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« Reply #420 on: July 30, 2012, 01:17:02 AM »
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« Reply #421 on: July 30, 2012, 01:30:40 AM »
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« Reply #422 on: July 30, 2012, 01:52:21 AM »
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« Reply #423 on: July 30, 2012, 01:54:33 AM »
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« Reply #424 on: July 30, 2012, 02:04:04 AM »
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« Reply #425 on: July 30, 2012, 03:30:49 AM »
I have a question for you comic book nerds, I always thought Gotham was a fictional city and it never got mentioned that it was in the States. Then suddenly in this one you got that lil kid singing the anthem and the stars and stripes. Is Gotham this explicitly in the USA in the comics?

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« Reply #426 on: July 30, 2012, 03:46:39 AM »
I have a question for you comic book nerds, I always thought Gotham was a fictional city and it never got mentioned that it was in the States. Then suddenly in this one you got that lil kid singing the anthem and the stars and stripes. Is Gotham this explicitly in the USA in the comics?

Uhhh yeah. In fact most maps (though soft canon at best) have placed it in New Jersey.

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« Reply #427 on: July 30, 2012, 04:07:16 AM »
Gotham is a real world nickname for NYC, no? And yeah, it has always been explicitly in the USA.

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« Reply #428 on: July 30, 2012, 05:34:57 AM »
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OK, but that makes it entirely uninteresting, and takes the teeth from most of what he does.  It makes him a stooge who merely bought into the rhetoric of Ra's al Ghul, not an independent thinker. He ultimately brought nothing new to the table in terms of ideology or themes. He was just a more bad-assed version of Ra's, with the same daft philosophy.  A genuine Marxist class warfare-advocating madman would have been much more interesting to me.
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Bane and Talia are motivated by two specific things. The desire to destroy Gotham and the desire to break Bruce Wayne. Their method of destroying Gotham is by threatening them with destruction but promising the hope of survival. Bane wants everyone to think they're going to get out of this even though ultimately they will all die. He uses this scenario + the situation he put Bruce Wayne in to break Wayne's soul.
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« Reply #429 on: July 30, 2012, 10:32:20 AM »
I have a question for you comic book nerds, I always thought Gotham was a fictional city and it never got mentioned that it was in the States. Then suddenly in this one you got that lil kid singing the anthem and the stars and stripes. Is Gotham this explicitly in the USA in the comics?

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The majority of appearances place Gotham on the Northeastern coast of the United States, where New York City is located. Also, Manhattan is an island in the Northeastern United States, which corresponds to maps depicting Gotham City. However, the 1990 Atlas of the DC Universe states that Gotham is located in New Jersey, across the Delaware Bay from Metropolis, which would place it on the southern coast of New Jersey. Like Gotham, Metropolis' location has also varied over the years. The distance between Gotham and Metropolis has varied greatly over the years, with depictions of the two ranging from being hundreds of miles apart to Gotham and Metropolis being shown as twin cities on opposite sides of Delaware Bay, with Gotham City in New Jersey and Metropolis in Delaware.
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« Reply #430 on: July 30, 2012, 10:36:39 AM »
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« Reply #431 on: July 30, 2012, 07:49:25 PM »
Going by some of his tweets I think he liked the movie. Then again that never determined his course of action on the forum.
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« Reply #432 on: July 30, 2012, 08:01:59 PM »
I'm just jilted that jarosh completely ignores us for seven months....and only comes back to make his first posts since December 2011 in order to bitch at us for liking a gawdamned Batman movie.

Really, jarosh?  This is how you do us?  :-\
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« Reply #433 on: July 30, 2012, 08:03:32 PM »
I'm just jilted that jarosh completely ignores us for seven months....and only comes back to make his first posts since December 2011 in order to bitch at us for liking a gawdamned Batman movie.

