Author Topic: Game Of Thrones S4: Her name isn't Khaleesi (Read 75943 times)

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #60 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:58:51 PM »

you're sounding like zephyr right now. the change will amount to fuck-all in the grand scheme of things.

Himu · « **Reply #61 on:** February 10, 2014, 03:59:23 PM »

Yes it will matter.

Payne is the man who chopped off Ned Stark's head. And you replace him with Bronn?

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #62 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:09:12 PM »

Because his story and subplot are are not important. They don't affect the main narrative. You can accomplish every single important story point without his character.

It's a nice touch he's used later on but by doing this they are consolidating characters and making the story-telling more efficient for a TV show.

Himu · « **Reply #63 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:13:52 PM »

He's not important to the main plot, but ASOIAF is about the characters and their development. Payne has a huge big role, I find, in a certain knights character development. I don't see Bronn replacing Payne. More than that, changes just to make changes is why season 2 was flawed as fuck compared to the

worthy Clash of Kings.

Easier to recast than fall into a narrative hole. Recast Payne.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #64 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:16:18 PM »

Bronn is a sellsword. He does what he is paid to do. If he is paid to keep quiet, he'll keep quiet. End of story.

Himu · « **Reply #65 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:21:39 PM »

Keep quiet? Ilyn Payne does more than keep quiet. He's a cripple. He can't talk. More than that, Bronn is no longer a sells word. He has a title and rank.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #66 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:22:09 PM »

I mean it's not a change for the sake of making changes. They changed it because there's likely no way to fit Bronn into the story as is, because his sub plot is fairly minor in the books from this point. He's a fan favorite on the show so they are putting him in so he can have screentime and have something to actually do.

It's not the same situation as The Mountain because The Mountain NEEDS to be there. His role is critical for story purposes. Payne is not. Bronn goes in. Story-telling becomes more efficient. TV viewers win.

Himu · « **Reply #67 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:23:15 PM »

I pee on that and disagree.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #68 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:25:48 PM »

cry more then i guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Himu · « **Reply #69 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:26:42 PM »

I will! They've already massacred my fave.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #70 on:** February 10, 2014, 04:55:01 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on February 10, 2014, 04:21:39 PM

Keep quiet? Ilyn Payne does more than keep quiet. He's a cripple. He can't talk. More than that, Bronn is no longer a sells word. He has a title and rank.

What title does he have in the show, outside of being a knight with no lands? Who cares. He's not going to say shit. And this allows the show to keep a popular character around. No one cares about Payne. And I'd imagine they can still deal with the rest of Bronn's story later.

It's a meaningless change. Besides, Jaimie talking to a deaf person and having an internal monologue wouldn't work on television as well as him trading banter with Bronn.

Himu · « **Reply #71 on:** February 10, 2014, 05:05:53 PM »

Payne is not deaf, he's mute. There was no reason to care about Payne at this point in SoS either.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #72 on:** February 10, 2014, 05:21:29 PM »

And? It's an inconsequential change, nerds.

anyway

Himu · « **Reply #73 on:** February 10, 2014, 05:31:03 PM »

Shepherd boy

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #74 on:** February 10, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »

Looks like they're speeding up PAWGleesi's storyline?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #75 on:** February 10, 2014, 10:36:48 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 10, 2014, 09:32:46 PM

Looks like they're speeding up PAWGleesi's storyline?

Not too much. From what we know:

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She's going to capture Mereen and begin to rule, as in ASOS. This season will end with her first ADWD chapter, ie the sheep herder presenting the charred bones of his daughter to Dany.

I'd bet that next season's big episode 9 moment will be Daznak's Pit. And after seeing this...

I'm no longer concerned about them pulling it off. It'll be crazy.

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El Babua · « **Reply #76 on:** February 10, 2014, 11:28:47 PM »

Speaking of "Episode 9 moments"

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The guy who plays Loras specifically mentions that episode 9 always had the big moment, while in season 4 it's a lot more even throughout. I feel that episode 10 will arguably bigger than 9.

