Game

[mjemirzian]

So PS4 launch exclusives.

Knack - Looks like a Crash Bandicoot sort of game.
DriveClub - Bland racing game, might not even be 60 fps.
Killzone - Might be interested if it had mouse/kb support.
Infamous - Is this even a launch title? Looks ok if you like open world superpowers type games.

Launch is looking iffy if you already have a good gaming PC for BF4 or Watch Dogs. The combo of first party and console exclusive games will make PS4 worth it eventually, though. Just need to wait for Naughty Dog and Santa Monica to bring out the first party big guns.

[Himu]

Knack does not look like crash bandicoot.

I don't think Drive Club looks bland. The E3 demo had interesting looking track design (really sharp drift curves) and a beautiful track to show off. Drive Club is a wait and see but it is my current pick for launch game I'll pick up.

[demi]

Ya, please buy PS4 at launch. I need to hear all the stories of beta.

"This feature hasnt been added yet. Maybe later."

"My PS4 just made a whizzing noise. I think that's good."

[demi]

Just as a reminder, Sony released an update this very night for PS3 that is apparently fucking up peoples systems.

The same company who will be handling your PS4

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595421&page=4

[maxy]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-playstation-4

  

When it comes to the tricky issue of control and response, Killzone: Shadow Fall currently delivers a largely 25-30FPS experience with v-sync engaged, where a long overview of the forest tests the hardware most. A strong trace of input lag is felt when turning the analogue sticks - a quirk that hangs over from the Killzone 2 days. It's a delay in response that is impossible to ignore after playing snappier low-latency shooters, and at the default 50 per cent sensitivity for the X and Y axis proved tricky to adapt to. Migrating to the new and more shooter-friendly Dual Shock 4 controller isn't the cause here, as this is the only game we test with such problems. Rather, the issue is likely to be the result of latency being built up over the course of a long and complex rendering pipeline.

[Powerslave]

So PS4 launch exclusives.

Knack - Looks like a Crash Bandicoot sort of game

No it does not. Don't be that guy who reads something a few ignorant people say and then repeats it in order to try to show a resemblance of some sort of analysis.

[Huff]

lol powerslave offering advice

[Powerslave]

And?

[Himu]

He's right though. You have to be blind or have never played Crash at all to think Knack looks like Crash Bandicoot.

[mjemirzian]

Blind, ignorant Mark Cerny himself: "it's more like crash bandicoot for the gameplay"

[Powerslave]

From what has been shown, from what we have seen, everything except for that chase scene towards the camera which was indeed a crash bandicoot level type has not shown any resemblance towards crash.

[mjemirzian]

You could have made that point without personally attacking people over comments about a video game.

[Powerslave]

Sorry got a little carried away yeah I get heated about this kinda stuff cause crash bandicoot needs proper recognition. Though your use of 'about a videogame' doesnt really mash well since this is what we do on these sites. Get in heated arguments about games and the industry.

[mjemirzian]

No problem. Maybe my crash comment is more wishful thinking than anything. 

[Powerslave]

I see. Which is what I also initially thought it would be but I couldnt handle the disappointment of it apparently for so far being mostly a very simple brawler 

[Himu]

Yeah, I WISH Knack played like Crash. I'd get it at launch. At it is, it looks like God of War for kids.

[Diunx]

I wish Knack had faster gameplay or local coop.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I wish Knack was a new WipeOut but we can't always get what we want

[Diunx]

What do you think?

[archnemesis]

A new WipEout would be glorious. According to rumors Studio Liverpool was working on a PS4 version when they were shut down.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Wipeout HDer

[archnemesis]

The PS3 games aren't native 1920x1080. Instead they're using a dynamic resolution. HDer would be a fitting name.

[cool breeze]

that's why I hate that stupid killzone cityscape gif.  instead of a backdrop for a dull shooter, you could been racing hovercrafts around those buildings  :'(

All I appreciate about Knack is the idea that Sony wanted a family friendly game for the PS4 launch.  Back when the PS3 was first shown, it was stacked with shooters and slashers; Xbox One launch is similarly grim.  But Knack just looks rough.  Other Sony platformers like Tearaway and Puppeteer look way more interesting.

