Author Topic: Game Of Thrones S4: Her name isn't Khaleesi (Read 76334 times)

Diunx · « **Reply #181 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:20:06 AM »

Chicks in the office digged the red viper, thinking about rocking his beard again now that a celeb is using it

Edit: anyone has a gif of the hoe that was making out with Obey's chick?

, theres probably one in the coli thread but I ain't reading all those pages.

Himu · « **Reply #182 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:31:17 AM »

Pretty blah first episode. Glad I watched Wrestlemania instead.

In true Game of Thrones fashion, they spend at least five minutes introducing a new character not through character development and history but through sexual escapades. Instead of having the nice talk with Tyrion as they head to KL's inner keep, and stories of Tyrion as a newborn, we get Oberyn grabbing a male prostitutes cock.

Next episode will

though.

The best thing about the episode is Jaime Lannister. Niko is doing such a great job and he's so dreamy with his new haircut. Since I henceforth abandon Jon Snow as GOAT ASOIAF character - especially due to the developments in the s4 opener - it's great that second best GOAT is getting the respect he deserves. Jaime fucking Lannister, bitches.

Himu · « **Reply #183 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:47:33 AM »

Oh. Forgot. New Daario is

Farewell my strong jawed-long-haired-I-could-stare-into-those-eyes-forever prince. Dany getting her vagoo wet for this new Daario isn't believable. It's just another guy with a beard.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #184 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:57:54 AM »

himu's right. new daario is total garbage. he's supposed to be warrior fabio, not bruce banner eric bana.

edit: seems like a bunch of people have said this already. also: cannot get over how much tv tywin rules

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #185 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:18:33 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 08, 2014, 01:31:17 AM

The best thing about the episode is Jaime Lannister. Niko is doing such a great job and he's so dreamy with his new haircut. Since I henceforth abandon Jon Snow as GOAT ASOIAF character - especially due to the developments in the s4 opener - it's great that second best GOAT is getting the respect he deserves. Jaime fucking Lannister, bitches.

Book Jaime has my favorite character arc, and I was pretty worried about them finding an actor that could portray that, but he's consistently knocked it out of the park so far.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #186 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:37:34 AM »

I'd say they did a good job introducing Oberyn. Do I like "hyper sexual foreigner" tropes, especially the cringe worthy "she will do nicely" line from his...wife? No. But overall it was good, from attacking the Lannister men to explaining what happened to his family.

I can't stand book readers who act like if a piece of dialogue isn't where it's supposed to be, everything is fucked. He can discuss the stuff you're referring to in another episode.

(and it's worth noting Oberyn is indeed hyper sexual, visits brothels, etc.)

Himu · « **Reply #187 on:** April 08, 2014, 10:04:08 AM »

Well, the show has a precedent for brothels and sex rather than character development at times so it isn't like people don't have a point. They could have easily just had Oberyn meet Tyrion outside the gates like in the book. Have their talk and then show a scene later with Oberyn at a brothel. But no. Oberyn in a brothel is the first thing we see.

I'm pretty used to it by now, but it still annoys me. Even if it fits Oberyn's character, it is hamfisted and predictable. I already knew Oberyn was at a brothel the second he wasn't immediately at the greeting. That's how predictable it is. Introducing a few characters in brothels is fine, but we are up to a very, very, very high number at this point and this has less to do with being a book reader who wants every line of dialogue replicated so much as it is someone who cannot stand the show runners have to appeal to lowest common denominator fodder in a show that has as much views as this one does. I dont think anyone really watches GoT for the sex scenes, do they?

Himu · « **Reply #188 on:** April 08, 2014, 10:34:27 AM »

Watch PD defend it.

Diunx · « **Reply #189 on:** April 08, 2014, 10:50:03 AM »

No one has the gif?

I agree with Himu about Obey and I know they'll probably use those lines in another episodes but then again the show has the tendency of completely butchering a lot of great from the books.

and man the killing of Raff in the show and the book really shows how far ahead talent wise GRRM is compare to the show writers

Beezy · « **Reply #190 on:** April 08, 2014, 11:28:41 AM »

Its great not being a book reader and not having to complain about everything.

Diunx · « **Reply #191 on:** April 08, 2014, 11:33:39 AM »

Your loss.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #192 on:** April 08, 2014, 12:27:59 PM »

http://www.dorkly.com/article/60831/pictures-of-game-of-thrones-actors-that-will-break-your-brain

This kid is hilarious.

