Author Topic: 1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt (Read 5923215 times)

Quote from: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on May 06, 2015, 11:20:24 PM
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=162988828

This is amazing. Can't wait for bootleg Brazilian 'Bore

I wonder what their Amir0x is like

Probably dead. Harder to get away with stealing money from poor people than Americans with disposable income

Atramental · « **Reply #31153 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:09:18 AM »

Quote from: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on May 06, 2015, 11:20:24 PM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=162988828

This is amazing. Can't wait for bootleg Brazilian 'Bore

HUEHUEHUEHUE!!!

WHO AM PAPANGU???

spoiler (click to show/hide)

/reirom

[close]

Tasty · « **Reply #31154 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM »

Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Kara · « **Reply #31155 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:27:11 AM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 07, 2015, 12:16:34 AM

This OT pissed me off like few others ever have.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041685

It starts off okay, but keep scrolling.

Shit has a Roy L homage cover (which is like meta-metafictive), don't H8.

VomKriege · « **Reply #31156 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:27:55 AM »

Quote from: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on May 06, 2015, 11:20:24 PM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=162988828

This is amazing. Can't wait for bootleg Brazilian 'Bore

This is the one that will be sold for a couple million dollars, leaving Evilore cuckolded...

Narolf · « **Reply #31157 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:31:25 AM »

So long he does not purchase NeoGAF Spain.

Kara · « **Reply #31158 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:41:29 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM

Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Nah, I've never read much Marvel and I was smiling at shit like Mayday Parker showing up. You need a doctorate in Crisis to understand Crisis.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #31159 on:** May 07, 2015, 01:02:51 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM

Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Too many fucking issues for what is simply "we're going to reboot our universe now, 'kay?"

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

Tasty · « **Reply #31160 on:** May 07, 2015, 01:23:34 AM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on May 07, 2015, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Too many fucking issues for what is simply "we're going to reboot our universe now, 'kay?"

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

The more issues they print the more they sell, unfortunately. Casual readers be damned.

DC does the same shit too for the record. Countdown to Final Crisis was horrendous.

Kara · « **Reply #31161 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:05:38 AM »

Crossovers are one of the worst things in comics and why I'll never be a regular reader of any popular comic / comic with writing aimed at persons over age 12. I remember reading Manhunter a few years ago--the one with the divorcee big city lawyah as the titular heroine--and the book is doing it's own thing, chugging along, and then BAM the post-Infinite Crisis event happens and forces an unnecessary time dilation on the story and a fuck awful tie-in where Manhunter defends Wonder Woman. (I read She-Hulk too.) The fuck DC, this is literally a D+ tier book and you dragged it into an A lister event. Why.

mormapope · « **Reply #31162 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:16:39 AM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1042120

Every time I've watched the new trailer I've turned into a blubbering idiot. I was on my break at work the first time and had to deliver mail with my eyes all red and watery. I've watched it numerous time and I fucking cry everytime. Today, I listened to a Star Wars podcast about the trailer and cried when they talked about how emotional they got.

So now my problem.

My wife wants to go see Avengers this weekend and the trailer is attached. I know I'm going to lose it seeing it on the big screen. Hell, just thinking of hearing Han say "Chewie, we're home" has my eyes turning red right now. I know my wife will fuck with me relentlessly if I can't keep a straight face during a stupid trailer.

Himu · « **Reply #31163 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:19:28 AM »

Crossover events is yet another reason Japanese and French comics > American comics

All I want to do is read Spider-Man, X-Men, Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Ms Marvel but you got this stupid crossover event happening I don't give a fuck about.

Chalk that up for another reason manga > American comics. American comics often have no path, ending, or story trajectory. They're just random stories one after the other, with zero consequence. Marvel is rebooting comics that are like 50 years old. 50. These comics don't end. They have no purpose. Most character development is thrown out the window. The villains keep coming back. Nothing changes. Contrast with manga. Yeah, you have some long running manga like One Piece or Naruto or Berserk, but all of those have a plot, villains to be defeated and never come back, a goal, a beginning, middle, and end. There's no reason Spider-Man for instance, or Batman, should even still be a thing. They should have finished their stories in the 90's or something. For good.

