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Here "we" are?

Fuck off.
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that was worth a ban? what?
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Get banned for telling the truth brehs.
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dennis :uguu




http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148499195&postcount=25

rip admiral bone to pick. it was only a matter of time. may he be immortalized in the neofeg hall of fame.
Ah, man. I really liked Admiral :(

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It appears to me that GAF is banning anyone who questions the authority.
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They've done that forever. It's one of the unwritten rules of gaf. Unless you have anatomy and are a popular poster, don't question shit.
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They've done that forever. It's one of the unwritten rules of gaf. Unless you have anatomy and are a popular poster, don't question shit.

How does one improve their environment if said person refuses to allow participation?
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Who cares? This forum was made for a reason.
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Who cares? This forum was made for a reason.

I don't care in terms of personal involvement. It just amuses me.
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So I guess the cultural appropriation thread died after my post lol.

I will never jump on the anti-PC bandwagon because I definitely think there's some racial and homophobic animus involved, but I'll gladly join any bandwagon that shits on this new wave of tumblr sensitivity bullshit. It revolves around a group of privileged, unintelligent people warping the meaning of concepts and words. A white woman wearing "black" hairstyles does not "oppress" you, as you sip Starbucks and type on your fucking Mac. Fuckouttahere.
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So I guess the cultural appropriation thread died after my post lol.

I will never jump on the anti-PC bandwagon because I definitely think there's some racial and homophobic animus involved, but I'll gladly join any bandwagon that shits on this new wave of tumblr sensitivity bullshit. It revolves around a group of privileged, unintelligent people warping the meaning of concepts and words. A white woman wearing "black" hairstyles does not "oppress" you, as you sip Starbucks and type on your fucking Mac. Fuckouttahere.
It's a shame too. Cause it was a really good post. I wanted to say something but really it's not my reality I'd feel like I was complaining about how hard it is being a skinny white girl in the bct thread
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Culture appropriation both makes me proud and annoys me. Depends. I wouldn't say I feel oppressed by it, but it can be highly annoying. At the same time, I have a sense of pride when I see ufc womens fighters wearing cornrows. Cornrows is - stupidly - treated like a ghetto hairstyle, when it has a storied history that spans thousands of years. It is an ancient hairstyle, and the fact that society shuns people with them angers me, so when I see ufc womens fighters or some japanese pro wrestler wearing them, it makes me so happy to see people embrace them.
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Get banned for telling the truth brehs.

Prove my point for me brehs

Fuck it  :yeshrug

You have been banned for the following reason:
Keep whining about moderation, you'll keep getting banned.

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I think the salient point behind the cultural appropriation discussion is that it exposes deeper seated institutional racism. In the case of Iggy and Macklemore, it isn't that these two individuals are caking off of a nebulous "black culture," it's that these two are the most prominent new success stories within a predominantly black industry (talent-wise) and what that says something about the American consumer. Although, if you're lifting examples from the entertainment industry as the primary source of someone's oppression you lost.

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I think the salient point behind the cultural appropriation discussion is that it exposes deeper seated institutional racism. In the case of Iggy and Macklemore, it isn't that these two individuals are caking off of a nebulous "black culture," it's that these two are the most prominent new success stories within a predominantly black industry (talent-wise) and what that says something about the American consumer. Although, if you're lifting examples from the entertainment industry as the primary source of someone's oppression you lost.

Yup.
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I think the salient point behind the cultural appropriation discussion is that it exposes deeper seated institutional racism. In the case of Iggy and Macklemore, it isn't that these two individuals are caking off of a nebulous "black culture," it's that these two are the most prominent new success stories within a predominantly black industry (talent-wise) and what that says something about the American consumer. Although, if you're lifting examples from the entertainment industry as the primary source of someone's oppression you lost.

Iggy and Macklemore are the first mainstream rappers in years to actually have something to say.

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Honestly, PD's position on this issue continues to shock me. The people that are overly sensitive to this issue and are offended are definitely coming from a silly overly emotional position, however the many criticisms thrown towards Iggy and Macklemore are legitimate. When you use the word nicca as freely as Iggy does, you should expect to be lashed at. Just because you cannot change this, as Esch said, does not mean that you shouldn't bring it up as it reflects a very stated ideal of what the average consumer thinks and wants. I'm not going to be mad at anyone for being cognizant to the double standards regarding the entertainment industry when it comes to race, and I frankly don't find PD's "I'm above this" attitude to be helpful towards either party, especially considering many criticisms fired at both are not without merit.
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Not like I needed any new reasons to avoid "SERIOUS DISCUSSION" ( :yuck :-X) threads on NeoGAF in the first place.


