Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[Verdigris Murder]

Btw I once got a résumé from someone who offhandedly mentioned a criminal record. I googled his name and found out he had burned down two churches and got caught on his way to a third. Sometimes you just have to hire some wildcards who can think outside the box and solve company problems such as "why is the building not on fire"

I can't leik posts on tap talk. So it'll just have to be one of those old fashioned quotes. That says one powerful any yet simple word: 'This' or the upside down v.

[Verdigris Murder]

Ne way. Good thread guys.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Like stealing candy from a

 

[pilonv1]

How about, gasp, having non trivial incentives to buy games at launch? And I'm not talking about holding back content/removing online - these companies have to learn that punishment is not the way forward especially when we are probably going to see games prices take the usual next-gen hike.

They're scared to death of the hardcore leaving them in droves the way that the rest of the market has so instead of giving them a reason to stay they're going to nickel & dime them to death and bleed every cent out of them they can. Which is probably the most short sighted move you could make.

[Don Flamenco]

How about, gasp, having non trivial incentives to buy games at launch? And I'm not talking about holding back content/removing online - these companies have to learn that punishment is not the way forward especially when we are probably going to see games prices take the usual next-gen hike.

I was just at gamestop earlier today.  I put some extra credit towards Soul Sacrifice.   One of the preorder bonuses is the fucking Japanese language track for the game. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Top story on the biggest dutch news site "UK retailers against always online next xbox" 

Gl in Europe MS with this kind of publicity

[maxy]

Yeah this seems to be getting a lot of attention,even in my country(barely comments on articles).I won't be surprised if this get mentioned in evening TV news.
Next Xbox,Xbox 720 in article titles

tinfoil hat on

[Sho Nuff]

With every new news story, Adam becomes legend even faster than the Apple engineer who left his prototype iPhone 4 at the bar.

[MCD]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adam-orth/44/354/b44

Adam Orth no longer exists.

[mjemirzian]

Some of my rambling: Windows 8 is a portent of what to expect with Xbox Durango

[Don Flamenco]

i saw someone saying in a gaf thread that the people behind Xbox 1 and 360 aren't on this and it's like some more typical Microsoft team on it now?   Sounded like there were some Sony style shenanigans with interdepartmental conflict and all that.   Maybe the 720 is kinda fucked? 

[Stoney Mason]

i saw someone saying in a gaf thread that the people behind Xbox 1 and 360 aren't on this and it's like some more typical Microsoft team on it now?   Sounded like there were some Sony style shenanigans with interdepartmental conflict and all that.   Maybe the 720 is kinda fucked?

 :why

[maxy]

Things change.

#dealwithit

[Human Snorenado]

Consoles fail

#dealwithit

[Don Flamenco]

i saw someone saying in a gaf thread that the people behind Xbox 1 and 360 aren't on this and it's like some more typical Microsoft team on it now?   Sounded like there were some Sony style shenanigans with interdepartmental conflict and all that.   Maybe the 720 is kinda fucked?

 :why

i know they're our rivals, but some people know what they're talking about there occasionally.   like kagari or that guy who manages the gamestop and provides sales anecdotes that he extrapolates to world wide sales.

[Diunx]

Things change.

#dealwithit

lol I don't think consumers are going to be the ones dealing with it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Xbox relegated to US and UK.

Oh wait that's already how it is.

[maxy]

Things change.

#dealwithit

lol I don't think consumers are going to be the ones dealing with it.

Who knows,people are pretty weird creatures.

Almost confirmed now,Paul Thurrott

http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-vnext-and-always

And now I have a fourth take-away.

4) Microsoft is only upset about the way this feature was communicated, because it likes to present this kind of thing has a positive, not a negative.

Folks, the next Xbox is going to require an always-on Internet connection. I don’t know the specifics of what that means, but as I explained on this week’s What The Tech podcast, which was recorded on Friday instead of the usual Tuesday because of my travel earlier in this week, this piece of information had been communicated to me, along with some other relevant tidbits, in January. It’s true.

Will Microsoft change this requirement in the wake of early outrage? Frankly I think we’re too far along in the development process of the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, to make such a change. More to the point, I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course. But the apps platform on these systems—which will be replicated on the Windows 8-based next Xbox—assumes a connection. Microsoft’s new platforms are integrated conduits for online services.

With bad memories of the horrible SimCity launch in our minds—that PC game also requires an Internet connection, even in “single player” mode—it’s understandable why some are nervous about this. And yes, of course we’re going to hear from the people who live in rural areas of the US, or in parts of the world where Internet connections are slow and unreliable, expensive, and metered. As we always do when any cloud-computing-type issue arises.

Deal with it.