Want to know WHY marvel and DC keep rebooting the same comics over and over instead of just ending their stories and creating new books that are worth replacing them with? Because they're inferior to manga. Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Slam Dunk, City Hunter, Fist of the North Star, all that shit ENDED. They all have a beginning, middle, and end. End story. And this forces the publishers and creators to make new shit for readers to read out of NECESSITY.

American comics: the fucking WORST. Except when they're Ms Marvel.

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #31164 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:20:47 AM »

There are more than two American comic publishers.

Himu · « **Reply #31165 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:25:35 AM »

There's more than two American comic publishers but even Image makes most of their comics based around nerd genres (I.e. Walking Dead = zombies, SAGA;etc). It still lacks the sheer variety of comics around the world. Where's my American comic story about a group of high school drop outs who decide to make it by being in a band? Or a paraplegic basketball player? What about a professional musician?

I love American comics, but they are deeply flawed. Go to any comic shop and marvel and DC are 80% of what you will see, and 99% of THAT will be action or comedy oriented fare.

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #31166 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:35:35 AM »

Silent Hill 2 is the best video game of all time.

But whatever Konami and Kojima would have made would probably have been shit, not too bothered.... Don't have a PS4 yet, but my dad got PT installed on his, so I could just steal his one day.

Pickles the Firecat · « **Reply #31167 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:39:00 AM »

http://www.atomicsheepcomic.com/

Quote

Sixteen year old Tamrika Fuller is happy with her life. With good friends and good grades, she’s content to keep her options open for her future. But when her parents reveal they’ve been saving for several years to send her to their Alma Mater for her final years of high school – an old-fashioned boarding academy miles from her home in Vancouver – she’s thrown out of her comfort zone.

With no friends and a taciturn new room-mate, Tammy feels unmoored and deeply out of place. What’s more, her new school is heavily science-focused, with little to no thought for arts students. In an attempt to take control of her life and make something positive happen, Tammy starts an art club, while new relationships make her ask what it is she really wants out of life – and how to make it happen.

preview chapter | Amazon

Good book, if a bit YA.

mormapope · « **Reply #31168 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:39:24 AM »

MGS2 is better than Silent Hill 2. Kojima wins.

Kojima couldn't fuck Silent Hill up more, its state of being before P.T was that of JFK's blown off head.

StealthFan · « **Reply #31169 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:42:40 AM »

nah breh. SH2> MGS2.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31170 on:** May 07, 2015, 02:55:37 AM »

Was looking through some classic Coli threads, forgot about this
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/so-we-gonna-pretend-like-gohan-wasnt-dressing-like-a-90s-rapper.79066/

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #31171 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:02:48 AM »

Quote from: mormapope on May 07, 2015, 02:39:24 AM

MGS2 is better than Silent Hill 2. Kojima wins.

Kojima couldn't fuck Silent Hill up more, its state of being before P.T was that of JFK's blown off head.

He might not fuck it up as badly as Tomm Huelett and his clowns, but it would probably still have been poop.

Kara · « **Reply #31172 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:08:33 AM »

If we're just throwing out not-Big Two comics worth checking out, gotta rep Phonogram.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #31173 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:16:53 AM »

I rep Stumptown. Pre-Portlandia, it's one of the uncommon media set entirely in Portland, Oregon (aka best town in America). It's a neo-noir series. Two volumes so far, though the second volume is not as good as the first. Love having a female main character who can take a beating and keep on going. She definitely gets her ass kicked a lot, though.

Kara · « **Reply #31174 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:19:40 AM »

Greg Rucka

Tomm Hulett

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #31175 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:23:18 AM »

I really like the original metroid despite that it feels like a rom hack of itself

Himu · « **Reply #31176 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:28:02 AM »

For recent Image comics, I like Sex Criminals the most.

parallax · « **Reply #31177 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:29:33 AM »

Quote from: thisismyusername on May 07, 2015, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Too many fucking issues for what is simply "we're going to reboot our universe now, 'kay?"