No need to avoid.  as soon as things get serious (i.e. disagreements and slight abrasiveness), the thread is closed with some lame "maybe we can try this again some other time" message.  so everyone just gets riled up, then is cut off before any chance to actually "discuss" happens.  Not that it matters, mod policies have nothing to do with actually facilitating meaningful discussion or argumentation, and everything to do with keeping things within a certain threshold of controversy in order to keep google ads happy and to avoid attracting real negative attention.  If you have an opinion that's 100% clearly bioware-good-path righteously correct, you get to express yourself all you want, along with the rest of your mob friends.  Anything nuanced is in the trash, hounded by FUD posts, and will eventually get the thread locked.  So if it is kept open, you'd just be looking at this (hilarious) cycle of people trying to "win" and indict each other. 

I don't mind, it's funny either way.  Nobody is actually there to discuss, the internet is basically 100% projection and confirmation bias.

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Honestly, PD's position on this issue continues to shock me. The people that are overly sensitive to this issue and are offended are definitely coming from a silly overly emotional position, however the many criticisms thrown towards Iggy and Macklemore are legitimate. When you use the word nicca as freely as Iggy does, you should expect to be lashed at. Just because you cannot change this, as Esch said, does not mean that you shouldn't bring it up as it reflects a very stated ideal of what the average consumer thinks and wants. I'm not going to be mad at anyone for being cognizant to the double standards regarding the entertainment industry when it comes to race, and I frankly don't find PD's "I'm above this" attitude to be helpful towards either party, especially considering many criticisms fired at both are not without merit.

Iggy doesn't use the n word freely. She has used it once in a tweet from what I understand, which doesn't constitute free use. That being said I think Iggy isn't talented, clearly doesn't know much of anything about rap, etc. But tbh you could say the same about a variety of black rappers today.

Macklemore has acknowledged his white privilege many times, constantly takes political stances that favor black people, and is a good dude.


I'm not mad at him. He's not stealing anything, he legit loves hip hop music, and basically makes backpack rap with pop sensibilities. Meh, I don't fuck with his music but I respect him.

As I said on GAF, my beef is with media and (white) fans who hail white artists as new or innovative despite black artists doing it first (or better). I understand why white people identify more with white artists - you can say the same of other races too. However it's amazing to me that someone can be willfully ignorant to the point of dismissing an entire genre outside of one white savior (Eminem for instance).

We live in a melting pot, culturally. Various arts, foods, music, etc have been mixed along cultural lines for decades. Even hip hop, which is hailed as "black culture," features stuff from different cultures. Especially west coast rap: low riders were popularized by Chicanos first. Did black people "culturally appropriate"/steal that, or was it simply a case of blacks and Hispanics living in similar areas and influencing each other? Likewise a white girl who sees a black girl with a cute hairstyle and adopts it should be viewed positively. Especially in light of "black hair is beautiful" movements. Shouldn't other cultures adopting black hairstyles be seen as validation of that?
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Honestly, PD's position on this issue continues to shock me. The people that are overly sensitive to this issue and are offended are definitely coming from a silly overly emotional position, however the many criticisms thrown towards Iggy and Macklemore are legitimate. When you use the word nicca as freely as Iggy does, you should expect to be lashed at. Just because you cannot change this, as Esch said, does not mean that you shouldn't bring it up as it reflects a very stated ideal of what the average consumer thinks and wants. I'm not going to be mad at anyone for being cognizant to the double standards regarding the entertainment industry when it comes to race, and I frankly don't find PD's "I'm above this" attitude to be helpful towards either party, especially considering many criticisms fired at both are not without merit.

Iggy doesn't use the n word freely. She has used it once in a tweet from what I understand, which doesn't constitute free use. That being said I think Iggy isn't talented, clearly doesn't know much of anything about rap, etc. But tbh you could say the same about a variety of black rappers today.

Macklemore has acknowledged his white privilege many times, constantly takes political stances that favor black people, and is a good dude.


