretically, RTS games, point and clicks, etc.). Seems like having an IR pointer in controllers has fallen to the wayside, discarded because people were getting sick of the awkwardness/inaccuracy of waggle and threw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2471 on: April 02, 2013, 05:55:11 PM »
I honestly don't know but I think that's where innovation comes from. Maybe there is no significant new thing that can be added but I'm just surprised nobody has really thought of anything significant to add to the core gaming controller experience in such a long time.

Whether or not it'll benefit the core gaming experience is up in the air but the major addition this time around is the near-standardization of a camera.  The next Xbox controller could also have motion sensors like the PS3 controller.  Both have been complimentary to standard controls, but who knows how it'll turn out now.

All I'm imagining are more games with lean/peak and other rudimentary controller tracking operations.

Yeah the camera I fear will be mainly use for all sorts of motion control gimmicks or putting my face on people in a game. The voice control aspect has the potential to be more impactful when it comes to actual traditional gaming.

Tiesto is hitting closer to what I mean. Whatever I think about what the Wii became, originally there was all this promise about how the ir controls combined with the motion control would revolutionze fps style gaming or simply pointer controls in general. Now for some specific reasons and limitations that never took off but I like the idea of trying something big that would have a potential big impact on traditional controller. The Dual Analog came out in 97 and every controller has essentially been a riff on that. I'm curious to see if there could be a new thing. Or maybe that basic controller design has become the mouse and keyboard type standard for consoles.

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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2472 on: April 03, 2013, 02:53:58 AM »
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-02-gamestop-next-xbox-will-be-a-very-hot-compelling-device
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Raines told GamesIndustry International last week following the GameStop earnings call that he's very excited for next-gen, and he's especially eager for Microsoft to take the wraps off its next-gen Xbox.

"We've been spending a lot of time with Microsoft, but we have to let them take the lead on this, but it will be a very hot, compelling device. They are doing some really cool stuff, and I'm eager to hear them start their announcements because I think the world is going to stand up and take notice," Raines commented.
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2473 on: April 03, 2013, 03:05:48 AM »
heard last night that the UE4 Infiltrator demo was running on a single 680, which is both impressive and infuriating (that we aren't getting anything close to that performance out of that h/w right now on PC)
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Re: Next next gen thread of stupid rumors;Kotaku:Rango looks like a zebra
« Reply #2474 on: April 03, 2013, 03:07:56 AM »
The upcoming console war will be the war to end all wars.

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I will be funny if Peter Moore becomes EA CEO and then comes to stage during Rango reveal.
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And tapping Don Mattrick's shoulder.

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The shoulder tap heard round the (RPG playing) world. Many fanboy asses were damaged that day.

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The shoulder tap heard round the (RPG playing) world. Many fanboy asses were damaged that day.

We all know how that game panned out but oh Jesus Christ the tears. The best part was I knew it was coming and baited a whole bunch of fools beforehand

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The shoulder tap heard round the (RPG playing) world. Many fanboy asses were damaged that day.

We all know how that game panned out but oh Jesus Christ the tears. The best part was I knew it was coming and baited a whole bunch of fools beforehand

I was shocked at first then kinda felt bad for the people melting down because it became fucking sad.

its more likely because of its mediocre quality is why its placed under the rug now

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when i look at that 1up thing, all i can really think is that sega promised, microsoft delivered

:bow microsoft :bow2
:piss sega :piss2

Yeah, Sega manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory consistently.  :-\

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Sega/Dreamcast fanboys sure have a strange way of expressing their devotion.

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Sega was too far ahead of their time.  I'm not saying that as a good thing, 'cause it killed them.   56k online, zip drives, promises to play DVDs, easily pirated games...these are all things you would bet on pre-internet boom. 

which is why the dreamcast comparisons were always click-bait + fanboy fodder.

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Internet found this

Staff/Advisory Engineer at IBM
"Oban – migration of XBOX PowerPC chip to 32nm"

Oban was like the first rumor about Rango.I guess this pretty much confirms $99 360 that plays Win8 apps.Rango might have it too for BC(and other) purposes.

360=Dreamcast
Rango=army of processors=Sega Saturn

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http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-require-an-internet-connection-to-st-470062456

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"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."


"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."

