1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[toku]

First playing Orta at times when there were like a billion things on screen in those environments I was like oh god graphics aren't topping this, even though I knew better.

Otogi was like that for me with it's destruction. God I can hear the fucking theme in my head right now.

[benjipwns]

Yeah those and Phantom Dust. Then the last two Burnouts with the detail near the tracks and the good parts of Black where there was smoke and dust and debris everywhere and walls are exploding and shit.

And Xbox games with that 5.1. There's a part in one of the Burnout Revenge levels where you drive through a narrow section with like stacked boats or canoes or whatever and you get the wind whipping from not just your speed and but it also seems like it's going through all the boats. And another stage where you're going back and forth through these pillars at hundred milles an hour and you get that wind effect. And I was losing it at how insane it was. 

There's something kinda underwhelming about a lot of popular games these days where there's not that connection between the environments and stuff. Like the environments stay so sterile and clean and quiet. Even though they look great and stuff. Burnout Paradise seemed to have that problem in comparison to 3 and Revenge. And I was expecting that stuff to take a leap up with the next generation after late Xbox stuff. That was one reason I loved the Bad Company games is just that leveling the environments and directional sound affected by the changes added a feeling of impact to the gameplay even though it was mostly just a cheap effect. Now you get LEVOLUTION where it's the same thing every time. And the similar thing in CoD: Ghosts.

Another reason I liked Far Cry 2 I think.

lol liking and playing video games

[Himu]

Fucking



Xbox

[Take My Breh Away]

If only Nvidia weren't a bunch of cheap-asses. Maybe we would have got that Dirty Pair/Bubblegum Crisis influenced Perfect Dark instead of that thing on 360 launch.

Project Gotham 2 Da GOAT racing game. Rallisport Challenge 2 as well

[SmokyDave]

The most hilarious and dangerous Coli expose in recent memory
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/suge-knight-mob-piru-orlando-anderson-and-the-south-side-compton-crips.289241/

Fireworks start here: http://www.thecoli.com/posts/12034397/

Coli poster pretends to be gang insider revealing intricate info and pictures about LA Pirus and Crips, turns out he stole all the information from the son of a well known Piru...who then shows up on The Coli to ether him


not to mention the hilarious thread derail about fucking chicks in wheelchairs 

lots of interesting info though, regardless.

Man that was an interesting read.

That site is like 'PopGAF Goes Gangsta' though.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I feel like we've been through the whole "this gen sucks" parade before, circa 2000 and 2007. Same "why would you upgrade to a system with no games" arguments too.

Also, does it really matter what platform you buy a game on? Even if you get a game on PS3, its still money spent on a Sony platform. With the PS4 still meeting sales expectations, i don't think they mind still making money off of people that don't want to get a PS4 yet.

I never really heard that in 2000.  Mostly because it was the first generation where the 3D looked halfway decent.  I think people were just happy not to stare at jaggies (PS1) or a blurry mess (N64).  You may have heard Segafags say it in 2001 when the Dreamcast was canned.  Still the best generation ever.

[ToxicAdam]

It seems like 2004-2005 was the peak of console gaming. In terms of quantity, quality and customer satisfaction.

[bork]

Once you get one of the new machines you start to not care about the older ones very quickly. I havent turned on my PS3 in a long while. I thought I'd jump right into KH2.5 but....

I'm in the same boat. I've gotten some PS+ PS3 games that I've been wanting to play ever since the PS4 came out, but then I remember how clunky the PS3 OS is by comparison and I quickly lose the interest to play them. I'm spoiled by how quickly i can start up a game now.

This is the first new console generation where this has been the opposite for me-- I still play a lot of PS3 while the PS4 just sits there.

[kick51]

Panzer Dragoon Orta is amazing but really fucking hard to do well in and, sometimes, just to survive the level. 

my modded xbox I got on craigslist is one the best purchases I've made.  Cost $50, gotten a ridiculous amount of fun out of it.  There are all the NTSC standards, but also a bunch of weird obscure and Japanese games that are fun to mess around with.  I'll be really sad when the HDD eventually dies or something else goes wrong.

And lets not forget motherfucking Otogi.  amazing game.  I've started the sequel and it seems like it'll be on par, with some improvements and some steps back (namely in the graphics department, much smaller FOV.)

It seems like 2004-2005 was the peak of console gaming. In terms of quantity, quality and customer satisfaction.

nah, a shitload of games came out last gen.  A lot of the AAA crap was bad, especially towards the end, but PSN/XBLA killed it.  Almost anything you could want got released or re-released and some hard-hitting new IPs came along.