I'm not mad at him. He's not stealing anything, he legit loves hip hop music, and basically makes backpack rap with pop sensibilities. Meh, I don't fuck with his music but I respect him.

As I said on GAF, my beef is with media and (white) fans who hail white artists as new or innovative despite black artists doing it first (or better). I understand why white people identify more with white artists - you can say the same of other races too. However it's amazing to me that someone can be willfully ignorant to the point of dismissing an entire genre outside of one white savior (Eminem for instance).

We live in a melting pot, culturally. Various arts, foods, music, etc have been mixed along cultural lines for decades. Even hip hop, which is hailed as "black culture," features stuff from different cultures. Especially west coast rap: low riders were popularized by Chicanos first. Did black people "culturally appropriate"/steal that, or was it simply a case of blacks and Hispanics living in similar areas and influencing each other? Likewise a white girl who sees a black girl with a cute hairstyle and adopts it should be viewed positively. Especially in light of "black hair is beautiful" movements. Shouldn't other cultures adopting black hairstyles be seen as validation of that?

We live in a melting pot, but it's a melting pot many black people are not even allowed to enjoy. Let's be real.

The cultural appropriation thing is particularly aggravating when it comes to hair. We are not allowed in many settings to wear our hair in a natural hairstyle, such as dreads or afros, but if a white girl gets dreadlocks, suddenly it's cute and "brave". At the same time, white girls wearing dreads may allow for further positivity towards the hairstyle in the future. But this all ties in to the innately racist element of our society that tells black people that we are not allowed our own culture. We shouldn't need white girls wearing dreads to make dreads an society sanctioned haristyle.



The answer to culture appropriation is more in the middle. "It's no big deal" is not only unhelpful, it's potentially socially harmful and passive. On the other hand, being overly emotional about isn't helping things either. I think it's wise to call appropriation for what it is, and leave it there. And that's all I have to say about that.
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Iggy's talent is getting exposure while having no talent. I don't think her rise is due to her being white. It's due to the industry being able to polish a turd and sell it as gold.
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Iggy's talent is getting exposure while having no talent. I don't think her rise is due to her being white. It's due to the industry being able to polish a turd and sell it as gold.

It's definitely a factor, but you're right.

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Same with pitbull.
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Pitbull is not a gold polished turd. You are buggin out Breh-san.
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White girls can't wear corn rows at most professional jobs either, let's be real. And while I agree that particular school sucks*, I'll be heading back to the office soon-ish: we have two black women with a hairstyle similar to that (but more curly). My brother has interned for a variety of firms, never gets complaints about his hair; you're my Facebook friend, check out his dreadlocks. My point is that plenty of hairstyles are fine in the work force. I understand why corn rows are looked down upon in a professional setting.

*She ultimately was not expelled. Also the school is a Christian private school, not some public school. I played basketball and took a class at a Baptist school: a variety of hairstyles and clothing were banned. A friend of mine dyed his hair during summer vacation, ran into a teacher at the mall in July...came back to school in September with his normal hair color and learned he had been given 50 demerits for dying his hair. So yea, let's not point to Christian private schools as standard operating procedure for how anything is handled.
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White girls can't wear corn rows at most professional jobs either, let's be real. And while I agree that particular school sucks*, I'll be heading back to the office soon-ish: we have two black women with a hairstyle similar to that (but more curly). My brother has interned for a variety of firms, never gets complaints about his hair; you're my Facebook friend, check out his dreadlocks. My point is that plenty of hairstyles are fine in the work force. I understand why corn rows are looked down upon in a professional setting.

*She ultimately was not expelled. Also the school is a Christian private school, not some public school. I played basketball and took a class at a Baptist school: a variety of hairstyles and clothing were banned. A friend of mine dyed his hair during summer vacation, ran into a teacher at the mall in July...came back to school in September with his normal hair color and learned he had been given 50 demerits for dying his hair. So yea, let's not point to Christian private schools as standard operating procedure for how anything is handled.