Also, Osha/Tonks can get wild with me any day. Hey-o!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #193 on:** April 08, 2014, 12:30:27 PM »

What were your thoughts Beezy?

Himu: I agree that brothels are getting tiring, and you know I called this a year ago when I said they'd introduce him with a bisexual scene. But...it was a good scene, and if I was in control of writing his introduction I would have done something similar.

My problem with the show remains the lack of subtlety, but then again...there are a billion names and concepts for people to grasp. Maybe they don't have time for subtlety. My problems with the show are well documented, I'm not a slappy for it - in fact I often find it disappointing. But this was the best premier episode since the pilot, and nearly every scene worked. And Oberyn's introduction worked VERY well.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #194 on:** April 08, 2014, 12:37:11 PM »

The whole whining about overly sexualized shit is ooooold and the same people keep doing it, and they're not surprisingly the same people who put the books on a pedestal as something more than really good genre fiction. Y'all keep acting like they're shitting on Shakespeare instead of making choices that by and large are made as business decisions because THEY HAVE TO GET THE WIDEST POSSIBLE AUDIENCE FOR THIS SHOW, YOU FUCKING HALFWITS.

Name one character that has had a lot of sex/nudity/brothel shit on the show that that sort of thing WASN'T A MAJOR/PRONOUNCED PART OF THEIR CHARACTER IN THE BOOKS. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

My only real gripes with the show are how they've handled Jon overall, and specific gripes with Dany's WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS bs and the Tickler/Polliver switch up for Arya. The first one is a big complaint, the second two are just minor gripes and I understand why they did what they did with Dany, since the whole House of the Undying thing is so much more difficult to do in a visual medium.

etiolate · « **Reply #195 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:13:11 PM »

Arya was easily the best part of this first episode. Brienne and Jamie's "duty" being the other possibly interesting plot lines.

I've already uninvested in any storyline pertaining to a character that the show has built up, because I know that means they'll die. I don't have any interest in misery porn.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #196 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:34:23 PM »

Red Viper intro was great. If you don't like the way the show does certain things, read the books! If the show treated the characters like the book does it all their "character development" would be other people talking about them, definitely a good recipe for the show. I just can't wait for the show to save the boredom of the 5th book. I hope they go slash and burn and piss off all the people who complain about every minor change in the show.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #197 on:** April 08, 2014, 01:55:59 PM »

I think the fourth book will translate very well, simply because King's Landing scenes tend to be strong on the show, and the book has some really strong moments in the city. And remember, both AFFC and ADWD happen concurrently (until the last 300 pages of ADWD) so the show will mix them into one or two seasons. Probably one since there's stuff that can be cut or changed.

I'm pretty sure next season's "episode 9 moment" will be

ADWD:

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Daznak's Pit. Which is going to look insane. I used to be concerned about the CGI given how big Drogon will be...but the dragons are pretty big this season and look great! Also: Cersei's walk of shame.

So episode 10 would be Barristan owning everyone, Jon's situation, Tyrion's first two TWOW chapters (sheeeit), Dany getting found by the khalasar, and Varys revealing there are levels to this shit (rip Kevan).

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Steve Contra · « **Reply #198 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:03:46 PM »

I'm not sure how they're going to structure the next two seasons. They'll probably need to end season 6 with stuff from TWOW because if they stick to the books

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #199 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:05:14 PM »

Can't remember the timing of the books since I marathoned them, will we see

(Not sure what book this spoils)

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Arya get to Braavos this season?

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Steve Contra · « **Reply #200 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:11:58 PM »

Quote from: Spencer on April 08, 2014, 02:05:14 PM

Can't remember the timing of the books since I marathoned them, will we see

(Not sure what book this spoils)
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Arya get to Braavos this season?
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She boards the boat to Braavos

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Beezy · « **Reply #201 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:17:35 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on April 08, 2014, 11:33:39 AM

Your loss.

Your loss. I actually enjoy the show. I can read the books later on.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 12:30:27 PM

What were your thoughts Beezy?

Old Daario looked like a creep. I didn't expect him to get replaced, but I'm happy he did. I guess new Daario is the general look that women are attracted to today?

