Official *Consoles Are For Losers* thread

[Human Snorenado]

It would be funny if the PS4/Durango have more games at launch than the weeeeeoooooo after a year.

[archnemesis]

They won't. It's better to space them out a little even if the games are already ready for release.

[Cerveza mas fina]

It will be funny when watch dogs on ps4/durango outsells the wii u version 3:1 while being on systems with a smaller install base, that will be the nail in the coffin for ubi support.

[ManaByte]

http://fusible.com/2013/04/will-microsoft-call-its-next-generation-console-the-xbox-fusion-domain-names-point-to-yes/

If Microsoft has learned anything from its previous mistakes with launching a product without the matching domains — then it’s quite possible that the company’s next generation console will be called the “Xbox Fusion”.
Microsoft owns the name in a variety of different extensions and it has for years.
Speculation about the name being called “Xbox Fusion” isn’t anything new.  But what separates “Xbox Fusion” and only a few other names from the rest of the list, is that not only does Microsoft own the dot-com (WHOIS), it owns a slew of other domains like XboxFusion.info, XboxFusion.biz, XboxFusion.de, XboxFusion.co.uk – the list goes on and on.
Speculation of the next gen console’s name has gone wild, fueled lately by the recent leak on Reddit of what may be the logo.
Names being kicked around include the Xbox 720, Xbox Infinity, Xbox Infinite, Xbox Gold, Xbox 8, Xbox Durango, Xbox Next, and more.
Domain investor Andy Booth – who knows a thing or two about domains with names like samurai.com – dropped me an email out of the blue saying he believes Microsoft will go with “Xbox Fusion” based on the number of names the company has registered and that the “infinity” symbol is also interpreted as “fusion”.
In case you haven’t been keeping a score card of Microsoft’s matching domains, here’s a look:
Xbox720.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxInfinity.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
Xbox8.com (WHOIS) -Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxDurango.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxInfinite.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxFusion.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
XboxNext.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
XboxGold.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
So will Microsoft go with a name it doesn’t currently own? Or with a name already in its portfolio?
We should know in late May.
For those of you who don’t remember, Microsoft got off to a somewhat embarrassing start with the initial release of the Xbox console back in 2001 by not even owning the trademark to Xbox.  Although it eventually acquired the mark, Microsoft, like many big companies and their worst kept secrets, has often failed to secure the domain name ahead of time before the product was announced or launched. Halo 4 and Kinect.com are just two examples.
Currently, XboxFusion.com redirects visitors to Xbox.com, while XboxNext and XboxGold redirect users to Bing.

PLAYSTATION WONDERFUL!

[maxy]

Another stupid rumor

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=553288

I run a small Xbox fansite in Italy and yesterday a source who already proved to have rieliable infos in the past contacted me with an interesting tip.

He talked with an high level manager of a big entertainment distributor in Italy, who told him that they are already laying down their marketing plans for holiday 2013 and they are counting only on PS4 to launch this year. It is unclear if this is only true for Italy/Europe or it's a global problem, but my source was told that Microsoft is having problems with Blu-ray licensing for movie playback, it seems due to some kind of very long timed exclusive Sony put in place for the console market when the brd standard was created.

I've got no idea how much realistic this brd licensing thing could be: I believe the standard is almost 10 years old now, and even if some sort of exclusive was in place, 10 years would be e very, very lengthy period for an exclusive. On the other side, if this was true would MS be willing to pospone a very important launch for such an issue? I don't know. And, frankly, I hope this rumor to be bullshit: I'm hoping for the console to come out this year. However, as I said, the guy who contacted me proved to be quite reliable and in-the-know in the past, so I thought it deserved to be discussed.


Shameless plug: this is our story about the rumor EDIT: link removed, looks like it's aginst the TOS
http://www.mondoxbox.com/news/38477/rumor-la-prossima-xbox-arriva-nel-2014-a-causa-di-problemi-con-la-licenza-blu-ray.html

Edit - just to clarify: the part about the company marketing expecting to have only PS4 this holiday looks like to be the more reliable information. The Blu-ray stuff could simply be their manager's educated guess, I don't know this for sure.