[Himu]

oh my god

[Great Rumbler]

[Diunx]

Fucking gorgeous

[cool breeze]

This is such a dumb thing to complain about...BUT! I hope that light strip turns off when the console is off.  Enough with red glowing dots; I know my console is off and getting power.  Xbox 360 is dark when it's off

Actually, if the PS4 doesn't require the camera, can you turn off the controller's lightbar? shit's distracting if you have a glossy TV, and what other purpose would it have.

[ferrarimanf355]

You don't need the camera on the PS4, so it's likely you can turn off the gamepad's light bar thing.

[mjemirzian]

PS4 Won't Support Analog-AV Output, HDMI Only

[Smooth Groove]

PS4 Won't Support Analog-AV Output, HDMI Only

No next-gen for Himu chan!

[Himu]

PS4 Won't Support Analog-AV Output, HDMI Only

Fucking stupid. Smh Sony. I raged when MS did it and I'll rage when Sony does it. Fucking stupid despite my having an HDTV.

[Diunx]

My PS2 component cables :'(

[Himu]

It's okay, Diunx. My raging is only for you poors. Hopefully hdtv adoption rate in non-first world countries is high by 2020.

[mjemirzian]

If you want to record video output on ps4 or x1 you need to get an HDMI to analog downconverter or find an HDCP stripper box.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Component in 2013? Come on himu 

[Himu]

I use hdmi for my electronics, Lager.

[Don Flamenco]

i use component, just cause I don't want to have a separate set of cords for when I wanna hook up my headphones.   as if there's a huge difference, maybe the IQ is a little softer.

[cool breeze]

The new Xbox Slim only supports composite and HDMI.  No middle component or VGA  :'(

hey, there's always Wii U.

If you want to record video output on ps4 or x1 you need to get an HDMI to analog downconverter or find an HDCP stripper box.

yeah, curious if the streaming functionality on both consoles will replace the need for that; for some, at least.  Video quality to twitch/ustream/youtube/etc. won't be as good as directly captured.  Can't remember if Sony or Microsoft mentioned locally storing video.  And we don't know what restrictions might be applied.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Which electronics? I have like 3/4 hdmi ins on my budget tv btw

[Himu]

samsung hdtv, laptop, satellite box, consoles. I don't give a fuck for my sake that the new consoles only have hdmi. But because I'm not a selfish prick I try to think of the people who have to buy hdtvs just to play some vidya. It's crazy how premium this hobby has become.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I dunno Himu, the only people I know without an HDTV are my 86 year old grandparents in Poland.

Having an HDTV is not that premium, since for a few year already you aren't even able to buy any other kind. I don't think I've seen an SDTV in a store since 2008.

If you don't have HDMI there is a product MS and Sony have for you, it's called the PS3 and 360.

[Himu]

Hahaha, yeah. "If you don't have an hdtv, why don't you stick with 360 and ps3 [which are hd consoles]?" is so cute.

[chronovore]

Aren't there cheap solutions which take HDMI input and then convert to RCA / RF modulator output? Doesn't the HDCP resident in that hardware? It would have to be.

Part of going with HDMI only is also limiting the range of devices for which it's inherently possible to display these games. The last game I worked on, I pointed out how bad the menu patterns were moiré patterning on SDTVs, but the publisher didn't care a lick. Remember when Dead Rising 1's mission description text was not legible on SDTVs? People were pissed. Guess what, it's not supported any longer, so it's one less problem to develop against.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Chrono makes a good point.

I remember we had to test all games in SD aaaand HD. This basicly doubles testing time and costs.

[Great Rumbler]

Now instead of worrying about those people complaining, they can just not make a sale to them at all.  PHEW.

And thus the videogames industry was saved!

[ManaByte]

Gamestop now taking "unlimited" pre-orders:
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/55039/sony-to-gamestop-the-flood-gates-are-open-for-ps4-system-reserves

[mjemirzian]

There are cheap solutions but they'll look like crap.

Premium downconverters that preserve image quality like HDFury cost quite a bit.

Or you can try getting a "hdmi splitter" from China that happens to coincidentally strip the HDCP protection.

[Trent Dole]

Gamestop now taking "unlimited" pre-orders:
http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/55039/sony-to-gamestop-the-flood-gates-are-open-for-ps4-system-reserves

Hah no guarantees of having your machine at launch or anytime soon after I'd wager.

