Sales Bore | Media Create And Other Sale Numbers |OT|

[cool breeze]

I managed to click on a thread in between crashes.  People rolling with 3DS beating PS4? Nintendo Family is BACK.

uh, Mario came out in November, right?

Sounds like 3DS is under 800k, so less than PS4. That's not great for Nintendo given the 2DS sales, Zelda, and Pokemon.

yeah, sounds like people were going off "best selling console"

and Battlefield 4 must've sold quite well, and mostly on new consoles, no? I think it's an October release on PC/360/PS3.  Although they kinda wasted this opportunity if it's as broken as everyone says.

[Phoenix Dark]

3DS
November 2011 - 795k
November 2012 - 540k
November 2013 - 760k

Yea...Nintendo is in trouble.

[Himu]

Oh wow. I rectify my statement. Even after Pokemon and Zelda and the 2ds it's STILL under Nov 2011?

[Phoenix Dark]

[cool breeze]

NPD tracks black friday sales, right?  3DS had some great sales, too. $100 2DS, $150 XLs.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Joe Molotov]

No Mario, no Zelda

Too cold, people didn't want to leave their houses.

[Phoenix Dark]

WiiU with a 340% increase over October's numbers (50k), which would put November sales around 220k.

Shut it down.

[cool breeze]

sounds like Xbox One > everything Nintendo

[Phoenix Dark]

GameXplain

"Mario 3D World sold more than 215,000, both digital and retail"

Zelda: ALBW sold 280,000 digital and retail. If you count the hardware bundle, 405,000

GG

[Himu]

Any numbers to compare Zelda to Phantom Hourglass to see how it fared?

[Bebpo]

Pretty shit for Mario.  Ok for Zelda.

[nudemacusers]

WiiU with a 340% increase over October's numbers (50k), which would put November sales around 220k.

Shut it down.

someone made a point of 3.4x vs 4.4x; it would be hilarious if they were fudging their percentage.

[Human Snorenado]

WiiU with a 340% increase over October's numbers (50k), which would put November sales around 220k.

Shut it down.

[Takao]

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[Himu]

[brob]

[WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) {November 12, 2007} - 1,120,000
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World (Nintendo) {November 22, 2013} - 215,000


poor Charles Martinet

[Human Snorenado]

Guys, I found the Nintendo games on that list

[magus]

No Mario, no Zelda

No Pokemon.

    You guys are insane lol. Look on how many platforms those games on the Top 10 are.

You're right haha, there are a ton of platforms there. Just because Mario and Zelda aren't on there doesn't mean they sold poorly.

why did we remove this from the emoticon list?

[cool breeze]

so will Iwata be rewarded with another promotion?

and apparently Mario 3D World has the worst attach rate for a 3D Mario.  Even nintendo owners are tired of mario.  Then why did they buy a Wii U?

[Joe Molotov]

so will Iwata be rewarded with another promotion?

and apparently Mario 3D World has the worst attach rate for a 3D Mario.  Even nintendo owners are tired of mario.  Then why did they buy a Wii U?

They didn't have a choice, that's just what their parents bought for them.

[Himu]

so will Iwata be rewarded with another promotion?

and apparently Mario 3D World has the worst attach rate for a 3D Mario.  Even nintendo owners are tired of mario.  Then why did they buy a Wii U?

Watch Nintendo make a new Mario to respond to this news.

[Phoenix Dark]

so will Iwata be rewarded with another promotion?

and apparently Mario 3D World has the worst attach rate for a 3D Mario.  Even nintendo owners are tired of mario.  Then why did they buy a Wii U?

Watch Nintendo make a new Luigi to respond to this news.

Fixed.

[brob]

2014, The Year of the Toad

:prays

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

[nachobro]

Those Mario numbers...  :'( What's Wii U at lifetime in the US now?

[maxy]

sugar numbers

75k > Vita > Sep + Oct

The top 3 3DS SKUs > 100k

GOLD
2DS BLUE
2DS RED

[Eel O'Brian]

$179 Wii U - gamepad + mario kart pack in, Summer 2014

[Smooth Groove]

Bundle Vita and Wii U for $250

Two dead systems for the price of 1

[maxy]

Vita memry card ltd

8 - 360k
16 - 172k
32 - 167k

[pilonv1]

So basically it's just another month.