Depends on the job and setting though, doesn't it? Doesn't change the fact that they are considered "unprofessional" hairstyles by a large swath of people - many of which are black. At HBCU's for instance, these hairstyles are even banned for that very reason. So when some white girl wears, yeah, people are going to be mad. We can't even wear our own hair in some instances. It's definitely not the white girls fault,either. But I can't hate on them for being mad. Their anger is merely misdirected, not illegitimate. I have the same feeling towards Eminem and Macklemore (whom I like).
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And look, I'm sorry but white people with dreads



Not saying they can't have them, but they damn sure don't look good with them. Braids is your limit  :yuck


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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148645757&postcount=1851

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All that. For a shitty looking game.





This reminds me of when Shenmue fans in the gaf Shenmue thread thought there was going to be a Shenmue announcement for some Sony conference, so they made this.



Gaffers, man. Everything is some all or nothing thing for them, and this is coming from yours truly.

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148645757&postcount=1851

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All that. For a shitty looking game.


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This reminds me of when Shenmue fans in the gaf Shenmue thread thought there was going to be a Shenmue announcement for some Sony conference, so they made this.

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Gaffers, man. Everything is some all or nothing thing for them, and this is coming from yours truly.
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Sony exclusive, and then perceived sony exclusive.

I'm seeing a trend here.

Sony stans have lost their marbles dude :rofl
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Sony exclusive, and then perceived sony exclusive.

I'm seeing a trend here.

Sony stans have lost their marbles dude :rofl

Which is weird since the PS4 is winning, no need to over hype boring looking tripe. Enjoy the high of sales winner if that's what you're in it for.

I mean I get Bloodborne(I'm looking forward to that too) but The Order? No. You have some good exclusives and probably the better versions of third party games. Guess lord sony must be seen as do no wrong always to these weird ass stanleys. You saw that very late 599 defense thread. They should just chill, honestly.

They're hyping dog shit because those are the only exclusives the things got so far. So they need to hype their machine to separate it from the  xbone because dammit, sony is superior and they have to show why.
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If you see a white dude with dreads, ask yourself how you ended up at a Phish show.
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Xbots there are annoying as fuck, too. Check those NPD threads for that "Return Of The King" garbage.

Moral of the story: LOL gamers.

Don't forget that gaf is the nexus of video games.
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White girls can't wear corn rows at most professional jobs either, let's be real. And while I agree that particular school sucks*, I'll be heading back to the office soon-ish: we have two black women with a hairstyle similar to that (but more curly). My brother has interned for a variety of firms, never gets complaints about his hair; you're my Facebook friend, check out his dreadlocks. My point is that plenty of hairstyles are fine in the work force. I understand why corn rows are looked down upon in a professional setting.

*She ultimately was not expelled. Also the school is a Christian private school, not some public school. I played basketball and took a class at a Baptist school: a variety of hairstyles and clothing were banned. A friend of mine dyed his hair during summer vacation, ran into a teacher at the mall in July...came back to school in September with his normal hair color and learned he had been given 50 demerits for dying his hair. So yea, let's not point to Christian private schools as standard operating procedure for how anything is handled.

Depends on the job and setting though, doesn't it? Doesn't change the fact that they are considered "unprofessional" hairstyles by a large swath of people - many of which are black. At HBCU's for instance, these hairstyles are even banned for that very reason. So when some white girl wears, yeah, people are going to be mad. We can't even wear our own hair in some instances. It's definitely not the white girls fault,either. But I can't hate on them for being mad. Their anger is merely misdirected, not illegitimate. I have the same feeling towards Eminem and Macklemore (whom I like).

I've never seen it be a problem in a corporate setting. Diversity and all that jazz.
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Himu

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White girls can't wear corn rows at most professional jobs either, let's be real. And while I agree that particular school sucks*, I'll be heading back to the office soon-ish: we have two black women with a hairstyle similar to that (but more curly). My brother has interned for a variety of firms, never gets complaints about his hair; you're my Facebook friend, check out his dreadlocks. My point is that plenty of hairstyles are fine in the work force. I understand why corn rows are looked down upon in a professional setting.

*She ultimately was not expelled. Also the school is a Christian private school, not some public school. I played basketball and took a class at a Baptist school: a variety of hairstyles and clothing were banned. A friend of mine dyed his hair during summer vacation, ran into a teacher at the mall in July...came back to school in September with his normal hair color and learned he had been given 50 demerits for dying his hair. So yea, let's not point to Christian private schools as standard operating procedure for how anything is handled.