Really, jarosh?  This is how you do us?  :-\

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« Reply #434 on: July 30, 2012, 08:41:08 PM »
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« Reply #435 on: July 31, 2012, 12:27:23 AM »
So, I thought it was very very entertaining but hollow, unconvincing, had a cheap-ass, unearned ending, and featured a Batman that bears no relation to any Batman I've been reading for most of my life. Totally agree on the lack of any natural human interaction as well...the Bruce/Selina relationship was particularly hard to buy, other than on sheer 'match.com' style bulletpoints (i.e. She's hot! He's hot too! She's into cosplay! So is he! BOOM)

That lead to the whole thing feeling cold and distant. I can see Batman getting beat down, but I don't actually CARE the way I should because he is such a cipher. He only ever spoke to Rachel in plot summations so I never bought that they were that deeply in love. They barely even smiled at each other for two whole movies....

Bane was a great villain up until the ol' switcheroo at the end which made a nonsense of his whole cause - turned out he didn't really give a shit about the oppressed 99% at all and was just trying to impress some hot chick he was hung up on.

The 8 year retirement - this is the hero Gotham needs? Batman gets shot in the leg and just gives up? His whole deal is supposedly boundless determination and devotion to an ideal. Yes, it makes for an entertaining (if super predictable) story to see him torn down, then rise up...but it's alien to me. This is the tension caused by trying to have character growth in a comic character that only makes sense if it never changes.

The happy ending - very enjoyable to watch, because of course it's always nice to see the beat-down hero win and get a shot at happiness. But it wasn't organic at all. There was no internal struggle with continuing the mission. Despite the 8 year retirement, as soon as something 'interesting' happened (Catwoman appearing), Bruce just becomes Batman again. As if all he was waiting for was a hot chick or something to stroke his ego. Mere muggers or rapists literally weren't worth his getting out of bed. But once he does become Batman again, there is no agonizing over whether it is the right thing to do or not. It's all externalized in the incredibly heavy-handed bitching from Alfred. There was no 'I'm too old for this shit' or 'Oh God, Catwoman is SOOO HOT I want to sex with her but this Batman thing is getting in the way'. The big decision to quit just happens literally in a flash, with Batman offscreen. Not a single human moment of indecision or longing or anything to justify what he did, unless you count looking miserable for the entire duration of the film. It is also reasonable to ask - if he wasn't happy being an idle billionaire playboy OR a crusading CEO OR a sexy masked vigilante....why the fuck is he going to be happy sipping cappucinos in Florence or whatever? What is his conscience telling him for the rest of his life?

oh crap well past TLDR gif territory so better stop there for now.

The weirdest thing about it is that I genuinely enjoyed the crap out of it, for the most part! But for a movie that invites you to think about it, it sure gets worse and worse the more you do...

Bruce and Selinas attraction seemed obvious to me, there are the points of her being smokin hot, kicking ass and into cosplay too (which is enough to drive the relationship for me, how complex do you want this thing?!) but it's made out that Wayne is clearly intrigued by her background and motivations; while he's always had everything and acts out of a sense of duty to Gotham, Kyle acts out of necessity and self preservation.

As for Wayne being retired then jumping at the chance to get back in the action after so many years, who wouldn't be intrigued by a smoking hot catburglar who robs your house, cracks your uncrackable safe but really only wanted your fingerprints? Not to mention the references to organised crime in Gotham being dead since Harvey Dent died. Batman didn't have a job to do, but suddenly there's the League of Shadows, Bane and TERROR and general villainy afoot. When in the history of Batman does he just roll around the city fighting 2 bit crims for the sake of it? There has to be a worthy villain for Wayne to don the cape.

Bane was great, the definition of a terrorist, while his actions came with a strong political message about equality and class systems he also wanted to see a city writhe in fear and flaunt his power as a super criminal then watch it all go up in smoke. I interpreted destroying the city as being part of the message, Bane and Talia come from some super serious twisted philosophy where, for some reason, Gotham is the center of all that is wrong with the modern world and must be destroyed, hence ultimately destroying the city declares their rationale to the rest of the world that, whatever Gotham was doing wrong will not be tolerated. No exceptions.

