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[tiesto]

I saw NPD came out and the numbers are 

Dragon's Dogma was a nuclear bomb, max payne did seem to do well, and hardware are low across the board with Vita about 56k at most.


The only winner seemed to be Diablo 3 since it was number one on the list.

rough numbers stolen from GAF

360: 160K
PS3: 124K
3DS: 113.5K
Wii: 71K
PSV: >50K, <56.8K

 

It's like 1983 all over again 
A song to celebrate:

[Great Rumbler]

The home console market is pretty much saturated at this point, and no one cares about handhelds anymore.

[choco parfait]

People are just fatigued on this generation of consoles. Next gen is what's needed to infuse excitement into console purchases again. Price drops and new bundles probably won't cut it anymore.

Vita doing poorly is expected. I'm just glad Sony was crazy/blind enough to pump so much power into a portable console, one last time. It was the best eulogy to portable console gaming that one could give.

Max Payne 3 selling under expectations is not surprising if you look at the first two. People just expected more because of dat Rockstar touch, but the series it of itself was never that big to begin with. (But at least it did better than Alan Wake  Remedy)

Dragon's Dogma doing less than 100K is the greatest tragedy of this month's NPD, imo. It's a great game, and did so well in Japan that I was ever so hopeful... And in comparison to how well ORC did, it's only going to reinforce the message to Capcom that no one wants to give them: please continue to rehash good-selling franchises instead of attempting to ever make new ones.

[Joe Molotov]

The videogame fad has had a good run.

[cool breeze]

There'll be a burgeoning market for choose your own adventure books soon to fill the void.

Halo 5 Foreword - 800 MS Points
Gamestop pre-order bonus: Cortana bookmark

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

At this point in previous generations, most consoles are $99-149.  I believe Microsoft and Sony have effectively tapped the $200 and up wells dry.  Considering how neither the 720 and PS4 are coming out until late 2013, they might want to release a $149-199 SKU for this holiday to see if they can try to jumpstart it.

[Stoney Mason]

They should have dropped prices on these consoles a long time ago. And Kinect tricked ms into thinking they had the new wii. That fad is over.

[Great Rumbler]

Look at the console numbers in North America from the last generation compared to this generation so far:

PS2 - 55 million
Gamecube - 13 million
Xbox - 15 million
Total - 83 million

PS3 - 23 million
Xbox - 37 million
Wii - 43 million
Total - 103 million

There's just nobody left to sell to at this point, especially at the price that the PS3 and Xbox360 are still selling at.

[cool breeze]

They should have dropped prices on these consoles a long time ago. And Kinect tricked ms into thinking they had the new wii. That fad is over.

yeah, with the talk of price drops, it's worth noting that the cheapest 360 is still $200.  If families are getting it for Kinect, that's bumped to $300, and if you want the hard drive to enable media functions, that's an additional hundred at $400.  The complete "Xbox 360 Experience" Microsoft sells is at $400.

PS3 is just as much, only move is an utter failure and no one's gonna want the bundle with it. [edit: $350 with move and camera]

Does NPD even track the different PS3 and 360 SKUs?

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

this is the first month with Wal-Mart reporting, right?  So the numbers, whatever they are, should be more accurate now then ever.

[tiesto]

We're headed for:

[chronovore]

There'll be a burgeoning market for choose your own adventure books soon to fill the void.

Halo 5 Foreword - 800 MS Points
Gamestop pre-order bonus: print-at-home Cortana bookmark PDF

Fixed.

[Fortus]

Dragon's Bomba did 92k.

Poor Fortus :'(

Heh. I don't own Capcom stock and I'll easily clock several hundred hours total in this game (first playthrough took 114 hours according to the game at the end). Only downside for me is that we might not get a more polished sequel because of the sales. OTOH after seeing how Bioware "evolved" Dragon Age with DA2 maybe a sequel isn't something to be missed anyways.

[Mr. Gundam]

Dragon's Bomba did 92k.

Poor Fortus :'(

It's on track for 500k in Japan, though. Still way short of that 2 million mark they were aiming for.

[Sho Nuff]

Wasn't it reported that DD was Capcom's most expensive game to date?

[Mr. Gundam]

Wasn't it reported that DD was Capcom's most expensive game to date?

Yep.

[Bebpo]

Wasn't it reported that DD was Capcom's most expensive game to date?

It locked up their entire internal staff for like 4 years, which forced them to outsource every other game to western developers.

[Mr. Gundam]

Wasn't it reported that DD was Capcom's most expensive game to date?

It locked up their entire internal staff for like 4 years, which forced them to outsource every other game to western developers.

Wow. That explains a lot.

