Making a Final Fantasy thread and no one can stop me. (Finalphile Support Group)

[studyguy]

REVIAATAN REVIAATANA RUH ROH REVIATAN REVIATANNN
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[suppadoopa]

listen to my story......

for a fifth time

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE0OyfuUEAAVmxs.jpg:large

[Trent Dole]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

[Kara]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

Mechanically it's one of the least punishing FFs so babbies who suck at vidcons lap it up.

[demi]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

Combination of both. Japan voted Yuna as most fav character when Square did a survey over there.

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/06/final-fantasy-airborne-brigade-players-vote-yuna-popular-heroine/

[suppadoopa]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

I bought FFX a lot of times. So actually its more than 5 for me

and FFX was voted the 3rd game that was closely related to the PS brand
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=945481&highlight=

[Joe Molotov]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

Well, I'm sure we're only a year or two away from a Steam Remasteredest Edition, just as soon as they get all the iOS stuff on there.

[studyguy]

Oh I beat Bahamut a while ago since I last posted.

My static subsequently broke immediately afterwards since our off tank no longer subbed.
Fuck it least I finished it.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Ouch. At least you managed to clear it, yeah. 

[studyguy]

Ouch. At least you managed to clear it, yeah. 

I've cleared a couple times with PUGs since the 15%.
Fuck I had a party where my OT actually died a couple times and we still cleared.
5% is doing a lot more than I thought

[Himu]

Is it really the fifth time,hmm... PS2, PS3, Vita, PS4... wiki says that's it for releases. Still kind of a lot. Do people like X that much or is it just the most well received thing that is easily ported?

Mechanically it's one of the least punishing FFs so babbies who suck at vidcons lap it up.

FFX International with Expert Grid is actually one of the best balanced FF's ever made. Far more than any 3d FF except for maybe XII and XIII. Far better balanced VI, and arguably V.

[Trent Dole]

Ah, so it IS arguably a fifth time if we count International!

[Himu]

Actually, I'd FFX Int. is better balanced than even XII. The problem with XII is that if you go after the hardest fights (hunts and marks) then you end up making the story too easy. FFX Int doesn't have that problem because you don't get the airship till the end of the game, and the only story sections left after that is the final dungeon anyways, so who cares. The story is pretty damn balanced too, and you can easily accidentally fuck up or make your characters lose progress by getting on the wrong grid due to it being so damn interconnected and subtle. Also, Omega Dungeon in INTL is tough. Omega Weapon alone went from having 99,999 hp in OG FFX to 999,999 HP and is null against all elements. FFX Int. is baller. 

Has better balance than XIII too, which is mostly snooze ville till chapter 8 or 9.

[Kara]

International didn't come out in NTSC-NA until like 2013 right? Its improvements and changes can't explain the demand for rereleases.

[Himu]

Actually, the FF western fanbase has always been vocal about not getting the International versions. FFX HD came out last year so that was the first time westerners got it. As for the other re-releases, Vita version came out at the same time as PS3 version. They are literally the same: FFX HD Remaster. Ps4 version is the HD remaster and just  SE milking shit like usual. I would not conflate the ps4 version of FFX HD Remaster as anything remotely dealing with demand and more to do with S-E's obsession with putting their FF products on as many platforms as possible.

Prior to the HD Remaster there had only been one release of FFX in the west.

[Kara]

Is it too late for me to just cop to trolling.

[Positive Touch]

don't get the port complaints when they're all basically the same version. just makes the game available to more people.

[Himu]

Haha.

The only people I see excited for FFX/X-2 HD on ps4 are:

1. FFX fantards who must have it all
2. People like my friend who went 360 last gen and didn't have a PS3 or vita but now they have a ps4 so they can play it.
3. People who missed out last time in general, and that number is pretty small given I doubt there's many who missed it but actually want it.

I'm not sure the ps4 version will do well. I don't know why anyone who bought HD remaster last year would buy it again on ps4. There is literally no point beyond accessibility.