My only problem with Bane was when Batman first came into the film he seemed silly by comparison, all of a sudden nobody could shoot straight and the comic book action took over. I eventually got comfortable with it, but the first few scenes with Batman felt pretty awkward. There were a bunch of other things which sucked, specifically Alfred being a whimpering puss and the ending was shoddy and unsatisfying (the twist was far too forced). But on the whole I thought it was a damn fun flick.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #436 on: July 31, 2012, 12:28:49 AM »
I am also attracted to Anne Hathaway- so its easy to believe. Maybe Bruce saw the laser scene in Get Smart.
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« Reply #437 on: July 31, 2012, 01:01:42 AM »
I am also attracted to Anne Hathaway- so its easy to believe. Maybe Bruce saw the laser scene in Get Smart.


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« Reply #438 on: July 31, 2012, 01:03:19 AM »
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« Reply #439 on: July 31, 2012, 01:24:43 AM »
Decided to pop in some TDK as it's been a while since I last watched it. Some of the parts in the first 45 minutes [which is what I've rewatched so far] really is quite terribad, but about 90% of it is absolute ace. And Heath Ledger's performance just gets better each time I watch it.
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« Reply #440 on: July 31, 2012, 01:25:17 AM »
He's like an evil Alton Brown
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« Reply #441 on: July 31, 2012, 01:26:32 AM »
ok the did not read gifs officially jumped the shark HARD itt.

I'm catching up and I have to agree. Please to limit them to Ruzbeh's threads and anything similarly cray. I need to know that I can be taken seriously every now and then. :(
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« Reply #442 on: July 31, 2012, 01:32:35 AM »
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« Reply #443 on: August 19, 2012, 06:28:05 PM »
The Dark Knight Rises

But it was just BANE BANE BANE and Catwoman's ass.

Good movie but not Batman. Should be called Heat 2 instead.

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« Reply #444 on: August 19, 2012, 10:57:25 PM »
Finally watched this a few days ago.  Wasn't as into it as for TDK (I like urgent, driving plots over "epic" arcs of redemption and stuff) but still a good time.  Second Batman movie in a row where I saw a villain with a silly voice in the trailer but then it completely worked in the movie.

Read back a page to Cormac's comments, and I think the movie makes more sense if you don't think of this Batman as a hero or even anti-hero, but as a sulking, selfish obsessive.  Bruce/Rachel never rings true as a great romance, right?  Hell, she was going to go with Harvey Dent rather than him.  But what if he saw her as some kind of path to salvation, and when she dies he mopes for years like a character in a gothic novel, because he's built up what they had way beyond what it really was, and he's as determined to not move on from this as from his parents' death?

It's probably not how it was intended, but that's really the vibe I was getting.  Bruce Wayne: rich emo kid.

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« Reply #445 on: August 19, 2012, 11:05:35 PM »
I thought that was exactly how it was intended. 

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« Reply #446 on: August 19, 2012, 11:15:01 PM »
I thought that was exactly how it was intended.

Me too. Bruce was supposed to be seen as pathetic as possible to make his rise more impactful. He didn't just rise as Batman, he rose out of the well of grief and self pity that had taken control of his life.

His argument with Alfred in the cave after he comes back with he antenna really highlight how immature Bruce is.

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« Reply #447 on: August 20, 2012, 12:38:11 AM »
Arkham City Bruce/Batman > rich emo kid.

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« Reply #448 on: August 21, 2012, 05:27:31 AM »
Well he's obviously meant to be in a funk, but I think as the audience we're expected to be sympathetic, rather than thinking he should get over himself: he's retired as part of taking the rap and mythologizing Harvey Dent, which is apparently important for Gotham, so he's making a sacrifice, blah blah blah.  That goes back to the ending of TDK, which never clicked with me, but given how "the hero we need, not the hero we deserve" caught on I think I'm in the minority there.  Basically I think Alfred should have been dropping some acid one-liners and maybe slapping some sense into Bruce rather than crying over him.


Oh, and Anne Hathaway was super great.  Needed more chasing around on rooftops and Batman getting flirted at.

