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Yeah himuro.

You should download it just to experience where gaming is going.

You want to upgrade your engine? Please wait 5 min. I also have a feeling these timers will go up and up the further you get.

Have you ever played Eve Online? I tried it out and you get these kind of timers that can be days (yes DAYS) AND on top of that you have a monthly fee.

I feel like this kind of gameplay is really cynical and praying on the weak.

[Stoney Mason]

Yeah I disagree.


There is of course a money thing going on here but what you are really seeing is the divide between how people play games. Traditional gamers sit down for hours and play the same game for extended time. And there is a new generation that simply doesn't do that anymore. Gaming is something they do in burst or between things. So playing on their phone or ipad is something they bounce around with. And for them the ability to play it free is worth the bursting style gameplay that these timers introduce. I totally understand why traditional hardcore gamers don't like it. But its not going anywhere for certain section of the market especially ipad and iphone. The system is nothing new. Iphone and ipad games have been doing this for a long time now. What seems to have happened is here is a game with traditional hardcore appeal doing it.

[tiesto]

a forum is a colossal waste of time for all involved.

Correct.

Just out of curiosity, care to show any examples in the CliffyB thread?  Looks like volpone got nailed in there for voicing an anti-GAF view but I could have missed something.

I dunno, haven't looked at the thread. I don't feel like wading through that shit.

Badly behaving, power tripping hypocrite mods seem to gather wherever RPGs are discussed, or they seem to be primarily fans of RPGs. Just an observation.

Maybe western RPGs (though that guy Minsc is cool and iirc he is named after a western RPG character), but for Japanese RPGs I haven't noticed. We have Aeana and that's about it... and she's no where near what you'd classify as a power tripping hypocrite.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah I disagree.


There is of course a money thing going on here but what you are really seeing is the divide between how people play games. Traditional gamers sit down for hours and play the same game for extended time. And there is a new generation that simply doesn't do that anymore. Gaming is something they do in burst or between things. So playing on their phone or ipad is something they bounce around with. And for them the ability to play it free is worth the bursting style gameplay that these timers introduce. I totally understand why traditional hardcore gamers don't like it. But its not going anywhere for certain section of the market especially ipad and iphone. The system is nothing new. Iphone and ipad games have been doing this for a long time now. What seems to have happened is here is a game with traditional hardcore appeal doing it.

Stoney, as I said in a previous post, its ok to play this game casual.

But to play this game for reals hardcore its a shit game.

I would much rather have two versions, one 9.99 with everything fucking normal as a normal game. And one freemium.

It is a beautiful game but those timers are insane.

Then again if you play casually I don't think its a huge deal. I did a few races in bed, upgrades where done while browsing bore, went to sleep.

[Himu]

um. the rpg loving mod crowd are pretty much gone. those were mostly dragona and scarlet. you have kev, but he's not TOO much of an rpg guy unless you're talking about final fantasy. duck USED to be a big rpg guy but he's kinda down and out with games lately if my personal convos with him are any indication. kagari doesn't give a shit about rpgs, she only cares about final fagasy. this leaves minsc, who's all about quality wrpgs and strategy rpgs, and Aeana, who's about rpgs in general.

Neither minsc nor aeana are power tripping hypocrites.

[Stoney Mason]

I would much rather have two versions, one 9.99 with everything fucking normal as a normal game. And one freemium.

I would as well but then how you monetize the freeium version becomes more difficult. The economy of the ios market has never been very balanced or well thought out. It's a free for all which drives down the price for everything. So while as a gamer I agree. I also understand the especially difficult position all these guys are in. 

[Great Rumbler]

I absolutely hate the idea of having to spend real money on every little thing in a game after I purchase it [or even get it for free]. I want to spend a one-time amount and then have access to everything the game has to offer.

[Mr. Gundam]

I absolutely hate the idea of having to spend real money on every little thing in a game after I purchase it [or even get it for free]. I want to spend a one-time amount and then have access to everything the game has to offer.

Same here. This is also why I don't play MMOs.

[mjemirzian]

Yeah, because that's TOTALLY comparable! You can't see it, but I'm rolling my eyes at you.

Aw I just thought it was a funny pic. Chill out bro.

I forgot the name of the mod I was thinking of on gaf. Wasn't any of those guys. I was actually thinking of another forum entirely.

[Stoney Mason]

I absolutely hate the idea of having to spend real money on every little thing in a game after I purchase it [or even get it for free]. I want to spend a one-time amount and then have access to everything the game has to offer.

And I think plenty of hardcore gamers are like that if not all. The problem is that model works far less well on mobile platforms. But even something as popular as League of Legends doesn't offer everything for one cheap price even though it doesn't have an energy system like most mobile titles do.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Yeah, because that's TOTALLY comparable! You can't see it, but I'm rolling my eyes at you.