[Damian79]

Iwata should resign because of the comments he made in regards to the wii u and retiring, however why Miyamoto?  It isnt like Nintendo is in the red.

I'm not talking about resigning.  I'm talking about they're going to need new fucking jobs.  All Nintendo has left is the handheld market, and that's pretty much only healthy in Japan.  If the smartphone market continues to expand here the way it has in the last couple of years, they're not even going to have that anymore.

Sorry for late reply.  Is it really healthy in Japan?  Maybe it only looks that way because it is doing better than those other ones which are doing that much worse in Japan?  I mean in the US it sells around 400k average a month the same as Japan right?  What makes it better or worse than Japan?

[Bebpo]

The next-gen software thing is simply a point of too much competition (and here people said next-gen has no games).  CoD/BF4 are fighting each other and stealing all the thunder from any other FPS games like Killzone. 

What's interesting is that you would have thought XB having an exclusive FPS at launch would be a no brainer, since that's MS' audience.  Even X360 had PDZ and Condemned.  Yet, it turns out not having one was a smarter move because when you have CoD and BF, no one cares about a 3rd pillar FPS game.  It was smart saving Halo 5 as their year 1 game.  It'll do a lot better than The Order I think.

Then you have a dozen decent sellers all pulling the remaining sales from "purchase game #2 or #3" and you end up with everyone getting a little bite of the pie but no big hitters besides those.  ACIV was the 2nd buy or 3rd buy game for most people.


Also from the gaf thread:

Knack didn't break 100k (at retail...). Is selling better than internal expectations.

Ps4 was about 200k over xb1. Barely moved 100k the rest of the month after launch. Sacrificing huge NA lead for huge WW lead. Xb1 will win December

1)  Sad, but not surprised Knack didn't break 100k.  It really should've been a pack in/bundle in the US like it was in Europe.  People in the US don't buy games like Knack, especially when they get terrible reviews across the board.  Really surprised that it's selling better than internal expectations.  Why even make the game if you're only expecting 50-100k sales?  I guess WW numbers will save it and I really, really want a Knack 2 as it's a good original IP in a genre that Sony needs more of now that Ratchet is gone; maybe not though.  Could end up not selling enough to greenlight a sequel.  But then Gravity Daze is getting a sequel so who knows...

2)  December NPD is going to be a bloodbath.  I really don't know if this strategy by Sony is a good one.  US is so fiercely competitive, and so Xbox land, that giving them the lead early on seems incredibly risky since it could snowball where people buy XB as their next-gen system and then all their friends are on XB so they choose it too.  Sure it'll be nice to help build Sony's lead worldwide, but US is still the biggest market and one where they got beat down bad last gen.  I think they really need to get a lot of units back in the US in the next couple of months or risk people losing interest after the launch hype has gone.  If not, they better pump MILLIONS into marketing Infamous & Driveclub and then have a huge flourish of systems on shelfs along with those in the US to start moving the systems again.

My 2cents.

[Stoney Mason]

Sales pretty much as I expected. There was such pent up demand from the long generation that the new consoles would rocket out of the gate based solely on that.

Nintendo as far as a home console company is pretty much fucked in this country. They have the "kids" console, the least powerful console, the console without the third party support, the unhip console, and finally the console without a lifeline to connect them to the mainstream audience that the Wii leveraged. Game over for the Wii U at least as far as sales matter.

[AdmiralViscen]

Why didn't they release it in 2010?

[Stoney Mason]

Why didn't they release it in 2010?

Being on top of the console mountain seems to make each console company arrogant and lazy and think their current success is always going to last. Has happened to all of the big three at various times of their success. Only failure seems to make them hungry and open to change.

[Joe Molotov]

Why didn't they release it in 2010?

Being on top of the console mountain seems to make each console company arrogant and lazy and think their current success is always going to last. Has happened to all of the big three at various times of their success. Only failure seems to make them hungry and open to change.

