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FF3 isn't even that great. It has been outclassed by multiple games, I feel.
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I only played the DS FF3 and I thought it was really cute  :-\

It's fine if you enjoy it, but its just heavily neutered compared to the original. I have no issue with the look.
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I heard that the original was hard as nails. I'm not necessarily looking for residing challenge in 1-3 I want to play them, enjoy them, but not spend forever on them. I wanna leave that for IV-IX

Given that, I think I'll keep to the PSP version of FF1. I played the original and then the PSX version when it came out. So I've really plumb the depths. Going through it quickly might not be a bad thing.
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Looking for a challenge in IV-IX  :larry

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The original FF3 is easier than FF3DS, which adds double turns or more to bosses and that arbitrary stat reduction for a few battles every time you switch jobs. FF3DS is garbage, but FF3 NES is at least ok.

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Yeah, FF3 FC definitely isn't hard.  It feels a lot more balanced than the DS version to me because you can use CP to just change your jobs without a handicap and the enemy encounters are more balanced between your party and the enemy party (plus it teaches the player about resource management).  Plus it doesn't run as slow as a snail with inane camera pans that take up way too much time.

FF3 isn't even that great. It has been outclassed by multiple games, I feel.

Its mechanics and balancing/job choices certainly have been outclassed by its brother and sister in FF5 and FFX-2 since those games have had time to build on the formula that DQ/FF3 had set.  I also think FF3's soundtrack is one of the best produced with the NES's NSF format.  I could only imagine how the soundtrack would've turned out if the cart had a chip of its own like CV3 or Lagrange Point.  I also think the game looks incredibly good, but that's mostly because of the time it was released.  I'm a weirdo and I love trying to compare tilesets of certain things in each FF up to FF6 and FF3 has some of the best tilesets I've seen in a Famicom RPG of that era.  The water sets look great, the colour palette used is cohesive (even moreso than FF2's... FF4's is a generational leap in terms of colour, but there are some sets I like in FF3 than FF4 even though I'm a huge huge fan of some of the colours and tiles used in FF4 and FF5).  A lot of the shading done brings a lot of the villages to life, too.  It stands to-to-toe with some of the DQ games on the platform to me, but below the likes of of something like Lagrange Point.

The game has the player putting a lot of work in for some great payoffs.  The airship is one of the best in the series since you get your own Fat Chocobo, vending machines/shops, and fires its cannons at enemies.  Eureka might be difficult but you get some cool weapons and cool jobs out of it.  There are a ton of nooks and crannies in every town with some free goodies.  Some of the towns have unique gimmicks, and while I'm not a huge fan of some gimmicks in platformers, I really really appreciate them in RPGs (so if you tell me to cast small to get into a small village, I'll take you up on that offer since it's pretty neat).  There are a ton of vehicles in the game too.  Through sidequests, vehicles you can access, all of those explorable pathways in towns, etc.  you realize the FF3 is one of the games that ended up being incredibly exploration-heavy and it's up to the player to figure out what he or she wanted to do.  It's one of the reasons why we look forward to side-content in FF games, encompassing some of the side content in FF1 and FF2 and giving us more stuff to do. 

It also set a lot of precedents in the series:
- We got summons for the first time
- We got Moogles for the first time
- We got the Fat Chocobo for the first time
- We got the sub for the first time (discounting the wooden barrel in FF1 that you couldn't even control)

While the story may have been the blase "save the crystals, y'all, oh and all the characters are children not teens or young adults" sorta thing,  I really like to treat it like a Suikoden game and have the towns tell their stories as opposed to trying to attribute way too much to the overarching narrative. While that's important, you realize the towns themselves have stories to tell and they're really varied in terms of what sort of races they have, or what sort of vignette they might feature, etc.

I dunno.  To say that FF3 might not matter in the grand scheme of the series because other games have done a lot of things that it does much better may be a little disingenuous.  That sells FF3 itself short and doesn't really give it much credit for the things it does do uniquely in the series.

