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« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2013, 10:49:10 PM »
Fistful is right. Django is a western. And much like westerns QT has an admiration for Kung fu films. What is a constant trope in westerns and pint fu films? A master teaching a student. Besides being friends that is their relationship. In genre films like this the master often dies for the student to grow. Think Obi Wan in Star Wars.

This is basic film making.

And Tarantino is a total film NERD and bases his films around common film tropes and outcomes with a twist. Django not killing Candie is merely an ode to westerns.

That is all.
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« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2013, 10:56:45 PM »
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol

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« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2013, 11:06:23 PM »
Foxx and Waltz are both the heroes of the film. However Foxx is the student and Waltz is the teacher. He's passing his knowledge down to Django and ultimately sacrifices himself to instill the morals onto him. It isn't just that "someone else does". It's the master dying so that student can go. Like what Himu stated.

You don't understand the film because you have not seen it.
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« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2013, 11:14:02 PM »
Django's wife had been taken away long before Candie had anything to do with her, and Django killed two of the Brittle brothers early in the film well before King was able to get to the scene. King didn't "give him permission," and for most of the movie they're actually working together as PARTNERS.
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« Reply #184 on: January 20, 2013, 11:29:27 PM »
Django's wife had been taken away long before Candie had anything to do with her, and Django killed two of the Brittle brothers early in the film well before King was able to get to the scene. King didn't "give him permission," and for most of the movie they're actually working together as PARTNERS.
Seeing as how you didn't watch the movie, the Brittle brothers are the ones who whipped, branded, and sold Django's wife.

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« Reply #185 on: January 20, 2013, 11:39:53 PM »
Yes, slavery films are rare. I didnt see Amistad.


Um wtf about the above comment. Lol


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If you acknowledge that slavery films are rare and we have said that Django is not a slavery film then ???

Anyways, I don't know what this is about black people playing in stereotypes. Aside from Tyler Perry films aren't we kinda past that?

The Help, Blind Side, and Precious are some films that come to mind.

Why hasnt anyone touched on how Django doesnt kill Candi?

But aren't The Help and Blind Side pretty standard "white person helps black person find something good about themselves" Oscar bait films?
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« Reply #186 on: January 20, 2013, 11:46:11 PM »
Why hasnt anyone touched on how Django doesnt kill Candi?
You don't know what you are talking about. It's one thing to have opinions about things you have actually seen to see the full context of things but you read a plot summary or some reviews and are making all these weird assumptions or going in with all these weird assumptions about how the movie should be. It's cool to not like something or not be interested in something. It's not that cool to speak as an expert on something you haven't even seen.

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« Reply #187 on: January 22, 2013, 02:29:23 PM »
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« Reply #188 on: January 22, 2013, 02:36:37 PM »
Oh yeah wanted to ask, apart from Tarantino is there any official link to Sukiyaki Western Django? Is this movie anywhere near as good? (30 mins in now)

Franco Nero is the guy Jamie Foxx spells his name too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(character)

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« Reply #189 on: January 22, 2013, 02:43:48 PM »
Oh yeah wanted to ask, apart from Tarantino is there any official link to Sukiyaki Western Django? Is this movie anywhere near as good? (30 mins in now)

Franco Nero is the guy Jamie Foxx spells his name too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(character)

Jesus.

Most of those are just ripoffs that the production company slapped Django's name on, though. :lol
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« Reply #190 on: January 22, 2013, 02:58:32 PM »
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« Reply #191 on: January 22, 2013, 04:13:15 PM »
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol

Django and especially Schultz never intended to walk into Candyland guns blazing and instead, devised a clever plan to work around having to pull their guns from their holsters. the film makes it explicitly clear that the moment Django discovered the whereabouts of Broomhilda, that he was firmly in control of his own actions and was better capable at assessing the situation than even his own "white" master hence the trope, the apprentice becomes the master. also, he never needed permission to kill anyone...