[thisismyusername]

Once you get one of the new machines you start to not care about the older ones very quickly. I havent turned on my PS3 in a long while. I thought I'd jump right into KH2.5 but....

I'm in the same boat. I've gotten some PS+ PS3 games that I've been wanting to play ever since the PS4 came out, but then I remember how clunky the PS3 OS is by comparison and I quickly lose the interest to play them. I'm spoiled by how quickly i can start up a game now.

This is the first new console generation where this has been the opposite for me-- I still play a lot of PS3 while the PS4 just sits there.

I would probably be the same, if I wasn't downgrading my graphics experience by going from PC to PS3.

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I've got Catherine sitting here needing to be played. As well as going through Devil May Cry 1-2 again.

[close]

The XMB isn't the problem on the PS3 OS, BTW. It's the stupid lack of RAM and Sony not making an "OS" like the 360's. Even the NXE struggled on the "Blade" dashboard systems because there wasn't RAM reserved for that "graphical update"/dashboard OS update.

[kick51]

256mb of system ram and TLOU runs quite well on it. 

[thisismyusername]

256mb of system ram and TLOU runs quite well on it. 

Because the system allowed the game access to said 256mb. Try accessing in-game XMB. It'll take forever because there isn't system RAM reserved to allow it to stay in a memory cache ready to go.

[kick51]

yeah, it's just crazy how that thing runs that game.

but the seams of the XMB are all very visible.  There's a lot of weird, dumb stuff.  The time it takes to install after downloading something, the time it takes to delete, how long it takes to sync trophies, how it can't actually cancel the sync despite saying it does, folder organization almost seems like it was never meant to have so many games on the system at once, etc.  Way more dumb stuff than their should be for an OS that's almost simple text on a screen (which I like a lot.)

[kick51]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986924

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986924

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[kick51]

also, we only have one brand of chocolate you can buy in the USA:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986831

there's no other chocolate, just Hershey's brand "American chocolate"

[Am_I_Anonymous]

also, we only have one brand of chocolate you can buy in the USA:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986831

there's no other chocolate, just Hershey's brand "American chocolate"

I just ate a nestle's cruch

[ToxicAdam]

also, we only have one brand of chocolate you can buy in the USA:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986831

there's no other chocolate, just Hershey's brand "American chocolate"

Pretty deceptive article/thread. Hershey paid money to own/distribute the Cadbury product and that importing business is skirting around that agreement.

It's not uncommon at all to change the taste/flavor of a product to meet the expectations of the consumer in order to reach a wider audience. Americans are conditioned to enjoy their chocolate a certain way and seem to prefer it that way. If they didn't, then other creamier, richer chocolates would have flourished instead. Many companies have tried to sell a better product, but they remain niche.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Hershey's Chocolate is

Edit: Except Krackel...that shit is good. Then little bars you get during Halloween always disappear before they are given out to kids 

[Himu]

1997 - 2007 were the GOAT years of games for me. I highly doubt games will get that good any time soon, much less ever.

It was a nice ten year run.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

1998 - 2007 were the GOAT years of games. I highly doubt games will get that good any time soon, much less ever.

You crazy. 1988-1992 for the win.

[Himu]

I was three years old in 1988, and didn't start playing games till I was four, so let's settle with 1989-2007

[Positive Touch]

1982-2015

[Himu]

RIP games

[Positive Touch]

what? GAMES is evolving!

congratulations! your GAMES evolved into BUDGETGMNG!

[Himu]

Eternal life sounds like total dogshit and it doesn't surprise me that awesom-O would want to live forever

[mormapope]

Maybe forever is a long ass time, but people living to be 300 or 500 would be pretty neat.

[toku]

Fucking



Xbox

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NGB still the greatest third person action game.

[nudemacusers]

i gave up on ninja gaiden after the first level. i'm too casual 

[toku]

i gave up on ninja gaiden after the first level. i'm too casual 

That's kinda what that first level and dojo boss is there for. To separate the fuckboys from the savages.

 

[nudemacusers]

i don't remember which ninja gaiden it was but all i remember was going up a hill to a dojo and ninjas flying at me from every direction

[kick51]

Murai - separates the betas from the alphas
Alma 1 - separates the proletariat from the bourgeoisie 
Alma 2 - the gods from the humans


on VH and MNM.  everything before that doesn't even count.

also, we only have one brand of chocolate you can buy in the USA:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=986831

there's no other chocolate, just Hershey's brand "American chocolate"

Pretty deceptive article/thread. Hershey paid money to own/distribute the Cadbury product and that importing business is skirting around that agreement.