[Takao]

I think we will see sequels/spinoffs for Dragon's Dogma simply as an attempt to recoup costs.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

Isn't RE6 being done internally as well?  And with a ginormous staff count behind it?

[Bebpo]

I thought there was a rumor that it's being co-developed with another (western) studio.  But yeah I think the RE team stays the RE team and was not a part of the DD production.

[Joe Molotov]

Wasn't it reported that DD was Capcom's most expensive game to date?

It locked up their entire internal staff for like 4 years, which forced them to outsource every other game to western developers.

Double-ouch, considering most of their western games bombed too.

[Huff]

Hey oscar, any hint about how bad starhawk did?

[Takao]

Stores up here are selling bundles of Max Payne 3 and GTA IV: Complete for $40. Clearly Max Payne 3 sold amazingly well.

[Momo]

Hey oscar, any hint about how bad starhawk did?

Presser :

SCEA
  According to the May NPD report, exclusive PlayStation 3 titles again posted strong results with MLB12: The Show and Starhawk. PlayStation also continues to experience accelerated digital sales growth for the PS3 and PS Vita platforms. As demonstrated at E3 last week, our commitment to gamers is stronger than ever with upcoming 2013 PS3 exclusive titles, including Beyond: Two Souls, God of War: Ascension and The Last of Us, as well as PS Vita titles PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale and Assassin's Creed III: Liberation which will continue PlayStation's momentum into the new year.

i.e. sub 200k (i speculate)

[Eel O'Brian]

kinda figured starhawk would tank, i was in the beta and remember thinking that there was too much going on

they overcomplicated it with the building function - all they really needed to do was take the old warhawk, pretty it up with new maps, and add the mechs

[Stoney Mason]

Starhawk was never gonna be mass appeal. I would have made it free to play and experimented with that model on the ps3.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

a 60 buck Starhawk never had a chance.  A 30 dollar PSN/Retail presence might have done okay.  I mean, shit, Warhawk came out years ago at a discount or fuller priced with a headset, what chance did this have?

[Joe Molotov]

Playstation Morte

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-21-stock-ticker-why-eas-market-valuation-has-crashed?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=us-daily

[Joe Molotov]

TL;DR, but I assume it's because they didn't support the Wii enough.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

TL;DR, but I assume it's because they didn't support the Wii enough.

Yep.  I hope they fucking fail.

[EmCeeGrammar]

EA actually did support Wii with some lower caliber stuff like Boomblox.  Some of their sports stuff was a decent effort (at first), too.  It was just that EA's business is all about selling big and they didn't know how to reach critical mass with their wii products until ... EA sports fitness?  It just wasn't a match for their current business model.  I would argue Activision did mostly the same strategy and it ... kinda did work out better for them.  Then again they put Guitar Hero on the system during Wii's intial craze and consistently released their bigger multiplats on a somewhat consistent basis. 

[AdmiralViscen]

I thought boom blox was the high caliber SPIELBERG GAME THAT WILL CONVERGE GAMING AND NONGAMING

[EmCeeGrammar]

That was lmno and it got cancelled.

[DCharlieJP]

I think we will see sequels/spinoffs for Dragon's Dogma simply as an attempt to recoup costs.

if we don't see that system used for Monster Hunter on -some- platform then someone needs to go around and slap someone.

[Momo]

And yes it's capcom, reuse is kinda their thing

[Takao]

Yeah, that 3DS Lost Planet spinoff is probably built on MML3's engine, lol.

[Great Rumbler]

So what happened with Dragon's Dogma bombing so hard in North America? Was it just terrible marketing on Capcom's part? Also, it kinda seems like maybe Capcom didn't ship that many copies to begin with, anybody hear anything along those lines?

[EmCeeGrammar]

Its a bad time to do new ip in 60 dollah boxed retail.

[pilonv1]

I wouldn't have release it a month either side of Diablo III to start with.

[Great Rumbler]

But I thought America loved generic fantasy? The success of The Elder Scrolls series and A Game of Thrones certainly had me fooled, then!

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[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

speaking of Game of Thrones, could Oscar confirm if Atlus is taking a bath on this or not?  At least so far.  Relatively speaking, as vaguely as possible of course.  I'm sure its kicking Risen 2's ass, but if its anywhere near The Witcher 2's 360 release then they got reason to celebrate.

and yes, Max Payne 3, DD, and every other May release really should have been reconsidered.

[AdmiralViscen]

Is it any good?