Oberyn's introduction was cool and made it obvious that he'll be an important character this season. Jamie's still awesome, Sansa is still whiny, etc.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #202 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:19:44 PM »

Nope, every girl that was at our party the other night were super sad the "pretty boy" was replaced by some bum looking motherfucker.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #203 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:20:58 PM »

Ah, thanks

Himu · « **Reply #204 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:46:01 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on April 08, 2014, 02:17:35 PM

I guess new Daario is the general look that women are attracted to today?

FUCK NO.

Quote from: Beezy on April 08, 2014, 02:17:35 PM

Quote from: Diunx on April 08, 2014, 11:33:39 AM
Your loss.
Your loss. I actually enjoy the show. I can read the books later on.

I enjoy the show AND the books. But the show does certain things that absolutely tick me off and make me roll my eyes.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #205 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:50:37 PM »

All the Theon and Bran stuff this season is from ADWD, so they're already splitting things up. I think they're going to turn AFFC/ADWD into one season, and S6 will mainly be TWOW.

To me there's one one problem with AFFC/ADWD, filming wise.
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Dany. Everyone else's arcs can be done well on television, but I don't see people being fine with Dany in Meeren for another season. The end of the arc is great (the pit, Barristan, finding the khalasar) but how do they get there? I'm sure they'll add a bunch of stuff so it's not just politics+fucking Daario.

I'd imagine they'll expand Daario's stuff to fill time; he does badass shit in ADWD off page...

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Himu · « **Reply #206 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:52:40 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 02:03:46 PM

I'm not sure how they're going to structure the next two seasons. They'll probably need to end season 6 with stuff from TWOW because if they stick to the books

They will probably combine both books 4 and 5. into two seasons. You can read both in order as they compliment each other in terms of concurrent events since they share the same timeline.

I think they will run into problems with things like Bran later.

Himu · « **Reply #207 on:** April 08, 2014, 02:55:18 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 08, 2014, 12:37:11 PM

Y'all keep acting like they're shitting on Shakespeare instead of making choices that by and large are made as business decisions because THEY HAVE TO GET THE WIDEST POSSIBLE AUDIENCE FOR THIS SHOW, YOU FUCKING HALFWITS.

Yet they won't show any cock and they replaced Daario with generic guy with beard A.

Fuck off with this wide audience shit.

The next time one of those vapid stuipd fucking scenes come up, see whose top is off. Count the amount of men who have their shirts off OR their pants off OR both this season. Since we're early in the season, this will be easy! Then count the amount of tits and vaginas you see.

As for the comparing to shakespeare bit, you sound pretty silly there.

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Himu: I agree that brothels are getting tiring, and you know I called this a year ago when I said they'd introduce him with a bisexual scene. But...it was a good scene, and if I was in control of writing his introduction I would have done something similar.

My problem with the show remains the lack of subtlety, but then again...there are a billion names and concepts for people to grasp. Maybe they don't have time for subtlety. My problems with the show are well documented, I'm not a slappy for it - in fact I often find it disappointing. But this was the best premier episode since the pilot, and nearly every scene worked. And Oberyn's introduction worked VERY well.

You are thinking that I think viper's intro was bad. It wasn't! The thing about the Lannister's and the speech to Tyrion had me fanning myself and

because DORN IS THE BEST FAMILY. My problem is that they introduced him with a bisexual scene. I have no problems whatsoever with them showing a scene with him eventually at a brothel. Or hell, bringing his own servant boy for those needs and having a scene about it later at the Red Keep. But instead of having a glorious march next to a red emblazed spear, we get "oh he's not here" (he's at a brothel, duh) (scene transitions to brothel, of course)

It is pandering and predictable. It gets repetitive and annoying. And they never show dick anyways so who gives a shit? It's like, the Lannister with the Viper, it HAS to be at a brothel? It just feels so forced. I wouldn't have a problem with if it had a modicum of being natural. It just annoys me that the first thing they think of when it comes to the Viper is his sexuality and his sexual escapades, which of course, is lumped into your lack of subtlety complaint that I too share.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #208 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:18:56 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 08, 2014, 02:52:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
I'm not sure how they're going to structure the next two seasons. They'll probably need to end season 6 with stuff from TWOW because if they stick to the books

They will probably combine both books 4 and 5.

This is what I'm afreaid of. Books 4-5 don't lend themselves well to a show structure at all. They have to shorten some shit (Like Martin SHOULD HAVE DONE) and throw in some stuff from TWOW.