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« Reply #449 on: September 02, 2012, 03:31:51 PM »
TDKR just passed 1 billion worldwide [and edged out TDK in total gross].
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« Reply #450 on: September 02, 2012, 04:02:01 PM »
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« Reply #451 on: September 02, 2012, 06:59:43 PM »
finally saw this. plot really WAS comic book convoluted to the point of nearly nonsense, but overall i liked it. i agree with mandark's assessment: bruce wayne as sulking self-absorbed wunderkind works better than bruce wayne as altruistic dark hero. unfortunately, there *is* a bit of disconnect between the comic book plot and villains and the slightly deeper characterizations and message, but when HAVEN'T modern (read: pretentious) comic books about dudes in tights been totes schizophrenic? thumbs up, by and large.
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« Reply #452 on: September 02, 2012, 07:01:53 PM »
and both anne hathaway and joseph gordon-levitt turned in good performances. anne hathaway still doesn't LOOK the part, but she played it convincingly. christian bale's batvoice gets stupider with each installment.
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« Reply #453 on: September 02, 2012, 07:02:55 PM »
So is it better than Prometheus?
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« Reply #454 on: September 02, 2012, 07:05:35 PM »
yes. relatively speaking. prometheus needs a kindom of heaven styled directors cut to fill in all the bizarre editing gaps and repair the broken pacing and narrative.
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« Reply #455 on: September 02, 2012, 07:10:13 PM »
Huh. I've seen neither, but expected both to be a let down. Unlike Detention, which both you and wife will enjoy. It's amazing.
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« Reply #456 on: September 02, 2012, 07:39:01 PM »
least dark knight rises didnt have nips on the suit
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« Reply #457 on: September 02, 2012, 07:51:24 PM »
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« Reply #458 on: September 02, 2012, 07:54:19 PM »
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« Reply #459 on: September 02, 2012, 08:22:47 PM »
Says he doesn't want the bat-nipples but produces video of bat-nipples and bat-ass to boot.  I don't know MAF.

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« Reply #460 on: September 02, 2012, 08:48:03 PM »
I meant to say AT LEAST DKR ISNT TRYIN TO BE THE BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER*

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« Reply #461 on: September 02, 2012, 08:50:10 PM »
somewhere there's probably a person who loved bat nipples/booty and thus hates the more "realistic" Nolan versions.
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« Reply #462 on: September 03, 2012, 07:59:57 AM »
and both anne hathaway and joseph gordon-levitt turned in good performances. anne hathaway still doesn't LOOK the part, but she played it convincingly. christian bale's batvoice gets stupider with each installment.

There's that part where Batwoman realizes that Catwoman already left without saying anything, and says "so that's what it feels like."  All I could think was aha, he does use that voice even when talking to himself.

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« Reply #463 on: September 03, 2012, 11:44:30 AM »
Duh Mandark, he does it so he can't make the connection between himself and batman
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« Reply #464 on: September 04, 2012, 10:24:23 AM »
somewhere there's probably a person who loved bat nipples/booty and thus hates the more "realistic" Nolan versions.
There's some people on GAF who complain about the lack of camp in modern batman movies a la Schumacher's versions.

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« Reply #465 on: September 04, 2012, 10:26:17 AM »
They are probably the fucks that like batman bold and the brave :yuck

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« Reply #466 on: September 04, 2012, 11:25:58 AM »
Bold and Brave ain't half bad. I mean, the superdickery episode alone redeems it.

At least it was doing its own thing and not trying to ape TAS like The Batman.

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« Reply #467 on: September 04, 2012, 11:30:02 AM »
Bold and Brave ain't half bad. I mean, the superdickery episode alone redeems it.

At least it was doing its own thing and not trying to ape TAS like The Batman.

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« Reply #468 on: September 11, 2012, 12:22:35 AM »
Finally saw this last Friday. Really enjoyed it even though there were a few hokey comic booky moments that seemed out of place compared to the last two films.
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« Reply #469 on: December 12, 2012, 10:22:53 PM »
Just saw this finally, rented HD on iTunes.

It was great. Do we still have to worry about spoilers?