Aw I just thought it was a funny pic. Chill out bro.

I forgot the name of the mod I was thinking of on gaf. Wasn't any of those guys. I was actually thinking of another forum entirely.

nothing VG Cats has ever done has ever been funny. EVER.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I absolutely hate the idea of having to spend real money on every little thing in a game after I purchase it [or even get it for free]. I want to spend a one-time amount and then have access to everything the game has to offer.

And I think plenty of hardcore gamers are like that if not all. The problem is that model works far less well on mobile platforms. But even something as popular as League of Legends doesn't offer everything for one cheap price even though it doesn't have an energy system like most mobile titles do.

I think that is different because in things like Dota or Lol you have access to the full game, your are just paying for fluff.

I understand it's hard on mobile, but there are plenty of games that offer two versions.

[Rahxephon91]

http://kotaku.com/5987864/nickels-dimes-and-quarters

Cliffy B getting real.

[Stoney Mason]

The reality is when I tell somebody I know who isn't a gamer that they should try out some mobile title if its costs anything there is no way they will actually download it. If its free they may download it. That is the reality you are working with on that platform.

[Great Rumbler]

The reality is when I tell somebody I know who isn't a gamer that they should try out some mobile title if its costs anything there is no way they will actually download it. If its free they may download it. That is the reality you are working with on that platform.

Mobile is worse than 5 Hitlers.

[Pringo]

http://gamasutra.com/view/news/187605/A_theory_behind_Januarys_weak_Wii_U_sales.php#.UTErflerXYM

Apparently the January US Wii U sales may not have been quite as bad as first thought.

[pilonv1]

Only a fool would believe that

And even if it was true, is 100,000 that much better?

[Shaka Khan]

Ho ho ho, that's the new "constrained shipments" excuse. I mean, sure, I'll believe second hand sellers returning their systems, but nearly 40k of them? That's a phenomenon.

 Unrelated: More people decided to return their Wii U's than Vita units old.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what's the difference between a fool and a Nintendo fan?

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even a fool is smart enough not to buy the Wii U

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but yeah, that article is some straight up next-gen Wal-scusin'

[Shaka Khan]

It's probably happening it Japan too.

[AdmiralViscen]

So it's a still-abysmal 100k sales with an even more abysmal 40% return rate?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what if Nintendo gave a lot of Wii U units away in contests and as gifts?

the numbers could be 20,000 higher than reported by NPD

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what if NPD only counts each Wii U sale as 0.5 because of its last-gen processor?

NPD could be as high as 200k

[Howard Alan Treesong]

what if NPD confused Wii U and Wii, like many consumers?

perhaps the "Wii" sales are really miscategorized "Wii U" sales

[pilonv1]

[Cerveza mas fina]

What if WiiUHut?

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Reviving the Walscuse...that's one of many signs that you know a console is fucked.

[Damian79]

“Activision didn’t expect much from Wii U sales of Black Ops 2, but they sure didn’t expect it to be that abysmal. Activision gave Wii U owners the best version of Blops 2 with Off TV features, and Nintendo fans didn’t support it. It’s easy for Nintendo fans to trash publishers for not giving them ports, but publishers have wisened up. They realize Nintendo fans are all talk. Nintendo fans are vocal with their mouths, but when it’s time to open their wallets, they’ll spend that $60 on New Super Mario Bros instead.”

http://calvinhalluncensored.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/activision-not-happy-with-blops-2-wii-u-software-sales/

How badly did blops bomb on the wiiu?

[Damian79]

Its 23000 and it went offline yesterday.

[Great Rumbler]

Its 23000 and it went offline yesterday.

[Shaka Khan]

What do you mean "it went offline"? Did they switch off the servers?!

[Positive Touch]

yep

HARDCORE GAMERZ

[Huff]

What do you mean "it went offline"? Did they switch off the servers?!

This seems pretty bad. And pretty shitty for those who actually bought the game. Sucks to be them i guess

[Stoney Mason]

They didn't take down the MP. There was some connectivity issues after an update but its supposedly been resolved.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/27/black-ops-2-wii-u-online-play-down/

[Damian79]

Well atleast the devs who made it are doing right by the people who bought it then.  :/

[Shaka Khan]

Serves me right for taking Derpian's word.

[etiolate]

Well if Skylanders under-performed then I imagine BLOPs would do a lot worse. Wii U doesn't have any audience established yet except diehard Nintendo fans and fools who buy every console. Nintendo fans don't want any bro games. They just want the bro games to sell so the third parties will give them titles that actually interest them.

[Damian79]

Serves me right for taking Derpian's word.

Was i wrong?  STFU.

[Cerveza mas fina]

They took BLOPS offline for WiiU?

This is really the nail in the coffin.