Just kidding. But the knee-jerk reaction to this functionality—which, again, could certainly have been communicated a bit better—is happening before we have all the facts. Let’s see what Microsoft has to say about the next Xbox, first in a late May launch event, and then later at both E3 and BUILD 2013, before we make up our minds. Let’s not let one ill-conceived comment ruin what’s going to be an awesome year for Xbox. And yes, it really is going to be awesome.

Believe.

I'm really interested to see what they have now,this is not a small thing to ask.

[BlueTsunami]

PLEASE BE EXCIIIIITEDDDDDD

[Eel O'Brian]

Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome?  Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.

[Himu]

I can Deal With It or buy a ps4 instead. I know what I'm doing!

[Purple Filth]

Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome?  Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.

But but but he's really critical of MS 



Late April or May need to get here already

[Momo]

The insults and shitposting on the previous page had me in tears

[Phoenix Dark]

Lager wtf. This is The Bore, we snap on each other in jest. Gtfo with that bullshit.

Anyway sounds like gaming will just be another thing Microsoft used to dominate until bad business decisions and hubris caused them to fumble on the opponent's one yard line.

[ManaByte]

Does Paul Thurrott fuck a Steve Ballmer body pillow at night?

[huckleberry]

Video of Thurrott talking about Durango stolen from GAF.

Stuff about Durango starts at 54.44 - tried to link it directly but wouldn't work.





MS has most definitely given up the ghost on gaming as the focus at this point....it's just leverage.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The Durango is going to be a social media box that has gaming as a bullet point feature.

I'll still buy it to support the MS homies here on The Bore.

[Diunx]

Durango, by Americans for Americans.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome?  Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.

But but but he's really critical of MS 

Thurrott just has bizarre mood swings. One week he'll post some ridiculously shilly hyperbolic praise / defense of something MS does, then the next week he'll post some overblown whiny inaccurate bitching about MS. He is pro-MS on average though, but mostly just isn't worth paying attention to. He seems to have some OK sources but he (or the sources) aren't always great at interpreting or understanding whatever info they have.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Durango, by Americans for Americans.

They tried to get Japan and EU for 10 years and gave up it seems.

Sony could make a comeback if people still want consoles in EU/JAP

[mjemirzian]

This news is making me lean towards picking up a PS4 at launch rather than years later. Definitely don't want a Durango.

[Don Flamenco]

Well, it's not the same guys, but 360 wasn't the same guys as Xbox 1, either.

The only thing I want to know is where the fuck J.Allard is?   That guy is iconic of 2000s "hip" marketing.  The whole 360 marketing build up  is even more ridiculous in retrospect.   The fact that he was once a sloven, overweight 60 year old man is just the cherry on top.

[Great Rumbler]

The only thing I want to know is where the fuck J.Allard is?

He basically retired a few years back.

[Himu]

Man all this negative press before even the reveal. This could be very damaging to the brand.

[Human Snorenado]

The negative press AFTER the reveal and AFTER the launch is what's gonna kill it

[Himu]

I think the fact they're so quiet makes it even worse. Sony needs to take advantage of this now before they reveal. If they don't they're stupid.

[mjemirzian]

Why does anyone think this guy should still have a job? He should not be fired for being rude on Twitter, which is why most people want him gone, but he should be fired for completely ruining the Nextbox's reputation before it was even announced. If this always-online rumor is true, then you can bet that Microsoft was working hard on how to spin it. Thanks to Orth, MS has lost control of its message and may never recover. Just look at the OP to see all the different news outlets that reported on this. In the coming days to the announcement of the Nextbox people will not be waiting in anticipation of what MS has in store for next gen like they did for Sony. Now people are just going to be waiting to hear if always-on is indeed true. Even if they don't mention it in the press conference, you can bet that every single game journalist is going to be prepared to ask them about it. Orth has severely damaged a major hardware release before it is even announced. If that doesn't cost someone a job, I don't know what should.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53020149&postcount=9865

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[Himu]

I don't know why you think that's funny as it is partly true MJ. MS must be itching to scratch the lawsuit finger.

[Momo]

Yeah thats pretty much accurate

[Powerslave]

Durango, by Americans for Americans.

They tried to get Japan and EU for 10 years and gave up it seems.

Sony could make a comeback if people still want consoles in EU/JAP

It would be unbelievably awesome if Sony decided to do a worldwide launch OR AT LEAST include Europe in the first launch regions. They would basically do EVERYTHING right for once and holy fuck it would be awesome. I plan on getting PS4 on day one. The first time I will ever buy something on day one.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Well, it's not the same guys, but 360 wasn't the same guys as Xbox 1, either.