I really really liked the game.  Of course, maybe I'm a little biased towards it because the order in which I had played FF games was a bit dumb:

FF1
FF4
FFMQ
FF6 (dropped after 2-3 hours returned to video store because 9-year-old me didn't like it)
FF7 (PC first, PSX a year or two after)
FFT
FF8
Chocobo's Dungeon 2
Chocobo Racing
FF9
FF10
FF2 (FC)
FF5 (SFC)
FF3 (FC)
FF10-2
(OG; played Int+LM in 2008)
FFTA
FF6 (SNES; finished)
FFCC
Dirge of Cerberus
FF11 just a bit
FF12 (IZJS was played after Rev. Wings)
Crisis Core
Dissidia
FF12 Revenant Wings
FFCC: CB
FFCC: RoF
Chocobo Tales
Hikari no 4 Senshi
Chocobo's Dungeon Wii
FFTA2
Dissidia: Duodenum
The After Years on Wii (played PSP version later on)
FF13
Crystal Defenders R1
FF14 1.0 for like an hour on someone else's account and it was awful
FF13-2
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still playing Final Fantasy Dimensions

I think it sucks that they never bothered to put an FC-like version of it on the Wonderswan/GBA/PSP, though.  That game deserves a better chance than the DS/iOS versions that people put up with now.  The version of FF1 that's coming with FF Explorers is what I have in mind for an FF3 FC-like, but that isn't going to happen.

Heck, I even like FF2 a lot, but that's mostly because I like the a lot of the narrative revolved around politics and stuff.   It took a few playthroughs to appreciate it, but after a while when you figure out that you should actually play the game naturally, it's pretty good and doesn't feel like a chore since the game is balanced in such a way that facilitates natural play.  I really like the soundtrack too.  It sounds pretty different and more solemn out of the first three games on the hardware.  Kinda stuck between the Wonderswan version and the PS1 version, but it's admittedly been a while since I've played the WSC version.

Himu

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Well admittedly I haven't played FFIII original since...2000.
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So playing through FF1.
I somehow had forgotten how little direction the games gave you back then. Sorta refreshing.
Really nice to play and remember how it blew my mind back in the day. The music the world to explore.
Wish there was more to it than just blast through the random encounters go to the dungeon and get the treasure. But having the PSP version and just being able to go through it quickly is actually rather nice. That music though. That music.
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New FFXV footage:

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please come to pc  :(

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Nice post on FF3, SpeedStats - you mention a lot of reasons I find the game enjoyable, myself. All the cool vehicles, mini-vignettes (I still think a crazy king-midas-wannabe chaining your airship up out of bitter revenge is an awesome plot point), the parts where you have to shrink and change into frogs and shit like that, ridiculous amounts of side quests, and the awesome graphics/soundtrack. The DS version isn't as good, since I don't like the art or the fact that enemy battle parties are so small.
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Hah, that portal app sharing cards with FFXIV's Triple triad is a devious move. I can already see them making cards obtained exclusively on one of the two games, making you have to play both to get them all.

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!!!!!!!!
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New FF with beautiful pixel style and artwork by Amano, yay!

 :lawd :noah :mouf

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... It will be free-to-play with micro-transactions


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So it's been a while since my last update on my FF series playthrough:


FFXIII: Ugg done. Not gonna be bothered to play 2 and 3
FFXII: Forced my way through.  Brilliant beginning 10 hours after that it was a slog. No wonder I hated it when it came out. Without the Zodiac system the game just seems unfinished.


FFX: Just finished. One day a few weeks ago I beat Yunalesca and was like "OK, I'm nearly at the end, I'll just play through and finish this today." I honestly thought there were just 2 bosses left. But forgot there were actually like 5 bosses I had forgotten. 5 hours later I finally finished.

FFI: Also finished. I can see why the young me loved it so much, when I had so much time to play that I actually enjoyed not knowing what to do next and trying to figure it out. The older me is annoyed by that. Still, had fun and completed it without too much effort/time

FFII: Currently underway. I can see what they were trying to do with the system. I actually like the concept of what you do gets stronger. But it's so easily exploited and poorly executed. I'm playing the PSP version instead of the PS1 version I had played ages ago. Thankfully it's rather streamlined and fast. Much better than the PS1 version.