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Some sources told us that they believed that the Durango development kit required an online connection so that Microsoft could keep tabs on them and update them with new, ever-evolving firmware. Others weren't sure.

A few weeks ago, we heard from one reliable industry source who told us about a Durango developer making a game that would use an always-online connection for gameplay purposes, to constantly be able to share game data back and forth. It wasn't clear, though, if this indicated the Durango's capacity to be always online--Nintendo's Wii had its own optional 24/7 always-online mode--or if the online connection was a must.

That said, a caution and a caveat: other sources familiar with the codenamed Durango console have told us that they are still unaware of any Microsoft plans regarding an online requirement. No one has been able to say it's not true and some have speculated that this is required at the operating system level and therefore isn't something Microsoft has to tell all developers or retail partners. Microsoft also has the ability to change this type of requirement seemingly at a moment's notice through changes in firmware or networking infrastructure.

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The new confirmation we've heard from sources, including the specifics about how the Durango would handle a dropped connection, bolster our confidence that all this smoke is a sign of some fiery facts.

But why would they do this?

Every person we've talked to about the always-online connection, internally and externally, has been incredulous. They predict a fiasco. They detect hubris in a Microsoft riding high off of the Xbox 360's incredible post-Kinect sales performance. But they also detect, as I have, an intensified interest in Microsoft's part to position the next Xbox as an entertainment device, to not emphasize games as significantly as they had with past Microsoft consoles. Add that to far shakier rumors of the next Xbox working as a cable box or DVR or some other TV-viewing enabler--something not a single source of mine could confirm--and you might wonder: if my cable box always has to be connected, why not my next Xbox?

MCD,please explain.

I blame EA for this.

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I was already leaning towards only getting a PS4. Xbox 720 being online only would cement the deal.

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I dont think online only is a deal breaker for achievenig profitability but it is to achieve market penetration.

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Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about?  :teehee

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Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about?  :teehee
Nah.
That is just catching up to PC.
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Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about?  :teehee
Nah.
That is just catching up to PC.


Steam games can be played offline.
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Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about?  :teehee
Nah.
That is just catching up to PC.


Steam games can be played offline.

And you can download special .exe files to negate that altogether. :troll

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Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about?  :teehee
Nah.
That is just catching up to PC.


Steam games can be played offline.

Offline Gold.

Pay to play offline.

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So I don't get many inside scoop honestly and I'll never put my GAF account at risk so take it with more than a grain of salt but my good friend at Treyarch, the one who told me about COD:blops2 back in the wust days when it wasn't announced yet, told me that:

online connection is indeed required to start games for the first time
kinect integration like manu navigation is mandatory for every game but it's actually done at system level
used games are not blocked per se

Hardly breaking-news info but I thought maybe someone would have been interested in such speculation nontheless
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What does "per se" mean? You can buy used games, but you have to buy a $10 used-game pass?
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What does "per se" mean? You can buy used games, but you have to buy a $10 used-game pass?

I think that's exactly what it means.
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We don't comment on rumors.

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What does "per se" mean? You can buy used games, but you have to buy a $10 used-game pass?

Probably more.

After the game is registered,game is yours.It won't play in other console since online registration is required.But unlike Steam,MS has Gamestop to worry about.

Michael Pachter solution:

Block used sales for certain period of time,1-3 months.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 04:03:57 PM by maxy »
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Publishers want their used games cut and they don't care if they have to inconvenience the user with a server check + online payment to do so.

I would not be surprised at all if PS4 has a similar sort of system planned.

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sony better look out

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Only a fool would buy MS Xbox products. These guys have no interest in delivering good things. They scrape by, make a good game once in a while and rip people's money off with unnecessary things and lots of people flock to it because they are ignorant and/or they got too much money to blow.
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So it looks like it's time to use this again

Hell let's double it up for good measure
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Block used sales for certain period of time,1-3 months.
It'll be funny if that actually ended up destroying pre-orders completely. "I'll buy it when it's out-out", the new "I'll wait for the GOTY version with all the DLC." (That didn't actually happen, did it? Yeah...) Hey, maybe we're gonna get useful reviews too, haha... Sigh.

