1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[nudemacusers]

that wiki/gg thread is now a good example of 'step away from the internet breh' if i've ever seen one. people are way too emotionally invested in this shit.

[Rahxephon91]

we have this final fantasy discussion every two weeks and i think rax posts his ranked list in every single one of them


i think he might copy and paste it from a .txt on his desktop

No, that was a joke about where every FF discusion will eventually go.

[Himu]

I actually have learned to respect VII a lot over the years, especially in today's gaming climate. A game that starts out with environmental terrorism that you fully participate in isn't something I think today's games would employ. FFVII, from the lens of today, is a game with huge, huge balls for some of the stuff it ventures into. I don't consider. VII that great of a Final Fantasy - it's actually lower-middle for me quality-wise - and I may be coming at this from the perspective of it being my first RPG, but a lot of the stuff in VII are things I don't think an RPG will ever venture into ever again. We live in a totally different society. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

VII would be an even better game if Sephiroth weren't in it and ShinRa were the main villains, and the rest of the game is spent doing terrorist missions.

I'm not saying that VII is the best game ever, but I think a lot of gamers do not give that game nearly as much credit as they should. You should go back and compare it to an RPG today. You literally cross dress in a red light district and bomb rectors and kill innocents. What balls that game has.

[Positive Touch]

well it's not just the story stuff that they wouldn't do today; the game structure itself isn't something that's really done today, especially in big budget games. all you shit talking youngins need to go back and check out the state of b and c tier games in the mid 90s to see just how huge of a leap ff7 and some of those other early big psx titles like resident evil were. incorporating movie-like tone and cinematics in your game was pretty damn mind blowing.

[Himu]

Yup. I think the people saying VII isn't that great or hasn't aged well haven't played it recently, or value graphics much more than me. But even then, the art direction kills most modern games.

[mormapope]

I actually have learned to respect VII a lot over the years, especially in today's gaming climate. A game that starts out with environmental terrorism that you fully participate in isn't something I think today's games would employ. FFVII, from the lens of today, is a game with huge, huge balls for some of the stuff it ventures into. I don't consider. VII that great of a Final Fantasy - it's actually lower-middle for me quality-wise - and I may be coming at this from the perspective of it being my first RPG, but a lot of the stuff in VII are things I don't think an RPG will ever venture into ever again. We live in a totally different society. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

VII would be an even better game if Sephiroth weren't in it and ShinRa were the main villains, and the rest of the game is spent doing terrorist missions.

Agreed. The moral or narrative balance should've been committing terrible acts of terrorism, and how the cast of characters justify what they do and why. Eventually the line ends up being blurred, "good versus evil" as a theme is completely lost, and the main cast of characters come to the conclusion that they wanted to mold the world from their own perspectives, that they didn't really appreciate other perspectives.

My favorite story moment is definitely this:


 

[Dennis]

that wiki/gg thread is now a good example of 'step away from the internet breh' if i've ever seen one. people are way too emotionally invested in this shit.

I am mostly surprised people in that thread are surprised Wikipedia doesn't want propaganda from either side on their site.

It is like people are shocked when they stumble on a rare example of what may be integrity.

[mormapope]

Also, I really dig the graphical style of PS1 games way more than 2D styled/sprite games nowadays. Its probably because of the massive wave of indie games the past few years. I'd gladly take MGS1 styled graphics over aped SNES/NES graphics.

[Himu]

Early 3d games have their charm. Never understood the viewpoint that they don't, but apples/oranges.

[Himu]

I think Daytona and Virtua Fighter look really good and aesthetically pleasing.

[nudemacusers]

[Himu]

[Mr Gilhaney]

 

[nudemacusers]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day



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[mormapope]

Honestly...


If you want shitty PS1 graphics:


Visually I don't think those examples are better than say, stuff from the PS2 era. But I miss that style in general. Graphics really peaked for me in 2001 with Metal Gear Solid 2, Silent Hill 2, and GTA3. I really wouldn't mind if games nowadays used PS2 assets, but ran at the highest resolution possible and locked at 60 fps.

