Author Topic: Game Of Thrones S2 (HBO, 9PM EST) thread (Read 68422 times)

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #480 on:** May 28, 2012, 01:54:53 AM »

And I completely fucking disagree. Way to just call me factually wrong, though. I was way, way more impressed by the non-battle scenes in this episode than the overall battle. Lena Headey deserves an Emmy.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #481 on:** May 28, 2012, 01:56:16 AM »

I still love you but if we were a couple you'd be on the coach tonight

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #482 on:** May 28, 2012, 01:56:52 AM »

THE COUCH GIVES BETTER SEX THAN YOU DO

chronovore · « **Reply #483 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:19:47 AM »

So, wait, after Joffrey goes back to the red keep or crying to his room or whatever, Tyrion tells some fancy armored guy "You'll fight as the king's representative," or something.

Later, that same armored guy is the one who cut Tyrion's face, isn't he?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #484 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:23:42 AM »

Quote from: chronovore on May 28, 2012, 02:19:47 AM

So, wait, after Joffrey goes back to the red keep or crying to his room or whatever, Tyrion tells some fancy armored guy "You'll fight as the king's representative," or something.

Later, that same armored guy is the one who cut Tyrion's face, isn't he?

Yes, it was a member of the King's Guard (Ser Meryn). He was the knight who regularly beat Sansa, and Tyrion threatened a few episodes ago

chronovore · « **Reply #485 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:30:53 AM »

Ah, so do you think he was operating on his own, getting revenge for being embarrassed, or has Cersei instructed him to bring down Tyrion if an opportunity presented itself?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #486 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:45:41 AM »

Hmm there's some debate on who did the deed. In the book it's not Ser Meryn, it's another knight who I thought had not been included in the show (Ser Mandon Moore). But folks on GAF are saying Moore is the one who sliced Tyrion tonight; he was the knight who reported to Cersei the news of a group of ladies attempting to steal horses from the stable.

I'll have to watch again. I figured they were just changing things from the book, since Moore had not appeared in previous episodes whereas Meryn was already established as an asshole who hated Tyrion

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #487 on:** May 28, 2012, 04:10:25 AM »

Episode was pretty much all that and a bag of chips.

Also, I would put zephyrfate on ignore cause it's obvious he is just trolling at this point (plus admitted to watching Spartacus as something other than a guilty pleasure) but for some reason ignore seems to have disappeared.

Bebpo · « **Reply #488 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:17:39 AM »

Perfect episode.

Best episode in the series and after a season of the TV being almost nothing like the book its adapting, having an episode where EVERYONE IS IN CHARACTER EVERY SINGLE SCENE was just really really awesome. They didn't waste a second, every minute of those 50ish minutes was packed with content and all the major events from the battle were actually used (though for budget reasons they played out in different locations). Directing was great, and the gore was a bit over the top but Marshall is a horror director with a history of gore, so it worked. Why Tyrion cuts the guys leg off it was

I think the only issue is that because it felt like an ep for book readers without dumbing shit down, I feel like most tv viewers will be confused as to exactly what was happening. But then I figure next ep they'll sit viewers down and explain what happened so it'll work out. I also think certain scenes that I'm glad they DID will not have the impact they should because their arcs weren't developed like HOUNDxSANSA.

But if you look at the ep in a vacuum, it was perfect and I only wish the rest of the show was as faithful to the source material as this ep was.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #489 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:53:44 AM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 28, 2012, 04:10:25 AM

Episode was pretty much all that and a bag of chips.

Also, I would put zephyrfate on ignore cause it's obvious he is just trolling at this point (plus admitted to watching Spartacus as something other than a guilty pleasure) but for some reason ignore seems to have disappeared.

Uh, the last season of Spartacus was one of the best seasons of TV out there, so... it's pretty much just you trolling.

etiolate · « **Reply #490 on:** May 28, 2012, 06:59:29 AM »

Yeah there was a lot of confusion at the end for non-book readers. I didn't realize that was the white knight and his crew with Tywin, because I hadn't seen him in awhile and it just wouldn't make sense for him to join up with his exbfs sworn enemies.