The only thing I want to know is where the fuck J.Allard is?   That guy is iconic of 2000s "hip" marketing.  The whole 360 marketing build up  is even more ridiculous in retrospect.   The fact that he was once a sloven, overweight 60 year old man is just the cherry on top.

http://www.twitter.com/jallard but he hasn't tweeted for over two and a half years.

[Flannel Boy]

I don't recall him specifically saying that the next Xbox console will be "always on," though it was an obvious implication because of his position.

[Himu]

I don't recall him specifically saying that the next Xbox console will be "always on," though it was an obvious implication because of his position.

He didn't. You're right. He didn't mention the xbox. However gamers have been on their toes with this shit due to all the rumors. His post originally ADDRESSED the rumors. He didn't specifically say Durango, but Durango was what was on everyone's mind and he rolled with it. The fact he worked for MS was what sealed it.This guy since handedly damaged a giant part of Ms good will and faith before their own console reveal. A fucking idiot of mass proportions. Him getting hired any time soon is slim.

[Flannel Boy]

I don't recall him specifically saying that the next Xbox console will be "always on," though it was an obvious implication because of his position.

He didn't. You're right. He didn't mention the xbox. However gamers have been on their toes with this shit due to all the rumors. His post originally ADDRESSED the rumors. He didn't specifically say Durango, but Durango was what was on everyone's mind and he rolled with it. The fact he worked for MS was what sealed it.This guy since handedly damaged a giant part of Ms good will and faith before their own console reveal. A fucking idiot of mass proportions. Him getting hired any time soon is slim.

If the console does have the "always on" requirement, then MS's goodwill will is going to be damaged regardless. He may have just sped up the process.

The statement "Sorry, I don't get the drama around having an 'always on' console" is hardly actionable. He's expressing an opinion (I don't get) about an event (the drama in the gaming press and on forums) regarding a requirement ("always on") of a product that may never exist (a console with said requirement), and if it ever exists, it doesn't necessarily have to be produced by MS.

[Stoney Mason]

Man all this negative press before even the reveal. This could be very damaging to the brand.

None of this shit will have anything to do with the success of the next xbox. You are falling into your own forum hivemind trap.

Whether the next xbox always online requirement will have some effect is a different argument though.

As usual I won't pretend to be a psychic and will wait to see how things actually play out since the forums and the internets are often utterly wrong about what people actually want or will tolerate.

I haven't seen much here or on GAF that gives me much confidence about what is going to happen or insightful thoughts about how things will play out. Especially when one console hasn't even been shown yet. Prices given. Or big games shown or announced.

In other words internet going to internet but it means nothing.

[Himu]

Stoney, we are on a discussion forum. It is in our nature to discuss.

There are certain words, like the word 'could' which are used for hypotheticals. I didn't say it'd happen, I did say however that it could. You don't need a brain to see why nor how.

Christ.

[Human Snorenado]

I hate to agree with Stoney, but pretty much yeah, all of this "pre-launch hype" shit only registers for the hardcore spergtards that make up your online videogame forum goers, so pretty much the worst of the worst, and then the 1% of the population that I can deal with, most of whom are here, but some who still end up falling for the hype regardless.

[Stoney Mason]

Stoney, we are on a discussion forum. It is in our nature to discuss.

There are certain words, like the word 'could' which are used for hypotheticals. I didn't say it'd happen, I did say however that it could. You don't need a brain to see why nor how.

Christ.

You can discuss fine. But don't leap to damaging the brand arguments or I know what's going to happen because I have psychic sunglasses. Leave it at I hate X or Y and why you hate X or Y. And I'll never knock that. But going further makes me want to go into people's post history and point out how often they are wrong in some cases with these "predictions".

[Himu]

We will just have to see. I like discussing it any ways. Saying "well, don't talk about that you're not psychic" seems to go against the entire point of the internet.

[Stoney Mason]

We will just have to see. I like discussing it any ways. Saying "well, don't talk about that you're not psychic" seems to go against the entire point of the internet.

Big difference between I hate online DRM because of X, Y, Z. Or online drm is gonna be a big problem because of X,Y,Z.

But I always have an issue when people overly take their personal leanings and thinks everybody in America feels the same and then overly predicts the market based on it. I do it occasionally also. Sometimes I'm right. Sometimes I'm wrong. But at least I'm willing to admit I'm pulling it out of my ass. Just a personal pet peeve of mine. It's fine to speak from a personal perspective. It's a little bit more troublesome to generalize those feelings unless there is some decent data to back it up.  Feel free to ignore me though.  I'm bitching a bit.