[Mr Gilhaney]

Visually I don't think those examples are better than say, stuff from the PS2 era. But I miss that style in general. Graphics really peaked for me in 2001 with Metal Gear Solid 2, Silent Hill 2, and GTA3. I really wouldn't mind if games nowadays used PS2 assets, but ran at the highest resolution possible and locked at 60 fps.

Yeah. Silent Hill 2 through an emulator or just at great resolution on PC looks a lot better than some of the games coming out these days.

[Mr. Nobody]

 

[mormapope]

Meryl was hot as fuck back in the day though, dem triangle bewbies

 

[nudemacusers]

in retrospect the early 3d games owe their ugliness mostly to the angle terrain



this shit blew my mind back in the day

[Himu]

I just like how imperfect the characters and stuff look. I like filling in blanks with my imagination and I find today's games look too clean and perfect. I dunno. I think the flaws add character.

[nudemacusers]

i remember opening the spaceship door in unreal


...you can go... outside?!! 

[mormapope]

Its hard to tell if games suck more in general or if someone's own tastes have changed over the years and the industry itself hasn't changed that much. Truth is its probably a lot of both.

At this point I get more excited about PS2/Xbox/Gamecube games getting remastered than the newest hyped release.

[mormapope]

Instead of Aerith dying, what if Cloud was the one that gets killed?

 

[Himu]

For real, though. I think early 3d was hampered by resolution more than anything. When you see these games in high resolution and on good monitors, they look really good for what they are. Early 3d should be exemplified by arcade games on what their overall potential was.

If FFVII for example had character models as detailed as that despite the low poly count, I think people would a lot more forgiving, for example.

[Himu]

Cloud is an emo shithead. Sephiroth is a goth emo shithead.

The whole thing should have been about Tifa and Barrett with Cloud dying early on.

Cloud isn't emo at all.

[octopushover]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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now i know you didn't just fuck with descent

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Its hard to tell if games suck more in general or if someone's own tastes have changed over the years and the industry itself hasn't changed that much. Truth is its probably a lot of both.

At this point I get more excited about PS2/Xbox/Gamecube games getting remastered than the newest hyped release.

The risk and reward was at the perfect balance during the PS2/GC/XB era.  You could make some interesting games and if a game flopped, it didn't mean that your studio was going to shut down or that you'd be forced to make mobile F2P junk from there on out.  Also that was the first generation where the 3D didn't look hideous and load times weren't painful to endure.

[mormapope]

Two things:

You're not a kid anymore, and any big advancements graphically or game play wise have already been done. The transition from 2D to 3D was big, it changed everything and for a while every new game was like a completely new experience. Now? I've played enough games to know exactly how some game is before it even comes out.

That's why you saw people over hyping motion controls, and are now over hyping VR(Yeah cause most of the general population want to have something on their head covering their eyes at all times). They want big change again which probably won't happen. And when it does we tend to not get it(Minecraft, MOBAs, etc.).

Agree with all of this.

I'd like to add people tie innovation and hardware power together, that innovative gameplay, design, mechanics, whatever, are tied to hardware. While this is true in the simplest sense, innovation is really about using what's available to you to create something that feels different than the things around it. Innovation stopped being fueled by power arguably during the PS2 gen.

Innovation isn't the end all be all element of videogames, nor should it be. But it is often cited as a justification for new hardware that gets overhyped.

[nudemacusers]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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now i know you didn't just fuck with descent

descent 1/2 was dope as fuk i played it on kali/kahn/heat constantly. graphically it hasn't aged well at all tho, unlike sprite games.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=978641

[thisismyusername]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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now i know you didn't just fuck with descent

descent 1/2 was dope as fuk i played it on kali/kahn/heat constantly. graphically it hasn't aged well at all tho, unlike sprite games.

Guess I need to go back and play it. Doesn't D2X or whatever source port offer higher resolutions to where it doesn't look pixely?

