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[Cerveza mas fina]

360 started with JRPGS from the Final Fantasy man. PS3 had nothing.

Yet still 360 didn't do shit.

[Don Flamenco]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

They tried hard with the 360.  I felt like we were constantly seeing "look how hard we're trying with Japan" shit all up to the launch.

Yes, and they went about it the wrong way too.

*10 minutes of crickets*


OK SO WHATS THE RIGHT WAY HIMUMU


they have to go back in time and be a Japanese company.  Or accidentally hit on some dumb gimmick that Japan goes fucksticks over.

look at the ad yourself.

This is how they targeted Japan with the 360:

 

and set up galleries in the middle of Tokyo, had showings, got exponentially more Japanese dev support, got shmups, exclusive JRPGs, otaku visual novels, idolmaster, launched first, had spurts of sales when all this stuff came out, and eventually Sony and Nintendo were able to get in there and destroy it with old hardware (Nintendo) and a game system that should not have even existed in its shape at the time (PS3.)

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah 360 was more Japanese then PS3 in the beginning.

[Himu]

360 started with JRPGS from the Final Fantasy man. PS3 had nothing.

Yet still 360 didn't do shit.

The problem with this assumption is that ANY of Mistwalker's games have done tremendously well, no matter the platform. ASH on ds? "FROM THE CREATOR OF FINAL FANTASY!" lol bomba. AWAY: SHUFFLE DUNGEON on ds? "FROM THE CREATOR OF FINAL FANTASY!" lol bomba. We can do this dance on ds, wii, AND 360.

[Don Flamenco]

Maybe someone like Oscar has more insight, but from this perspective, it seems like there wasn't much objective reason for the 360 to fail there

[Himu]

Maybe someone like Oscar has more insight, but from this perspective, it seems like there wasn't much objective reason for the 360 to fail there

this is a good read

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-13-why-xbox-failed-in-japan

[hampster]

Why would Microsoft even bother with Japan this time around, it seems like consoles there are on life support. It's telling IMO that Sony is designing and announcing the PS4 in North America

Are people expecting the PS4 to blow past current Wii U numbers?

[Great Rumbler]

Are people expecting the PS4 to blow past current Wii U numbers?

I expect it to do better than the Wii U, but not that much better. It feels like Japan's going to be really weird on hardware side for the next few years at least. PS4 will plow along on the back of AAA multiplatform and exclusive titles, but Japan's software companies are already struggling to keep up with HD graphics, so I don't see more than a few companies putting in that kind of effort on console titles. 3DS is probably going to remain the king of this generation.

[Don Flamenco]

Maybe someone like Oscar has more insight, but from this perspective, it seems like there wasn't much objective reason for the 360 to fail there

this is a good read

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-13-why-xbox-failed-in-japan

I've read that.  It supports my "failure for no reason" theory.   They cite really dumb stuff like the Bill Gates talk or the system is too big.  That's the problem with Japan, there's always something.  You could offer free games with the console and they'll say "oh, you offered 2 free games...two is a multiple of 4, Japan hates the number 4.  That's why it's not selling, sah-ree brahhhhhh"

also, that's about Xbox 1.  The 360 effort was much stronger.

[Himu]

they did mention 360 in that article

[Human Snorenado]

What's really gotta hurt for lager and all the other twee yuropeen fegburts is that MS proved this gen it doesn't have to win Europe or Japan.  It just has to come in first in the US in the non-gimmick division.  Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

[archnemesis]

Are people expecting the PS4 to blow past current Wii U numbers?

It depends on the price, but I expect it to do have better third-party support and a stronger first-party line-up although the latter is entirely subjective.

[Shaka Khan]

Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

Newsfeed.

[fistfulofmetal]

Are people expecting the PS4 to blow past current Wii U numbers?

I would say it will most definitely perform better. The typical hardcore gamer still exists and wants a new thing.

[Don Flamenco]

they did mention 360 in that article

oh right, there was a lot about it.  read it a while ago, so i forgot.  But all that stuff still supports what I'm saying and I'm not sure how you think they can do more/try harder.  They can try again but I'd be curious to see how they could possibly flip the switch to make the 720 a competitor. 

