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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #660 on: July 23, 2012, 09:10:28 PM »
Oh snaps, someone got to watch three hours of filming and has leaked the info lmao; guess she won't be invited back. Anyway, some ADWD spoilers here and a confirmation that Iwan Rheon (from Misfits) has been cast as Ramsay Snow

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/70576565.html
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Time is certainly a problem given the 10 ep limit, but moving that arc up makes a whole lot of sense
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« Reply #662 on: August 17, 2012, 12:58:48 PM »
I approve.

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« Reply #663 on: August 17, 2012, 01:02:37 PM »
Great actor, but much older and less dynamic than I pictured Mance.
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« Reply #664 on: August 17, 2012, 01:28:21 PM »
Eh, I guess they're changing the role. I figured they'd age him up, but not this much. Oh well, he's obviously a great actor. I guess they'll be portraying him in a more kingly, fatherly fashion than the Mance in the books who seems more like a charismatic warrior prince.
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« Reply #665 on: August 17, 2012, 01:29:28 PM »
Can't wait to hear him sing The Dornishman's wife :lol
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« Reply #666 on: August 25, 2012, 10:46:24 PM »


Nice puppies Arya :drool?
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« Reply #667 on: August 25, 2012, 10:49:05 PM »
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isn't she underaged

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« Reply #668 on: August 25, 2012, 10:50:03 PM »
Don't worry, doe tits are not underage.
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« Reply #669 on: August 26, 2012, 01:04:38 AM »
Well she's 15 and the Dominican Republic has the age of consent at 18.

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« Reply #670 on: August 26, 2012, 10:21:32 AM »
lol he thinks we respect our laws over here :rofl
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« Reply #671 on: September 29, 2012, 08:59:01 PM »
WHO IS PLAYING THE QUEEN OF THORNS IN SEASON 3 BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE MAGGIE SMITH
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« Reply #672 on: September 29, 2012, 09:03:03 PM »
WHO IS PLAYING THE QUEEN OF THORNS IN SEASON 3 BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE MAGGIE SMITH

Diana Rigg, from your favorite Bond movie

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« Reply #673 on: September 29, 2012, 09:04:49 PM »
Oh my god that's good enough.

If that scene doesn't have the fool dancing and singing I will rage, because it's [the chapter where she's introduced in the Sansa POV] easily the most hilarious chapter in the series.
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« Reply #674 on: September 29, 2012, 09:06:29 PM »
A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
All black and brown, and covered with hair!
The bear! The bear!
Oh, come, they said, oh come to the fair!
The fair? Said he, but I'm a bear!
All black, and brown, and covered with hair!

And Down the road from here to there.
From here! To There!
Three boys, a goat, and a dancing bear!
[He] danced and spun, all the way to the Fair!
The Fair! The Fair!

Oh, sweet she was, and pure, and fair!
The maid with honey in her hair!
Her hair! Her hair!
The maid with honey in her hair!

[The bear,] smelled the scent on the summer air.
The bear! The bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair.
He smelled the scent on the summer air!
He sniffed and roared and smelled it there!
Honey on the summer air!

Oh, I'm a maid, and I'm pure and fair!
I'll never dance with a hairy bear!
A bear! A bear!
I'll never dance with a hairy bear!
He lifted her high into the air!
The bear! The bear!

I called for a knight, but you're a bear!
A bear! A bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair!
She kicked and wailed, the maid so fair,
But he licked the honey from her hair,
Her hair! Her hair!

Then she sighed and squealed and kicked the air!
My bear! She sang. My bear so fair!
And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair.
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« Reply #675 on: October 08, 2012, 12:19:04 PM »
Set photo SPOILER from ASOS. You've been warned

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« Reply #676 on: October 08, 2012, 12:39:18 PM »
Niiiiiice.
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« Reply #677 on: October 08, 2012, 01:49:36 PM »
Set photo SPOILER from ASOS. You've been warned


at first i didn't see it THEN I SAW IT
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« Reply #678 on: October 08, 2012, 02:08:03 PM »
Who cares about that? any set photos of ROS?
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« Reply #679 on: October 08, 2012, 10:54:47 PM »
I don't see it.  Somebody spoiler the answer so I can be a part of the in-crowd.
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« Reply #680 on: October 08, 2012, 11:01:38 PM »
spoiler (click to show/hide)
his hand/arm is mutilated.  the biggest thing to happen to jaime in the books -- it sparks a character shift and makes him much more complex and conflicted.
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« Reply #681 on: November 18, 2012, 10:25:38 PM »


voice of Selyse Baratheon, Stannis' wife
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« Reply #682 on: December 02, 2012, 09:12:33 PM »
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« Reply #683 on: December 02, 2012, 10:07:50 PM »
New characters I spotted:

Ramsey
The Reeds
Edmure
The Lighting Lord
Mance
Thoros
Queen of Thorns
Blackfish
Tormund Giantsbane
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« Reply #684 on: December 02, 2012, 10:11:48 PM »
Still no Rhaegar? ???
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« Reply #685 on: December 02, 2012, 10:15:38 PM »
New characters I spotted:

Ramsey
The Reeds
Edmure
The Lighting Lord
Mance

Forgot Queen of Thorns. Also, Dany in Mireen/Yunkai'i :bow
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« Reply #686 on: December 02, 2012, 10:23:55 PM »
Missandei is also in there
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« Reply #687 on: December 02, 2012, 10:42:48 PM »
Missandei is also in there

Another maid, no one cares tbh.
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« Reply #688 on: December 02, 2012, 11:01:23 PM »
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« Reply #689 on: December 02, 2012, 11:03:47 PM »
lol they got the love actually/doctor who taco as jojen
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« Reply #690 on: December 04, 2012, 12:21:36 AM »
I hope the writers/producers get their shit together after last year fiasco.
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« Reply #691 on: December 04, 2012, 12:23:59 AM »
After re-reading the books, I agree.
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« Reply #692 on: December 04, 2012, 12:45:05 AM »
I know I go over this continually... but tell me what you would do differently that would result IN A GOOD TV SHOW.  Assholes.  You act like someone is exhuming Shakespeare's corpse, fucking it on live tv while reciting Hamlet in ebonics, and then pissing on the corpse.  For fucks sakes, it's OK GENRE LIT.
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« Reply #693 on: December 04, 2012, 01:00:18 AM »
I know I go over this continually... but tell me what you would do differently that would result IN A GOOD TV SHOW.  Assholes.  You act like someone is exhuming Shakespeare's corpse, fucking it on live tv while reciting Hamlet in ebonics, and then pissing on the corpse.  For fucks sakes, it's OK GENRE LIT.

Well, actually, most of the changes are just non sensical and have nothing to do with the tv format.

I can forgive all of them. Except for Robb's change. Robb's change was pointless and went from making a very profound statement about not only Robb, but his father, the Starks, and "honor" - which is a huge thing in the series as a point - to a soppy love story.

Robb Stark didn't fall in love with Jeyne Westerling, he took her virginity and they had sex in a moment of weakness (likely after finding out the death of his brothers coupled with injuries). Robb marries her to save her honor, but forgoes the simple fact that putting her honor over his own word to marry a Frey girl, betrays not only his name and promise, but the Freys honor, and the rest of his men; by honoring one person, you dishonor someone else. In the end, it's an impactful statement on the nature of honor, how flimsy it is, and is a very scathing critique by the author of the Starks. This decision is made stronger by the fact that Ned Stark (seemingly) sired a bastard. Robb Stark did what Ned Stark should have done, or couldn't have done. He is his father's own son and that is reflected in his decision to marry a girl who may have his bastard, simply due to how he grew up and the treatment of Jon Snow.

That is the offensive change in the tv show, and the one that makes zero sense.

In the tv show, he falls in love with a woman amputating a man's leg off. The romance has zero build up, and is not remotely realistic, and feels forced.

Honor, family, duty; a cornerstone of the most important themes in A Song of Ice and Fire series whittled down to a petty love story. Horrible.

All the other changes can be fixed, but that can't.

As an aside, they still have yet to go over the history of Aerys and Rhaegar, or Arya willingly killing the guard to escape Harrenhal. These are huge pieces of character development. Maybe season 2 would be better if it were split into two seasons? For what it's worth, I have faith season 3/4 will be better since they have the sense to split the seasons.
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« Reply #694 on: December 04, 2012, 01:45:20 AM »
My problems with the show are more in technical aspects than anything else. I feel like the show's direction is quite pedestrian outside of Alan Taylor's episodes;  S2 was certainly an improvement over S1 in terms of direction but it's still not where it should be. The writing is often rather average at best also, largely due to departures from the novels. Some of Littlefinger's dialogue especially has bordered on fan fiction nonsense, the Ros stuff is horrible, etc.