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Himu · « **Reply #77 on:** February 10, 2014, 11:30:04 PM »

Season 4 will be more even because it is the second half of ASOS and after the Red Wedding ASOS never stops being baller.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #78 on:** February 10, 2014, 11:57:06 PM »

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on February 10, 2014, 11:28:47 PM

Speaking of "Episode 9 moments"

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The guy who plays Loras specifically mentions that episode 9 always had the big moment, while in season 4 it's a lot more even throughout. I feel that episode 10 will arguably bigger than 9.
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Yup. I'm guessing:

ASOS/ADWD

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-Tywin's death
-Jon becomes LC (the battle is in episode 9)
-Shepard presents the charred bones to Dany
-"Only Cat"
-Lady Stoneheart reveal as the final scene

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #79 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:05:50 AM »

i am so excite for

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Sansa building the snow castle

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best scene + chapter in the books

shit on your faves

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #80 on:** February 12, 2014, 02:57:15 AM »

That seems like the type of scene they'll fuck up. I hope I'm wrong.

Himu · « **Reply #81 on:** February 12, 2014, 03:43:42 AM »

Reek 1 is the best chapter in the series.

Diunx · « **Reply #82 on:** February 13, 2014, 12:19:06 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on February 10, 2014, 03:39:37 PM

Just recast Ilyn Payne.

By not recasting Ilyn Payne they also fuck up the character of the best knight ever.

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two crippled men on a journey together. NEEDS to happen. Ilyn Payne and Jaime GOAT Lannister duo need screen time. Fuck replacing Bronn with Payne. What happens when Bronn marries the girl who was raped and kills off Cersei's assassins? That's a total win moment for Bronn. Do this and you make Jaime's character development lesser.
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More than that, Ilyn Payne is on Arya's list. It would be distinguished mentally-challenged to replace Bronn with Payne.

They can't be this short sighted.

Yep, everytime Loli's relatives paid a visit to Cersei you knew Bronn did some hilarious shit.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #83 on:** February 13, 2014, 12:43:25 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on February 10, 2014, 03:39:37 PM

Just recast Ilyn Payne.

By not recasting Ilyn Payne they also fuck up the character of the best knight ever.

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two crippled men on a journey together. NEEDS to happen. Ilyn Payne and Jaime GOAT Lannister duo need screen time. Fuck replacing Bronn with Payne. What happens when Bronn marries the girl who was raped and kills off Cersei's assassins? That's a total win moment for Bronn. Do this and you make Jaime's character development lesser.
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More than that, Ilyn Payne is on Arya's list. It would be distinguished mentally-challenged to replace Bronn with Payne.

They can't be this short sighted.

nope
ASOS/AFFC

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It's not two crippled men on a journey "together" - Payne makes absolutely no development during the trip, and is largely there as a plot device for Jaime to talk out loud to. I enjoy those chapters but there is literally no reason why Bronn can't replace him. Whether it's Bronn making snide comments or Jaime paying Bronn not to say a word, ultimately Jaime will end up in the same place development wise. I see no reason to pay an actor to replace a character that doesn't even play a central role in the books. Bronn is great on screen, I think the show will be better off with him taking Payne's place.

They can simply move Bronn's later plot back a bit. Maybe Bronn trains with Jaime in KL for a bit, Cersei pries him away from Tyrion, he marries Lady Stokeworth (or whoever the show replaces her with, it doesn't matter), then heads off with Jaime. He comes back to KL next season, names his son after Tyrion, and off we go. Nothing is lost.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #84 on:** February 16, 2014, 09:06:19 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #85 on:** February 16, 2014, 11:56:57 PM »

Why are they showing Tyrion's trial so much?

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #86 on:** February 18, 2014, 11:51:27 PM »

Has to be weird for non book readers to see Tyrion on trial for 20% of these trailers, right? Like there isn't any reason for him to be there as far as anyone only watching the show could tell. Don't understand why it's such a big focus in these trailers.

Diunx · « **Reply #87 on:** February 19, 2014, 12:26:23 AM »

He'll probably spend most of the season at trial.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #88 on:** February 19, 2014, 03:53:50 PM »

They're showing the trial so much because WHY IS TYRION ON TRIAL is a pretty big selling point.

helios · « **Reply #89 on:** February 19, 2014, 04:07:20 PM »

Tyrion has been on trial since birth

Purple Filth · « **Reply #90 on:** February 19, 2014, 05:33:30 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 19, 2014, 03:53:50 PM

They're showing the trial so much because WHY IS TYRION ON TRIAL is a pretty big selling point.

