don't make the mistake of thinking I want to discuss bullshit like this seriously
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The outline of the emerging Senate deal is this: The government is funded until Jan. 15. The debt ceiling is lifted until Feb. 7. There are a handful of small Affordable Care Act changes: Stronger income verification, which Republicans want, and a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.Oh, and there's a bicameral budget committee that needs to report back by Dec. 13.The timing of all this is designed to create a fight about sequestration. The Jan. 15 deadline means funding for the federal government runs out at the exact moment sequestration's deeper cuts kick in. The Dec. 13 deadline means that the full House and Senate would have time to consider any package of recommendations the bicameral committee comes up with, if the committee actually manages to come up with anything.The deal isn't official yet. It hasn't passed the Senate yet. And it certainly hasn't passed the House yet. But if it does clear those hurdles -- and, again, that's a big if -- it'll mean Republicans and Democrats have agreed to take what began as a fight over the Affordable Care Act and make it into a fight over sequestration.That's what the Democrats want. It's also what some Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan and Grover Norquist want. But it's not been what the Ted Cruz wing of the Republican Party wants. The question now is how much pull they really have. This, from Robert Costa, suggests the answer might be "less than they did a few weeks ago":
How dare these idiots? Tailgunner Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee, the constitooshunal skolar from Utah, and Ms. Palin. How dare they traffick in this manner of grave-robbing? They would all throw these veterans off Medicare, close the VA hospitals, bury the brave old men and women in substandard nursing homes rather than give an inch away of their indomitable ideology of entitled selfishness. Ted Cruz doesn't think the government has a role in making the lives of these veterans easier. Mike Lee thinks the Founders wanted vets to starve. Sarah Palin doesn't think, period, and is proud of it.
There's no way Cruz single handily crashes the global economy. He wants to be president, after all.
This is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republicans-using-wwii-vets-for-political-agenda-101413QuoteHow dare these idiots? Tailgunner Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee, the constitooshunal skolar from Utah, and Ms. Palin. How dare they traffick in this manner of grave-robbing? They would all throw these veterans off Medicare, close the VA hospitals, bury the brave old men and women in substandard nursing homes rather than give an inch away of their indomitable ideology of entitled selfishness. Ted Cruz doesn't think the government has a role in making the lives of these veterans easier. Mike Lee thinks the Founders wanted vets to starve. Sarah Palin doesn't think, period, and is proud of it.
The House is out of time/bullshit, they have to pass this or we default. Boehner will bite the bullet, then tell his caucus he fought until the last minute. Not worried at all, just as I wasn't worried two weeks ago. Boehner always knew this day would come. He held out to protest his Speakership, and in hopes that maybe Obama would unilaterally cave.QuoteThis is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.html
This is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham, which is a very dangerous thing.
Quote from: Lindsey GrahamThis is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham, which is a very dangerous thing.
Suicide caucus where art thou
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:59:08 PMThe House is out of time/bullshit, they have to pass this or we default. Boehner will bite the bullet, then tell his caucus he fought until the last minute. Not worried at all, just as I wasn't worried two weeks ago. Boehner always knew this day would come. He held out to protest his Speakership, and in hopes that maybe Obama would unilaterally cave.QuoteThis is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.htmlWe'll see.
Costa says they sang "Amazing Grace" this morning and are unified behind rejecting the Senate plan and going forward with this one.
BOLLING: So let's talk about this Jonathan. You're a free marketeer guy. Now Walmart says, we're going to focus on buying made in the USA, so companies make stuff overseas, they would rather buy from them if they open a plant in America. Are you okay with that?HOENIG: I'm actually against that Eric. I think this whole notion of buy American is actually un-American. American companies should buy the lowest quality product... excuse me, the lowest price product at the highest possible quality. If they happen to be made overseas, that's even better. It allows Americans to save money and those resources to be more deployed, and more profitable in productive ways.
House Conservatives are now trying to add contraceptive language to bill; they're also upset at funding levels apparently. They don't like Boehner's bill...
Having spent two hours talking to House Republicans, my expert investment advice is: Short everything
Yeah, last week I told myself "there's no way they'd let us default" but now I realize they don't believe default will happen, so they can do whatever they want. Wheeeeee get ready for Th3 Gr3at D3pression
i'm off to the bank with a wheelbarrow.
Yeah, no way we're defaulting. Also, no way the 17th is the actual default date. The Treasury would play their hand like that.
But pro wrestling is fake. Are you insinuating that it's just a show to fund raise and sell commercials for 24 hour "news" orgs?
It's worth noting that if the House bill passes, Reid can simply remove the offending parts, pass it in the senate, and send it back. The budget numbers are the same in both bills. Reid could even backstab the senate GOP if he wanted, by not adding any concessions they've discussed.Pass the bill, send it back to the house, and skip town.
We will see a similar charade at the end of the year before recess. There will be some new ginned up 'crisis' and they will get to dominate the headlines for a few weeks, then they will kiss and makeup and return home.
I can't believe you people take this charade so seriously. It's all pro wrestling.
You say that, but the sequester actually hit and the government has shut down. So these crises aren't all based on some secret agreement from all sides to create the illusion of conflict.I still don't think we're going to default, but "it's all a show" is a bit Alex Jones-y for my tastes.
@robertcostaNRO 1mBREAKING: medical device delay is now out of House's bill, per two sources close to talks
@robertcostaNRO 5mOne reason why med device fell from package: populist right doesn't like it, complained they couldn't sell it as O'care win to base
If push comes to shove and the options were defaulting and keeping his Speakership or passing the Senate bill and losing his Speakership, which do you think Boehner is going to go for? I don't know if I want him in the position to make that decision, honestly.
