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Himu

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“If I had to pick, I am a person more on the dark side like Xehanort and co., I harness the burning anger in my heart into what I create,” said Nomura. “Kingdom Hearts III’s current development explodes very much in this sense. Each time, it’s a battle with Sora and co. who are the exact opposite of myself, it’s been over 10 years and yet we haven’t reached a conclusion.

“This battle will surely last longer.

“In Kingdom Hearts III as well, I am scheming many challenges that Sora and his friends must overcome, because I myself cannot lose either. And in preparation for the great battle that lies ahead, we have this one book that looks back on their entire journey.”

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/10/nomura-is-harnessing-his-burning-anger-into-kingdom-hearts-iii/

:what  :holeup Tetsuya has gone insane.


Meanwhile Tabata continues to be awesome

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Tabata is definitely aware of the internet, at least. He found those pictures of Noctis and crew looking at stuff hilarious, so they gave out several other renders you can use to photoshop stuff with.

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ZephyrFate

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anyone who likes FFT should pick up Tactics maiden for iOS

Himu

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FFXV battle presentation.



Tabata says he wants to do something like this monthly to show fan progress
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Apparently holding the dodge button consumes mp so you can't do it indefinitely
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FFXV looks like a game I'd at least want to try, but on the surface is perhaps the most unappealing Final Fantasy I have ever seen. Normally I'm hype as fuck for a new mainline FF (that Agni's Philosophy tech demo had me hitting replay for a solid hour), but everything about XV looks bland and also-ran. Where are the colorful costumes, the wealth of unique character designs, the otherworldly landscapes? All we've seen is a handful of nigh-identical young men clad in black leather from head to toe traipsing around a very stock-looking open field or city environment. This is the kinda shit I'd expect from a FF spinoff, not a mainline entry.

Say what you will about FFXIII but at least the preview materials inspired more wonder and featured more imaginative design than what we're getting here.

Don't get me wrong I'm not totally down on this game, at least the music is still gorgeous.

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FFXV looks like a game I'd at least want to try, but on the surface is perhaps the most unappealing Final Fantasy I have ever seen. Normally I'm hype as fuck for a new mainline FF (that Agni's Philosophy tech demo had me hitting replay for a solid hour), but everything about XV looks bland and also-ran. Where are the colorful costumes, the wealth of unique character designs, the otherworldly landscapes? All we've seen is a handful of nigh-identical young men clad in black leather from head to toe traipsing around a very stock-looking open field or city environment. This is the kinda shit I'd expect from a FF spinoff, not a mainline entry.

Say what you will about FFXIII but at least the preview materials inspired more wonder and featured more imaginative design than what we're getting here.

Don't get me wrong I'm not totally down on this game, at least the music is still gorgeous.
This is a FF spinoff.

Himu

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I like it because it reminds me of FFVIII.

Also XIII looked like ass to me before release. I didn't see any sense of wonder or imagination with that game. The reveal trailer was some chick jumping into some boring sci-fi building fighting sci-fi soldiers.

What do you mean by otherworldly landscapes? FFVII and VIII aren't otherwordly for the most part and those otherwordly elements are almost never advertised in pre-release material of Final Fantasy because that stuff tends to occur ways into the story. It also depends on the entry itself. They both feature modern tech with a modern looking cast mixed with a unique blend of sci-fi and fantastical magic. That's what I'm seeing in XV. Don't see why anyone sees anything different. Looks like the same shit to me. Considering that XIII had zero artistic direction cohesion, XII was set in a high fantasy post-medieval setting, X was in a post apocalyptic tropical/islander setting, and IX was steam punk, I welcome it. Looks different yet familiar and looks to have 10000x the visual flair of 13.
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Yes, why would anyone see something differently than you? ::)

I feel like writing counterpoints to your post would be futile in helping you see my perspective on this, but here goes nothing.
I like it because it reminds me of FFVIII.
How? Only Squall wore a black outfit, the cast was varied and each character had a unique silhouette that made them distinct from the rest of the cast in more ways than just hairstyle.

