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[benjipwns]

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Donald Trump won 76% of counties w/ a Cracker Barrel & 22% of counties w/ a Whole Foods -- a 54% gap. In '92, gap b/t same counties was 19%.

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Whole Foods vs. Cracker Barrel culture gap over time:

1992: 19%
1996: 23%
2000: 31%
2004: 39%
2008: 43%
2012: 46%
2016: 54%

[Boredfrom]

Is Trump going to build an actual wall?

Or is he going to say that the wall is a metaphor for tightening immigration legislation?

I'm hoping for an actual wall.

Hadrians Wall
Great Wall
Trumps Wall

And remember Mexico is paying.

Mexico will pay, because they'll be trying to stem the tide of Californian refugees.

Nah, thats why we have the Narcos for.

[thisismyusername]

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Donald Trump won 76% of counties w/ a Cracker Barrel & 22% of counties w/ a Whole Foods -- a 54% gap. In '92, gap b/t same counties was 19%.

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Whole Foods vs. Cracker Barrel culture gap over time:

1992: 19%
1996: 23%
2000: 31%
2004: 39%
2008: 43%
2012: 46%
2016: 54%

Make America Organic Food Restaurants Again?

[Rusty Shackleford]

Resentment of liberal condescension in Rust Belt states + NAFTA eviscerating economies of said states + Clinton. TAA DAA

And it's not that everyone who voted for Trump in those states is racist. It's more that his talk on trade, manufacturing and the economy resonated enough that they were willing to overlook the rest of his...deficiencies. Trump's coalition isn't going to last forever but the strategy of an outsider stirring up Middle America will still be viable for what? 10? 20 years?

[Phoenix Dark]

So the two media personalities that correctly predicted Trump was Michael Moore and Ann Coulter.

What a time to be alive.

 

And that insufferable twitter guy who wouldnt shut up about secret trump voters and rally turnout

And yet he'll prob finish will fewer votes than Romney, or barely more. The story here is democrat voters taking things for granted in multiple states, and a vast majority of white women being cool with electing someone who brags about sexually assaulting women.

[zepblackstar]

I praise Trump for this

He took out the Bush and Clinton families from any more politics.

Good

[Rusty Shackleford]

I loathe Trump but yes, the (sole?) good thing about him is that this is *the last* we'll see of either family for quite a while. I guess it wasn't her turn after all.

[Phoenix Dark]

lol a few days ago I was thinking wow I wonder how long before Chelsea runs for congress, then senate. Now...nooope.


If only Obama had a son

[Samson Manhug]

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

I admit it's petty to not vote for a candidate because someone else in their immediate family has already come before. But that's kinda how I felt about voting for HRC. 300+ million people in the country and we again faced the possibility of a Jeb! vs. Hillary? We couldn't find anyone else?

[Rusty Shackleford]

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 

I sort of agree. A Trump voter is really looking hard the other way. But that's the way it is in some terribly depressed places. Christ, Walmarts in some of those towns are like the company store and could fit the entire town inside them. I don't think we should reduce those voters to a single facet of their personality.

[CatsCatsCats]

Cmon that's ridiculous, Samson.


All the racists didn't vote, there's likely much more

Nvm you extrapolated didn't you. Whatever, I lose

[benjipwns]

Some people are overreacting to the idea that Democrats mistepped on messaging by thinking it means "CODDLE THE RACISTS." They effectively made the election about Trump solely including downballot while simultaneously talking about how it was in the bag. And they don't understand why that wasn't enough to get people to vote for Hillary and the D's?

I stopped seeing the pro-Hillary ads in Michigan in September, after that they were all about terrible things Trump had said and how he'd be garbage as President. And lots of the downballot races were trying to tie the R candidate to what Trump had said.

It's like there just was a big assumption that everyone was as motivated to be FOR HER as they were. Something, IIRC, was a problem they had in 2008.

[Samson Manhug]

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 

I sort of agree. A Trump voter is really looking hard the other way. But that's the way it is in some terribly depressed places. Christ, Walmarts in some of those towns are like the company store and could fit the entire town inside them. I don't think we should reduce those voters to a single facet of their personality.