Therefore, it's almost time for Desperate Nintendo, Wii U 2 wins the console war, QED.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

by that logic, the Dreamcast 2 is gonna kick sooooooo much ass.

[Takao]

Tearaway ~14k

i don't know how to respond

[Bebpo]

Tearaway ~14k

i don't know how to respond

Honestly?  That's better than I expected.  Not even spin.  I just expect Vita games to sell about 5 copies each, with 1 copy sold digitally to that one guy who has an all digital collection.

[Damian79]

by that logic, the Dreamcast 2 is gonna kick sooooooo much ass.

Are you implying that the original dreamcast had anything wrong with it?  There was nothing wrong with the original DC, it was just undermined by ps2 marketing by the likes of EB games etc.

[Himu]

No, it was hot on the heels of saturn and you had to be crazy to buy one until it was dead because there was no reason to trust sega (at the time).

[Shaka Khan]

Breakdown of EA's next gen software between the bone and PS4:

AC
1 - 30.95%
4 - 69.05%

NSF
1 - 16.71%
4 - 48.42%
360 - 17.77%
3 - 17.11%

NFL
1 - 40.12%
4 - 59.88%

2K14
1 - 34.84%
4 - 65.16%

FIFA 14
1 - 35.43%
4 - 64.57%

NBA 14
1 - 43.40%
4 - 56.60%

Thought this was interesting, especially considering EA's partnerships with MS. Seeing how surprisingly healthy the bone's lead is, I'm not sure for how long Sony can hold onto this lead, but if they do for a while, I wonder how long it'll take EA to reevaluate their support. Maybe they won't, if money hats continue pouring from MS and better attach rates from Sony— sounds like a win-win.

[Bebpo]

3DS software also costs more than DS software to make.  Though sometimes not by much considering 3DS is still filled with shovelware zero budget licensed games that make crazyyyyy bank for the publishers.

[Himu]

Breakdown of EA's next gen software between the bone and PS4:

AC
1 - 30.95%
4 - 69.05%

NSF
1 - 16.71%
4 - 48.42%
360 - 17.77%
3 - 17.11%

NFL
1 - 40.12%
4 - 59.88%

2K14
1 - 34.84%
4 - 65.16%

FIFA 14
1 - 35.43%
4 - 64.57%

NBA 14
1 - 43.40%
4 - 56.60%

Thought this was interesting, especially considering EA's partnerships with MS. Seeing how surprisingly healthy the bone's lead is, I'm not sure for how long Sony can hold onto this lead, but if they do for a while, I wonder how long it'll take EA to reevaluate their support. Maybe they won't, if money hats continue pouring from MS and better attach rates from Sony— sounds like a win-win.

Huh? What? What lead does MS have?

[Bebpo]

I figure Japan will be in major trouble with Nintendo's next handheld that's on Vita power level or so.  Gonna be really hard for devs to half-ass a simple series budget game and get people to not notice and buy it in droves by that point.  But I guess that's when those games will go mobile and most of Japan's population will too.

[bachikarn]

So what's the main argument for Nintendo not going third party for consoles? I highly doubt they are making that much money off royalties given that third partys have abandoned them. Ntards keep saying it is an awful idea, but they aren't very credible.

[benjipwns]

So what's the main argument for Nintendo not going third party for consoles? I highly doubt they are making that much money off royalties given that third partys have abandoned them. Ntards keep saying it is an awful idea, but they aren't very credible.

Get some facts before you try to debate: http://www.laserlemming.com/2013/12/12/it-prints-money-why-the-wiiu-is-here-to-stay/

[Shaka Khan]

Huh? What? What lead does MS have?

I misspoke— I was going for "healthy bone numbers" rather than lead.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

NBA Live 14
1 - 43.40%
4 - 56.60%

is that a percentage number, or actual copies sold?  Because I think it could be about either.



ps
Oscar's post, SNK was able to limp along for a friggin decade on the Neo-Geo, past any reasonable experiation date by a good five years or so.  Yeah, completely different era and all that, but it really doesn't strike me as that crazy that Nintendo could weather this particular storm.