and to address the part of Candie taking his wife, in terms of narration, Tarantino does a-lot of interesting twists that plays with the users expectations which are basically the simple narrative structure we've come to expect from our films, which very few seldom breakaway from. you'd imagine with how they setup the beginning, that the mid to end game would've been Django tracking down and killing the Brittle brothers, who branded, tortured and sold Broomhilda, thus getting revenge. Instead, we see him passionately murdering the two of them a few scenes after they're introduced via flashback, before he even becomes a bounty hunter or a freeman. it was only natural for a woman with her looks and set of skills to be a house slave somewhere along the Mississippi, and while Candie was a terrible person, he was just like any other slave owner during that time, just maybe a bit more of an eccentric. Schultz despised the man, more so than probably Django, and couldn't resist killing him even if it meant ending his life along the Mississippi which he stated is the last place he wanted to die. Also it's a common western trope for either of the antagonists to be shot by who you least expected.

the film is incredibly well calculated, even with Schultz killing Candie and Django being captured and sold to the mining company. everything serves its purpose, either to paying tribute to the past or even help progressing the story. like Himuro said, Tarantino is a self-indulging film aficionado who likes to incorporate common film tropes and twists from the past into his movies. it doesn't hurt that he's also very intuitive when going about with it. I don't even know why i even considered seriously responding to your crap but if you've enjoyed his past movies and aren't an overly sensitive about racial issues, then by all means, do see the film. then again, you've literally already read the entire fucking wikipedia so why bother?

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« Reply #192 on: January 22, 2013, 05:07:31 PM »
Finally got to see this. Fantastic as expected.

Went to a friends house at the weekend for a movie party and he had this movie. I'd heard of it but never seen it.  :o Some real crazy shit.




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« Reply #193 on: January 22, 2013, 08:57:04 PM »
That movie is legit insane, and created by racists. Definitely worth watching though imo
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« Reply #194 on: January 23, 2013, 06:39:54 AM »
Then can it be a revenge film? Candie took his wife, but he doesnt kill him, someone else does. He also has to ask for permission to kill white people until the end of the movie. I dont see Django as a hero, what hero answers to his side kick for most of the movie? From what i read in reviews Django has less lines than his own side kick.  :lol

Django is very good at playing up the egos of the slavers and outlaws. In every life or death situation, he always reacts instantly but he doesn't instigate violence if he can avoid it.

Eventually, he gets revenge on everyone. For the first third of the film, Schultz plays the " white guy " in their cons to get closer to the targets. About the first half of the movie is about showing how Django and Schultz can be just as cunning in wit and skilled with guns.

Once they get to the plantation, and you see how much Schultz and Candie hate each other and Django and the head butler hate each other, it's about showing the dignity these people have is completely separate from their skin color.

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« Reply #195 on: February 03, 2013, 10:45:10 AM »
Just saw this last night, and while I thought it was a really good movie the logic sort of falls apart for me when Schultz kills Candie. I just didn't buy that he would jeopardize everything they came to Candie Land for over a crisis of conscience. He's written as a very smart character, and that was a very dumb, out of character move. He'd have known there was no possible way they could shoot their way out of there, and in all likelihood they'd both be killed along with Broomhilda. My fiance looked at me when he did that and said "Why did he do that? That was stupid." Surely Tarantino could have thought  of a better reason to escalate the violence at that point, because it just seemed to me Schultz killing him was only there to set up the bloodbath which followed. "Django has to kill a bunch of people at this point in the movie, so Schultz has to kill Candie first."
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« Reply #196 on: February 03, 2013, 12:42:45 PM »
Well, illogical or not, stupid or not, it was the kind of scene that I absolutely wanted to see at that moment. Ya know?
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« Reply #197 on: February 03, 2013, 05:00:22 PM »
I thought it fit his character well, despite being written as very smart he was also this passionate badass who loathed Candi and everything he stood for. Absolutely wanted to see that happen and witness the showdown too so pretty happy with that scene.