Especially now that Japan has seen two Xbox consoles fail take off and lose support within a couple years. 

[Cerveza mas fina]

What's really gotta hurt for lager and all the other twee yuropeen fegburts is that MS proved this gen it doesn't have to win Europe or Japan.  It just has to come in first in the US in the non-gimmick division.  Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

How did it prove that? Still came in last.

[Great Rumbler]

What's really gotta hurt for lager and all the other twee yuropeen fegburts is that MS proved this gen it doesn't have to win Europe or Japan.  It just has to come in first in the US in the non-gimmick division.  Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

How did it prove that?

It proved it by the fact that PS3 is still totally irrelevant, despit that.

[Himu]

Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

 

[Himu]

What's really gotta hurt for lager and all the other twee yuropeen fegburts is that MS proved this gen it doesn't have to win Europe or Japan.  It just has to come in first in the US in the non-gimmick division.  Lick our star spangled taint, bitches.

How did it prove that? Still came in last.

xbox is number one in the largest game market.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I thought the largest market is the world, its last there 

[duckman2000]

I thought the largest market is the world, its last there 

You go girl

[Himu]

I thought the largest market is the world, its last there 

This generation doesn't have a solid winner in terms of global market in which every country is playing the top system and you know it. You're using ps2 gen rules in a generation where Nintendo is top in Japan, Sony is top in Europe, and MS is top in North America.

[duckman2000]

I thought the largest market is the world, its last there 

This generation doesn't have a solid winner in terms of global market in which every country is playing the top system and you know it. You're using ps2 gen rules in a generation where Nintendo is top in Japan, Sony is top in Europe, and MS is top in North America.

I know you don't work this way, but that last comment basically couldn't be beaten. Just a heads up.

[maxy]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/playstation-4-supports-move-but-not-dualshock-3

In short: DualShock 3 won’t work with PlayStation 4, but PlayStation Move will. “No, [PS4] doesn’t support DualShock 3,” noted Yoshida, “but it does support PS Move

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21/playstation-4-supports-move-but-not-dualshock-3

In short: DualShock 3 won’t work with PlayStation 4, but PlayStation Move will. “No, [PS4] doesn’t support DualShock 3,” noted Yoshida, “but it does support PS Move

Well thank God for that.

[MCD]

Europe? Only UK is relevant there.

[ManaByte]

Went to GameStop this morning and two distinguished mentally-challenged fellows were there wanting to buy the system because they saw it on the news. They aren't even taking pre-orders yet.

[archnemesis]

That's stupid. They're missing out on free money. Stores here have been taking pre-orders for a few months with a placeholder price ($1000+).

[maxy]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/sony-playstation-4-pricing-specs-not-final/

Despite showing a variety of games running on the newly announced PlayStation 4, Sony PlayStation's US head Jack Tretton says the console's "still in development in terms of final specs and design." He told All Things D as much in an interview this morning; the PlayStation 4's specs were detailed in a press release by Sony last evening, which detail the internals as an 8-core 64-bit x86 "Jaguar" CPU built by AMD, a Radeon GPU comprised of 18 "compute units" which push out 1.84 TFLOPS, and 8GB of GDDR5 RAM.

Tretton also said he "hopes" that the PlayStation 4 won't cost $599 at launch (the PlayStation 3 launched in two models, at $499 and $599). "When I think about the console, you open it up, you look at it, you certainly look at it when you insert a disc, but for most people, it's behind a cabinet or on a shelf somewhere and you spend all your time looking at the screen," Tretton said.

 

[Powerslave]

"When I think about the console, you open it up, you look at it, you certainly look at it when you insert a disc, but for most people, it's behind a cabinet or on a shelf somewhere and you spend all your time looking at the screen," Tretton said."


Not for me. I like to regularly eye on my consoles. Keeps things fresh between her and me.

[maxy]

kotaku is having fun


nice pic

[naff]

FUck no WipEout being made for this thing is depressing  :'(

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wipeout would have been amazing for launch, buy sadly shit like cllub drive will sell better to gearheads.

Id prefer motorstorm over it too, that game was great.