In terms of book changes, my problems were largely with S2; I thought S1 did a good job in terms of being an adaption whereas S2 made a series of ridiculous changes I don't get. Himuro pointed out the Robb stuff so I won't go there. The next biggest problems for me were Arya and Jon's stories. Arya has one of the darkest and best arcs in the entire series in ACOK, yet it's neutered into an odd fan fiction ("My Summer Vacation with Uncle Tywin" perhaps) that has absolutely no tension or suspense. At the end Arya waltzes out of the gates no different than when she came in; I realize the show doesn't want Arya to seem like some comic book character, killing people left and right, but she should have killed a guard at the least. It's so important to her development...

Then...Jon. He basically does nothing, walks around with Ygritte, gets caught, etc. And don't  get me started on how they butchered the Halfhand, who came off as a bumbling old man; the greatest ranger of the Night's Watch, unable to track dumbasses (Jon and Ygritte).

And then all the stupid stuff they did with Dany...sigh. She barely has any chapters in ACOK so they had to create material, but what they did was rather weak to put it lightly. Her entire arc felt like a cheap Sci Fi channel Sunday movie.
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« Reply #695 on: December 04, 2012, 01:48:10 AM »
Jon and Robb's S2 stuff was weak, for sure.  And Dany's "where are my dragons" crap dragged on for way too long.

For me though, none of that stuff is dealbreaking.  The highs (Tyrion, Arya, late S2 Cersei, Jaime) more than make up for all of that.  Maybe I'm just not as picky and don't put the books on as big a pedestal as all of you wankers, I dunno.
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« Reply #696 on: December 04, 2012, 01:49:51 AM »
S3 will feature one of the best directors from Breaking Bad so things should look better. The writing will be the question mark (again)
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« Reply #697 on: December 04, 2012, 02:00:29 AM »
Jon and Robb's S2 stuff was weak, for sure.  And Dany's "where are my dragons" crap dragged on for way too long.

For me though, none of that stuff is dealbreaking.  The highs (Tyrion, Arya, late S2 Cersei, Jaime) more than make up for all of that.  Maybe I'm just not as picky and don't put the books on as big a pedestal as all of you wankers, I dunno.

Don't get me wrong. There ARE no deal breakers. It was still pretty great, but if we are going to critique on the direction the show is taking, I think a lot of complaints are legitimate.

Also, the show has made arguably my favorite character (Jon) into a wimpy bitch. I hope that they don't turn Dany's conquer of the East into whine fest, either.

And I agree with Phoenix Dark in that s1 changes were for the best, mostly.
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« Reply #698 on: December 04, 2012, 02:07:18 AM »
I hope they dedicate an entire episode to Aerys/Rhaegar and the sack because S3/4 are going to completely rely on knowing that backstory. I don't think the show has mentioned The Mountain slaying Oberyn's sister and her children have they?
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« Reply #699 on: December 04, 2012, 02:13:46 AM »
I hope they dedicate an entire episode to Aerys/Rhaegar and the sack because S3/4 are going to completely rely on knowing that backstory. I don't think the show has mentioned The Mountain slaying Oberyn's sister and her children have they?



I don't think they need to dedicate an entire episode to backstory. They should just add some exposition in on the subject. I was surprised they didn't have Ned talk about Rhaegar in S1, it would have sowed the seeds for non-book reader speculation. 
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« Reply #700 on: December 04, 2012, 02:15:34 AM »
I guess I want to see scenes like Brandon Stark's death with :bow -worthy GOT direction.
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« Reply #701 on: December 04, 2012, 02:19:06 AM »
speaking of which, I'd totally support a legit Kickstarter for an animated adaption of Game of Thrones. It could be truly amazing, and feature a lot of shit that wouldn't work on television (flash backs)
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« Reply #702 on: December 04, 2012, 05:30:27 AM »
I was pretty surprised to find that the books really DON'T have THAT much sex in them, especially compared to the show.
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« Reply #703 on: December 04, 2012, 10:38:50 AM »
I know I go over this continually... but tell me what you would do differently that would result IN A GOOD TV SHOW.  Assholes.  You act like someone is exhuming Shakespeare's corpse, fucking it on live tv while reciting Hamlet in ebonics, and then pissing on the corpse.  For fucks sakes, it's OK GENRE LIT.