Sure, racists are a culture, not a costume. But you can be disenfranchised, left behind, stuck in poverty, feel betrayed, and also racist. Those first things don’t give you a “I’m not a racist” card. Those things are probably more likely to make you a racist since racism in this country was built around tricking those types of people not to revolt against aristocracy in the southern colonies.

[Phoenix Dark]

“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes

[Rusty Shackleford]

I don't know...Trump voter = automatic racist just seems too simplistic. I still think it's more likely that quite a few tolerant/open-minded/non-racist folks were enthusiastic about his rhetoric on trade and the economy and willing to overlook the dog whistling. If an issue is *important* enough - the economy - I still think people would hold their nose and take the good with the bad.

[Optimus]

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of thinking that made Donald J. Trump a fucking president.

[benjipwns]

“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes

WHY DIDN'T HE SAY THIS BEFORE THE ELECTION ARGLE BARGLE HANG HIM

[Himu]

“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes

How do you know who voted for Trump in your circle? I hesitate to even ask to bring it up. I can't trust American's, especially whites. People can call me racist all they want but last night proved me right.

[Himu]

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of thinking that made Donald J. Trump a fucking president.

You mean people who are fragile enough to not accept the truth? So we are supposed to baby them? What was wrong with be said? Trump was endorsed by the KKK and refused to dismiss their endorsement. The man has promised to deport Muslims and Mexicans and build a wall, Germany style. Nazis, as in literal Nazi's, are Trump supporters. How is the act of calling people who support this racist a bad thing? It's the fucking truth.

Today my friends (none are white) are telling stories about what happened to them. People are spray painting Nazi swastika's. Kids are telling their classmates they should be in the back of the bus. We have to explain to our children and family that we are scared. This ranges from multiple groups, from women to LGBTQ to racial minorities.

Now that they have won its open season.

But nah, calling a spade a spade is how Trump won? All that tells me is the fragility of white egos and how utterly weak of a people they are.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The problem is that both parties in the last couple decades have signed on to globalization and international trade while doing little to help those affected in the rust belt states.

A reconstituted DNC in 2020 might be able to test the theory that there are red state folks who voted for Trump but are not themselves racist. Democrats on the national level walked away from red states when they turned sharply corporatist around the beginning of the Clinton era.

[Phoenix Dark]

President of the United States

Clinton-Kaine:  128,025

Johnson-Weld:  5,806

Stein-Baraka: 2,389

Trump-Pence: 50,335

Castle-Bradley: 472

Soltysik-Walker: 95

Precincts counted: all 157

My district is pretty blue


Most people I know voted for Hillary. People at work...that's another story.

[Himu]

Another thing that gets me is that we are told to accept this result even though republicans obstructed Obama and our people for eight goddamn years in terms of meaningful legislature. Obama was a Muslim, an atheist, anything negative under the sun. But a dude who has gotten endorsements from literal nazis and klansmen and now we have to play nice and "accept" our new "President".

Fuck.

That.

[benjipwns]

Code: [Select]

President and Vice President
121/121 100.00%
  Vote Count Percent
REP - Donald J. Trump/Michael R. Pence 44,354 32.88%
DEM - Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine 81,266 60.24%
LIB - Gary Johnson/Bill Weld 5,369 3.98%
UST - Darrell L. Castle/Scott N. Bradley 521 0.39%
GRN - Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka 1,876 1.39%
NLP - Emidio Mimi Soltysik/Angela Walker 92 0.07%
Write-In 1,423 1.05%
Total 134,901 100.00%
that's quite a lot of write-ins actually

[Rusty Shackleford]

Another thing that gets me is that we are told to accept this result even though republicans obstructed Obama and our people for eight goddamn years in terms of meaningful legislature. Obama was a Muslim, an atheist, anything negative under the sun. But a dude who has gotten endorsements from literal nazis and klansmen and now we have to play nice and "accept" our new "President".

Fuck.

That.

It's an absolute goddamn travesty. And it's only going to encourage the Republicans to do the same thing in the future. But hey the Kardashians are on!

I think the chances are good that the filibuster is going bye-bye within the first 100 days.

[Kara]

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life. 

[Rusty Shackleford]

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life. 