Plus more of peter dinklage being awesome

Himu · « **Reply #91 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:06:18 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 19, 2014, 03:53:50 PM

They're showing the trial so much because WHY IS TYRION ON TRIAL is a pretty big selling point.

true

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #92 on:** February 19, 2014, 07:19:32 PM »

To punish those who don't read, I assume

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #93 on:** March 09, 2014, 09:09:29 PM »

Diunx · « **Reply #94 on:** March 09, 2014, 10:09:36 PM »

The Titan

chronovore · « **Reply #95 on:** March 17, 2014, 03:15:04 AM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #96 on:** March 19, 2014, 01:09:35 AM »

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #97 on:** March 19, 2014, 04:03:18 AM »

More shitty book to show changes in the most recent GoT trailer today.

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Brienne is now searching for ARYA... for some reason? I guess? They must be totally writing out the Stoneheart arc.

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El Babua · « **Reply #98 on:** March 19, 2014, 11:17:17 AM »

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 19, 2014, 04:03:18 AM

More shitty book to show changes in the most recent GoT trailer today.

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Brienne is now searching for ARYA... for some reason? I guess? They must be totally writing out the Stoneheart arc.
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Well they're not gonna say she's looking for Sansa in a pre release trailer.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #99 on:** March 19, 2014, 12:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on March 19, 2014, 11:17:17 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on March 19, 2014, 04:03:18 AM
More shitty book to show changes in the most recent GoT trailer today.

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Brienne is now searching for ARYA... for some reason? I guess? They must be totally writing out the Stoneheart arc.
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Well they're not gonna say she's looking for Sansa in a pre release trailer.
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Exactly. Who cares.

ASOS/AFFC

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Mentioning Sansa would be a spoiler to non-book readers, who would say "but isn't Sansa in King's Landing?" I'd imagine that scene is edited for the trailer, and afterwards he mentions Arya is believed dead, and asks Brienne to find Sansa.

But if it's a change and he does indeed want her to find Arya...what difference does it make? It has no bearing on the narrative, doesn't change anything important, and would be a completely irrelevant change; Brienne doesn't find Sansa so it doesn't matter. I really don't like book readers who get upset over even the most minor shit.

Hell most book readers hate Brienne's AFFC chapters anyway.

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book purists

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #100 on:** March 19, 2014, 07:50:04 PM »

I don't. Some of GRRM's best writing ever is in those chapters so fuck that shit.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #101 on:** March 19, 2014, 07:59:01 PM »

By the way it doesn't look like it was changed at all. Zephyr is just bad at paying attention.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #102 on:** March 19, 2014, 08:16:37 PM »

It's not a change Zeph...it sounds like that audio is like half of a piece of dialogue, to prevent spoilers from being in the trailer.

Also...even if it was a change, what difference does it make.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #103 on:** March 19, 2014, 08:25:59 PM »

Book purists =

Himu · « **Reply #104 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:27:58 PM »

I don't see the problem so far? The "issue" is obvious, Zeph.

major spoilers

ASOS

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Brienne and Jaime don't arrive to KL until the night of Joffrey's passing, or perhaps the day after in the book. On the show, they arrive much, much earlier enough for Brienne to actually MEET Sansa. But right now Arya is the one that's missing and presumed dead, not Sansa. Brienne will leave for Sansa after Joffrey's wedding, when Sansa escapes.

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Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 19, 2014, 08:25:59 PM

Book purists =

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I'm not really a book purist unless it involves Jon or Jaime because they're the GOAT characters. I get antsy if it involves them. You're lucky your fave is Tyrion, because he's made off with few changes.

Himu · « **Reply #105 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:38:03 PM »

Yeah. See? Tyrion always makes off better. But Jon?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #106 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:40:25 PM »

The books are the books, the show is the show. As long as the general essence of the story and tone are respected, I'm fine. My problem is when changes (or non-changes) lead to bad television, which has been the case on more than a few accounts (Dany in Qarth, everything about Jon in S2, etc).