It will feel kind of weird going back to all the other plots for just one final episode after already having the big episode.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #491 on:** May 28, 2012, 08:05:01 AM »

for non book readers, the notion of "sword enemies" is something that should be dropped. Houses can align and realign at the drop of the hate in this world and only a few specifically are truly loyal.

I think showing Littlefinger at Renly's camp was a perfect setup for Loras and crew showing up to save Kings Landing. They didn't specifically say they were going to switch camps but it's implied enough so that when it happens you can recall back to the scene and nod your head.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #492 on:** May 28, 2012, 12:47:43 PM »

godamn I love Sander Clegane now. "Fuck the King."

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #493 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:01:51 PM »

that was a ok episode if you have no brain and think action is all that matters. story wise it was a fucking mess and the "twist" at the end was laughable deus ex machina shit. garbage.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #494 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:03:30 PM »

The non-battles scenes were the best scenes

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #495 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:04:21 PM »

seriously it was shit, groan inducing. especially after season 1 where it seemed so well written now you have literally everything that is wrong with writing in teh episode. plot twists you can see a mile away, a killer all of a sudden being a good guy for no real reason, daddy coming in at the end and saving the day.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #496 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:05:59 PM »

You're referring to The Hound? It's been rather obvious he's been...interested in Sansa since S1. The book makes it more blatant perhaps, but nothing he did in Sansa's room was out of character

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #497 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:07:54 PM »

I guess but it was stupid that he'd turn on the king all of a sudden i dunno just felt too convenient. and it seemed like the episode WAS going the right way only for that shitty ending

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #498 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:08:44 PM »

oh also its hard to tell the difference between loras and that lannister squire guy who the queen pushed the arrow in or w/e

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #499 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:12:54 PM »

as i said earlier, they setup the Tyrell/Lannister union pretty well earlier in the season after Renly dies. I mean they even spell it out that half of Renly's banners went with Stannis. The scene with Magaery and Littlefinger should have made you think what the other half was going to do.

also you dont know what deus ex machina means.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #500 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:14:57 PM »

is a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object.

That exactly describes what happened at the end of the episode. A bunch of characters you wouldn't know unless you read the book because they all look the same other than Tywin, who did show suddenly and abruptly to save the day. And even if they did set it up they did come all of a sudden which is exactly what a deus ex is. you lose

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #501 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:18:32 PM »

please tell me fistful how the ending of the episode wasn't a unresolvable problem for cersei and stupid kid that wasn't abruptly and suddenly resolved by Tywin and Loras coming through the games in a new event?

Bebpo · « **Reply #502 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:21:07 PM »

Dude, the Lannisters won this battle.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #503 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:21:30 PM »

but what happened wasn't a new event, character, ability or object.

The Tyrell army, who was formally with Renly, aligned with the Lannisters after the death of Renly (as foreshadowed earlier in the season) and reached Kings Landing in time to save the city.

When you think back to what you saw in the season it all makes sense.

Now if you didn't like the fact that it happened just when the battle was seemingly lost, then that's just dramatic storytelling 101.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #504 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:22:32 PM »

that IS the problem that it happened to a unresolved problem all of a sudden, it is the definition of a deus ex

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #505 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:24:48 PM »

I thought it was rather obvious why The Hound left the battlefield, and ultimately quit Joffery. He wasn't going out there again with fire everywhere

In terms of the end, I suppose one could argue it was a LOTR-esque "the eagles are coming" moment. The show didn't do a good idea of explaining how Tywin got to the city in time because that part has completely been changed from the book. I don't think deus ex machina applies here: Tywin arrives in time to save the city. It's not a plot that came out of nowhere - Tywin left Harenhel (which is close to King's Landing) in the previous episode, and the Tyrell forces most likely met him outside of King's Landing.

book explanation for those that want it:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Robb comes up with a plan to flank Tywin's forces between his northern army and an army led by his uncle Edmure (Catelyn's little brother). Edmure fucks up the trap by attacking Tywin before Robb's army can get to the battle. While Tywin loses the battle, he manages to escape and then hears that Stannis is mere days from King's Landing. He leaves the battlefield and marches for King's Landing immediately at break neck speed, and is ultimately met by the Tyrell forces along the way.