It's not uncommon at all to change the taste/flavor of a product to meet the expectations of the consumer in order to reach a wider audience. Americans are conditioned to enjoy their chocolate a certain way and seem to prefer it that way. If they didn't, then other creamier, richer chocolates would have flourished instead. Many companies have tried to sell a better product, but they remain niche.

I would guess the actual story is that Hershey's was better back in the day on their rise to popularity, then they slowly made it shittier to cut costs as they became firmly engrained as a cultural institution. 

[Himu]

Fucking



Xbox

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NGB still the greatest third person action game.

Bless you, Toku.

[mormapope]

I actually really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge when I played it, feel like people dump on the game just cuz.

[Himu]

No.

[mormapope]

 

My favorite character action games are DMC3 and Metal Gear Rising, nothing really comes close to those two.

[StealthFan]

[kick51]

I actually really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge when I played it, feel like people dump on the game just cuz.

for me, it was a step down from a step down and the moment I could declare the series dead.  A confirmation that Team Ninja needs Itagaki to make a good NG game.

[mormapope]

for me, it was a step down from a step down and the moment I could declare the series dead.  A confirmation that Team Ninja needs Itagaki to make a good NG game.

But what happens to Itagaki without Team Ninja?



 

[king of the internet]

Ninja Gaiden games were a little too frustrating for me. Shitty camera angles and annoying segments always got to me. Devil May Cry and Bayonetta are my shit. If I could bother spending more than like two hours a week playing videogames I would almost degrade myself into buying a Pii U for Bayo 2 and some other games.

[Mr. Nobody]

I actually really enjoyed Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge when I played it, feel like people dump on the game just cuz.

[Himu]

My favorite character action games are DMC3 and Metal Gear Rising, nothing really comes close to those two.

Just a general step down from 2 (360 version only), which despite its faults, was - my opinion - the best action game of the generation. I only played the demo, but it had enough red flags to ignore it despite ninja gaiden being my personal favorite 3d action series. If I'm slowly climbing a wall with kunai then you have missed the point of ninja gaiden. But hayashi has always sucked so it was expected.

[toku]

NG2 would have been a classic if it just didn't have so many technical problems and some awful design choices in the last third or so. I like the game a lot still anyway, but I wouldn't go around recommending it etc. Theres a level where it rains blood for portion of it, that's some basic shit toku loves. It's just the whole thing is too flawed. You can tell they must have been having development issues. Often to hit later parts of a level (and even the game) and have it feel like a whole different team did it/finished it.

DMC3SE is the only game that comes close to NGB.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

I'm firmly in the Macuser's group of "I played the game for 10 minutes and said fuck this noise" cultural gamers.

[Himu]

for me, it was a step down from a step down and the moment I could declare the series dead.  A confirmation that Team Ninja needs Itagaki to make a good NG game.

But what happens to Itagaki without Team Ninja?
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Pretty sure he took most of team ninja with him?

[Himu]

NG2 would have been a classic if it just didn't have so many technical problems and some awful design choices in the last third or so. I like the game a lot still anyway, but I wouldn't go around recommending it etc. Theres a level where it rains blood for portion of it, that's some basic shit toku loves. It's just the whole thing is too flawed. You can tell they must have been having development issues. Often to hit later parts of a level (and even the game) and have it feel like a whole different team did it/finished it.

DMC3SE is the only game that comes close to NGB.

NG2's combat is better than NG1's, though. It's a hard choice.

I thinK Vanquish is up there too. And of course RE4. I know a lot of people would put Bayo up there, but I never thought Bayonetta was all that. I mean, it's great, but it never clicked with me how DMC1 and 3 and NG did.

[toku]

I like bayo too but even on infinite climax you don't get that sense of accomplishment and push you get out of NG1 and DMC3. You had to achieve this razor sharp feeling to make it through DMC3 and NG1 whereas Bayo gives you so much room to breathe. Hardest section in Bayo 1 is the space harrier part.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=987104

Why do these nerds do this every month?

How about February "We'll actually turn off our playstation and go outside month?"

[Himu]

I like bayo too but even on infinite climax you don't get that sense of accomplishment and push you get out of NG1 and DMC3. You had to achieve this razor sharp feeling to make it through DMC3 and NG1 whereas Bayo gives you so much room to breathe. Hardest section in Bayo 1 is the space harrier part.

I think a bit part of this is the move set, I think. at least for me. NG and DMC let things progress. You start with one weapon, you master it, then you get another. You master that. But Bayo, iirc, gives you all these weapons all at once? And it gives me less of a reason to get good with each weapon? Does that make sense? Not a fan of that structure when it comes to action games.

[ToxicAdam]

I would guess the actual story is that Hershey's was better back in the day on their rise to popularity, then they slowly made it shittier to cut costs as they became firmly engrained as a cultural institution. 