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Can you imagine Dany's arc for two whole seasons

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #209 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:40:24 PM »

You're gonna have to explain how AFFC doesn't lend itself to adaption.
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Jaime: Amazing scene with Tywin's body, breaking up with Cersei, Riverrun siege, Blackfish encounter. All that shit is awesome.

Cersei: Everything will be awesome. Especially if they leave Lady Olenna in KL, the actress is great

Iron Islands: I'm assuming the show has cut Theon's brothers out. If not, they'll at least introduce one or two. Victarion would be pretty badass on television, although I can understand if they cut him. It'll pose problems later considering Dany is prophesied to marry him (or Euron), but overall that won't be hard to replace with something else.

Brienne: Pod and Brienne start their journey this season apparently. Should make for good television since I assume she won't have many scenes.

Dorne: There's no way the show will have 7 Sand Snakes. Perhaps Ellaria will replace Arianne's role, considering they cast a noteworthy actress. Regardless, the Myrcella plot will work in some form or fashion.

Arya: Will rock. Arya training, going blind, warging cats, etc.

Sansa: LF apprenticeship, will work

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Himu · « **Reply #210 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:50:55 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 03:18:56 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 08, 2014, 02:52:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
I'm not sure how they're going to structure the next two seasons. They'll probably need to end season 6 with stuff from TWOW because if they stick to the books

They will probably combine both books 4 and 5.
This is what I'm afreaid of. Books 4-5 don't lend themselves well to a show structure at all. They have to shorten some shit (Like Martin SHOULD HAVE DONE) and throw in some stuff from TWOW.

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Can you imagine Dany's arc for two whole seasons
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I imagine Dany's scenes in the future seasons will be similar to season 2.

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Steve Contra · « **Reply #211 on:** April 08, 2014, 03:58:34 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 03:40:24 PM

You're gonna have to explain how AFFC doesn't lend itself to adaption.
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Jaime: Amazing scene with Tywin's body, breaking up with Cersei, Riverrun siege, Blackfish encounter. All that shit is awesome.

Cersei: Everything will be awesome. Especially if they leave Lady Olenna in KL, the actress is great

Iron Islands: I'm assuming the show has cut Theon's brothers out. If not, they'll at least introduce one or two. Victarion would be pretty badass on television, although I can understand if they cut him. It'll pose problems later considering Dany is prophesied to marry him (or Euron), but overall that won't be hard to replace with something else.

Brienne: Pod and Brienne start their journey this season apparently. Should make for good television since I assume she won't have many scenes.

Dorne: There's no way the show will have 7 Sand Snakes. Perhaps Ellaria will replace Arianne's role, considering they cast a noteworthy actress. Regardless, the Myrcella plot will work in some form or fashion.

Arya: Will rock. Arya training, going blind, warging cats, etc.

Sansa: LF apprenticeship, will work
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AFFC is better suited, but not over 2 seasons (this is what I'm saying)

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None of the main characters really get a good conclusion in the books. Everyone is just waiting for some other shit to happen that doesn't happen yet, that's why I'm saying it doesn't lend itself well without at least a few of the conclusions from TWOW. Can you imagine Dany and Tyrion's storylines for 2 seasons? Of course not, they're boring and they end juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust as shit's about to hit the fan. Jon Snow? Great for 1 season, 2 seasons? Fuck that. I'm guessing Brienne goes off on her quest this season, and meets her end with Cat at the very end, Theon has already been introduced as reek so that advances that one quite a bit.

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Himu · « **Reply #212 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:01:35 PM »

Contra, if TWOW comes out this year as some are expecting, they can just make AFFC one season.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #213 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:12:14 PM »

They won't make AFFC one season, they have to combine the two books into two seasons. Also it aint coming out this year, sorry.

Himu · « **Reply #214 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:16:36 PM »

Yeah, that sentence criticizing the books as "genre fiction" is really fucking stupid.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #215 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:20:40 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 03:40:24 PM
You're gonna have to explain how AFFC doesn't lend itself to adaption.
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Jaime: Amazing scene with Tywin's body, breaking up with Cersei, Riverrun siege, Blackfish encounter. All that shit is awesome.