[cool breeze]

More information came out about PS Plus on PS4.  Similar to the Xbox One change (iirc?) one 'premium' account covers the entire system.  Meaning, if one person had PS Plus, every account on that system can play online.  Not all free to play games require PS Plus (DC Online and Planetside 2 are two that don't, both sony games).  Cross game chat doesn't (also, cross game chat is a new addition?).  Media features don't; netflix, amazon, et al.  (Sony needs to get HBO Go support).  Automatic updates don't require PS+ anymore.

Other than usual PS+ benefits, it sounds like only online gaming is behind the paywall, and possibly cloud saving.

And they clarified that Drive Club PS+ edition.  It's the "full game" limited by content, not features.  Doesn't include all the cars or tracks, which can be purchased individually, or a single 'upgrade' fee.  Only available for the 'first year' (end of 2013 or until November 2014?).
 

[ManaByte]

Is Netflix still behind the paywall on XBL?

[Positive Touch]

yes it is, and i am SOOO glad that it wont be on ps4. i wasted plenty to have a gold sub just so my wife could watch netflix.

[Himu]

Getting DriveClub at launch.

The drifts sold me.

[archnemesis]

The free version is missing content. If you want all cars and tracks you need to pay for them.

[maxy]

Maybe he likes boxart

[cool breeze]

That drift 'ticker' is right out of PGR.  Overall it looks to be in that PGR/GRID area of not too sim, not too arcade.  If it does end up feeling like a proper PGR successor from the PS+ version, it might be the game I get at launch.  I hope there are city tracks in there; the track shown with Forza 5 looks amazing.

[Himu]

Yeah they're really really aiming at PGR.

Read this, impressions from fastest E3 driver:

Let me get one thing out of the way: I played this game at E3 and had a couple of great chats with Rushy and some of his developer colleagues on location. They explained many features and talked about Evolution Studios' vision on racing development. No Doritos or Mountain Dew were involved )



It sure does look, feel and play a lot like PGR, while maintaining its own identity. The set-up is great: not just the way you can join clubs (max. 12 people each), but also how events work. Aside from racing for positions, you can score a lot of points at certain points on the track, like achieving a high average speed, taking the best line through a set of corners perfectly or achieving a high drift score. The system for this can be compared somewhat to PGR's Kudos, except it constantly gives you a target in the form of a friends'/rival's score to beat. The best thing about this is that you can contribute to your (team) score even when in last position, but simply driving with style! Sounds familiar?



The demo track was a circular route consisting of actual roads in Scotland, connected in a triangle shape, forming an all-round track with long straights, a hairpin, some fast combinations, a chicane and two devilishly hard to judge final corners. The selection of cars ranged from an Audi R8 and a Pagani Huayra to a McLaren MP4-12C and a Hennessey Venom GT. It's not really hard to get a feeling for the handling, though you do need to focus to really get it right. Estimate braking for the next corner, turn in and the right time and time the throttle input to either stick the tail out or dash off cleanly. There's great force and visual feedback (noticeable by the lack of sound in the noisy demo room) to get a feel for your car, such as the way the camera gets a bit closer to the action when braking (like your head would in a real car)



It's an arcade racer in the same way PGR is - easy to pick up, but to get the best out lap times you'll have to respect the realistic core of the driving physics and each car. For instance the McLaren allowed for much higher cornering speeds than the Hennessey, which was in turn a lot faster in a straight line. One point of criticism, though: the crashes appeared to be a bit samey - whether I came at a wall with 80 or 150 mph, full frontal or from a three-quarter angle, all seemed to result in the same spin.



Still, the demo I played gave me a taste of something I would buy a next-gen console for: an accessible yet challenging arcade racer with an emphasis on stylish driving and multiplayer, while showing off killer looks - high-polygon cars, truly realistic lighting. I went over to a GT6 pod later that day and it just didn't feel as convincing in terms of looks. Sure there's the difference of generations, but it just goes to show what a strong sensation Driveclub delivers.



I want this game in my life, now.

If the final game looks like this



Yeah, they aren't going for sim, but they're not going for full arcade either. Seems perfect medium. That drift

[mjemirzian]

Looks like a pretty solid launch game. Thanks for posting, hadn't seen those vids or impressions.

[Himu]

Yeah looks like the most quality launch game of the two systems to me. But I am a big fan of racing games near launch.

The art design

The sunset

[Himu]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=65916611&postcount=2013

[maxy]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66210941&postcount=1

The Order: 1886 is rendering and displaying in 1920x800 instead of 1920x1080.

Apparently black bars are more "filmic".