Also XIII looked like ass to me before reveal. I didn't see any sense of wonder or imagination with that game. The reveal trailer was some chick jumping into some boring sci-fi building fighting sci-fi soldiers.
Before reveal? what does that mean? iirc the reveal trailer showed Cocoon, a massive city in the sky with abstract and colorful architecture. "some chick"? are you trying to sound as obtuse and ignorant as you can? Say what you will about her character but her design is pure badass. Finally a leading lady in games without excessive ass/cleavage. Even the co-star woman from the previous title, Ashe, despite being a great character, displays all kinds of ass in her key art.
What do you mean by otherworldly landscapes? FFVII and VIII aren't otherwordly for the most part and those otherwordly elements are almost never advertised in pre-release material of Final Fantasy because that stuff tends to occur ways into the story. They both feature modern tech with a modern looking cast mixed with a unique blend of sci-fi and fantastical magic. That's what I'm seeing in XV.
I don't agree with the comparison to VIII. Balamb Garden has a very alien design with the holographic elements and colorful, curved surfaces, ditto for many of the locales. Comparing it to VII seems apt though, maybe that's what they were going for with XV's art design. Both feature drab metropolitan environments and an emphasis on dark, machine-like backdrops. However VII had a decidedly more H.R. Giger flavor to it where XV appears to have no artistic influence beyond maybe an iteration of the boring garbage seen in Advent Children.

Look Hims, I know you're probably hype for this game, but try not to crawl up my ass when I want to make criticisms about what they're showing. Don't just pretend my points are invalid because you disagree with them.

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Yeah, Lightning's XIII design is solid as fuck. Easily my favorite female character design in the series.

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How? Only Squall wore a black outfit

well that blonde guy annoys me as much as zell

and he only appeared in like 5 minutes in the trailers!
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ZephyrFate

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Zell was one of two worthwhile characters in all of FFVIII. Get outta here.

Himu

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Hmmm, that post wasn't really meant to be as antagonistic as you thought it was.


How? Only Squall wore a black outfit, the cast was varied and each character had a unique silhouette that made them distinct from the rest of the cast in more ways than just hairstyle.

You're concentrating on color too much as opposed to what they're actually wearing. FFVIII is pretty contemporary. You can buy Squall's jacket now for 200 dollars. When FF8 came out, the same jorts Zell wore were pretty popular. Selphie's dress is something you can buy right now at a Thrift Shop for 20 dollars. Similarly, the clothing of XV's cast is pretty relatable, much like with 8. You've got suits and collared shirts and jeans cars and relatable technology that fits within our modern world. Noctis wears shorts and a basic black open shirt. I can buy that right fucking now at my local clothings store. Similarly, in VIII and to a lesser extent, VII, the characters wear clothes that fit the times: suits, black shorts with white t-shirts. I namely say 8, because 7 still has fantasy elements: the armor on Cloud's shoulder, never mind his belt. Vincent's entire attire. VIII goes the full gamut, and its main characters and npcs are people who wear regular clothing, more or less.

More than that, the characters are all pretty identifiable beyond haircut. Prompto doesn't look anywhere near like Gladiolus, for example. You've said that XV lacks any artistic vision when you've ignored the crucial and very deliberate fact that the good guys wear black.



Bad guys wear white.



So the black outfits actually serves a purpose beyond looking cool.

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Before reveal? what does that mean? iirc the reveal trailer showed Cocoon, a massive city in the sky with abstract and colorful architecture. "some chick"? are you trying to sound as obtuse and ignorant as you can? Say what you will about her character but her design is pure badass. Finally a leading lady in games without excessive ass/cleavage. Even the co-star woman from the previous title, Ashe, despite being a great character, displays all kinds of ass in her key art.

Meant before release. Have no idea why "some chick" would make you mad. Lightning isn't special, especially in FF. I love her design, it is great, I agree. But there have been more than a few Final Fantasy female lead characters that don't show ass. The best of which, Yuna, is covered pretty much from shoulder to toe in a conservative kimono. Other lead female characters, like Lenna, Faris, Terra, Celes, Aertih, Rinoa, Garnet (though she does have a donk) aren't showing off their butts at all, and acting like Lightning is some revolutionary design or even character for a series full of strong, kick assing ladies feels wrong, and is insulting to the franchise.

RE: Cocoon, I never liked the design of the place. It's too busy, too what the fuck. It's like they put a bunch of abstract crap on it just to make it look cool. I never liked the art direction for XIII, ever, and find that it has the worst character designs in the series. Snow's design is terrible. Hope's design is mediocre. Vanille's design is mediocre. Zazh's design is boring despite being a great character. Fang's design kicks ass.  I love Serah's design. I like what's her face Villain who dies too soon's design a lot. I think that's about it. XV's designs appeal to me more, is all.

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I don't agree with the comparison to VIII. Balamb Garden has a very alien design with the holographic elements and colorful, curved surfaces, ditto for many of the locales. Comparing it to VII seems apt though, maybe that's what they were going for with XV's art design. Both feature drab metropolitan environments and an emphasis on dark, machine-like backdrops.