No one really cares except those select people. Guy with the Lightning av should tell you all you need to know about why he's buying ps4 HD remaster and likely has it on vita and PS3, haha.

[Positive Touch]

gaf ain't representative of real life ofc. and accessibility is a pretty good reason for a a quick port. lotta people don't have ps3s or won't have them much longer.

[Himu]

it's good to have it on more systems, but I see it selling more on steam than ps4.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

It's been about 13 years since I last played it.  Why not replay it?

I find myself buying a lot of remakes this generation because I missed out on a lot the past two generations.  Being broke/cheap does that to you.

Also I bet you anything the FFXIII trilogy is going to get remade on the PS4 as well.  Final Fantasy XVI will probably be an iOS game and SE knows there are a couple million people who'd replay a game they just played a couple of years ago.

[Himu]

It's been about 13 years since I last played it.  Why not replay it?

I find myself buying a lot of remakes this generation because I missed out on a lot the past two generations.  Being broke/cheap does that to you.

Also I bet you anything the FFXIII trilogy is going to get remade on the PS4 as well.  Final Fantasy XVI will probably be an iOS game and SE knows there are a couple million people who'd replay a game they just played a couple of years ago.

They're already doing it. Like I said, S-E puts their games on every system they possibly can.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Looks like the PS4 version of FFX HD has uh, issues. Way to go square.

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-on-ps4-looks-better-than-ever-but-has-major-problems-292113.phtml

That RNG bug sounds amazing. How do you even miss something like that? 

[Positive Touch]

like every fucking jrpg since 1985 has got that right. no fucking idea how they fucked that up, but it's just unbelievable

[El Babua]

Power of the PS4 turning our old JRPGs into scripted cinematic experiences.

[Rufus]

That's amazing.

[SpeedStats]

Lotsa updates!

I took demi's advice and played through Four Heroes of Light! I beat it in 29.5 hours.  It's a great game.  It like it more and more every time I go through it, and the characters have good chemistry.  The artstyle, town design, character design, and character dialogue blend in very cohesively, moreso than Bravely Default at times.  Love the audio design most of all.

I also finished Final Fantasy 4 in 14 hours which isn't my best.  I'm not a big fan of FF4, even though I know that game like the back of my hand since I've played it so many times.  I played the PSP version since I wanted it finished faster (sorry for not going with the DS version, but I feel like that would've prolonged my suffering with the game's plot of fake suicides and fake deaths).  Basically for the PSP version, all you do is auto-battle the whole way through.  You can get through anything like that.  Even Evil Wall/Demon Wall/whatever.  I would've played the WSC version but I don't have any way of screencapping from my WSC, haha.  The WSC version is probably the best non-DS version.  I can't remember what I prodded the FF4 PSP version for, because I remember being very annoyed with one aspect of it, but maybe it'll come back to me in time. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

I played Final Fantasy 4: Interlude because Sunblade was busy writing finals and doing final projects and stuff, and I had to wait for him to start Final Fantasy 4.  That took me about an hour since I tried to rush it as fast as possible during a night when I couldn't get to sleep.  Final Fantasy 4: Interlude is pointless, really.  It's pretty bad storytelling, too, even if it does lead into The After Years.  And it's easy.  I barely leveled up since the twins can hold their own, Edge is a beast, and Cecil kinda sucks in it since his armour/weapons suck.  Basically all you need to know about FF4 Interlude is that Cecil is dumb cuz he can't tell that his wife is sick/pregnant, he can't name a kid worth a damn (especially evidenced by Ceodore's name), and he chases a fake Rydia across the whole world because he can't tell that she's a fake while Edge can. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Then I played Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest.  As I said before, I love FFMQ, and I love how it kindled my love for VGM.  Great tilesets, great colour-use, fantastic OST, characters who don't even give a shit about the story just like you don't (even the final boss doesn't give a fuck), Tristam, good platforming, and a big ol' stretchy claw.  What a great game with some fun dungeons.  Finished in 7.3 hours.