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« Reply #470 on: December 12, 2012, 10:28:16 PM »
I bought the BR/DVD combo pack the other day.  Still haven't watched the special features disk that came with it. 
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« Reply #471 on: December 13, 2012, 12:33:48 AM »
somewhere there's probably a person who loved bat nipples/booty and thus hates the more "realistic" Nolan versions.
There's some people on GAF who complain about the lack of camp in modern batman movies a la Schumacher's versions.
Those people can suck on the bat-ass and bat-nipples in that YouTube, or in the This Ain't Batman XXX film, which offers the stylings of the TV sitcom. Or they can DIAF.

finally saw this. plot really WAS comic book convoluted to the point of nearly nonsense, but overall i liked it. i agree with mandark's assessment: bruce wayne as sulking self-absorbed wunderkind works better than bruce wayne as altruistic dark hero. unfortunately, there *is* a bit of disconnect between the comic book plot and villains and the slightly deeper characterizations and message, but when HAVEN'T modern (read: pretentious) comic books about dudes in tights been totes schizophrenic? thumbs up, by and large.
Convoluted, yes. In essence, there was this giant plan and each portion of it had to go perfectly -- and it did. I wasn't fond of how Bane seemed to understand almost magically  what would be the outcome out of every situation. I loved that kind of thing, how it was handled in the first Die Hard movie; it was perfect there. Here, there's no explanation or even exposition on why he can predict it so easily and fully.

Bane's motivation: Doesn't this completely fall apart?
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What does he actually do that has any meaning after he takes over? All the rhetoric about freeing the oppressed and bringing judgement to the rich 1% and shit is exposed as meaningless once it becomes apparent that the bomb is going to kill EVERYONE no matter what. It also weakens his motivation massively when we find out he is just Talia's stooge, although I grant that that was a nice piece of storytelling with a good headfake or two, and it deepened Bane's backstory greatly.

Wouldn't it have made far more sense for him to make a ransom demand of some sort?
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Isn't his motivation the same as Ra's al Ghul's? Gotham was beyond saving so the only thing left was to destroy it. Talia had the added motivation of wanting to avenger her father's death and Bane had the added motivation of being in love with Talia, but it all came back to what Ra's was doing in BB. It was never about punishing the 1% and freeing the oppressed, that was just part of Bane's giving the people a sliver of hope before crushing it right at the last second.
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Yeah, I don't know if it was not in the theatrical version, but the rental I just watched showed pretty clearly that he was going to destroy Gotham, and that the rest of it was just fucking with the citizenry to break the spirit of Bruce Wayne. He says as much. Why breaking BW is important, that's another question. Taken with the Talia angle, it may have been just because she hates Batman; but then again, it doesn't make sense why he'd be living to fulfill the League of Shadows' goals after they excommunicated him... for saving one of them, no less.
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It was probably my least favorite of the Nolan Batman movies, but still a great Batman movie, and a very good closer to the sequence.

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« Reply #472 on: December 13, 2012, 04:08:45 AM »
The end mass fight was just soooo damn bad, awfully directed/edited/choreographed.

In fact the only bit that was I actually enjoyed was the opening plane heist.

I think the pressure on Nolan must have been pretty unbearable.

We know that he can make awesome films, so there we go.

That was a collection of thoughts I came up with just now whilst lying in bed.
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« Reply #473 on: December 13, 2012, 07:37:58 AM »
Yeah, the opening plane scene was nearly on par with the Joker's bank heist in the 2nd movie. Very nice.

The mass battle between cops and thugs... it looked unconvincing and uncomfortable. And Matthew Modine's character "transformation" also didn't work worth beans. I know it was supposed to be a redemption scene, but it looked like he chickened out when the police were diminished, and decided to show up once there were more favorable numbers. Yeah, that whole scene was just fumbled. I think it was supposed to be some kind of epic clash for the soul of Gotham, but hey.

I also agree with the earlier points about Hathaway not fitting the character, but fill the roll well. JGL also was impressive, though his initial accent seemed a little overly forced. I liked how they casually emphasized his natural fighting ability without pushing it too far.

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« Reply #474 on: December 13, 2012, 10:17:52 AM »
Yeah the massive battle was underwhelming as hell for a Bane climax.  They really should have had that going on somewhere and Bane and Batman brawling it out somewhere else.  That setting really limited the interaction between them IMO.  I did think that seeing Bane start to lose control once his mask fucked up was awesome.  He began to unleash and really become a monster, but also fall apart.  I think that could have happened better though.