I could see that Patrick Bateman facade of yours difficult to parse 

[Phoenix Dark]

I took today off for other reasons but apparently it was ugly. Including someone I know allegedly saying something along the lines of "would you rather vote for a woman or vote for someone who will help you afford to start a family" to a female coworker.
 

I'm also expecting plenty of "I can't wait to see how much I'm saving this time next year" AiA types excited about the return of deficit busting tax cuts.

[brawndolicious]

Everybody needs to settle down a bit and stop the filibuster-hyping and revolution having delusions. That shit can happen AFTER there is a 21st century inquisition. Otherwise no one is going to be bothered to vote.

Let the economy hit a depression, foreign relationships crumble, and racism/sexism pervade as a legitimate policy. People found those ideas so hard to believe that until they see it, there is nothing to be done. Just sit and wait for all the shit to hit the fan before trying to fix it.

[Himu]

I took today off for other reasons but apparently it was ugly. Including someone I know allegedly saying something along the lines of "would you rather vote for a woman or vote for someone who will help you afford to start a family" to a female coworker.
 

I'm also expecting plenty of "I can't wait to see how much I'm saving this time next year" AiA types excited about the return of deficit busting tax cuts.

I hope my cousin isn't an AiA type. One of those black people. I think he might be. Thanksgiving gonna be something else, I tell you what.

[Kara]

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life. 

I could see that Patrick Bateman facade of yours difficult to parse 

  It's good to have you back.

[Himu]

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/11/klan_will_hold_trumps_promises.html

But calling trump supporters racist - a fact - is why trump was elected!

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/09/donald-trump-pledges-sign-anti-lgbtq-first-amendment-defense-act/

But trump isn't anti-LGBTQ he waved a rainbow flag!

[Van Cruncheon]

among the seattle technorati trump voters, this election was all about shitvoting -- throwing a rock through the window and going FUCK YOOOOOOOOO to the establishment. why? because lulz beat responsible earnestness any ol' day, and damn the consequences.

that women, minorities, and lgbt peeps might get hurt? OH DON'T BE SUCH A STICK IN THE MUD, WHAT COULD GO WRONG AH HAW HAW HNARF IT'S JUST POLITICS (as they lick each others' buttholes)

and folks told me bernie bros were progressives. mm hm. nope, just privileged shitbertarians.

the only folks that are worse are the LET'S SEND A MESSAGE TO WASHINGTON!!!! do-rights <wide-eyed po'bucker cluelessness, cigarettes drooping from their slack jaws as realization dawns belatedly>

[VomKriege]

That's a vivid description of Seattle 

[Boredfrom]

and folks told me bernie bros were progressives. mm hm. nope, just privileged shitbertarians.

Good luck in 2020

[Van Cruncheon]

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

[benjipwns]

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

I don't know if even you could have made it more shaken.

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore. And complaining because Obama didn't call for overturning the election.

[Van Cruncheon]

spectacular. <closes github; unzips pants>

[Van Cruncheon]

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore.

that's an option for gaffers now? holy shit, i feel like rip van fuckin winkle

[Great Rumbler]

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

legit shook

[nachobro]

I don't know if even you could have made it more shaken.

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore. And complaining because Obama didn't call for overturning the election.

wrong attitude. you'd figure they'd want to increase the voting pool

[Mupepe]

Im so shook I ate a whole large pizza and bread sticks.

[benjipwns]

that's an option for gaffers now? holy shit, i feel like rip van fuckin winkle

it might just be a hypothetical kind of thing

[Let's Cyber]

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

 

[benjipwns]

i really liked the positive message ones of "they won! there's nothing we can do! why even bother with politics anymore, i don't even want to play argue about video games"

[chronovore]

Im so shook I ate a whole large pizza and bread sticks.

Yeah, I was doing pretty well, but then hit the chocolate pretty hard last night.

HOWEVER, I was surprised to realize that I had NO DESIRE to drink. I realized yesterday that if I drank, I wouldn't stop until 2020.

[Great Rumbler]

HOWEVER, I was surprised to realize that I had NO DESIRE to drink. I realized yesterday that if I drank, I wouldn't stop until 2020.