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

the universe isnt being rebooted. this seems like an effort to bring certain aspects of the failed ultimate universe to the mainline

Quote from: Queen of Ice on May 07, 2015, 02:19:28 AM

Crossover events is yet another reason Japanese and French comics > American comics

All I want to do is read Spider-Man, X-Men, Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Ms Marvel but you got this stupid crossover event happening I don't give a fuck about.

Chalk that up for another reason manga > American comics. American comics often have no path, ending, or story trajectory. They're just random stories one after the other, with zero consequence. Marvel is rebooting comics that are like 50 years old. 50. These comics don't end. They have no purpose. Most character development is thrown out the window. The villains keep coming back. Nothing changes. Contrast with manga. Yeah, you have some long running manga like One Piece or Naruto or Berserk, but all of those have a plot, villains to be defeated and never come back, a goal, a beginning, middle, and end. There's no reason Spider-Man for instance, or Batman, should even still be a thing. They should have finished their stories in the 90's or something. For good.

Want to know WHY marvel and DC keep rebooting the same comics over and over instead of just ending their stories and creating new books that are worth replacing them with? Because they're inferior to manga. Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Slam Dunk, City Hunter, Fist of the North Star, all that shit ENDED. They all have a beginning, middle, and end. End story. And this forces the publishers and creators to make new shit for readers to read out of NECESSITY.

American comics: the fucking WORST. Except when they're Ms Marvel.

if you would have left it at franco belgian comics, you might have had a point. but manga? hell no. its not better, but different. for all the talk about capes being lame, mangas follow the same damn tropes that other mangas follow. marvel hasnt had a reason to reboot their line, and even now they dont. this seems to be an effort to bring the better aspects of a failed line over to the mainline, as well as trying to trim the fat for some reason. and comics do have direction. most comic lines are self contained stories that have a beginning and end, but involve previously established characters, or in a previously established world with new characters. and dragonball being better than anything? no.

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #31178 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:33:21 AM »

Comics

Rufus · « **Reply #31179 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:47:14 AM »

Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on May 07, 2015, 03:33:21 AM

Superhero Comics

more like

Himu · « **Reply #31180 on:** May 07, 2015, 03:53:46 AM »

Quote from: parallax on May 07, 2015, 03:29:33 AM

for all the talk about capes being lame, mangas follow the same damn tropes that other mangas follow.

Not true at all. Shounen (One Piece) and shoujo (Sailor Moon) are very different from say, seinen (Lone Wolf and Cub), and josei (Nana). There's definitely similarities between certain genres, but compare, say, Slam Dunk (shounen) to Nausicaa (shounen), and Jojo (shounen together) and you've got some widely varied stories. Unless you mean the fighting manga (DB, OP, Naruto) formula? Even then, compare seinen; Berserk, Natusuko's Sake, and Sanctuary are nothing alike. Compare to cape books, and they follow a basic similar structure. There's differences in story and themes, but they follow the same idea. Further, I'd say comparing shounen to cape books doesn't do shounen justice, because cape books are just cape books, while shounen encapsulates many different stories - as highlighted above - than just your typical Dragon Ball fight formula.

Where do martial arts manga like Yawara, Teppu, Haiime no Ippo fall in to this? What about romance like Kare Kano, Maison Ikkoku, or Kimagure Orange Road?

All of these genres and titles I mentioned intersect. While Slam Dunk is a shounen manga, it is also a manga not about fighting and power levels but High School basketball.

Your premise that manga all follows the same tropes, in defense of cape books (the majority of comics you will find at an comic store) is completely off base.

OnlyRegret · « **Reply #31181 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:10:04 AM »

Quote from: The Walrus on May 07, 2015, 12:16:34 AM

This OT pissed me off like few others ever have.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041685

It starts off okay, but keep scrolling.

The part about how it keeps going and going?

parallax · « **Reply #31182 on:** May 07, 2015, 04:18:25 AM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on May 07, 2015, 03:53:46 AM

Quote from: parallax on May 07, 2015, 03:29:33 AM

for all the talk about capes being lame, mangas follow the same damn tropes that other mangas follow.