Balamb Garden, while looking somewhat distinct, but it's hardly indicative for the entire game. Especially when we consider what's INSIDE the Garden's.

Classrooms.



Skating rinks.



Basketball courts.



Again. Relatable. Modern. Stylized, yet most decidedly contemporary.

The same is for the towns pre-Esther.

Newspaper/magazine offices.







Large modern hotels.



A place where you can take the train.







Or drive a car.







Oops wrong game. :yeshrug


This is...otherworldly to you? It's modern and stylish with a mix of sci-fi and fantasy. Like every FF. So you should probably give XV the benefit of the doubt because those sci-fi/fantastical elements are rarely shown in FF's pre-release.


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However VII had a decidedly more H.R. Giger flavor to it where XV appears to have no artistic influence beyond maybe an iteration of the boring garbage seen in Advent Children.

VII has only two cities in the entire game. Two. One of which you don't have access to for 3/4 of the game. the majority of it that you DO see is nothing but ghetto, spray paint, and garbage on the ground; the other, a high tech city with a giant cannon. VIII is chock full of cities that are similar to what we've seen so far in XV.

As for saying XV has no artistic influence, that just comes off as hyperbole, sorry. Lots of FF8 haters HATE this directly BECAUSE they find it so realistic.

You should probably wait for new info. Saying that a game that's been in development for 2 years, been in development hell, and just recently got playable gameplay and saying it has no artistic vision sounds...pretty silly and highly premature. Especially since the art direction is in the same area as the title you're currently playing. We don't know enough about FFXV to say anything about its more fantastical elements, but stuff like that is always revealed later on in the pre-release FF hype (if at all). So far, what we've seen is the equivalent of a demo. We haven't seen any towns or cities outside of the main one, and we haven't seen ACTUAL gameplay (i.e. exploration not just battles) footage from even within THAT.

I wasn't trying to be an ass at all. I actually think you were more of an ass I was supposedly being. Especially after you got mad when I called a fictional character "some chick" as if she's an actual person.
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Rahxephon91

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I really don't see how FF15 looks bland and also ran. While sure FF8 exists, it sure never seemed to be as cohesivly fantasy modern as everything shown in 15 so far. 15 does really look like a modern fantasy. Kind of like The Secret World or Vampires The Masquarde only of course with a Japanese eye and far more whimsical. Modern fantasy is so overlooked in video games so this is cool to me and also very fresh for FF. There's really nothing quite like it form what I've seen. What other big games seem to be to taking Italian sensibilities and mixing them with Japanese ones? Not many. So, so far to me 15 looks rather unique and very focused.

I think all the characters look good. Sure they all seemed to reflect what will be thier troupy character types, but at least I'm getting a sense of character from them. I didn't really get a sense of character from most of XIII's designs and I'm one of that game's biggest fans. I loved the art and designs from XIII, but I like the more restrained 15 as well. I do think it sucks that they all were black, but I do like thier relatable outfits.

Where are the otherworld landscapes?

I don't know, this place looks cool.


Still I get what you mean. Yet, from the recent stuff we've only seen that courtyard of a very euro fantasy mixed with skyscrapers city and an open viking feeling green field. I feel like the fields may be like old FF world maps in that they won't be too crazy and will link you to the more interesting places. Who know's really. The fields looked nice to me regardless.

I don't know. I think 15 looks good and Tabata's outreach is reassuring.

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I fucking love screenshots
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Himu

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That pic you posted is not otherwordly but I do agree that XV is more in the direction of modern fantasy than even VIII. But remember that VIII's more fantastical and sci-fi elements did not come until the third disc and weren't really in promotional materials. The same could be true for XV.
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Himu

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Also one thing I love about XV's trailers is that we get to see the characters personalities and it actually feels like they're best friends. XII's cast felt forced because the game wasn't even supposed to be about vaan and their goal isn't concrete the whole game. XIII's cast is terribly underdeveloped and never feels like a unified team. We haven't had an FF where it felt like the cast was natural since x. Until you count X-2. In the trailers for XV, they're already showing signs of being 1000x more interesting than XIII's. More than that, the premise of the game is a road trip rpg. That in itself is unique and should leave for interesting character situations.

Also reiterating Rah. Modern fantasy PLEASE. Fuck sci-fi and fuck traditional fantasy settings. Rpgs wore those settings out such a long time ago and it annoys me that even now that's the go to. And then when some developer has the courage to make a game that's modern, people call it generic. :yeshrug I don't get it.
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So I got all my tank raid gear from the first Binding Coil of Bahamut in FFXIV.
And I got my warbear mount for tanking 200 high level, 8-player raids.