[AdmiralViscen]

If the 720 is weaker then it will mean that 3rd party PS3 games won't look as good as 1st party PS3 games unless Sony chips in on development. Even if PS3 comes out stronger than 720, which may not be so, unless it's outselling it 4:1 there is no reason for developers to target PS3 spec and leave the 720 in the cold. Especially when developers were making bank on 360 and not on PS3 for the most part.

And I say this as someone who really enjoyed yesterday's conference.

[Himu]

Motor storm Pacific Rift

Better than wipeout HD

[Cerveza mas fina]

I agree but they will still look and run better then durango then. I dont expect any dev to go out of their way though. 1st party will be the big dif, and it kind of was this gen already with sony exclusives looking better then 360 ones.

But if that the difference in 3rd party quality will be bigger then that between the 360 and ps3 then it will be a problem for ms.

For me that counts.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Motor storm Pacific Rift

Better than wipeout HD

Black people

[maxy]

I agree but they will still look and run better then durango then. 1st party will be the big dif.

But if that the difference in 3rd party quality will be bigger then that between the 360 and ps3 then it will be a problem for ms.

For me that counts.

Just in time.

http://ps4daily.com/2013/02/playstation-4-gpu-is-4-5x-more-powerful-than-ps3-gpu/
I love new console launches.

[Himu]

[Cerveza mas fina]

Joker 

[Steve Contra]

Maybe now they can make that Motorstorm game they showed in 2006

[AdmiralViscen]

I agree but they will still look and run better then durango then. I dont expect any dev to go out of their way though. 1st party will be the big dif, and it kind of was this gen already with sony exclusives looking better then 360 ones.

But if that the difference in 3rd party quality will be bigger then that between the 360 and ps3 then it will be a problem for ms.

For me that counts.

Yea and this gen it took 7 years for Sony to barely scrape to a tie in hardware sales and they are still distantly behind in software sales.

The more powerful PS4 is relative to 720, the more expensive it will be relative to 720, especially when you consider that MS already has a subsidized contract pricing model in place on the 360. The less Sony sells than MS in the early going, the less difference there will be in third party graphics.

Unless 720 is a Wii U+ I can't see this being a big deal outside of the message board types like us.

[Himu]

On a serious note I did not enjoy HD as much as past Wipeout's and I have no clue why. Maybe because I played the shit out of both PSP Wipeout's before I played HD. I enjoyed Hydro Thunder 360 more than Wipeout HD. It is a fantastic game though! And I have no legit problems with it. Just wasn't feeling it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I agree but they will still look and run better then durango then. I dont expect any dev to go out of their way though. 1st party will be the big dif, and it kind of was this gen already with sony exclusives looking better then 360 ones.

But if that the difference in 3rd party quality will be bigger then that between the 360 and ps3 then it will be a problem for ms.

For me that counts.

Yea and this gen it took 7 years for Sony to barely scrape to a tie in hardware sales and they are still distantly behind in software sales.

The more powerful PS4 is relative to 720, the more expensive it will be relative to 720, especially when you consider that MS already has a subsidized contract pricing model in place on the 360. The less Sony sells than MS in the early going, the less difference there will be in third party graphics.

Unless 720 is a Wii U+ I can't see this being a big deal outside of the message board types like us.

Fyi there is no subsidised plans in Europe. 

As far as minor differences go I agree no one will care but us.

[Cerveza mas fina]

On a serious note I did not enjoy HD as much as past Wipeout's and I have no clue why. Maybe because I played the shit out of both PSP Wipeout's before I played HD. I enjoyed Hydro Thunder 360 more than Wipeout HD. It is a fantastic game though! And I have no legit problems with it. Just wasn't feeling it.

Fair enough. I loved the vita one, did you play it?

[Himu]

Nope. Didn't know there was a vita wipeout.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Its structure is a bit weird but the game is solid as hell. Made think about getting one way back.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Motor storm Pacific Rift

Better than wipeout HD

Himuro knows what's up.   

Pacific Rift is way better than any Wipeout. 