I blame Lager.

[Powerslave]

I saw a pre-order box with 'PS4... expecting late 2013' in a toy store yesterday.

PS4 has a high chance of launching this year in Europe. That's actually my biggest fear when it comes to anticipating negative Sony news.. if they will again purposely neglect us, Europe, as a priority or not? I'd get sooo mad.

[maxy]

My expectations

PS4--NA,Europe in fall 2013
Rango--NA fall 2013,Europe early 2014(March)

[Purple Filth]

My expectations

PS4--NA,Europe in fall 2013
Rango--NA fall 2013,Europe early 2014(March)

if true its crazy how these two flipped their speculative dates compared to earlier in the year

[Trent Dole]

We have a PS4 reservation sku with the date of 11/15, not that that's anything besides an obvious guess, of course the machines will be out before black Friday in the states.

[maxy]

Originally Posted by @thurrott:

By the way, I did screw up one thing: The $299 version of Xbox v.Next will come with a $15/mo XBLG subscription, not $10. Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by @tomwarren:

@thurrott yup, and that sub includes family.

[Don Flamenco]

sub model might be kinda dumb for a game console like it is for MMOs...

[Eel O'Brian]

At that price, yeah. Can't really break the $9.99 point without inviting a lot of "WTF am I really paying for, here?"

[huckleberry]

Who give a fuck about the subsidized model anyway? If you dont have the money for Durango and Live up front then you pay a little more over a couple of years. If you do have the money then buy and keep getting Live like you always have....wtf is wrong with people

[cool breeze]

Other rumored price was $500 (right?) + 2 year of live  ($120) = $620.  $300 + $360 ($15x24months) = $660.  I guess it depends on the terms and all, and if you're a gold subscriber, and other stuff.

Microsoft can advertise it as $300*.  If we pretend the PS4 will 'only' be $500 and Wii U doesn't drop from $300/$350, it might seem like a value.

[huckleberry]

I am just hoping the rumor is true about Gold covering the console and not just one account. I was paying for 4 accounts.

[magus]

Other rumored price was $500 (right?) + 2 year of live  ($120) = $620.  $300 + $360 ($15x24months) = $660.  I guess it depends on the terms and all, and if you're a gold subscriber, and other stuff.

Microsoft can advertise it as $300*.  If we pretend the PS4 will 'only' be $500 and Wii U doesn't drop from $300/$350, it might seem like a value.

man why are these console so expensive,back in 2006 one of the reason i bought a wii was because i could actualy afford one,it's been 7 years and they still haven't learned a single fucking thing
guess i'll buy a ps4 in 2020 tough by that point i might be dead already,but somehow the idea of not having to go trough FF15 (also not FFVS13) put my minds at ease

[Don Flamenco]

At that price, yeah. Can't really break the $9.99 point without inviting a lot of "WTF am I really paying for, here?"

i think mine ran out last month or it's running out this month.   wanted to get another 360 just as a fighting game box, but XBL gold is preventing me from doing that.  so, they miss out on a system sale and all the goodies that come from an idiot impulse buyer like me.  PSN might function worse overall, but they've got the right idea making it free.   I've probably owned both systems for roughly the same amount of time, but my PSN content is probably double my XBL stuff.   There's a lot more to buy on PSN, but PS+ being a value service instead of a basic functionality service really gets me to spend too much dang money. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.

[pilonv1]

And less choices

[maxy]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/2/4292676/microsoft-surface-next-gen-rumor-june

Microsoft has long been rumored to be working on a 7-inch version of its Surface tablet, but a new report suggests the company may be preparing to unveil it in June. DigiTimes claims that second-generation Surface devices, with 7- to 9-inch displays, will be announced at Microsoft's Build developer conference in late June. If the report is accurate, then it suggests Microsoft may be preparing more than one Surface device.