I decided to skip over Final Fantasy 5 because I wanted to do it for the FF5 Four Job Fiesta.  I didn't think I'd finish up to FF5 so fast and that I'd get to FF5 when the Fiesta started.  Well, it didn't start yet, so I'm left waiting.  It's a shame because I love FF5! It's my favourite FF!  So I skipped ahead to FF6, which I'm not entirely in love with, either.  It's been taking me a long time to get through it, but that's generally because of Final Fantasy XIV.

Sunblade convinced me to finally start Final Fantasy 14's free trial since I had some time off.  I don't play that many MMOs because I don't have time for them, and I mostly stopped in high school when I seemed to switch from playing mainly on PC to playing mainly on consoles/handhelds.  But holy crap, FF14 is amazing.  I haven't been this enthralled with an FF from the start since FFX-2 (esp. since it took a while for me to get into FF12 when I first played it). The guild stories are great and funny, the animations are funny, and the community's great.  The story took a bit for me to get into, but when it took off, it took off.  Can't wait to dive into the main game after my trial finishes, really, and finally be able to hire retainers and do more Lv 20 quests since my XP is currently going into the ether.  I'm having a lot of fun. 

I like that some classes rely on positioning when you're in a party.  Pairing up with Sunblade and other folks for parties is pretty fun!  I got a few things to Lv 20 on the trial already like ROG/PUG and I have a few days left to get LNC up there too, so I think I'm good for now.  Might try levelling Marauder since I like it more than Gladiator. 

So yeah, I finally get the hype behind FF14: ARR.  It's a very good game.  It isn't just the references to other FF games that do it for me, but it's the game itself and the stories it tells + mechanics and the community on the server I'm on.  One of the better MMOs I've played.

Looks like the PS4 version of FFX HD has uh, issues. Way to go square.

http://www.destructoid.com/final-fantasy-x-x-2-hd-remaster-on-ps4-looks-better-than-ever-but-has-major-problems-292113.phtml

That RNG bug sounds amazing. How do you even miss something like that? 

When you told me that, I was like, "Are you for reeeeaaaaal?" And then I found the videos and I had to laugh.





Jesus, how do you mess that up.

[demi]

bring it to the ps4 they said

itll be the superior version they said

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Not going to lie, I'm looking forward to the PS4 version of FF7.  It's been about 13 years since I last played it.  Then when I heard the Mako Reactor theme in Record Keeper, I wanted to play the game again.  I also want to play FF8 again and knowing Square, it will be out on Steam and PS4 since there is an existing PC version out there.  The only question is if FF9 will ever get uprezzed and ported out.

[Himu]

That RNG vid is hilarious.

MLH: FF8 is already on Steam.

I highly suggest playing the Steam version of both VII and VIII.

It takes modding but they're the superior versions of the game when done right. PS4 version will not be moddable, and that makes the ps4 version useless.

FFVII modded



FFVIII modded (my video):

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Those modded FF7 character models are some hot out of place garbage. I'd rather keep playing the PS1 version if that's your example of superior.

[Himu]

there are multiple benefits of mods. One benefit is better backgrounds for HD sets. The original bgs are pixelated. For the record, I agree. But there isn't one mod, there are multiple. The point of the video is to show that.

Want CD quality audio? You can do that. Want bgs that aren't pixelated on modern sets? You can do that. If you want to replace the models with shitty replacements, you can do that too.

The ps4 version will be the steam version (here's hoping not with midi music as seen in the original release). I highly doubt they are doing any sort of bells and whistles with that version.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Wow, I guess I'm behind the curve on Final Fantasy games.  Square is whoring them out harder and sooner than I've realized, apparently.

[Positive Touch]

how come ff7 fans never rewrote the script into something readable

and how come squeenix didn't either

[demi]

how come ff7 fans never rewrote the script into something readable

and how come squeenix didn't either

http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php?topic=14914.msg209227#msg209227

[Himu]

how come ff7 fans never rewrote the script into something readable

and how come squeenix didn't either

As demi said, they are.