[archnemesis]

Old news. It's already up again.

[DCharlieJP]

Right now a variety of companies are employing psychologists to create traps in their games.  They are deliberately taking advantage of the weaknesses of the human mind to exploit people for more money than they can reasonably afford in many cases.  Psychologically speaking, stuff like Real Racing 3 is about half a stone's throw away from gambling.  If the industry thinks they're going to be able to make an industry of any serious size based on this stuff, I hope they're ready for government regulation, cuz it's going to come swift and hard sooner or later.  Japan's already gotten a taste of the blood in the water on this one.  I imagine others aren't far behind.

Quite a few jobs out there right now along these lines - applied for one at a non-game retail site - got rejected because I missed that I needed a Doctorate in Statistical Maths. Oops

[archie4208]

Oscar-sama do you know how badly the PC version of Sonic Racing Transformed flopped?  It's never in the top 100 Steam players list which usually tops off with a whopping 500 concurrent players. 

[Momo]

damn I didnt think it would bomb, but a late PC port in a genre that PC gamers aren't really used to .. if I typed this sentence out before hand I would have known. Still glad it's on PC

[Cerveza mas fina]

Old news. It's already up again.

Lager's brain is generally five to ten steps behind his mouth.

You should see the places where that gets your

[Damian79]

Your numbers were.

They were Decembers launch numbers, would have been less in January.  Regardless I didnt say when they were anyway, no one asked about that.

[Damian79]

I admit my post may have been a little misleading, but i will make sure to be a bit more verbose in future.  I just happen to be extremely lazy(one of the reasons i got banned at neogaf) which is like the bane of my existence.

[Phoenix Dark]

what if NPD confused Wii U and Wii, like many consumers?

perhaps the "Wii" sales are really miscategorized "Wii U" sales

Something tells me a GAFer will use this argument seriously in 3 months

[pilonv1]

No offense, but your whole post was at best misleading poop.  It would look better on you if you just admitted your error than these two "not my fault you didn't realize there was a bunch of critical info I left out for some reason which entirely changes what my post says" spin posts you've made.

Probably still closer than Chartzzz

[Sho Nuff]

A random number generator is better than VGChartzzzz.

I used to have full access to NPD and for giggles I'd occasionally spot-check between them and Chartz. The Chartz numbers were so far off (high AND low) that nobody should ever take them seriously.

[maxy]

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.jsp?c=p/software/uk/latest/index_test.jsp&ct=110032

Vita game in top 40,no WiiU

[maxy]

Another day,another sale
http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCABRE92304S20130304

"Japan’s Sony Corp. continues its financial restructuring plans and selling of unnecessary assets by announcing the sale of all of its shares, equal to a 13% stake, in the mobile game developer DeNA. Nomura Securities has already been named as the buyer, and will paying an estimated 40.9 billion yen (approx. $438 million).

As the 2012 fiscal year comes to a close at the end of this month, Sony will be recording the share sale as operating income in the fourth quarter, helping to boost the bottom line with the $438 million gain. A statement about the sale read “Sony is transforming its business portfolio and reorganizing its assets in an effort to strengthen its corporate structure. This sale is made as a part of that initiative.” The exact price of the 17,722,500 shares is to be revealed tomorrow, March 5th, while Sony expects the deal will be completed by March 7th."

[maxy]

http://gematsu.com/2013/03/sony-japan-president-ps-vita-sales-have-increased-four-fold

Sony Computer Entertainment Japan president Hiroshi Kawano has said during a One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2 presentation in Japan today that PlayStation Vita sales in the country have increased about four times the amount of units the platform was moving two weeks prior—before the system’s February 28 price drop.

Good or bad,you decide

[archnemesis]

It's good if they can sustain the higher sales going forward. Otherwise it's not going to make any difference.

[maxy]

Two weeks prior it sold about 10k.  So the price drop plus boob ninjas resulted in 40k for the week?  We'll have to see where it is in a few weeks.  Some pretty high profile software is rolling out alongside this price drop.

Some people on gaf claim he was misunderstood(mistranslated?),"he said 4 times the sales of the previous two weeks combined".Are they just making stuff up or not?

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130304_590334.html?ref=twitter

[Momo]

Whats boob ninjas? doa? I havent been paying attention

[MCD]

Joe's favorite game.

[Joe Molotov]

Senran Kagura

[Great Rumbler]

Joe's favorite anime.

Fixed.

[Joe Molotov]

The one girl's pupils are pink four-leaf clovers, how moe is that?

[bork]

SENRAN KAGURA!!

 

Engaging story mode:

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Stunning ninja action:

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Amazing game play that only the Vita can deliver:

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TITS ARE LIFE, ASS IS HOMETOWN

WRAP THE WORLD IN HAPPY BOOBS

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My copy is coming this week.   

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