An Xbox Surface device emerged shortly before Microsoft's official Surface tablet announcement last year, and we understand the Xbox and Surface teams have been working closely on the company's 7-inch plans. Microsoft is expected to launch a 7-inch Surface-branded tablet, with the company recently changing its Windows 8 tablet specifications to support smaller screen sizes. Microsoft has confirmed it's working closely with OEMs to bring cheaper and smaller Windows tablets to market. A leaked 8-inch Acer tablet suggests these types of devices are imminent.

Microsoft's Build conference will focus on its Windows 8.1 upgrade and the improvements for 7- and 8-inch tablets, we understand. It also follows shortly after Intel's planned Haswell launch on June 3rd and the annual Computex event where OEMs typically announce devices. Intel's new Haswell chips are designed to improve battery life and graphics performance, and The Verge understands Microsoft will continue to update its Surface Pro with the latest Intel chipsets.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006

That's what credit cards are for

[huckleberry]

ahh the golden years where consoles launched at dirt cheap prices and games were practically free.




a smaller surface pro would be awesome.  The leaked Iconia W3-810 lookes pretty sweet - except its 32 bit windows...maybe not that big of a deal i guess.

[Positive Touch]

two controllers and a free game or two all in the box...truly those were blessed times

[Cerveza mas fina]

yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006

If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.

299 would be too much for the unemployed.

[magus]

Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.

it's too expensive for me and i'm not a tech head so i don't care about how pretty they can make the graphics,i don't understand why somebody can't announce a console for dirty peasant at 150/200$ for once

i was hoping for the ouya to be that but apparently it sucks so...

of course it's not like i was expecting cutting edge ps4 and 720 to be cheap but that price really seems close to the "FIFTY HUNDRED NINTY NINE DOLLARS!" of ps3 launch fame

and i know the 3ds is cheap,but it's not a home console and it became cheap after it bombed like mad at 250$

[Human Snorenado]

yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006

If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.

299 would be too much for the unemployed.

This is why you stay on ignore

[Human Snorenado]

Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.

it's too expensive for me and i'm not a tech head so i don't care about how pretty they can make the graphics,i don't understand why somebody can't announce a console for dirty peasant at 150/200$ for once

i was hoping for the ouya to be that but apparently it sucks so...

and i know the 3ds is cheap,but it's not a home console and it became cheap after it bombed like mad at 250$

This is why you should be on ignore

[Rufus]

If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.

299 would be too much for the unemployed.

Smartphones are eating up whatever disposable income people budget for expensive electronics.
I don't know about abroad, but in Germany the low-wage sector has massively expanded in the last decade. Wages have stagnated and retail isn't doing so hot because domestic demand is somehow, mysteriously, despite claims to the contrary by the media, waning.

[Cerveza mas fina]

You might be right about that rufus, 50 a month for a phone plan plus an extra 200 to get that iphone etc. Smartphones didnt really blow up till 2008/2010.

These consoles will be launching to all time high unemployment rates in Europe too. Esp in the youth demographic which they target.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Youth unemployment is at 23% in the eu ( up to 25 years) and in some countries like spain and greece its 56%.

[Don Flamenco]

pretty up there in the U.S. as well, but all it takes is the right credit card company to accept you.   

[maxy]

saw this on gaf

Sega unveils new Dreamcast game console

By CNN Interactive Producer Dave Ragals

May 21, 1998
Web posted at: 1:38 PM EDT (1338 GMT)

(CNN) -- Sega, which recently pulled its Saturn 32-bit game console off store shelves in North America, today announced details of its next generation console, which it vows will become the number one game platform, with more than 50 percent of the console game market in the near future.

The machine, called Dreamcast, will feature a 128-bit processor, compared to the the 64-bit Nintendo 64 and the 32-bit Sony PlayStation, the current market-leader. It'll be able to create more than 3 million polygons per second with 64 channels of sound.

It will also come with built-in network capabilities for multi-player gaming.

"Dreamcast will combine all the best features of console, PC and Internet gaming," Bernard Stolar, president and CEO of Sega of America, said today at a press conference.