Depends on the job and setting though, doesn't it? Doesn't change the fact that they are considered "unprofessional" hairstyles by a large swath of people - many of which are black. At HBCU's for instance, these hairstyles are even banned for that very reason. So when some white girl wears, yeah, people are going to be mad. We can't even wear our own hair in some instances. It's definitely not the white girls fault,either. But I can't hate on them for being mad. Their anger is merely misdirected, not illegitimate. I have the same feeling towards Eminem and Macklemore (whom I like).

I've never seen it be a problem in a corporate setting. Diversity and all that jazz.

http://newsone.com/2867261/rhonda-lee-weather-woman-fired-natural-hair/

I can pull out a whole lot more examples.
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She wasn't fired for her hair, she was fired due to social media issues. The firing occurred after the second case of her responding to people on Facebook. Social media gets people fired every day. Personally I thought both of her responses were very well written and thoughtful, but...that's how the game works.

and being in Louisiana probably doesn't help either...
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I live in Texas, and know girls who have been told to change their hair in corporate settings. Over here, you can be fired for anything really. Tejas is an at will state.  :american Freedom :american
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White people have been making fun of white people with braids/dreads/rows for decades. Way to appropriate our self-loathing.

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I don't think I've ever known a white guy with dreds who wasn't a total scumbag.

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I don't think I've ever known a white guy with dreds who didn't smell like shit.
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White men with dreds ARE scumbags. This is fact.
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Sony exclusive, and then perceived sony exclusive.

I'm seeing a trend here.
You just don't get it, man. DriveClub is the truth and the light. It's not really an inexplicably popular mediocre racer that would barely merit mentioning if it was multiplatform.

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http://kotaku.com/near-impossible-super-mario-world-glitch-executed-for-t-1681109239

How in the world does anyone figure this shit out man?

Reading up on it, this exact run was originally done via emulation and using tool assists by a different person.

A tool assisted speed run is using some sort of plug in thing to display exploits via code, shit on screen being marked, it essentially gives players Neo like tools to beat a game. The assists aid the speedrunner tremendously, which is why those runs count as a different category altogether.

The run you linked to uses the methods found in tool assisted speed runs but there is absolutely no assistance, everything was done by a human. So he studied what happened with the tool assisted run, and did it by himself on actual SNES hardware.

 :expert
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http://kotaku.com/near-impossible-super-mario-world-glitch-executed-for-t-1681109239

How in the world does anyone figure this shit out man?
Using emulators and debugging tools to look at the memory, to see what happens when certain actions are executed. You can see the basic principle here:


Only instead of inserting and changing stuff, they just look at it and figure out how to manipulate it on the fly, sometimes using exploits and other stuff that's way beyond my ken. Proof-of-concept is probably done via tools too, as Mormapope pointed out. If the requirements aren't too strict anyone can conceivably execute it on the fly.

White men with dreds ARE scumbags. This is fact.

i know right? :noah

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vin

GAF Sony stans make it hard to cheer for the legit cool stuff some Sony teams do. Here we are a few days away from Grim Fandango finally being released for support with modern systems, partially thanks to Adam Boyes's team's help on getting Double Fine the license for it, yet they're hyping up The Order instead of all things. Talk about having your priorities terribly messed up.




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GAF Sony stans make it hard to cheer for the legit cool stuff some Sony teams do. Here we are a few days away from Grim Fandango finally being released for support with modern systems, partially thanks to Adam Boyes's team's help on getting Double Fine the license for it, yet they're hyping up The Order instead of all things. Talk about having your priorities terribly messed up.

It's important to support the product with the highest marketing budget. Hyping GF over a multimillion dollar product like THE ORDER 1886 would basically be like a slapping Sony in the face. Plus, GF isn't a true exclusive, therefore less reason to be excited.

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Oh well, I had a good run at gaf again.

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GAF Sony stans make it hard to cheer for the legit cool stuff some Sony teams do. Here we are a few days away from Grim Fandango finally being released for support with modern systems, partially thanks to Adam Boyes's team's help on getting Double Fine the license for it, yet they're hyping up The Order instead of all things. Talk about having your priorities terribly messed up.

Why support one of the best game stories of all time in place of more third person schlock? Sony stans are all about mediocrity these days it seems so long as it fits their sony agenda.
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