Not true at all. Shounen (One Piece) and shoujo (Sailor Moon) are very different from say, seinen (Lone Wolf and Cub), and josei (Nana). There's definitely similarities between certain genres, but compare, say, Slam Dunk (shounen) to Nausicaa (shounen), and Jojo (shounen together) and you've got some widely varied stories. Unless you mean the fighting manga (DB, OP, Naruto) formula? Even then, compare seinen; Berserk, Natusuko's Sake, and Sanctuary are nothing alike. Compare to cape books, and they follow a basic similar structure. There's differences in story and themes, but they follow the same idea. Further, I'd say comparing shounen to cape books doesn't do shounen justice, because cape books are just cape books, while shounen encapsulates many different stories - as highlighted above - than just your typical Dragon Ball fight formula.

Where do martial arts manga like Yawara, Teppu, Haiime no Ippo fall in to this? What about romance like Kare Kano, Maison Ikkoku, or Kimagure Orange Road?

All of these genres and titles I mentioned intersect. While Slam Dunk is a shounen manga, it is also a manga not about fighting and power levels but High School basketball.

Your premise that manga all follows the same tropes, in defense of cape books (the majority of comics you will find at an comic store) is completely off base.

shonen and shoujo series have the same basic tropes for their given categories. with shonen its often main characters with something special about them that fall into worlds larger than anything theyve imagined, and and they rise, fail, and eventually overcome obstacles to meet their goals. theres training arcs, tournament arcs, vacation chapters, misunderstandings over inane shit, getting completely blown away by an enemy/rival to learn character limitations. shoujo has weak/clumsy female protagonists, prince charming like male romance leads, male harems with men of all types that all desire the main female. and internal growth. seinen and josei are more diverse than those categories true, but im not gonna pretend like manga is some comic sect that favors originality.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #31183 on:** May 07, 2015, 06:10:32 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 01:23:34 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on May 07, 2015, 01:02:51 AM
Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Too many fucking issues for what is simply "we're going to reboot our universe now, 'kay?"

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

The more issues they print the more they sell, unfortunately. Casual readers be damned.

DC does the same shit too for the record. Countdown to Final Crisis was horrendous.

The best part of Countdown to Final Crisis was Grant Morrison going "da fuq is this crap?"and just ignoring all of it when he wrote Final Crisis.

The second best part was Jimmy Olsen fucking a bug alien.

Narolf · « **Reply #31184 on:** May 07, 2015, 08:20:09 AM »

Quote from: brob on April 16, 2015, 04:17:38 PM

"pro-women" porn like nubile films or whatever is milquetoast shit for cowards who like to pretend their hyper-sensitivity toward women as fragile objects somehow makes them interesting. If you were actually interested in supporting "pro-women" porn you'd 1) pay for porn, 2) care about the staffing on the production and labor conditions. Also, the movies Belladonna, Bobbi Starr, Queen Snake, etc. make are hard as fuqq

I just re-watched a few nubile films at the moment, and I simply can't tell how you find them "milquetoast" at all. If anything, that kind of "porn" is much closer to the real thing while "hardcore" porn is pure, detrimental fantasy.

thisismyusername · « **Reply #31185 on:** May 07, 2015, 08:33:20 AM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 01:23:34 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on May 07, 2015, 01:02:51 AM
Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 07, 2015, 12:25:57 AM
Gotta hand it to Marvel, they wanted to outdo the impenetrableness of a DC Crisis event and they definitely succeeded.

Too many fucking issues for what is simply "we're going to reboot our universe now, 'kay?"

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

The more issues they print the more they sell, unfortunately. Casual readers be damned.

Sure, I get that. But reference it. Captain America is talking about some event in another series' comic? Make an editors note like comics of old. Stan Lee had no problems with telling people "if you want to know more about this reference, go here/this issue." Meanwhile the plot for the overarching event in regards to certain series/characters wouldn't be affected by fifty million other comic series/character's in the main cross-over event.