Basically if Robb's uncle didn't fuck it up, the north could have destroyed Tywin's forces while Stannis successfully sacked King's Landing.

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fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #506 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:27:20 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 02:22:32 PM

that IS the problem that it happened to a unresolved problem all of a sudden, it is the definition of a deus ex

so you just dont like that the show revealed the Tyrell/Lannister alliance at a pivotal dramatic point in the episode and not the fact that they were aligned in the first place?

sounds like a minor squabble on your part. if you can't get over that then you probably should stop watching the show.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #507 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:28:11 PM »

I think its just more dissapointing considering how well written this show has been for it to come to that. or im just really amd that the lannisters arent dead

cool breeze · « **Reply #508 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM »

Is Stannis this baller in the book? He's in front leading everyone else without heavy armor or shield.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #509 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:35:02 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on May 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM

Is Stannis this baller in the book? He's in front leading everyone else without heavy armor or shield.

The battle occurs from Davos and Tyrion's POVs in the book, so you don't really see much Stannis. He was on the battlefield in the novel commanding his forces, but I can't imagine him going up a ladder first lol. That seems more like something Robert or Robb Stark would do. He's badass in the book, just in other ways

he was pretty baller though, I liked it. I doubt his men would have reacted well if he just told them "alright, go take the city while I give out commands yo." In the show, he had to make that decision or face mutiny

Momo · « **Reply #510 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:44:38 PM »

Quote from: Linkzg on May 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM

Is Stannis this baller in the book? He's in front leading everyone else without heavy armor or shield.

Running through arrows with no shield. Having that "hold me back" moment at the end, pretty baws

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #511 on:** May 28, 2012, 02:57:35 PM »

god, fucking leper methodis

again

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #512 on:** May 28, 2012, 03:01:41 PM »

One note that I was sort of bummed wasn't in the episode. When Stannis sees the Tyrell forces, most importantly a man in Renly's armor, it would have been cool if he whispered "Renly...?" in utter disbelief. In the book, the Stannis forces are routed in part because they flee, thinking Renly has risen from the dead. It turns out to be Loras Tyrell's brother Garland in the armor, who is considered one of the three men in the realm capable of holding their own against Jaime Lannister in a fight. Of course in the show, it's Loras in the armor which is fine since Garland hasn't been introduced

Bebpo · « **Reply #513 on:** May 28, 2012, 03:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2012, 02:24:48 PM

I thought it was rather obvious why The Hound left the battlefield, and ultimately quit Joffery. He wasn't going out there again with fire everywhere

I think it's more confusing in the show because there wasn't enough fire (yeah he saw a guy run at him on fire and a few people on fire around him, but in the book it seemed the entire area outside the gate was on fire. Like you would walk out the gate and all you would see is raging fire everywhere. So when The Hound saw all that and went into shock and took off, it made more sense. Should've set more stuff on fire in the foreground in the show. But then some of the actors might have gotten burnt while trying to fight around it.

It also has the problem of a lot of other subplots in the series where they didn't do a good job developing and establishing his great fear of fire that's still with him from when he was burned as a kid.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #514 on:** May 28, 2012, 03:23:28 PM »

i didnt even know he was afriad of fire it was poorly written

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #515 on:** May 28, 2012, 03:35:31 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 03:23:28 PM

i didnt even know he was afriad of fire it was poorly written

If you had been following the fucking show since, oh I don't know, the first fucking episode, you'd know his aversion to fire

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #516 on:** May 28, 2012, 03:45:45 PM »

hE NEVER SAYS he's afraid or has a fear of fire you stupid fucking hipster. nothing in the show eludes to him being a big fucking pansy afraid of fire, and being afraid of the equivalent of a small bonfire is even more laugahble.

this show is horrendous.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #517 on:** May 28, 2012, 04:06:03 PM »

i knew i remember the doll from somewhere.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #518 on:** May 28, 2012, 04:53:22 PM »

without spoiling it is there going ot be any major big plot twists on this next episode and are the book and tv shopw back on teh same apge?