Steam version of VII and VIII are the superior versions, no contest. My only problem with them is that I can't play them in Japanese. Steam versions have Spanish and all this other stuff, but I want to run through them in HD in Japanese dammit.

[Positive Touch]

ya know what would be great? if square stuck an hd version of Midgar in ff14, just to troll

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Golden saucer is already in there. 

Oh, I just remembered that I beat FF4 as part of the series playthrough thing. It was... FF4. Good music, really boring on a repeat playthrough, really easy overall. Played the Advance version with the super annoying font and weird overworld sprites. They messed up Zeromus' script and all he does is back to back Big Bang > Black Hole with nothing in between. zzzzz game.

[Joe Molotov]

ya know what would be great? if square stuck an hd version of Midgar in ff14, just to troll

Gold Saucer, Midgar, North Crater next, until they've remade FFVII piece by piece in XIV.

[TakingBackSunday]

Goddamit tht RNG bug in X for ps4 is hilarious.  And I fucking bought it too 

[archie4208]

Type-0 coming to PC

[Positive Touch]

yessssss

at this rate I'll never own a ps4

[studyguy]

I haven't played XIV seriously in over a month.
Looks like that'll be ending soon.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

I wanted to get my linkshell group together to beat T9 and maybe even final coil, but one person in the group is basically keeping the whole thing from coming together.

Guess I'm pugging that shit on my own. I've got an 130 Tank and almost i130 Ninja, I'm sure I'll manage.

[Himu]

fuck ps4

[SpeedStats]

I finished Final Fantasy 6.  I ended up coming out liking the WoR more than the WoB this time, and even then, I don't like FF6 too much.  Oh, and if you don't recruit Terra, she still comes back in the ending no matter what.  It's one of the FFs I've played the least so I didn't know that.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

I started replaying Crisis Core.  Despite the Genesis shit, it's pretty consistent and Zack is a very consistent and likeable character.  Halfway through the game now.  I like it!

The FF5 Job Fiesta starring Best Final Fantasy is soon, so I've got a save prepared to start that on June 22nd.  I love doing it every year that I've tried it out, and I think I'm gonna do additional runs again, just to see what the new Chaos run is like if other people say it's cool.

Speaking of FF5:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

Gilgamesh (and BUTTZ) was an event character in Japan until yesterday!  He is a tank.  He's the second-best tank behind Paladin Cecil but he's still a cool character.  He is one of the greatest!

Playing video games 

I wanted to get my linkshell group together to beat T9 and maybe even final coil, but one person in the group is basically keeping the whole thing from coming together.

Guess I'm pugging that shit on my own. I've got an 130 Tank and almost i130 Ninja, I'm sure I'll manage.

gosh i wonder who you're going to drag into this hmmmmmmmmmmm

I will return to FF14 soon, b.  Don't worry.

[Himu]

told you WoR owns Speed, but yeah FF6 is pretty blah. WoB sucks.

[SpeedStats]

Golden saucer is already in there. 

Oh, I just remembered that I beat FF4 as part of the series playthrough thing. It was... FF4. Good music, really boring on a repeat playthrough, really easy overall. Played the Advance version with the super annoying font and weird overworld sprites. They messed up Zeromus' script and all he does is back to back Big Bang > Black Hole with nothing in between. zzzzz game.

Yeah, when you were telling me about it while you were doing it, I was like, huh?  GBA version, I've played the least of now, so I'm more familiar with PS1/SNES/WSC/DS/PSP scripts, and that AI script was kinda weird to me.  If I ever play FF4 GBA again, I'll check that script out because I'm curious if I'm wrong or something.

Zeromus is like... four phases in the non ds versions, and in the SNES/PS1 versions, you can hit him with that Second Form/Sap bug that I like to abuse with a lot of bosses in that game.  Too bad you can't do it in the GBA version otherwise I would've recommended it.