[StealthFan]

PS2/Xbox/GC Truly the GOAT era.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148962287&postcount=3

didn't someone rock this exact avi before getting banned? hmm

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=157383

This dude... this dude is so angry about people liking Val Chron and the PC port while saying it's a "shit port" (it isn't, far from it, it runs on a fucking toaster) in each thread that Val Chron is mentioned in. Dude can't seem to let it go that people like what he doesn't like.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148971770&postcount=136

You were BANNED from the Valkyria Chronicles community on Steam because you made a load of half-assed unsubstantiated arguments about "choices in RPGs" and "no autosave".

How awful do you have to be to be banned on Steam community AND continue to hold a grudge against a game.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=157383

This dude... this dude is so angry about people liking Val Chron and the PC port while saying it's a "shit port" (it isn't, far from it, it runs on a fucking toaster) in each thread that Val Chron is mentioned in. Dude can't seem to let it go that people like what he doesn't like.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148971770&postcount=136

You were BANNED from the Valkyria Chronicles community on Steam because you made a load of half-assed unsubstantiated arguments about "choices in RPGs" and "no autosave".

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How awful do you have to be to be banned on Steam community AND continue to hold a grudge against a game.

lol same dude went full phone warrior meltdown not too long ago.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=974012

[thisismyusername]

  What the hell is his problem?

[mormapope]

The worst possible fate for him would be Valkyria Chronicles on the iPad or iPhone.

[doctavius bonbon]

TekGryphon is terribly unstable, yet entertaining.

[parallax]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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fuck descent. it didnt help that people i knew loved that shit and wouldnt play better games like x-wing vs tie fighter

[Mr Gilhaney]

Getting banned from Valkyria Chronicles community on Steam 

[nudemacusers]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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fuck descent. it didnt help that people i knew loved that shit and wouldnt play better games like x-wing vs tie fighter

[huckleberry]

that wiki/gg thread is now a good example of 'step away from the internet breh' if i've ever seen one. people are way too emotionally invested in this shit.

Ryulong is doing a great job of helping me understand why he/she was banned from editing pages on Wikipedia.

[parallax]

i can't hate tho cuz i was all about 3d pc games back in the day

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fuck descent. it didnt help that people i knew loved that shit and wouldnt play better games like x-wing vs tie fighter

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keep flaunting that garbage taste

[Mr. Nobody]

Its hard to tell if games suck more in general or if someone's own tastes have changed over the years and the industry itself hasn't changed that much. Truth is its probably a lot of both.

At this point I get more excited about PS2/Xbox/Gamecube games getting remastered than the newest hyped release.

The risk and reward was at the perfect balance during the PS2/GC/XB era.  You could make some interesting games and if a game flopped, it didn't mean that your studio was going to shut down or that you'd be forced to make mobile F2P junk from there on out.  Also that was the first generation where the 3D didn't look hideous and load times weren't painful to endure.

The creativity during this era 

[StealthFan]

Psi-Ops and Second Sight

Hulk: Ultimate Destruction

The Warriors

Shadow Of Rome

[parallax]

Psi-Ops and Second Sight

the fact that there will never be another psi-ops is depressing. same with metal arms. two games i bought on a whim that were fucking dope

[nudemacusers]

So because we are not emotionless machines and had been harassed by external forces throughout, it did make our comments a little less sugar coated as time went on. Wikipedia user "The Devil's Advocate" (hereon TDA) used this, and the fact that administrators showing up to clean up after the gator garbage by banning and blocking the worst Gator accounts that there was an imbalance in treatment in the pages which led to the arbitration case. TDA spent most of the evidentiary phase presenting as many diffs as he could that presented actions on the article itself and the talk page as completely out of context to paint everyone in a bad light. He constantly linked to content I had added to the page that was from reputable sources that depicted Gamergate negatively and comments I made that explained how anything from Gamergate's figureheads (e.g. Milo Yiannopoulos) could not be used on the page because of the reputations for never fact checking. They also used the one time I tried to list every "zombie account" I had found over a month long observation period and the request that they be banned from the site for obvious advocacy because I had accidentally included two admins who to me were spouting pro-GG statements. TDA has apparently been involved in a lot of other right-wing conspiracy theory pages. Someone on KotakuInAction even posted that he had been banned from 9/11 articles for pushing the conspiracy theories there before he became involved in the Gamergate shit.