I'm about halfway through FFII. Not looking forward to III being next. I think I'll try out the NES version as I didn't care for the DS version. But after III it's smooth sailing.
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apparently FFX HD is coming out for PS4?

Ha, like I'm gonna buy that again.  No way, not gonna triple dip, never, not in a million years, fuck square enix and their greed. I am a strong, independent gamer and I don't take shit from nobody.  They can take their Tidus' and Yunas and shove them up their asses

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day 1  :goty2
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I never got around to picking up FF10 on PS3 or Vita, so I'll get it on the cuatro instead.

(Hurry up and port KH 2.5 while you're at it so I can buy it there instead)

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It's really happening.

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Gonna be the best game ever.

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I really hope the battle system doesn't suck. For all the hate people gave 13, I didn't mind the system too much, though I just wish they'd go back oldskool.
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HOLY SHIT I HAVE BEEN APATHETIC ABOUT GAMES FOR MONTHS AND THAT TRAILER BROUGHT FORTH MY INNER CHILD

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD TITAN

THE CITIES

A GIANT BEHEMOTH IN A FOREST





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HD TOWNS! Finally, this game has shown complete superiority over XIII and XII.

tiesto: it's a blend of Gambits and Paradigms. your characters have innate AI scripting based on enemy positioning and you typically only need one button for different actions -- combos, evasions, defending etc. You only control Noctis but he's a jack of all trades for every situation and will use different weapons depending on enemy distance from him.

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...Actually kind of excited for this now. What is happening?

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so squenix announced this new ios title with kitase and nojima behind it, and they specifically call it a "full-scale, high-quality rpg" (meaning yay we have a budget now). it's finally happening, duders.
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so squenix announced this new ios title with kitase and nojima behind it, and they specifically call it a "full-scale, high-quality rpg" (meaning yay we have a budget now). it's finally happening, duders.

With no actual movement though...
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zuh?
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Himu

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so squenix announced this new ios title with kitase and nojima behind it, and they specifically call it a "full-scale, high-quality rpg" (meaning yay we have a budget now). it's finally happening, duders.

Bububu

No decent budget jrpgs are coming to iOS :hitlerlol who made that argument the other day? Lyte edge?
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tiesto

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zuh?

From the gaf thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=906515

"The map movement in the game will be automated"
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meh I don't mind. the biggest problem with making console-style games on smartphones is that devs were allowed to be lazy with camera control. dual analog for movement and camera was always impractical. coming up with a more streamlined solution will really help with 3d smartphone gaming production imo.
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Himu

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Dq8 mobile has automated movement and it is optional
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buying square-enix mobile games tho

Who gives a shit about automated movement and car riding games

http://a.pomf.se/ltwexc.webm

Weird lizard people  :leon

http://a.pomf.se/silbza.webm

Soaring through the air on a dragon  :rejoice

http://a.pomf.se/jktuif.webm

Using a floating globe and cards as weapons  :larry

http://a.pomf.se/numrwy.webm

BALLER AS FUCK MACHINIST  :lawd

 :bow FFXIV  :bow2

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Hi

Himu

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Who gives a shit about automated movement and car riding games

http://a.pomf.se/ltwexc.webm

Weird lizard people  :leon

http://a.pomf.se/silbza.webm

Soaring through the air on a dragon  :rejoice

http://a.pomf.se/jktuif.webm

Using a floating globe and cards as weapons  :larry

http://a.pomf.se/numrwy.webm

BALLER AS FUCK MACHINIST  :lawd

 :bow FFXIV  :bow2

> is mmo
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okay the new cid/cindy in ff15 is kawaii as all hell. give it to me  :mouf :expert



 FF14 Golden Saucer reveal  :hyper


Himu

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it seems like ff14 fans talk less about the game and more about the fact that there's this random fan service doodad

like it's cool at first but it seems like fan service is the only thing they ever talk about
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why would i spend time talking about the game here, where no one is interested, when I could be playing it and talking about it in-game, which is what I do?  :wtf