Not seeing any downsides to this, honestly. Well, other than liver failure.

[Van Cruncheon]

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

funny it took an election to make them realize that. someone remind them that japan is still here making titty elf games

[Boredfrom]

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

funny it took an election to make them realize that. someone remind them that japan is still here making titty elf games

Well, some admited that the only upside of the year is whatever problematic dude bro titty game that is FFXV is going to be GOTY, so that is out.

[james]

Itll be interested to see if Trump getting elected will hurt retail in November and December (and hurt jobs).

He can spin that in his inauguration speech as "look at the Obama economy failing, Im here to fix it, and I have a mandate to act fast"

He then institutes all his tariffs.

Economy then follows 2008 timeline. Major falls over the summer with the bottom falling out in late September.

11% unemployment by December 2017.

[Arsene Lupin III]

Sad.





Really, this situation is just sad as fuck.

[Phoenix Dark]

Itll be interested to see if Trump getting elected will hurt retail in November and December (and hurt jobs).

He can spin that in his inauguration speech as "look at the Obama economy failing, Im here to fix it, and I have a mandate to act fast"

He then institutes all his tariffs.

Economy then follows 2008 timeline. Major falls over the summer with the bottom falling out in late September.

11% unemployment by December 2017.

Retail will be fine breh come on. If Americans like anything more than racism it's holiday season deals. 

But yea the economy is gonna have some issues. Trump doesn't need congress to blow up some trade deals. He'll be able to impact the market by...just speaking. And with China who-knows-when away from implosion, Russia buying food, Euro fucking up...we could have multiple crashes at the perfect time to throw the US off.

I figured a Hillary win=US econ continues to old man jog well enough to 2020, then we see what happens. Now...we're fucked.

[benjipwns]

Rachel Maddow is basically on the verge of tears doing her opening monologue, constantly choking up in her voice.

[Brehvolution]

If there was any silver lining to this, it is that my 2 daughters get a front row seat to the conservative agenda before they get to have it affect them. 1 new voter in '18 and another in '20.

 They had it too good for too long.

[Himu]

Where's Tasty? Dude's been missing for a bit.

Meh, I've come to accept it. The US will always side eye arabs and this election just confirmed that it'll keep going. Me and my brother made a pact to not discuss nor follow politics for the next 4 years. I can't vote yet, he can but won't let anything get to him till he can try again.

So for the most part we'll be talking about vidya, movies, music and other dumb shit cause why hand wring? What's done is done and all you can do is vote in the future.

Uhhhh tell your brother that one of the reasons republicans got this strong hold is because of prior mid term wins. If you only vote in presidential elections you're part of the problem. Hate to put it that way but more need to be educated on this. The next battle is 2018, not 2020. Though dems have a high likelhood of getting fucked there.

[Phoenix Dark]

Rachel Maddow is basically on the verge of tears doing her opening monologue, constantly choking up in her voice.

"Do you see this tear? It came from my left eye. Now I want you to look at this photo...yes, it's of a movie film reel. Well the film I'm going to talk to you about is not that, exactly. It's called the precorneal film. It covers your eyes and makes you, well, cry. That's what my left eye is doing right now. So the question you're probably asking yourself is, where did this tear come from? I want you to look at this photo. It may look like abstract art but in actuality it is...you guessed it, the Lacrimal apparatus. It's where tears are manufactured, including the one from my left eye. Why does this matter? I'll tell you after the break."

[Brehvolution]

The only thing that would make 2016 great again would be a new Cruncheons podcast.

Let's get the band back together.

[Freyj]

I really can't even comprehend the couple of Bernie Bros proudly supporting Trump at work.

[benjipwns]

"Do you see this tear? It came from my left eye. Now I want you to look at this photo...yes, it's of a movie film reel. Well the film I'm going to talk to you about is not that, exactly. It's called the precorneal film. It covers your eyes and makes you, well, cry. That's what my left eye is doing right now. So the question you're probably asking yourself is, where did this tear come from? I want you to look at this photo. It may look like abstract art but in actuality it is...you guessed it, the Lacrimal apparatus. It's where tears are manufactured, including the one from my left eye. Why does this matter? I'll tell you after the break."

[benjipwns]