Most of the people who have been brought forward for bans in this mess are not strangers to the arbitration committee. I was previously de-adminned by them in 2009 after I reacted poorly to one person's incessant actions in my favored topic area and also a couple of years of harsh blocks on users and IPs. I also have been blocked multiple times for edit warring, although in some of these cases it was later revealed to be editors who would later be banned for the shit I was reverting them for or I had unknowningly uncovered a banned user who had been sockpuppeting for years already. I should have done more work into getting administrative help, but often people wanted nothing to do with me, regardless of which method I went about to contact an administrator for help, nor did I want to be the type to constantly go to the incident board where people were already rolling their eyes when I was mentioned. I went into the IRC channel a couple weeks ago to get some help with something, and one of the chat members who is an admin on the site told me off and hoped that I would be banned from the site because he allegedly gets complaints about my behavior so often that he'd rather I be gone already.

I'm finding it rare to enjoy doing anything on Wikipedia lately. I'm absolutely hated by a fandom I am a part of because they don't like how I spell things according to the official trademarks rather than the "corrected" fansubs and I've gotten into petty arguments over including something in a section header because of a TV show.

[Himu]

The lack of an original xbox emulator is a sin against mankind and all good taste.

[mormapope]

2004 was such an awesome year to own a PS2 and Xbox.

GTA San Andreas
MGS3
Fable 1
Chronicles of Riddick
Burnout 3
KOTOR 2
Katamari Damacy
Rachet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal
NFL 2K5

 

Plus a boatload of other stuff.

[StealthFan]

Leaving Halo 2 out

Campaign was shit but dat multi

Go look up 2005 in videogames. Shit was so sick. We had it good brehs. It's been ten damn years

[StealthFan]

also Breakdown is an underrated 2004 title. Shit was bananas.

[Mr Gilhaney]

Rachet and Clank and Fable. 

[mormapope]

Leaving Halo 2 out

Campaign was shit but dat multi

Go look up 2005 in videogames. Shit was so sick. We had it good brehs. It's been ten damn years

My family still had dial up until sometime in 2005. So I could only play Halo 2 single player and no one around me wanted to do LAN stuff. 

NFL2K5 was a certified curb stomp on Madden. Tons of features (customize your crib, play football with B/C list celebrities), first person football mode, played like an actual football sim, all for $20.

$20!

Rachet and Clank and Fable. 

 

Fable 1 is a great action RPG that had some jank when it comes to combat. Fable 2 was a terrible sequel, Fable as a series died with Fable 1. Rachet and Clank is dope 

[Himu]

2004 was such an awesome year to own a PS2 and Xbox.

GTA San Andreas
MGS3
Fable 1
Chronicles of Riddick
Burnout 3
KOTOR 2
Katamari Damacy
Rachet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal
NFL 2K5

 

Plus a boatload of other stuff.

Ninja Gaiden.

Rachet and Clank and Fable. 

Ratchet and Clank used to be good.

[mormapope]

I jumped into that when NG Black came around. People embellished NG's difficulty back in the day, it wasn't that hard.

Shinobi on PS2 was secretly the hard as fuck game.

[Himu]

I jumped into that when NG Black came around. People embellished NG's difficulty back in the day, it wasn't that hard.

Shinobi on PS2 was secretly the hard as fuck game.

Ninja Gaiden is pretty hard. You only played on normal, didn't you?

[mormapope]

Yeah. 

[Himu]

Ninja Gaiden Black is how every game with difficulty modes should design their game around. Each new difficulty had new enemies, and the game becomes remixed. You fight enemies you would normally fight on the third or fourth level on the first level. AI enhanced, and is more aware of when you're exploiting the game and will block your crap, forcing you to play smarter and change how you play. AI is also more aggressive. They didn't merely give enemies more health and higher attack and call it a day.

[Mr Gilhaney]

 I didn't play all the ratchet games, but those I did (pre PS3) I didn't like much. Actually I can't think of any Insomniac game I liked other than Spyro, and that's so long ago I don't remember anything about it, other than liking it.

[StealthFan]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=975470

Knew the PC brigade would shovel in