Talking MMO details generally flies over people's heads unless they're also playing the game and know wtf I'm talking about. It's easier to post bits of fanservice/general stuff like my last two posts here which everyone can appreciate without having played it.
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The whole final fantasy series is self-referential.  You could say that all the recurring elements that make a game a final fantasy game (summons, spell names, Cid, airships, Gilgamesh, chocobos, Biggs and Wedge, cactuars, moogles, tonberries, etc.) are "fan service".  As Legend said, we could talk about the other aspects of FFXIV at length.  The gameplay is great, especially once you get to the endgame raids.  I just beat the final raid in the Second Binding Coil of Bahamut (T9) tonight.  The story for the Binding Coil is fucking cool.  The music is great.  The mechanics and gameplay of the raids are fun yet fiendishly difficult to master.  I love the flexibility of the job system.  I love the art style and the I've been playing video games since the Atari 2600.  I played the first Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy when they first came out on the NES.  I played the original Phantasy Star when it first came out on the Master System.  But I've never been into a game as much as I'm into FFXIV. 

Golden Saucer doesn't interest me so much yet.  I'll wait and see what it has to offer.  Heavensward looks fucking awesome though.  I'm definitely going to level a Dark Knight and a Machinist when it comes out.
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Pay a monthly fee to play an mmo in 2014 brehs
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This is pretty much my reaction to all the FFXIV: Heavensward announcements.

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Pay a monthly fee to play an mmo in 2014 brehs

Oh no, $15 a month who can afford such highway robbery.

Seriously the worst argument in MMO history. The price per hour of entertainment is far and away better than just about any other worthwhile, legal video gaming. Not to mention the fucking terror of pay to win MMO "F2P" systems that plague every MMO without a subscription that doesn't have Guild Wars in the title.

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I played skyrim for 250 hours and it only cost $15 :troll
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Pay a monthly fee to play an mmo in 2014 brehs

No different than paying $60 every couple of months for latest AAA snoozefest, only in this case I'm only paying the sub because I have fun with the game I'm playing.

I just beat the final raid in the Second Binding Coil of Bahamut (T9) tonight.

Golden Saucer doesn't interest me so much yet.  I'll wait and see what it has to offer.

I only got to Second Coil this past week, but it really is a lot more interesting mechanically than the first set of turns. Thinking of getting more practice done for T6-8 before I tackle T9 though, cause that looks like a doozy. I also did those fights on Ninja despite being a Paladin main, so that's a whole 'nother headache.  :goty2

Golden Saucer interests me cause I'm casual scum that does loves his irrelevant side content. I've never been too big on Triple Triad, but I'm definitely gonna get into Chocobo Raising, specially since it looks to be more intricate than it was in FF7.




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I'm not a fan of paying someone for the privilege of paying them.

Either

1) Let me buy the game at full price and give me a free or at the very least a sub $6 a month fee.
or
2) Give me the game for free and charge me a subscription fee.

But buying a full priced game plus a full priced subscription? The market's changed.  This isn't 2004 anymore.
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For what we get, I think the $15 a month is totally reasonable.  We get big chunky updates every three months or so that add huge amounts of story content, new bosses, new dungeons, etc.  If you don't want to pay for it, then just play something else.  But for those who enjoy the game, it's definitely worth it and I get more than enough time and fun back for the small subscription fee.

They really nerfed the harsher mechanics in Second Coil, at least T6-T8.  The mechanics in T9 are unchanged, though the 15% echo buff helps tremendously.  You can usually clear T6 and T7 in Duty Finder.  T8 requires a little more coordination and is best for learning in Party Finder.  Hopefully my FC will get me with a team soon to start Final Coil.  I want to fight Bahamut and get that Dreadwyrm gear!

I'm sure once Golden Saucer is out it'll have stuff I'm interested in.  I just don't know enough about it to get too hyped for it yet.  I'm not the biggest FFVII fan so the nostalgia factor hasn't sucked me in.
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I'm not a fan of paying someone for the privilege of paying them.

Either

1) Let me buy the game at full price and give me a free or at the very least a sub $6 a month fee.
or
2) Give me the game for free and charge me a subscription fee.

But buying a full priced game plus a full priced subscription? The market's changed.  This isn't 2004 anymore.