It's like
phase 1 - wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang -> phase 2
phase 2 (main script) - wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang, black hole, wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang, bio, black hole, wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang, black hole (and can counter w/bio or flare depending on what spell you use)
Phase 3 (restore (if you don't knock his HP down to 12k faster than he can take a turn and heal to max -- then he'll remain in phase 2's AI script)) - wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang, black hole, flare, wait/shake, wait/shake, wait/shake, big bang
Phase 4 (under 12k + phase 3 initiated) - rand, meteor, meteor, meteor, meteor, meteor, meteor, meteor, met-- you get the point.
 
So I was wondering where all the other spells were at cuz the way you were going on about it, you didn't sound like you left him in phase 2 by accident.  At least you beat it, tho.

told you WoR owns Speed, but yeah FF6 is pretty blah. WoB sucks.

It's just like what Oscar said: the pacing is awful.  When you finally get to WoR, and can do what you want and choose who you want to get/which order you want to do it in since the game's balanced enough for that, it feels much better since it's kinda like FF3/FF5 where much of what happens after you get the boat/airship is semi-dictated by you.  I'm a bit surprised I like WoR more coming out of that.  I used to not like it very much.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Judging by your description, the GBA version script only does a single wait/shake in between Big Bang and Dark Hole. Which wouldn't be a problem on its own, but he also did both of those actions in the amount of time it took Rosa to take a single turn. Meaning, all Rosa could do was use Curaja on the party before Zeromus would big bang everyone again. Wasn't an issue once I gained like 6 more levels, but still annoying cause I couldn't even recast buffs in between.

[Himu]

It's just like what Oscar said: the pacing is awful.  When you finally get to WoR, and can do what you want and choose who you want to get/which order you want to do it in since the game's balanced enough for that, it feels much better since it's kinda like FF3/FF5 where much of what happens after you get the boat/airship is semi-dictated by you.  I'm a bit surprised I like WoR more coming out of that.  I used to not like it very much.

The pacing for Sabin's chapter in the pick yer own adventure is horrendous. Truly horrible stuff of nightmares. FFVI is a game with a lot of good ideas in it, but reading on how it was only developed within a year shows just how rushed and limited of a product it was, and by the time you're in WoR the game is practically just about over.

I used to consider FF6 a top three FF after 8 and 12. After my replay last year, I put it below even 7. While 7 is also a tourist game like 6, it also has more freedom, much earlier on - grabbing all of Aerith's limits and ultimate weapon, Yuffie side quest, Wutai, recruiting Vincent, defeating Midgar Zolom early for Trine, The Golden Saucer;etc). 7 is the better game in spades despite 6's flirtations with greatness - mostly WoR, and ambitious storytelling such as Shadow's dreams, opera house, and the ending.

I still love it, but as an almost 30 year old? Yeesh. 

FF RANK FEST.

12 = 8 > 5 > 10 International > 9 > 7 > 4 > 6 > 10 > 1 > 3 > 2 > 13

[demi]

4 9 10 3 1 7 5 13 12 6 8

[ZephyrFate]

9 6 13 5 4 10 7 8 3 2 1 12

[Supermanisdead]

4 6 9 7 8 5 13 3 2 1 12 10

[Joe Molotov]

1 1 2 3 5 8 13

[demi]

4 8 15 16 23 42

[Himu]

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

[Positive Touch]

hey all you ff6 haters I hope you are forced to eat a bag of warm poo at some point in your lives

[demi]

At least the second half would be easier to digest

[Kara]

Celes x Locke

[The Legend of Sunblade]

Rankings suck.

My favorites are 1, 5, 7 and 14. Like all the others to varying degrees.

I stepped into Second Coil Turn 9 for the first time today. Pretty lax duties as a tank, barring the golem placements that everyone has to know. Seeing my HP fluctuate from topped off to "oh god heal me heal me" is gonna drive me nuts though.