In addition to improving performance, Dreamcast will include several new features -- like a removable memory card that doubles as the world's smallest portable game. When plugged into a Dreamcast controller, the Visual Memory System will let gamers secretly set up plays in sports titles or plan secret attacks in role-playing games, or it can be used as a stand-alone game machine about the size of a business card.

"We had two design goals in creating Dreamcast -- to create a seamless integration of high-performance components and to develop a flexible architecture that can take advantage of future technical developments and new entertainment concepts," said Stolar.

Dreamcast is the result of partnerships with Microsoft, which is providing a customized version of its Windows CE operating software, and several hardware makers. It will run on an adapted version of Hitachi's SH4 RISC chip, an NEC graphics engine and a Yamaha real-time 3D audio chip.

Dreamcast is scheduled to be released in Japan on November 20, and in North America in the fall of 1999.

 


/back then I didnt give much shit about videogames,was too busy chasing hot girls

[Don Flamenco]

What are the chances?!   

oh...1/365 are the chances.

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=554308 for the entire premise.
tl;dr New Xbox = Dreamcast, because May 21.  This is where I would post that 1UP article but I can't be bothered.

 

[maxy]

 

[huckleberry]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/

Should single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.

It won't.

According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).

While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.

Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.

Guess that settles that.

[ferrarimanf355]

Dammit Ardeo. 

[Trent Dole]

I'd say well that's no fun but really it means Durango isn't off the table sometime down the road.  :lenowned

[Rufus]

I'm still going to buy a graphics card instead, but this is good news I suppose.

[Phoenix Dark]

People have more disposible income now based on how much is spent on yearly smart phone updates, Kindle, tablets, etc. The question is moreso whether those people are interested in a gaming system. They already have devices and services that do everything, Comcast Triple Play etc.

Gaming is dominated by young men with money to waste, and I'd imagine many will jump on board the next gen; especially as their friends start playing next gen CoD more than the 360 version. To me personally $500 is money I could think of better things to spend on, like upgrading my PC. But I know plenty of guys who started saving for the next Xbox last year; from guys with good jobs in finance to cashiers to unemployed students. Ironically they all now plan in getting a PS4 instead haha, but perhaps MS' clarification on "always online" will bring them back.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Dont even know if I will jump in at launch. I have loads of games left to play on steam, lots of stuff I havent even purchased yet or that is still not out (grim dawn,  shadowrun, southpark) that I can play on my laptop... I play like 7/10 hours a week max so im good to go for ages.

The idea of spending 400/500 on a console and then 60 on a game, i dont know if thats me anymore. Maybe a year or two into the gen.

[maxy]

Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.

The idea of spending 400/500 on a console and then 60 on a game, i dont know if thats me anymore. Maybe a year or two into the gen.

 

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Yeah,I love Jackie Chan

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[Cerveza mas fina]

Well I meant to say its a fair market price

[Don Flamenco]

Dont even know if I will jump in at launch. I have loads of games left to play on steam, lots of stuff I havent even purchased yet or that is still not out (grim dawn,  shadowrun, southpark) that I can play on my laptop... I play like 7/10 hours a week max so im good to go for ages.

The idea of spending 400/500 on a console and then 60 on a game, i dont know if thats me anymore. Maybe a year or two into the gen.

yeah, this is the least hype i've been for a new gen.   I kinda stopped getting hype for launch electronics/software at all. 

[huckleberry]

the goddam salt flowing at gaf is filling me up with pure joy.



 




 

[Don Flamenco]

[Stoney Mason]

the goddam salt flowing at gaf is filling me up with pure joy.

It's gonna flow when people fill their entire free time with hating or loving a console at every step. In this case before its even been detailed and shown.

[mjemirzian]

Why are people so angry over video games? Oh well, back to enjoying my video game.

[Don Flamenco]

Why are people so angry over video games? Oh well, back to enjoying my video game.

whenever I've asked, the justification is that they want to see the console they own (or plan to own) win so it can get exclusives and more games...which doesn't really apply that well in 2013. 