Cersei: Everything will be awesome. Especially if they leave Lady Olenna in KL, the actress is great

Iron Islands: I'm assuming the show has cut Theon's brothers out. If not, they'll at least introduce one or two. Victarion would be pretty badass on television, although I can understand if they cut him. It'll pose problems later considering Dany is prophesied to marry him (or Euron), but overall that won't be hard to replace with something else.

Brienne: Pod and Brienne start their journey this season apparently. Should make for good television since I assume she won't have many scenes.

Dorne: There's no way the show will have 7 Sand Snakes. Perhaps Ellaria will replace Arianne's role, considering they cast a noteworthy actress. Regardless, the Myrcella plot will work in some form or fashion.

Arya: Will rock. Arya training, going blind, warging cats, etc.

Sansa: LF apprenticeship, will work
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AFFC is better suited, but not over 2 seasons (this is what I'm saying)

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None of the main characters really get a good conclusion in the books. Everyone is just waiting for some other shit to happen that doesn't happen yet, that's why I'm saying it doesn't lend itself well without at least a few of the conclusions from TWOW. Can you imagine Dany and Tyrion's storylines for 2 seasons? Of course not, they're boring and they end juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust as shit's about to hit the fan. Jon Snow? Great for 1 season, 2 seasons? Fuck that. I'm guessing Brienne goes off on her quest this season, and meets her end with Cat at the very end, Theon has already been introduced as reek so that advances that one quite a bit.
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Ahh my bad, I see your point. My point was just that I don't believe they'll spend two seasons on AFFC/ADWD, given how much they're going to do this season. Mixing the books won't be hard, given how much they're presumably cutting, and will result in a good season with multiple "oh shit" moments.

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You're right, there simply is no middle point for Dany, Tyrion, etc. Unless they did something like ending S5 with Tyrion falling into the river, during the stone men attack....that would be a dumb decision IMO.

Brienne...I wonder if they'll end this season with her meeting Stoneheart? It would make a lot of sense. And then Jaime's S5 arc would end with Brienne finding him and taking him to "save Sansa."

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Himu · « **Reply #216 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:26:58 PM »

I'm curious to see how they do it.

TV watchers already struggle following current events (i.e. thinking Dany's name is Khaleesi)

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #217 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:30:37 PM »

Again, I'm assuming they're cutting multiple characters from AFFC. We aren't going to get

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all of Theon's uncles or all of the Sand Snakes. Bet on it.

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Himu · « **Reply #218 on:** April 08, 2014, 04:32:32 PM »

I agree. They'll more than likely cut characters. They did cut out the rest of Highgarden, such as Willis.

Himu · « **Reply #219 on:** April 08, 2014, 05:09:00 PM »

I thought while it lacked the emotional impact of the book it still managed to do its job. I'm more curious as to why they put it in a season opener and not at the end of the season. Makes me think we have something to look forward to Arya-wise.

Steve Contra · « **Reply #220 on:** April 08, 2014, 05:11:06 PM »

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Victarion can't be cut can he? Who would launch an attack on Meereen?

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Himu:

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Good point, I can see Arya ending up in Braavos and training at the end of this season instead of just getting on the boat.

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #221 on:** April 08, 2014, 05:34:22 PM »

I agree with you Shinobi, but remember they did a similar thing at the end of S3 where Arya killed the Frey guy. So while it wasn't as emotionally strong, it was still a great moment.

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Victarion brings nearly enough ships for Dany to transport her entire force to Westeros, plus he has an army. But remember, the Volantis fleet that's on its way is even larger than The Iron Fleet, and it's manned by slaves. If they revolt against their masters, Dany will have a shit ton of ships and new troops - she won't even need the Iron Fleet. So there's an easy way for them to cut Victarion without the ships/troops being an issue.

The bigger issue is that he's apparently one of the two people Dany will marry next. Do they plan on nixing that?

on a side note...what's up with the horn and what will it actually do. Why would Euron allow Victarion to use a horn that binds dragons to him? It doesn't make sense, considering he knows Victarion hates his guts. "I'm going to let you fetch three dragons and the most beautiful woman in the world for me, and then bring it all to me. Thanks bro...sorry for raping your wife." Nahh

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Steve Contra · « **Reply #222 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:00:23 PM »

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Victarion has the horn though, and we have no idea how that's going to play into it, so who gets the horn if not Victarion?

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #223 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 06:00:23 PM

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Victarion has the horn though, and we have no idea how that's going to play into it, so who gets the horn if not Victarion?
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Euron.