[Oblivion]

So I typed in a sales related question on the Google, and one of the first results I got a link to vgchartz. Noticed that it was plastered with ads, and it made me curious about something, and wouldn't you know it:

http://www.alexa.com/search?q=vgchartz.com&r=home_home&p=bigtop

Seems that distinguished black fellow ioi's been doing pretty well for himself after he got banned from gaf. And for a website that literally made up numbers, he seems to be doing exceptionally well (about as many registered users on his forums as are on gaf).

[Huff]

Is it any good?

metacritic is around a 50. I don't know anyone that's actually played it

@Oblivion are you suggesting borechartz should be created?

[Oblivion]

@Oblivion are you suggesting borechartz should be created?

[Sho Nuff]

Is it any good?

metacritic is around a 50. I don't know anyone that's actually played it

@Oblivion are you suggesting borechartz should be created?

DO IT

Btw I have no idea how vgchartz continues to exist. I used to have an NPD subscription and I'd look at both numbers just for laughs. Vgchartz was off by so much that it was absurd -- they'd say a title had sold 50k when it had actually done 3,500.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Is it any good?

metacritic is around a 50. I don't know anyone that's actually played it

@Oblivion are you suggesting borechartz should be created?

DO IT

Btw I have no idea how vgchartz continues to exist. I used to have an NPD subscription and I'd look at both numbers just for laughs. Vgchartz was off by so much that it was absurd -- they'd say a title had sold 50k when it had actually done 3,500.

vgchartz has Lollipop Chainsaw pulling in 160,000 in the US right now.

USA Top Sellers 16th June 2012
1   X360   Lollipop Chainsaw   86,646
2   PS3   Lollipop Chainsaw   73,960

[Oblivion]

Also, hasn't the NPD group threatened legal action against vgchartz more than a few times?

[Mr. Gundam]

What does VGChartz base their estimations on?

[tiesto]

I've never seen the show but I've heard tons of people talk about it, so I'm surprised that the Game of Thrones game is bombing so hard. Would have probably been better if it was developed by their Japanese team aside from some random western team, the actual game looked like your shitty generic westaboo RPG.

[Great Rumbler]

What does VGChartz base their estimations on?

Calling the local Gamestop and Wal-Mart and asking how many copies of games/systems are sold. Then multiplying those numbers by the number of Gamestops and Wal-Marts in the country.

[Huff]

What does VGChartz base their estimations on?

Calling the local Gamestop and Wal-Mart and asking how many copies of games/systems are sold. Then multiplying those numbers by the number of Gamestops and Wal-Marts in the country.

That seems like a decent amount of work for subpar results.

Borechartz should just totally make up all numbers. Oscar can only help if his little one guesses instead of him

[Oblivion]

Isn't even that giving ioi too much credit?

I'm 99% sure someone said that he takes NPD numbers and just adds 15% or some weird arbitrary number.

[Joe Molotov]

Isn't even that giving ioi too much credit?

I'm 99% sure someone said that he takes NPD numbers and just adds 15% or some weird arbitrary number.

That's only after NPD releases their numbers. First he makes up his BS numbers, then he goes back and "adjusts" them once he gets NPD numbers.

[Momo]

The numbers aren't really hard to model statistically. The problem is getting enough data sources to lower your error delta to a point where your numbers are actually use-able.

[pilonv1]

Isn't even that giving ioi too much credit?

I'm 99% sure someone said that he takes NPD numbers and just adds 15% or some weird arbitrary number.

That's only after NPD releases their numbers. First he makes up his BS numbers, then he goes back and "adjusts" them once he gets NPD numbers.

I don't even think he does that now. Just picked a random one

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-15-max-payne-3-sold-440-000-units-in-us-launch-month

Sales of Rockstar and Take-Two's Max Payne 3 in its US launch month were 440,000 units, according to data from the NPD Grou

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/32878/max-payne-3/USA/

360

Week Ending   Week   Weekly   Change   Total
19th May 2012   1   251,009   N/A   251,009
26th May 2012   2   85,616   -65.9%   336,625
02nd June 2012   3   64,342   -24.8%   400,967

PS3

Week Ending   Week   Weekly   Change   Total
19th May 2012   1   127,665   N/A   127,665
26th May 2012   2   53,141   -58.4%   180,806
02nd June 2012   3   33,054   -37.8%   213,860

So 440k, versus 613k. Pretty close if you ask me

I wouldn't even want to look at how out games are after 6 months. Or the fact there's no value attached to anything, probably because when your estimation is out by hundreds of thousands of units god knows how much further you'll be out estimating average pricing.

[Joe Molotov]

It was funny how for a while, you'd see IGN and Kotaku and places quoting VGChartz numbers all the time. They don't still do that, do they?

[pilonv1]

Just Forbes

http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2012/05/25/bloody-hypocrite-schillings-38-studios-fires-413/2/