[Positive Touch]

If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.

european education system :'(

[Rahxephon91]

Edit-sorry wrong thread.

[Raban]

Kosmanomics rolls off the tongue better

[Cormacaroni]

People have more disposible income now based on how much is spent on yearly smart phone updates, Kindle, tablets, etc. The question is moreso whether those people are interested in a gaming system. They already have devices and services that do everything, Comcast Triple Play etc.

Gaming is dominated by young men with money to waste, and I'd imagine many will jump on board the next gen; especially as their friends start playing next gen CoD more than the 360 version. To me personally $500 is money I could think of better things to spend on, like upgrading my PC. But I know plenty of guys who started saving for the next Xbox last year; from guys with good jobs in finance to cashiers to unemployed students. Ironically they all now plan in getting a PS4 instead haha, but perhaps MS' clarification on "always online" will bring them back.

But those smart phones and tablets are replacing dumb phones, iPods, dedicated portable gaming devices, cameras and PC updates. More money has not magically been created

[radioheadrule83]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/

Should single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.

It won't.

According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).

While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.

Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.

Guess that settles that.

This is the first bit of news that has made me wish I wasn't banned at GAF... I would be rubbing this in so many of their dumb fucking interweb virtual faces. I can't accurately convey how tired of reading the melodramatics of functionally distinguished mentally-challenged aspies and wind-up merchants I have become, and I'm now not able to revel in some of the first bits of news that clearly shatters the illusion that they have any meaningful insider knowledge and in fact shows them to be a piss-poor shower of dim witted, self important, over-reactionary cunts.

[Cormacaroni]

why go to GAF? Just dig back in this thread for doomsaying from 95% of posters

[Smooth Groove]

Jfags have been calling the Xbox dead since day 1 but look who's still standing

[Huff]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/

Should single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.

It won't.

According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).

While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.

Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.

Guess that settles that.

This is the first bit of news that has made me wish I wasn't banned at GAF... I would be rubbing this in so many of their dumb fucking interweb virtual faces. I can't accurately convey how tired of reading the melodramatics of functionally distinguished mentally-challenged aspies and wind-up merchants I have become, and I'm now not able to revel in some of the first bits of news that clearly shatters the illusion that they have any meaningful insider knowledge and in fact shows them to be a piss-poor shower of dim witted, self important, over-reactionary cunts.

 

[Himu]

I remember the day Xbox came out. Mups and I have a friend called Ruben and he got one. I was going from math class when he saw me, pointed and said,"YOU WERE WRONG, HIMURO. YOU WERE WRONG." "About what? The Xbox?" "EVERYTHING."

My life story.

[Phoenix Dark]

People have more disposible income now based on how much is spent on yearly smart phone updates, Kindle, tablets, etc. The question is moreso whether those people are interested in a gaming system. They already have devices and services that do everything, Comcast Triple Play etc.

Gaming is dominated by young men with money to waste, and I'd imagine many will jump on board the next gen; especially as their friends start playing next gen CoD more than the 360 version. To me personally $500 is money I could think of better things to spend on, like upgrading my PC. But I know plenty of guys who started saving for the next Xbox last year; from guys with good jobs in finance to cashiers to unemployed students. Ironically they all now plan in getting a PS4 instead haha, but perhaps MS' clarification on "always online" will bring them back.

But those smart phones and tablets are replacing dumb phones, iPods, dedicated portable gaming devices, cameras and PC updates. More money has not magically been created

But a lot of these people are replacing smart phones with smart phones (with little actual difference between them), one tablet for another, etc; lots of disposable income is being thrown around on tech "upgrades" yearly. If the Durango is truly a well done all-in-one box, maybe it'll transcend just being a system young men and parents purchase.

[Human Snorenado]

Jfags have been calling the Xbox dead since day 1 but look who's still standing

hey now, i'm not calling the xbox in particular dead

i'm calling the entire traditional console industry dead

And a fine funeral it will be, complete with me pissing drunkenly on the coffin and trying to fuck the widow