Oh give me a fucking break most of the second season was bad tv plain and simple, how someone can defend any fucking scene with Danny or Rob is beyond me.
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« Reply #704 on: December 04, 2012, 10:46:39 AM »
Also I would totally trade the location filming for longer seasons (at least 12 episodes) they really don't add much except for the stuff beyond the wall, I mean they reallyhave to go to Malta or whatever just to show Tyrion and Danny walking around corridors?
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« Reply #705 on: December 04, 2012, 01:39:57 PM »
Also I would totally trade the location filming for longer seasons (at least 12 episodes) they really don't add much except for the stuff beyond the wall, I mean they reallyhave to go to Malta or whatever just to show Tyrion and Danny walking around corridors?

Not a bad point, but I do think that S2's choice of Dubrovnik, Croatia for King's Landing was truly amazing; it looks exactly like the city is described in the novel. Alas there aren't many exterior shots in the season. Does every "two characters talking" scene have to be inside a corridor or dark room when you're shooting in one of the most beautiful cities in the world?

Iceland is fine for beyond the Wall to me, although the lack of trees stands out. I do agree there may have been a cheaper place to shoot that stuff, but then again Iceland's weather conditions are truly perfect for those scenes. And it looked beautiful on screen.
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« Reply #706 on: December 04, 2012, 04:44:29 PM »
I know I go over this continually... but tell me what you would do differently that would result IN A GOOD TV SHOW.  Assholes.  You act like someone is exhuming Shakespeare's corpse, fucking it on live tv while reciting Hamlet in ebonics, and then pissing on the corpse.  For fucks sakes, it's OK GENRE LIT.
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« Reply #707 on: December 05, 2012, 08:38:17 AM »
Did you bitches cry this hard when they left Tom Bombadil out of the Lord of the Rings movies?

As I've said time and time again, it's an ADAPTATION.  If it were exactly like the books, you wouldn't watch it because you would know every little thing that was going to happen.  Some stuff doesn't translate well to the screen.  And this is being produced for a pay-channel network, so the sex scenes have to be three-fold.
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« Reply #708 on: December 05, 2012, 01:34:52 PM »
::) The changes aren't the problem it's the fact that 99% of the changes made to the second book where stupid, nonsensical and made for shit tv.
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« Reply #709 on: December 05, 2012, 03:19:44 PM »
Did you bitches cry this hard when they left Tom Bombadil out of the Lord of the Rings movies?

As I've said time and time again, it's an ADAPTATION.  If it were exactly like the books, you wouldn't watch it because you would know every little thing that was going to happen.  Some stuff doesn't translate well to the screen.  And this is being produced for a pay-channel network, so the sex scenes have to be three-fold.

"Some stuff doesn't translate well to the screen" sounds like a cop out and you don't know what you're talking about.

Robb transforming from a man of character, who tries to live up to his father's name and his family's honor into a desperate teen hankering for love is awful. It ruins the character and all of his development. Bubububu Tom Bombadil? Really? Who ultimately isn't that important in the LOTR books or lore beyond the fact that he's a god?

Arya, Hot Pie, and Gendry literally walk outside of gates of Harenhall. There WERE guards. But they were dead already. IT'S AN ADPATATION, he says. No, all they had to do was have one guard, just like in the book, have Arya tell Gendry and Hot Pie to shut the fuck up and stay here, take the dagger she stole (since Bolton isn't in Harenhall, let's just say it's just a random dagger for protection) and then shove it up the git's gut. It would have taken the SAME AMOUNT OF TIME and would have developed her character while doing so. Waltzing out of Harenhall? What kind of person is Arya at the end of season? Oh, just the exact same as she was at the beginning of season 2 and not the survivalist that Arya eventually needs to become. But, OH NO, he says, it's an ADAPTATION! :lol

In the book Dany's dragons aren't taken at all. Pyat Pree invites her to the house of the undying, and she has guts. She's not some prim delicate rose. She has her dragons too. What does she do? She walks to the house of undying's doors, willingly, to take him on his offer. He drugs her, and she burns the fuck out of every single mother fucking wizard in that city. No bitching, no mewling about WHERE'S MY DRAGONS. That segment of Dany's part of season 2 was objectively awful. ADAPTATION! :lol

Jon Snow ranges with Qhorin Halfhand and a host of ranger pros. He scales a mountain with only his hands and feet in bittering cold, he kills a Warg (how has the show not even mentioned what a warg is yet?), and then goes for Ygritte and lets her go. He finds Halfhand and the rest, they're laid into a trap as each individual members dies one after one. Halfhand and Jon eventually range through a cave, knowing they are like to die, with the warg's eagle following them. Halfhand clearly tells Jon to kill him in a ruse to gain the wildlings' trust, and to study them, follow them, fight with them until it's safe to escape. Tension, world building, character development, great fights, and suspense. Jon's chapters had all of these things. What is it like in season 2 of GoT? Oh, he gets lost, Ghost gets lost, Ygritte makes a bunch of jokes about him being a virgin, Halfhand is a fucking idiot, it's boring. They spent at least 10 episodes building Jon's trek beyond wall I think and it was still shit. ADAPTATION.