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Himu

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Cool as hell
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Lucretius

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Cool as hell

I love FFXIV so much.  There are four more raids I haven't stepped foot in yet.  The Second Binding Coil of Bahamut.  Going to start doing that soon.  Although I really prefer the look of the tank armor from the first Coil (the armor I'm wearing) to the stuff from Second Coil.

I'm on the Brynhildr server if anyone ever wants to meet up on there. 
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fuck it soon as I fix my computer I'm buying this
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Lucretius

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fuck it soon as I fix my computer I'm buying this

It's fun as hell.
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Rahxephon91

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I guess it's fun as hell if you like playing the most generic mmo stuff possible.

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I image the fun will go up exponentially if you have a final fantasy boner
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Rahxephon91

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Nope, that did'nt help make the terrible and boring quest design feel like anything other then a low rent WoW clone.

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Nope, that did'nt help make the terrible and boring quest design feel like anything other then a low rent WoW clone.

How far did you play?  Did you get into any of the endgame raids/trials?
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Same thing could be said of Wildstar apparently.  You are never going to convince him the game is good when the lead up to the end game is horrible like Wildstar.

Since Lucretius started it, I may as well post my own character in different jobs.

My main job, Paladin:


Bard cosplaying as Amon



Spooky Scary Black Mages



Scholar reading a Moogle book



Summoner disagreeing with his pet



White Mage riding his steed on the beach



Paladin with slightly better riding privileges


Himu

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a behemoth mount :uguu
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Lucretius

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Very nice!  I main Dragoon. But have been focusing on my Warrior lately.
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demi

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And having one of the most abusable Limit Breaks in the game
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ZephyrFate

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Zell was one of two worthwhile characters in all of FFVIII. Get outta here.

Zell's defining characteristics were, in order, liking hot dogs, and being a complete moron.
Surprisingly, that's ALL it takes.

Rahxephon91

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I have an i90 Monk, Paladin, Black Mage, Summoner, and Scholar. I haven't done a lot of end game, but I have done some stuff. I'm not saying its terrible. Yeah, the dungeons and boss battles are fun, make no mistake. I just think the game has plenty of problems.






Trailer for FFXIV patch 2.4 - Dreams of Ice



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Watching these FF14 panel streams for a bit today and I get a pretty good impression that the FF14 ARR team is fairly organic, organized, and know pretty much what they're doing.  I was saying to Sunblade earlier that it seems as though that's exactly where the humour in the company probably went.  The EN/JP sides seem to communicate a lot and they seem to do it fairly well without people holding their cards super-close to their chests.

Also Masayoshi Soken, one of the composers, is giving me strong strong Tak Fujii/Swery65 vibes and I love it.  http://www.twitch.tv/finalfantasyxiv/b/579447058?t=2h49m50s

The team mostly looks like they get along and you can mostly tell that they're organized via answers they give at the panels or even the game itself.  You look at some of the other recent FF games in comparison and you get the feeling that they aren't completely cohesive, and as we know from postmortems of any game ever, that might be a fair indicator of a development team that doesn't communicate very well with each other. 

Makes me want to pick up FF14 for a bit but no time yet.
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The FF14 team are the sole reason i still have some faith within SE's dev teams. I'd play an offline mainline title/spin-off developed by them (if they weren't already tied up with FF14 for the forseeable future).











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OK, my run through of the series has finally begun. I want to play through all the non-online mainlines in the series. What are the definitive versions of each? Keep in mind I'm not necessarily interested in post game content unless it's really compelling so far here's my list


Final Fantasy I (currently playing anniversary edition on PSP)
Final Fantasy 2 (PSP anniversary edition)
Final Fantasy 3 (3DS? Or emulate?)
Final Fantasy 4 (3DS? Or Complete on PSP? Should I bother with the after years stuff?)
Final Fantasy 5 (Playstation)
Final Fantasy 6 (Playstation or GBA?)
Final Fantasy 7 (Playstation)
Final Fantasy 8 (Playstation - I'd do steam but I like playing on my PSP for portablity)
Final Fantasy 9 (Playstation)
Final Fantasy 10 (Currently playing HD collection on PS3)
Final Fantasy 12 (Completed - Zodiac edition - the only way this game is palatable to me)
Final Fantasy 13 (Completed - thank god I'm not doing off shoot games)
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Himu