 

[cool breeze]

Driveclub would've been more interesting if they showed off city racing.

and speaking of Wipeout, if only this were a racing track instead of some Killzone backdrop


I want Crackdown 3 to look like that.

If the 720 is weaker then it will mean that 3rd party PS3 games won't look as good as 1st party PS3 games unless Sony chips in on development. Even if PS3 comes out stronger than 720, which may not be so, unless it's outselling it 4:1 there is no reason for developers to target PS3 spec and leave the 720 in the cold. Especially when developers were making bank on 360 and not on PS3 for the most part.

And I say this as someone who really enjoyed yesterday's conference.

PS2 was the leader in its era but PC, Xbox, and even Gamecube ports looked markedly better.  But yeah, PS2 was setting and limiting the standard.  There were a couple PC/Xbox exclusives like Doom 3, Riddick, and HL2 that probably couldn't be done on the PS2.

I think anyone who's looking to buy a PS4, Durango, or continue to play on PC should be hoping the Durango is a powerful console within the same ballpark.

[brawndolicious]

Killzone looks like a really unsatisfying game. It does look good but if I want a generic gun porn shooter with scripted set pieces, I'll get call of duty. The shooting looked the same as anything from a decade ago.

I have no idea what Watch Dogs is actually about but like Assassin's Creed, the assigned missions seem to be better than the random side-missions which involve you getting the entire police force to chase you because you wanted to solve some small personal problems of people you don't even know. It always felt weird when you had to pick off or run away from rooftop guards in AC just because you had to deliver some packages in time or something (especially when the guards switch from British to Colonists in AC3). If you want to immerse me, you really have to pay attention to these details.

Witness and Knack seemed like all right games though. No game shown looked like it actually used the next-gen processing power for anything other than to make the graphics prettier (physics, AI, scope).

It does seem to me like the massively hyped streaming system will be useless as it'll still have that quarter second input lag that Onlive has if it's just streaming video (rather than just background textures/audio like I was assuming. I would rather just wait for the whole game to be downloaded while watching an episode of some show on Hulu or Netflix. Looking at the last couple gens, I'm expecting whatever OS features the next xbox has to blow away the competition.

[AdmiralViscen]

I don't think it was a substantial gap outside of those few exclusives and Max Payne or something.

I doubt Durango will be a turd, worst case is DDR4 8gb I feel. MS doesn't want to miss out on the PC ports that have sustained them. With a narrowing market there will be even less incentive than in the PS2 era to tweak stuff per platform.

I'll probably buy both either way.

[The Sceneman]

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I freaked out there for a second. Someone saying anything Motorstorm being better than Wipeout HD needs to be face fucked with a plasma cannon

[Himu]

Motorstorm pacific rift is a fantastic game.

[naff]

Never played Pacific Rift but the first Motorstorm was average and Apocalypse is one of the worst racers I've ever played

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

The first Motorstorm is balls and I never touched Apocalypse but imo Pacific Rift is right up there with PGR4 as one of the best racing games of this generation. 

I haven't liked a Wipeout game since.....god, I don't think I've ever liked a Wipeout game.

[AdmiralViscen]

Hopefully F-Zero GX is on PS4 stream when Nintendo goes under

[Cormacaroni]

what kind of budget are you thinking for Crackdown 3

[Smooth Groove]

If MS really would have to change the mobo for faster ram then oops.

Then again maybe a stronger GPU/CPU could alleviate some of this?

Sony really impressed me with the simple PC design of things.

Stronger GPU or CPU would do a lot more than alleviate

System memory is at the bottom of the list in terms of performance bottlenecks

It was just a big deal last gen because both systems had less than 1 GB

[Smooth Groove]

I'm excited about the RAM bump just as much as the next guy (assuming he's not a ninthing) but the way all the kids are running around and bringing it up at every turn is pretty laughable. It's like when everyone used to answer with
"CELL" to every question. It's officially a meme.

blah, guess I was just wasting my time

Can't wait to hear for five years to just wait for all the 8gb ram power to be unlocked just like the Cell's infinitely capable SPUs

[Eel O'Brian]

yeah, they shit out crackdown 2 and pissed away any goodwill from the first one, it tanked, thus no crackdown 3