"Dragons," Moqorro said in the Common Tongue of Westeros... "Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all."

"Have you seen any others in your fires?" he asked, warily.

"Only their shadows," Moqorro said. "One most of all. A tall and twisted thing with one black eye and ten long arms, sailing on a sea of blood."

The true/light (Dany) and fake/dark (Aegon) dragons are clear. But a one eyed kraken...has to be Euron right? Some people believe Euron is hidden on Victarion's ship, or trailing him; remember, many of Victarion's ships disappear on the journey.

Why would Euron let his brother bind dragons?

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Bebpo · « **Reply #224 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:45:01 PM »

Are you guys getting all that stuff from the sample chapters from TWoW? How many chapters has he released? Sounds like he's given half the book away for free or something at this point, which is odd.

Bebpo · « **Reply #225 on:** April 08, 2014, 06:46:56 PM »

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And I don't see why they'd cut out the Iron Islands subplot. It's good, interesting material and probably pretty cheap to film and give them more material to work with.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #226 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:29:29 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 08, 2014, 04:13:41 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 08, 2014, 12:37:11 PM
The whole whining about overly sexualized shit is ooooold and the same people keep doing it, and they're not surprisingly the same people who put the books on a pedestal as something more than really good genre fiction.

Insert gif of Looney Toons character going into a berserk rage.

WTF does this even mean? Are you going to be the kind of person who pretends that some dude with half of GRRM's writing chops who writes some pretentious crap about growing up a gay white kid with micropenis in a rough neighborhood with a father who comes out as transsexual and a sister who reveals she was molested by their dead uncle and the kid goes off to war and learns the meaning of life and has to deal with DADT has automatically produced a greater work than A Storm of Swords because GRRM's book has dragons and the other dude's book is serious and "literary"?

Nah, fuck that noise. ASOS > more than half the stuff on high school English reading lists. I'd probably call it a top 100 book of all time, all genres.

Edit: I think Chichikov on GAF was the one who said some shit like if a science fiction work is good enough it stops being sci-fi. His type should be barred from critiquing anything, ever.

No. They're really not that good. The books are good, really good genre fiction, but classics? These things are no Gatsby, Lolita... shit, they're not even Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

Can fantasy books be incredibly well written and explore interesting, "deep" for lack of a better term themes? Of course they can. But the fact that you guys keep trying to make these things something they're not (classic works of literature) shows that you're grasping at straws, for the love of fuck.

In summation:

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #227 on:** April 08, 2014, 07:56:18 PM »

ASoIaF > Gatsby

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #228 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:29:27 PM »

Quote from: Spencer on April 08, 2014, 07:56:18 PM

ASoIaF > Gatsby

Anyone who seriously believes that is incorrect.

In other words, "You know nothing, Litscrub Snow."

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #229 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:35:55 PM »

ASoIaF is not as good as anything written by Faulkner, Hemmingway, Steinbeck, Tolstoy, Nabokov... the list goes on. It is not classic literature.

It is better than Lord of the Rings, objectively speaking, but it is not better than the first two books of Patrick Rothfuss' trilogy. So, it's really good genre fiction, but not anything incredible. LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING.

Bebpo · « **Reply #230 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:46:42 PM »

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 03:18:56 PM

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Quote from: Steve Contra on April 08, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
I'm not sure how they're going to structure the next two seasons. They'll probably need to end season 6 with stuff from TWOW because if they stick to the books

They will probably combine both books 4 and 5.
This is what I'm afreaid of. Books 4-5 don't lend themselves well to a show structure at all. They have to shorten some shit (Like Martin SHOULD HAVE DONE) and throw in some stuff from TWOW.

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Can you imagine Dany's arc for two whole seasons
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I think Season 4 = ASoS + a bit of others
Season 5 = AFFC/ADWD
Season 6 = AFFC/ADWD for about half, TWOW for latter half
Season 7 = TWOW
Season 8 = Ending

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Even with cutting there's definitely enough material in AFFC/ADWD for a season and a half.