When adapting, changes are going to be necessary. But when there are unnecessary changes made to the characters and their quest, it makes one wonder what direction they're taking the adaptation in. In GoT's case, things just aren't looking good as far as resolution goes. Since you mentioned LOTR, let's say instead of being best friends, Sam and Frodo are actually lovers. Why? WE DON'T KNOW. That's a GoT season 2 level change. BUBUBU ADAPTATION. These aren't complaints that "THIS WASN'T IN THE BOOK", these are complaints that "haha holy shit, these changes are terribly written, what is this, the sy fy channel?" While it's true GoT tv is pushing the boundaries of information one tv show can hold at once, none of these changes were necessary and they all stink of bad writing. Period.
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« Reply #710 on: December 05, 2012, 05:17:50 PM »
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« Reply #711 on: December 06, 2012, 01:31:49 AM »
Let's look at it like this; how would you look at the show if you hadn't read the books?  Would it still be a bad show?  Would you still be complaining about character development?

Another question, do you think the show would still be able to financially survive if they played out every single detail of every single chapter?  How expensive would it be if they completely played out the escape from Harrenhal, all the battles, ect?  How drawn out would the show be?

My wager is that we would still be somewhere in the first book, HBO would be getting ready to drop the show because of high expenses and low ratings, and you guys would still be complaining.

I love the books as much as you do, don't get me wrong.  I just don't set extremely high expectations for something that if it were meant to be a show, Martin would have written it as a screenplay and not a book.
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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #712 on: December 06, 2012, 08:55:33 AM »
Haven't said GoT is a bad show. It is one of my favorite shows on TV but season two had MESS all over it even without the books. From an objective point, season two failed HARD as an adaptation in some areas, but also made for some boring TV in SOME viewpoints. Most of season 2 owned. This doesn't mean all, and the show is still enjoyable and I will watch the fuck out of it but from a narrative standpoint, Dany, Jon, and especially Robb's povs are highly flawed, barely watchable and considerably worse told than the books that had all of their stories laid out.

This doesn't mean there are things the show doesn't improve either (which is a lot) such as hunting of the bastards. You keep going on about adaptation when almost none of these characters had an arc in this season.

Is Jon a better ranger and more skilled, experienced man to lead after Mormon? NO. Did he not balk at what he was told to do, scale treacherous terrain with his bare hands in the line if duty? NO. He bitched, he got made fun of being a virgin. WOW GREAT CHARACTER GROWTH THERE. Did Dany act queenly? She lost her dragons? That is distinguished mentally-challenged. The Danaerys we know from season 1 - great adaptation btw - TAKES NO SHIT. Does she keep asking favors, waiting for someone to support her cause? NO. The Danny we have come to know would take this inti her hands and fuck shit up because she is the lawful heir. How did she grow as a character in season 2? Oh she cried like a beggar, her dragons were stolen, and she burned Pyat Pree. GREAT CHARACTER ARC.

If you had a point (and you don't !) even without the books these viewpoints would still be fairly decent and make for good TV worthy if HBO standards. They weren't.
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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #713 on: December 06, 2012, 09:01:34 AM »
Haven't said GoT is a bad show. It is one of my favorite shows on TV but season two had MESS all over it even without the books. From an objective point, season two failed HARD as an adaptation in some areas, but also made for some boring TV in SOME viewpoints. Most of season 2 owned. This doesn't mean all, and the show is still enjoyable and I will watch the fuck out of it but from a narrative standpoint, Dany, Jon, and especially Robb's povs are highly flawed, barely watchable and considerably worse told than the books that had all of their stories laid out.

This doesn't mean there are things the show doesn't improve either (which is a lot) such as hunting of the bastards. You keep going on about adaptation when almost none of these characters had an arc in this season.