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIV-Realm-Reborn-PC/dp/B008SBZD9G

$22. $15 for the first 30 days of playtime and $7 for an account. I'm sure there are ways to make that slicker.

I don't even like FFXIV all that much honestly, but history shows the difference between Subscription MMOs and F2P / B2P MMOs and all things considered it isn't pretty.

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I feel like such a weirdo for thinking Lightning Returns is the best single player Final Fantasy since FFX.  :goty
OH!

You are. I was so excited for it, but it was such a letdown. Ugly, boring and I couldn't deal with the combat system and levelling. If it had a more traditional system or the cp system from the last 2 games, it would have been way more enjoyable. But having battles be nothing but gold grinding and all stats tied to fetch quests made me fall asleep.

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I feel like such a weirdo for thinking Lightning Returns is the best single player Final Fantasy since FFX.  :goty

Well your competition is FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIII-2.  I have a hard time believing it's better than XII, but otherwise I can see it better than XIII & XIII-2.  Looking forward to playing it when it hits PC.  Liked XIII-2 quite a bit.

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Lightning Returns is a fairly divisive game.  I platinumed it and by the end I came out really disliking it despite loving ARPGs in a general sense.  Its flaws just seemed to outweigh its few pluses to me.  But a lot of people seem to like it so it's kinda like "whatever floats your boat".  I just found it far too boring and the combat was easy enough to grasp that I found it tiresome by the end.  It's just like a lot of people seemed to like Type-0 a lot, but I found it to be so shallow combat-wise, and having to play it twice to get everything brought it down a ton for me (also the RTS sections are pure garbage).  Good ideas, flawed execution.

I'm looking forward to trying out FFXIV next year with Sunblade when I finally have time for it.  I'd like to try it at least once, and then I can say that I've played every mainline FF.

I bought a friend 4 Heroes of Light for Christmas, and I thought he'd come out hating it since he played FF1 for the first time a month or so ago and didn't seem to like it much.  He... actually ended up liking it despite the limited inventory, etc.  It's just a bit of a shock that he liked it.  Any time people ask me to recommend an FF game, I usually stick to mainline games, but sometimes I wonder if I should start suggesting stuff out of the spinoff catalogue since a lot of it isn't too bad.  The genres are varied enough to start easing people in who main other genres, so why not.

I think I'm exhausted of FF at this point, though.  Halfway through FFDimensions and I think when I finish that off, it'll be the last FF I'll play for a while. 

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I haven't bought a final fantasy since 13 :yeshrug

Aside from dimensions I guess
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I liked XIII-2 more than most people, but LR didn't work for me. I hate hate hate time limits in games, and yeah by the end of the game the time limit doesn't really matter much but it's still a bit of a hassle to deal with, and at the beginning it really pressures you, especially if you want to 100% it.
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afaict the biggest cost of MMOs by far is your time. the subscription cost is sort of trivial in comparison. i'd like to play ffxiv but it's really hard for me to justify devoting 10% of my life or whatever to it.
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they can fuck right off with that $59.99 price on Type-0.  Impressions seem mixed on the game too.  I'm just gonna go with people liking it because the characters are high schoolers, but they wear black, so that means it's deep and mature. 

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Game doesnt come out for 3 months. Surely you cant set aside the money by then?
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afaict the biggest cost of MMOs by far is your time. the subscription cost is sort of trivial in comparison. i'd like to play ffxiv but it's really hard for me to justify devoting 10% of my life or whatever to it.
That is very true.
I tried that 15 day trial of FFXIV and it was good enough but after like day 2 or 3 I just felt the treadmill was too much for me really and I gave it up.
When I played FFXI I needed a time sink and that served me well. But now, I just don't have the time. Maybe when I do, I'll revisit the idea.
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they can fuck right off with that $59.99 price on Type-0.  Impressions seem mixed on the game too.  I'm just gonna go with people liking it because the characters are high schoolers, but they wear black, so that means it's deep and mature.

I assumed they'd milk the fuck out of that first hour or two in the trailers and that was correct.

There will meltdowns a plenty over that one.