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #107 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:42:56 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 19, 2014, 09:38:03 PM

Yeah. See? Tyrion always makes off better. But Jon?

I have no idea what they're doing with Jon's storyline at this point. The

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Battle at the Wall is turning into a skirmish with just plain wildlings, it seems.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #108 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:00:39 PM »

The writers made the decision to spend that time developing Ygritte rather than use it on Halfhand, who was only going to be in one season. I understand the decision, it makes sense writing wise but I still think something could have been done to increase Halfhand's screen time. Even if it was one episode

Himu · « **Reply #109 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:08:45 PM »

Agreed with Awesome. Also, the lack of Ghost is completely absurd. They are supposed to tight knit and Ghost acts as a means that fixes all of Jon's characterization problems on the show. The core problem is this: in the book, you read all of Jon's thoughts. On the show, you can't do that. Yet, for some reason, they have Ghost wandering the north away from Jon. If Ghost were there, a lot of Jon's characterization - his honor, his loyalty to the watch, and the struggles he has - would be on display because Jon confides in Ghost just like how any of the other Stark children.

The characterization of Jon is a complete fuck up, top to bottom. And I refuse to hear any shit on being a book purist; they fucked up.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #110 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:13:35 PM »

waste your cgi budget on a direwolf following Jon around doing nothing, brehs

Himu · « **Reply #111 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:15:59 PM »

Jon's chapters in ACOK and ASOS are just 10/10

Himu · « **Reply #112 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:17:23 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2014, 10:13:35 PM

waste your cgi budget on a direwolf following Jon around doing nothing, brehs

Might as well do that for Summer and the dragons as well. Ghost is just as important to the character of Jon as they are to their owners.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #113 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:37:38 PM »

I'd rather spend my budget on dragons than direwolves, sorry. That's just basic sense. To make matters worse, the real life wolves they use are hard to control.

I agree about Jon's development in S2/Halfhand. As I said earlier, if changes produce good TV I'm all for it. Ygritte is cool, I think the actress has great chemistry with Kitt Harrington...but ultimately Jon and Halfhand being hunted through the mountains would have made for better television. Who knows, maybe they could have had Ygritte come with them for an episode to build her character a bit. Obviously a lot of S3 was spent focusing on their relationship, so I believe some of those scenes could have been cut from S2.

Obviously I'm a big fan of the books, less so of the show. It's just not something I get upset over. I enjoy talking to excited non-readers like my parents, who have their own predictions and favorite characters. I'd rather do that than sit around shaking my head and complaining at every minor thing that was changed.

Himu · « **Reply #114 on:** March 19, 2014, 10:41:11 PM »

To be fair, I think they did a lot better with Jon in s3. s4 proves to have promise but my inner book reader rages when I see some of the trailers and hear the stuff he says, because Jon in the book is not this weak.

I can understand your pov, but I'm in it to see my favorite moments in the books recreated on television, and the entirety of Jon's chapters in ACOK and ASOS are among my top favorite moments.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #115 on:** March 19, 2014, 11:25:34 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on March 19, 2014, 10:41:11 PM

I can understand your pov, but I'm in it to see my favorite moments in the books recreated on television, and the entirety of Jon's chapters in ACOK and ASOS are among my top favorite moments.

...that's not really how this works.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #116 on:** March 20, 2014, 12:39:27 AM »

I agree in the specific case of Jon season 2. That's about the only thing I think they've handled POORLY on the show. Most of the rest of the complaints are just people belly aching about their specific favorite parts getting altered or left out.

Basically, what I'm saying is

Himu · « **Reply #117 on:** March 20, 2014, 12:59:10 AM »

You're right.

I thought Dany season 2 was bad too.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #118 on:** March 20, 2014, 01:26:40 AM »

Just wait until they get to the point where Dany's source material isn't any good

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #119 on:** March 20, 2014, 07:24:10 AM »

I knew they'd have to change the. HOTU because if they did it as written it would spoil the Red Wedding (and other stuff). Reading something and seeing it can be quite different in terms of perception.

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Author Topic: Game Of Thrones S4: Her name isn't Khaleesi (Read 75943 times)