The part where Tarantino comes in and sounds like an Australian really baffled me. What the fuck was a group of Aussies doing in the wild west??? Good movie nonetheless.
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« Reply #198 on: February 03, 2013, 05:39:17 PM »
It fits Schultz's character as a guy who would hate "losing" to someone like Candie.

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« Reply #199 on: February 03, 2013, 05:44:18 PM »
I don't think so.  I'm pretty sure he had to be killed off because Schultz was a better character that Django, and a revenge movie of a white dude getting revenge on other white dudes for slavery doesn't work.  It would have been better had he died from a mess up instead of suiciding. 

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« Reply #200 on: February 03, 2013, 05:56:45 PM »
Django wouldn't take unnecessary risks to try to get revenge. He actually has something besides his own life to lose.

I think it says something that a person like Schultz (who is not black) could afford to show his disgust with slavery. Any black people in the country at the time would have method-acted how to hide their emotions around slavers and wouldn't have let their emotions be expressed verbally much less by a Derringer.

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« Reply #201 on: February 03, 2013, 06:14:19 PM »
The point I'm trying to make is even if Schultz were the type to kill Candie and commit suicide out of some sense of honor or conscience (and up until that point in the movie there was no indication he was), he certainly wasn't the type to put a death sentence on his friend (and the wife they were so close to walking out of there with) along with him. A short bit where he maybe catches Candie giving the nod to his thugs and realizing they weren't going to be allowed off the property alive, so he might as well kill him, would have made a bit more sense.
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« Reply #202 on: February 03, 2013, 06:29:19 PM »
The point I'm trying to make is even if Schultz were the type to kill Candie and commit suicide out of some sense of honor or conscience (and up until that point in the movie there was no indication he was), he certainly wasn't the type to put a death sentence on his friend (and the wife they were so close to walking out of there with) along with him. A short bit where he maybe catches Candie giving the nod to his thugs and realizing they weren't going to be allowed off the property alive, so he might as well kill him, would have made a bit more sense.

Agreed. I suppose he may have truly thought Django was an actual hero who would save his wife regardless of what happened, but overall he seemed rather grounded/realistic throughout the film compared to that final rash decision.
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« Reply #203 on: February 03, 2013, 07:07:54 PM »
You have to remember that we've never seen Schultz kill anybody for the sake of morality or cathartic pleasure until he killed Candie. That was never a situation he had been in, d it was basically his first murder that wasn't premeditated. That was a mistake that only somebody who wasn't black could make, which is why he turned to Django and said that he was sorry.

I'm sure all of Candie'a field slaves imagined everyday how they would kill the slavers but they would never act on it. The fact that Schultz wasn't used to having that restraint is what made him kill Candie.

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« Reply #204 on: February 04, 2013, 09:21:42 PM »
Looks like Django Unchained is going to become Tarantino's most successful movie. It's currently at a little over $300 million worldwide and it's still pretty early in its overseas release, where it's been doing very well.
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« Reply #205 on: February 05, 2013, 12:58:10 AM »
Looks like Django Unchained is going to become Tarantino's most successful movie. It's currently at a little over $300 million worldwide and it's still pretty early in its overseas release, where it's been doing very well.

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« Reply #206 on: February 05, 2013, 05:48:01 AM »
Looks like the butthurterati took a big L with this one.  Movie was great and I'll probably get the Blu Gay of this when it comes out.
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« Reply #207 on: February 05, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »
You have to remember that we've never seen Schultz kill anybody for the sake of morality or cathartic pleasure until he killed Candie. That was never a situation he had been in, d it was basically his first murder that wasn't premeditated. That was a mistake that only somebody who wasn't black could make, which is why he turned to Django and said that he was sorry.

I'm sure all of Candie'a field slaves imagined everyday how they would kill the slavers but they would never act on it. The fact that Schultz wasn't used to having that restraint is what made him kill Candie.

He sure as he'll didn't sound sorry. He was basically like oh well, good luck nicca
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