Is Jon a better ranger and more skilled, experienced man to lead after Mormon? NO. Did he not balk at what he was told to do, scale treacherous terrain with his bare hands in the line if duty? NO. He bitched, he got made fun of being a virgin. WOW GREAT CHARACTER GROWTH THERE. Did Dany act queenly? She lost her dragons? That is distinguished mentally-challenged. The Danaerys we know from season 1 - great adaptation btw - TAKES NO SHIT. Does she keep asking favors, waiting for someone to support her cause? NO. The Danny we have come to know would take this inti her hands and fuck shit up because she is the lawful heir. How did she grow as a character in season 2? Oh she cried like a beggar, her dragons were stolen, and she burned Pyat Pree. GREAT CHARACTER ARC.

Now this, I can agree with.  To be honest though, I'm not big on Dany in the books either.  I think Martin has drawn it out too long.  That, and I really just want him to finish this series the fuck up so I can get on with my life.
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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #714 on: December 06, 2012, 09:13:02 AM »
Also who said anything about every single detail? We don't WANT every detail. It doesn't NEED every detail. But to craft a believable story they have failed on multiple opportunities to do stuff. What is Arya? A survivor right? She changes her name, pretends to be a boy, murders a stable boy, and feels constant pressure from the fall of her house and living in a different world. It is obvious that Arya has the nature of a killer inside her. Why doesn't the show have a simple scene during the escape of Hare hall if her killing a guard? It develops her character to show she is not the little girl she was at the beginning, and it sets up for what the show will eventually do with her character. And you bring up money? ??? Almost none of these arguments have to do with money or being 100% adaptation. I don't expect them to have Jon scaling mountains but I do expect his journey to feel treacherous and him to be a bad ass. I don't expect them to show Robb off screen and show up married suddenly like in the books, but for fucks sake I don't expect them to turn his story into a fucking shitty love story either. What does ANY of this have to do with money? It has every thing to do with shitty writing.
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« Reply #715 on: December 06, 2012, 09:17:03 AM »
Himu, it's always about money.  They never would have made the show if they didn't think they couldn't make money off of it.

Take a breath, smoke a cigarette, masturbate, whatever you need to do.  Your inner fanboy is getting the best of you right now.
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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #716 on: December 06, 2012, 09:17:26 AM »
Haven't said GoT is a bad show. It is one of my favorite shows on TV but season two had MESS all over it even without the books. From an objective point, season two failed HARD as an adaptation in some areas, but also made for some boring TV in SOME viewpoints. Most of season 2 owned. This doesn't mean all, and the show is still enjoyable and I will watch the fuck out of it but from a narrative standpoint, Dany, Jon, and especially Robb's povs are highly flawed, barely watchable and considerably worse told than the books that had all of their stories laid out.

This doesn't mean there are things the show doesn't improve either (which is a lot) such as hunting of the bastards. You keep going on about adaptation when almost none of these characters had an arc in this season.

Is Jon a better ranger and more skilled, experienced man to lead after Mormon? NO. Did he not balk at what he was told to do, scale treacherous terrain with his bare hands in the line if duty? NO. He bitched, he got made fun of being a virgin. WOW GREAT CHARACTER GROWTH THERE. Did Dany act queenly? She lost her dragons? That is distinguished mentally-challenged. The Danaerys we know from season 1 - great adaptation btw - TAKES NO SHIT. Does she keep asking favors, waiting for someone to support her cause? NO. The Danny we have come to know would take this inti her hands and fuck shit up because she is the lawful heir. How did she grow as a character in season 2? Oh she cried like a beggar, her dragons were stolen, and she burned Pyat Pree. GREAT CHARACTER ARC.

Now this, I can agree with.  To be honest though, I'm not big on Dany in the books either.  I think Martin has drawn it out too long.  That, and I really just want him to finish this series the fuck up so I can get on with my life.

I am "odd" in that I like Daenarys chapters. She is a cold ass bitch with a heart of gold and I love her for it. The conquer of the three cities is my most anticipated event of season three, yes, even more than the red wedding.
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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #717 on: December 06, 2012, 09:19:03 AM »
I just called you a fanboy, but I'm going to admit that I hope they do the red wedding "right."

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Re: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread
« Reply #718 on: December 06, 2012, 09:25:05 AM »
The red wedding is why I think the change in Robb's reason for marriage is even more stupid.

Man trying to do the honorable thing over duty -> boy who can't keep it in his pants and needs love

Sounds like HBO catering to a certain demo. aka slores.
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« Reply #719 on: December 06, 2012, 09:48:38 AM »
That's exactly what it is.
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