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Hahaha if true, I'm definitely going ps4 next gen.
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Block used sales for certain period of time,1-3 months.
It'll be funny if that actually ended up destroying pre-orders completely. "I'll buy it when it's out-out", the new "I'll wait for the GOTY version with all the DLC." (That didn't actually happen, did it? Yeah...) Hey, maybe we're gonna get useful reviews too, haha... Sigh.

Yeah,I don't think it would have much influence on average(or hardcore) gamer buying habits.
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Pre orders in general have been a curse for developers this gen. Games end up being so front loaded you need more money to market them etc because after 2/3 months youre game is done.

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If this is true, it's actually going to be hilarious!

They should really call the next box something cluelessly related to Surface, like Carbon or something.
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Mattrick has that 'nuke the world' smile.

It must really hurt that there haven't been more Commando gifs with Dons face.
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back from a playtest at a M$. It wasn't a playtest, but rather a 2 hour discussion with 20+ people about next gen and specifically nothing about xbox. But the last hour was all straight up next gen xbox stuff. Only half of the group was kept for this. 

Controllers:

Saw 6 controller designs that were all variations of the same form factor. The contours on some of them are all slightly changed, but two of them had some button adjustments. Prepare for hyper sensitive buttons aka chicklet buttons, even the d-pad had the chicklet feel. The analog sticks were "active sense" their term not mine. Basically it gives some resistance based on what the action is on screen. Example of this was closing the hatch of a submarine/ship (bf4 probably) and having resistance as you move the analog stick around as it would "lock" you could feel it via the stick and some crazy new vibration. Triggers also have this type of resistance technology.  The controller is smaller than the 360 controller but its only smaller cause they've cut the amount of plastic in the controller. It's still the same size when you put it in your hands. Bottom has an area  for an additional battery pack from the looks. It has a integrated battery built into the controller. It's lighter than a PS3 controller.

UI:

This shit is bonkers!

Blades are back kinda.... you use lb/rb to go between states.

So the system has several states, each state is like a separate space for what you are going to be doing. So the two I saw were "Entertainment" and "Xbox Zone" you can switch between two at any time and can jump from a game right into Netflix/Hulu  and then when you're done watching something you can go right back to your game wherever you were. It also saves the state when you turn off the console. Which allows you to leave a game anytime and jump right back into it. They warned that you will loose your state if the console looses power. So I'm assuming the console never turns off, it only goes into sleep mode.

The UI of the states are different but set up the same, they both have multiple mini video boxes for everything. Think Metro but animated to show what everything does. The both had a "live" area where you could watch TV and online live videos. It looks like it propagates things that the user likes then shows them automatically on the main screen. In the xbox area they show what's installed and what other people are playing and where they are in games. It could potentially spoil games for people cause it streams what people are doing right now. This was all super guided and looked very clean/done. If you go to the guide it show's you what people are doing in that state, you can also invite people to watch a sports game live on tv/stream with friends with a google hangout like area on the bottom so you can watch your friends while you watch the game. It seem's you could do that with streams of  people playing games as well.

Other:

Disc games are locked to console and user. Same bluray disc single license disc locking tech that sony uses for crossplay. It can be unlocked if you request it then you can sell it or use it on another console. Great for dev's headaches for gamefly/redbox/gamestop. Discs are still required to be in the system when you start them up. We only saw a demo of this technology and were asked  to discuss it. I was  pretty negative about it due to the fact I'm a multi console home. They rested my fears by saying they were contemplating having it locked on up to 5  devices at one time. Still didn't like that it's locked to a user though.

There was a lot to take in but I hope that gives you an idea as to what we'll potentially be getting. No Kinect stuff was showed off except for a camera on the top of the tv. And no consoles were shown at all.

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http://i.imgur.com/MvXQd48.jpg

"far superior" next-gen Playstation?

:sabu

Did "man god" Shane write this article?

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Does this guy work for Ms?
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who is that fool

i mean, all my devices, from PC to Kindle, are 'always on' as well but it's incredibly dumb to extrapolate out from your own personal situation like that
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Not to mention phones have mobile service. So of course they're always on. However the other day my internet was having problems and my 360 disconnected from live. I could still play my game. If this were next box I'd be booted. Comparing to a phone is asinine.
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Looks like I'm not buying the next box! Sayonara xbla collection!
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