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Final Fantasy I - Origins PSX
Final Fantasy 2 - PSP
Final Fantasy 3 - NES version, ds version is garbo
Final Fantasy 4 - Depends, ds version is good but psp version is also good. ds version revamps the game so if you've played 4 and are knowledgeable about it, go for that if you want a great remix. The game is now on Steam. If you just want FF4, go for the psp version.
Final Fantasy 5 - GBA
Final Fantasy 6 - GBA or SNES or GBA with SNES music patch
Final Fantasy 7 - PSX or Steam
Final Fantasy 8 - PSX or Steam
Final Fantasy 9 - PSX
Final Fantasy 10 - HD Remaster
Final Fantasy 12 - International
Final Fantasy 13 - PS3
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Joe Molotov

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Just play I - IV & VII - IX on the PSP, and V & VI on the GBA.
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Himu

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Play all of them on psp.

I - psx classic
II - PSP
III - emulate nes rom
IV - psp
V - emulate gba rom
VI - emulate gba rom
VII - psx classic
VIII - psx classic
IX - psx classic
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why is the PSX version of FF1 preferrable to the PSP one?
I played the PSX version when it came out, but I haven't played the PSP one before. What's the difference?
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Himu

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PSP one is based on the gba one. I haven't played the psp one but the gba one is terrible, boring, and horrifically easy. I beat the gba version without dying. It's the easiest FF I have ever played and that's saying something. It's awful. PSX version is the best version of FF1.
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I really like the PSP version of FF1. It's easy and you can blast through it in less than 8 hours. The PSP version of FF2 is good too.

archnemesis

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I have a few spare minutes, so here is a complete list.

Final Fantasy I - PSP
Final Fantasy 2 - PSP
Final Fantasy 3 - I would play the NES version since I haven't played that before, and I really didn't enjoy the NDS version.
Final Fantasy 4 - PSP
Final Fantasy 5 - PS1 or GBA (I got ⅔ through both and one of them has an awful translation)
Final Fantasy 6 - GBA or SNES (the PS1 version has annoying load times)
Final Fantasy 7 (PS1)
Final Fantasy 8 (PS1)
Final Fantasy 9 (PS1 via emulation to speed it up)
Final Fantasy 10 (Vita or PS3 for the remastered version)
Final Fantasy 12 (Zodiac edition)
Final Fantasy 13 (Get the Steam versions)

Himu

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ff3 remake sucks

keep in mind that ff3 isn't a really good game to begin with
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Joe Molotov

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GBA roms play like shite on the PSP, Himu. I tried playing FFV, and I was only able to stand it's herky-jerkiness for about 5 minutes.
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ps1 version has the original difficulty; psp is version is neutered to the point of boredom

also the new content sucks
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himu's first list is ideal, altho I'd recommend the ios versions of v & vi. purists hate the hi-res graphics, but seriously they look fine, and the sound is much better than the gba versions.
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ideally you should skip 1-3 because they suck
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Himu

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Ff1 psx is great tho
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Himu

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GBA roms play like shite on the PSP, Himu. I tried playing FFV, and I was only able to stand it's herky-jerkiness for about 5 minutes.

Really? They were fine when I had a hacked psp
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demi

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PSP emulation is PooPoo
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Himu

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Ff1 gba is prolly the most boring ff I've ever played
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PSP one is based on the gba one. I haven't played the psp one but the gba one is terrible, boring, and horrifically easy. I beat the gba version without dying. It's the easiest FF I have ever played and that's saying something. It's awful. PSX version is the best version of FF1.

Agreed.  PSP version kind of has the same amount of difficulty but if you're playing the game for the first time or if you want to run through it without much hassle, I guess you could pick that one.  It's the one that's most readily accessible, anyway. 

PS1 version is the best version.  Most balanced.  :heart

I do, however, think that FF2 just gets better with every port it gets.  I dunno if I'd recommend the PSX version of it to newcomers, but the Wonderswan, GBA, and PSP versions of the game are the most palatable to people who just want to get through the game (PSP, especially).

And semi-related: I hate the DS version of FF3.  FF3 FC is the hottest version on the block.

ideally you should skip 1-3 because they suck
FF3 DS, probably.

FF3 FC? That game is one of the best-looking games on the Famicom, and the music/sound design is really good.  It's one of my faves in the series. 

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I'll probably pick up any FF games that go on sale for iOS this holiday. Square usually does their holiday sale.
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Speed: yeah, that's why i suggest ff2 psp over ff2 psx.
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well it looks like I need to give the original ff3 a shot
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Honestly FF3 is easily in my top 3, maybe even #1, in FF OSTs.
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I only played the DS FF3 and I thought it was really cute  :-\