I doubt it was much better back then. Hershey rose to fame by becoming the de facto chocolate bar of the WWII army. So, they made hundreds of millions of dollars by supplying the troops with their chocolate (an even waxier, hardier chocolate). They used that gush of money to basically market themselves into every corner store in America. Then the 50's hit and America had a ton of cash to spend on snacks, etc. 

At the time, they were competing with snacks like Twinkies, Charleston Chews, Necco Wafers, Pez, etc. In comparision to that stuff, a Hershey Chocolate bar was probably a godsend. Once you become an institution, you are pretty much a prisoner to that success and have to maintain the same taste for generations to come (like Coca-Cola learned in the 80's).

[king of the internet]

I like bayo too but even on infinite climax you don't get that sense of accomplishment and push you get out of NG1 and DMC3. You had to achieve this razor sharp feeling to make it through DMC3 and NG1 whereas Bayo gives you so much room to breathe. Hardest section in Bayo 1 is the space harrier part.

I think this is why Bayo is the only hardcore character action game I've completed. Hardcore meaning baby shit like God of War excluded. It's a decent enough challenge if you crank the difficulty but you still got witch time or whatever it's called to bail you out in tough situations.

[mormapope]

God of War 

[Mr. Nobody]

I had fun but by GoW3, it was a wrap for me.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Same with me

GOW was pretty awesome. By part 3 I was out like a fat kid in dodgeball.

[mormapope]

I beat GoW 2 once, when I tried to go back to it, I couldn't. The combat feels too constricted and the puzzles take up time instead of taking up your brain juice.

One of the reasons why I never really enjoyed the puzzles in a lot of the 3D Zelda games, they usually don't require any thought, just effort and time.

[kick51]

for me, it was a step down from a step down and the moment I could declare the series dead.  A confirmation that Team Ninja needs Itagaki to make a good NG game.

But what happens to Itagaki without Team Ninja?
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I have a feeling that game is gonna turn out awesome.  You've got Itagaki, a "when it's done" guy ,getting published by Nintendo, a "when it's done" publisher.  It looked pretty wtf at E3, but it doesn't even have a release date yet.  If we get a release date, then it gets delayed 5 more times, then it's guaranteed to be in the 3d action game hall of fame.

last time he took absolutely fucking forever on a doomed project in development hell, we got Ninja Gaiden.   

I like bayo too but even on infinite climax you don't get that sense of accomplishment and push you get out of NG1 and DMC3. You had to achieve this razor sharp feeling to make it through DMC3 and NG1 whereas Bayo gives you so much room to breathe. Hardest section in Bayo 1 is the space harrier part.

I think a bit part of this is the move set, I think. at least for me. NG and DMC let things progress. You start with one weapon, you master it, then you get another. You master that. But Bayo, iirc, gives you all these weapons all at once? And it gives me less of a reason to get good with each weapon? Does that make sense? Not a fan of that structure when it comes to action games.

Bayo trickles them out with the album pieces, which are sometimes a bit hidden.  then you buy moves in the shop and there are some much-harder-to-get weapons unlocked later.  It's about the same pace.  The weapons are also kinda weird, since their tied to bayo's weird combo system.   Though not Dante DMC4 weird.

I would guess the actual story is that Hershey's was better back in the day on their rise to popularity, then they slowly made it shittier to cut costs as they became firmly engrained as a cultural institution. 

I doubt it was much better back then. Hershey rose to fame by becoming the de facto chocolate bar of the WWII army. So, they made hundreds of millions of dollars by supplying the troops with their chocolate (an even waxier, hardier chocolate). They used that gush of money to basically market themselves into every corner store in America. Then the 50's hit and America had a ton of cash to spend on snacks, etc. 

At the time, they were competing with snacks like Twinkies, Charleston Chews, Necco Wafers, Pez, etc. In comparision to that stuff, a Hershey Chocolate bar was probably a godsend. Once you become an institution, you are pretty much a prisoner to that success and have to maintain the same taste for generations to come (like Coca-Cola learned in the 80's).

interesting, I had no idea they supplied the army. 

[kick51]

GoW is well below Shinobi + Onimusha.  Those games actually have rewarding high level play with competent combat design. They're both just kind of in their own categories.  Shinobi in particular is hard as shit.

[StealthFan]

Onimusha 2 owns.

[Himu]

Shinobi is the hardest 3d action game Jesus Christ Sega

[mormapope]

Shinobi 
Pretty awesome concept for the PS2 version, if you don't kill bitches, you lose health and die.

Onimusha is classic Resident Evil with swords and other weapons, really bummed that a HD collection hasn't come out for 1 through 3.