Tyrion = Season 5 can end with Tyrion getting captured by Jorah, Season 6 is Penny, Moroqqo, the Pits, Second Sons ends with Battle for Mereen
Dany = Season 5 can end with Marriage, Season 6 Flying away at the pits, Dragonstone Field for an ep, Battle for Mereen
Jon = Season 5 can end with Sending Val off to find Tormund and death threats from Queen Selyse, Hardhome, Season 6 marriage of Karstark and sending raven to Stannis, Wildings meet w/Tormund, Moving Wildings, Betrayal
Bran = Who the fuck knows. There's not enough material. Maybe they make a filler story for S5/S6
Theon = Season 5 can end with Marriage of fake Arya, Season 6 = escape and battle for winterfell
Stannis = Season 5 can end with Capturing Asha, Season 6 = march and battle for winterfell
Kings Landing = Season 5 can end with capture of Cersei/Margery, Sesaon 6 = Time in prison for Cersei, Walk of Shame, Kevan/Pycelle death
Victorian/Euron = Season 5 ends with Kingsmoot, Season 6 = Sailing at Sea, battle of Mereen

And then the rest. There's definitely enough "happenings" to find a mid-point cliffhanger to end S5 on and a major big moment for S6 (Battle for Mereen and Battle for Winterfell being it for most).

Then Season 7 is TWOW. For characters like Bran, they can pull in TWOW material or they can just make up their own filler to stall.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #231 on:** April 08, 2014, 08:50:57 PM »

Because you enjoy it more than some classic work doesn't mean it's great. Enjoyability =/ greatness. So, no. I wouldn't say so.

I like the books a great deal but I'm not trying to make them more than they are.

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I will say they're better than anything Jane Austen ever wrote, but that's cause Jane Austen sucks sour dick. COME AT ME, MANDARK.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #232 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:03:50 PM »

I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

I like X-Men 2 better than Patton. But I'm willing to admit that Patton is a better movie. That in no way detracts from my enjoyment of X2, and I feel no weird urge to defend X2 as a classic film.

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Avatar is still b tier, THAT'S RIGHT COME AT ME BRO

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Himu · « **Reply #233 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:06:52 PM »

ASOS >>>> many high school required classic

The problem is that Triumph is comparing an entire series rather than individual books. Also, ASOIAF > Shakespeare. Reading Shakespeare sucks. They were made to be plays. Reading Shakespeare is much, much worse than reading ASOIAF series.

Many popular classic pieces of literature are genre fiction: Lolita, The Odyssey, Frankenstein, Alice in Wonderland, Oliver Twist, Pride and Prejudice, The Picture of Dorian Gray, The Great Gatsby, 1984, Lord of the Rings, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep;etc. All of these belong in genres. Because ASOIAF books are fantasy oesn't change a single fucking thing and arguing as such makes you look like an idiotic elitist who is separating novel genre in fiction just to serve their own twisted fucking distinguished mentally-challenged argument.

Himu · « **Reply #234 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:07:42 PM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 08, 2014, 09:03:50 PM

I guess what I'm trying to say is this:

I like X-Men 2 better than Patton. But I'm willing to admit that Patton is a better movie. That in no way detracts from my enjoyment of X2, and I feel no weird urge to defend X2 as a classic film.

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Comparing ASOIAF to X-Men?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #235 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:08:16 PM »

I guess I just don't rate ASOS as highly as you guys. *shrugs*

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #236 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:30:20 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on April 08, 2014, 06:45:01 PM

Are you guys getting all that stuff from the sample chapters from TWoW? How many chapters has he released? Sounds like he's given half the book away for free or something at this point, which is odd.

The stuff I mentioned was in ADWD.

So far he has read or released 9 sample chapters from TWOW. Most of them were initially in ADWD but were removed due to an editing decision to move the three major battles into the next book. The list of chapters:

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Arianne I
Arianne II
Barristan I
Barristan II
Tyrion I
Tyrion II
Theon I
Victarion I
Mercy I (I'll let you figure out who it is

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Mandark · « **Reply #237 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:37:55 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 08, 2014, 09:07:42 PM

Comparing ASOIAF to X-Men?

I'm not even sure which of the two you think should be insulted by that.

Himu · « **Reply #238 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:43:04 PM »

X-Men is a comic series I enjoy, but X-Men - especially the movies - has all the subtlety and nuance in its writing as a rhino in drag.

Putting ASOIAF on par with X-Men 2 is idiotic. We may as well put The Road on par with The Avengers at that point. After all, they're both genre fiction, hyuck!

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #239 on:** April 08, 2014, 09:50:17 PM »

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