Himu · « **Reply #519 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:02:50 PM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on May 28, 2012, 04:06:03 PM

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i knew i remember the doll from somewhere.

Sansa

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #520 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:11:17 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 04:53:22 PM

without spoiling it is there going ot be any major big plot twists on this next episode and are the book and tv shopw back on teh same apge?

There will be major plot development/twists. Last season's finale kind of just was the aftermath of ep9 while setting up for the next season; the big event of course was the Dany stuff at the end. This time there's more stuff to resolve, some of which will be big. It's a 70 minute episode

The show has made some big diversions from the book in terms of absent characters/areas which won't be addressed until next season apparently. We'll see. There's one scene in particular for next week that I can't imagine them having the budget for, given how expensive Blackwater was - so there will be major changes I'm guessing.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #521 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:19:03 PM »

thank you PD. wanted to make sure that Davos wasn't this seasons big plot twist

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #522 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:31:17 PM »

Maaaaaaaaaaaan now I must wait a whole week to find out whats up.

This one was so good.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #523 on:** May 28, 2012, 05:32:41 PM »

BTW bros, avoid the GoT S2 soundtrack on itunes/wherever. The last song title is a major spoiler

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #524 on:** May 28, 2012, 06:30:46 PM »

wat happened to Ser Barristan

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #525 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:10:48 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 03:45:45 PM

hE NEVER SAYS he's afraid or has a fear of fire you stupid fucking hipster. nothing in the show eludes to him being a big fucking pansy afraid of fire, and being afraid of the equivalent of a small bonfire is even more laugahble.

this show is horrendous.

He had half his face melted in a fire, so

yeah

fucking

duh he would hate fire

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #526 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:12:58 PM »

Yeah he sees a guy get burned and he's like "fuck this war shit for this dipshit king".

Makes sense to me.

He's not afraid.

Himu · « **Reply #527 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:13:32 PM »

uh

they flat out say in season 1 that his brother put his head in a fire.

during last night, someone waved a torch with fire on it. he flinched.

later on when he's sent to the front, he says don't shoot those fire arrows at me or i will hang you by your intestines.

half of his face is burned.

he sees some guy running at him with full force on fire.

someone with a brain should be able to come to a conclusion.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #528 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:19:36 PM »

w/e you guys defend bad writing all u want its ok

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #529 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:21:09 PM »

He seemed more stunned then afraid Himuro no?

Himu · « **Reply #530 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:22:21 PM »

dude required wine. wine indicates fear.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #531 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:23:49 PM »

wine doesnt indicate fear thats a piss poor excuse. he didn't look scared he just looked stunned like how everyone else did. also it looked like tame fire. it was weak.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #532 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:26:55 PM »

I just hope that fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow king dies soon. Maybe old man Lannister can cut his balls of or something.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #533 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 07:19:36 PM

w/e you guys defend bad writing all u want its ok

you have no idea what bad writing is, so it's okay

in fact, the words "bad" and "writing" seem to be elusive to you in their meaning

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #534 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:42:10 PM »

dont go toe to toe with me bruv that is a fight u WILL lose

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #535 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:46:43 PM »

chronovore · « **Reply #536 on:** May 28, 2012, 07:52:48 PM »

Also, as soon as I saw Cersei drinking, I thought, This should be enlightening. And there's NO WAY this will end well. What a raging cunt.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #537 on:** May 28, 2012, 08:24:43 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on May 28, 2012, 03:45:45 PM

hE NEVER SAYS he's afraid or has a fear of fire you stupid fucking hipster. nothing in the show eludes to him being a big fucking pansy afraid of fire, and being afraid of the equivalent of a small bonfire is even more laugahble.

this show is horrendous.

except, you know, the explicit scene where littlefinger tells sansa about it. and joffrey telling sansa about the hound. and several other scenes both this season and the last.

You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #538 on:** May 28, 2012, 08:28:09 PM »

so you literally ahve to have aspergers to notice little delivery lines that are throw offs is his massive fear of campfires ok got it

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #539 on:** May 28, 2012, 08:29:35 PM »

yes, you need aspergers to understand simple dialogue in television

do you even fucking listen to yourself sometimes

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