[thisismyusername]

Tearaway ~14k

i don't know how to respond

If Sony put it up for $20 tomorrow, digitally on the store: I'd buy it.

But at $40? With the system being mostly "dead" in not having too many note-worthy titles besides that over the past year? It can wait, sorry Taco-kun.

[Bebpo]

I figure Japan will be in major trouble with Nintendo's next handheld that's on Vita power level or so.  Gonna be really hard for devs to half-ass a simple series budget game and get people to not notice and buy it in droves by that point.  But I guess that's when those games will go mobile and most of Japan's population will too.

i agree with your conclusion and this is already underway.  the biggest game this year in japan with the general gaming audience is a free-to-play puzzle game with static sprites, and that whole expanded audience nintendo pulled in last gen is playing line pop and line bubble now.

Now that I have an ipad I'm more open to the idea of Japan moving to mobile.  But when will we get a Bravely Default, good epic single player jrpg for mobile?  I played Chaos Rings back in the day as Japan's first attempt at that and it was pretty budget and unspectacular (go through same game a bunch of times; shallow and easy battle system).  Have they pulled off a real legit jrpg or srpg yet?  Since those are genre's aren't really handicapped by touch controls outside a 3d camera, I'm hoping one day we'll get interesting games like Beyond the Labyrinth or Radiata Stories or Bravely Default from the smaller devs that can't afford console development.

[cool breeze]

if nothing else it'd be interesting to see what a third party nintendo would be.  some things will be better, somethings will be worse, but nintendo's current course isn't really making anyone happy.

[Stoney Mason]

While I think Nintendo would certainly be more successful than something like Sega, its hard for a company to stop doing what they know versus morphing into something different.

If they want to compete in America they have to radically change focus for this market. Something they seem unwilling or incapable of doing.

[thisismyusername]

Third party Nintendo would be the same as Sega: Mario #1290095820345802850285029, Mario Kart #1908430850285028305820, Mario at the Olympics with Sanic #2093485029850283405820850520, Sanic that isn't truly terrible because Nintendo is the only good thing for Sonic #2093452089.

Maybe a few new IP's that may or may not bomb and then underutilizing them (Xenoblade?), but mostly the Mario workhorse keeping them afloat like Sega's Sonic did for a while before Sega finally started to break into the PC market to try to diversify.

[Smooth Groove]

at Japanese gamers' tastes.  10x worse than dudebros.  Glad they're not driving the direction of mainstream gaming. 

Tearaway ~14k

i don't know how to respond

I remember when people said that PSP software sucked because of piracy but Sony would love to have those numbers now.  Maybe Sony should just let people hack the Vita again.   

[Stoney Mason]

I never thought Sega would be as big as people did around that time. I think Sega was a beloved game company with real hardcore appeal but very little mainstream appeal. (When I moved to Cali back then that was the first time I had run into what I would later dub "Sega people" which didn't exist where I came from.) When I think back to the hits of the Dreamcast it was a lot of niche beloved titles. The Genesis was the only time I think they ever really hit it mainstream when Sonic and some of that stuff was clicking.

On an anecdotal level I was working for a sega subsidiary when the whole Dreamcast thing crashed. And none of us were optimistic at all based on what we had experienced under Sega.

[thisismyusername]

I remember when people said that PSP software sucked because of piracy but Sony would love to have those numbers now.  Maybe Sony should just let people hack the Vita again.   

Well, that'd be one way to drum up coder/developer interests in the system... 

What do they have in the US in 2014? I can't really think of too much besides Disgaea 4 which is naturally gonna happen because of NISA pulling an Atlus more than anything.

[Human Snorenado]

Maybe it's just because 10+ years have passed, and Nintendo have released more installments in their tentpole franchises, but I just don't see Sega circa Dreamcast death having titles with the same clout as Mario, Zelda, or even Donkey Kong. What franchises did they have back then that had that sort of clout? Sonic? The 2k sports games? Waning interest in arcade type games helped kill Sega too.

But seriously... if Knack can sell 100k outside of bundles on PS4, how much would Mario 3D world do? Anyone wanna wager a guess?