[Phoenix Dark]

Nintendo has shown that once you lose mindshare it's very hard to get it back. MS hasn't revealed anything yet so I wouldn't write them off yet, but it's a bad sign when nearly every info leak about your product is negative; they don't even have a steady group of in-the-know developers or journalists saying "wink wink, it'll be awesome don't worry."

As of right now I think Sony will take their lunch money, but no one can be for sure until MS unveils the damn thing. I have so many Xbot friends who spent this entire generation laughing at the PS3...now most are saying they're definitely buying the PS4 and might not even get the NextBox. Anecdotal but still a pretty surprising turn of events; maybe things change once the console is fully revealed.

[Human Snorenado]

Always online is going to be an issue, because at launch the likelihood of less than 5% of users having some issues is virtually nil.  There's GONNA be some unforeseen fuck-up and it's GONNA effect enough of the initial users to leave a very bad impression, and it's GONNA get mainstream press coverage and snow ball. 

It's also obviously a sneaky, ratfucking move towards anti-used games DRM, no matter how they're trying to spin it. 

This gen was already lining up to be a Thunderdome gen anyway, but hoo boy have the console manufacturers not helped matters: Nintendo by releasing a console with 2007 tech, MS with always online BS, and I'm personally still convinced Sony will try to sell the PS4 for $500 because they're Sony.  It's a good time to be a pc gamer, fellas.  Sit back on our porches and watch the neighbors murder each other.

[Himu]

I'D LOVE TO BUT JAPANESE GAME TRIUMPH

[Human Snorenado]

What are you on about?  I conclusively demonstrated that there are no Japanese games being made any longer worth owning a couple pages ago.  Keep up.

[Stoney Mason]

We won't get any real indications unless the early months of next year and heading into summer on how the next gen consoles are doing relative to each other. The later consumers are of course the harder consumers or price conscious consumers.

Both items will be the hot selling xmas items of the fall. Any and every unit either company can manufacture will be sold over the holidays no matter what. So that's going to be a win for both consoles no matter what in the early going as there are enough early adopters to drive that.

That being said the long term determing factors for a console have always been and will most likely continue to be. Marketing mixed with price, mixed with having the right games at the right time. None of that information is available currently so making long term projections without any of that is bound to be just random guesses outside of very generalized predictions.

Which is completely different from me putting on a logical hat and saying here are the problem with an always online console especially with younger segments of the market where that online stuff is more of an issue.   

Then there are my personal feelings which are different from my wanna be market analysis feelings. I don't personally care at all about always online. I'm fine with it because my console is always online. No used games or restrictions on used game annoys the shit out of me from a rights perspective but ultimately I don't actually buy that many used games anymore. I think that will be a far bigger issue with the general public than it is with me based anecdotally on how certain gamers trade in games to fuel new purchases. For me backwards compatibility is actually the biggest issue with me. But I know the general public doesn't really care about that issue at all.

[Himu]

What are you on about?  I conclusively demonstrated that there are no Japanese games being made any longer worth owning a couple pages ago.  Keep up.

:sadbron

[Stoney Mason]

I don't see a reason to even bother with the next Xbox. Bungie is off the Halo series, and H4 was good, but the series is no longer something that I absolutely must play. No other real exclusives come to mind. Forza is nice, but the next GT will likely be a perfectly adequate replacement.

The only Sony exclusive series I actually like is the Uncharted series. (Last of Us looks cool also to me so I could probably simplify that to just Naughty Dog games) Playing the big ps 3 games since I bought one has taught me that I don't actually like any of them. There are certainly more of them. They just don't align to my personal tastes. Not saying anything negative about their lineup. I totally get why other people are into it and those games. Different strokes. Almost to a game most of my favorites this gen were either third party games or XBLA/PSN fare.

I favored xbox honestly this gen because I got it first based on price and their online was better (despite paying for it). We'll see how things shake out this gen.

[Verdigris Murder]

I don't see a reason to even bother with the next Xbox. Bungie is off the Halo series, and H4 was good, but the series is no longer something that I absolutely must play. No other real exclusives come to mind. Forza is nice, but the next GT will likely be a perfectly adequate replacement.

The next mmo halo type game made by Bungie but with skill trees will not be behind the ISP wall of the Durango.

Respawns one probably will.

EA and the MS dudes are married in a business context.

[maxy]

I like how sfeggits are already convinced in total victory.

PS4

no used games block--Sony said so
no charging for online--Sony would never do that to gamers
online requirement--no chance,look at Diablo 3
BC--nobody cares,keep your PS3/buy new one

Flawless Victory!

[mjemirzian]

I love my PC gaming but I'd rather not pass up PS4 console exclusives. If PS4 is the hardcore gaming console's last stand, I'd like to support it.