Tasty · « **Reply #31186 on:** May 07, 2015, 09:27:05 AM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on May 07, 2015, 02:19:28 AM

Crossover events is yet another reason Japanese and French comics > American comics

All I want to do is read Spider-Man, X-Men, Hawkeye, Daredevil, and Ms Marvel but you got this stupid crossover event happening I don't give a fuck about.

Chalk that up for another reason manga > American comics. American comics often have no path, ending, or story trajectory. They're just random stories one after the other, with zero consequence. Marvel is rebooting comics that are like 50 years old. 50. These comics don't end. They have no purpose. Most character development is thrown out the window. The villains keep coming back. Nothing changes. Contrast with manga. Yeah, you have some long running manga like One Piece or Naruto or Berserk, but all of those have a plot, villains to be defeated and never come back, a goal, a beginning, middle, and end. There's no reason Spider-Man for instance, or Batman, should even still be a thing. They should have finished their stories in the 90's or something. For good.

Want to know WHY marvel and DC keep rebooting the same comics over and over instead of just ending their stories and creating new books that are worth replacing them with? Because they're inferior to manga. Dragonball, Sailor Moon, Slam Dunk, City Hunter, Fist of the North Star, all that shit ENDED. They all have a beginning, middle, and end. End story. And this forces the publishers and creators to make new shit for readers to read out of NECESSITY.

American comics: the fucking WORST. Except when they're Ms Marvel.

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #31187 on:** May 07, 2015, 10:30:53 AM »

I'd rather read crossover events than manga that goes absolutely nowhere with distinguished mentally-challenged plot twists lightly peppered about

Himu · « **Reply #31188 on:** May 07, 2015, 10:41:28 AM »

Apples and oranges. I like that all I have to do is read One Piece or whatever else I'm reading. Nothing else. Not lists that I have to read in specific order. Just read a new chapter week to week or month to month. Nothing extra. I've walked into my comic shop multiple times only to ask,"I have no clue what's going on in this book anymore. What is the current story?" I shouldn't have to ask that. I should be able to continue from where I stopped last time because the entire story connects. No stupid cross over crap. One team that stays consistent. An actual plot, and ending. I talk to my comic friends and most of them even agree, at least about cross over events. My group that I go buy comics with are all ignoring Convergence and Secret Wars including me. "WHAT IS GOING ON? I DON'T GET CONVERGENCE OR SECRET WARS" is a common question statement. Pretty much all of us stick to centralized stories that are stand alone. Stuff like Moon Knight, Ms Marvel, Sex Criminals, and Saga. All of those are popular, hopefully DC and Marvel get the message: crossover events are ass.

Quote from: parallax on May 07, 2015, 04:18:25 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on May 07, 2015, 03:53:46 AM
Quote from: parallax on May 07, 2015, 03:29:33 AM

for all the talk about capes being lame, mangas follow the same damn tropes that other mangas follow.

Not true at all. Shounen (One Piece) and shoujo (Sailor Moon) are very different from say, seinen (Lone Wolf and Cub), and josei (Nana). There's definitely similarities between certain genres, but compare, say, Slam Dunk (shounen) to Nausicaa (shounen), and Jojo (shounen together) and you've got some widely varied stories. Unless you mean the fighting manga (DB, OP, Naruto) formula? Even then, compare seinen; Berserk, Natusuko's Sake, and Sanctuary are nothing alike. Compare to cape books, and they follow a basic similar structure. There's differences in story and themes, but they follow the same idea. Further, I'd say comparing shounen to cape books doesn't do shounen justice, because cape books are just cape books, while shounen encapsulates many different stories - as highlighted above - than just your typical Dragon Ball fight formula.

Where do martial arts manga like Yawara, Teppu, Haiime no Ippo fall in to this? What about romance like Kare Kano, Maison Ikkoku, or Kimagure Orange Road?

All of these genres and titles I mentioned intersect. While Slam Dunk is a shounen manga, it is also a manga not about fighting and power levels but High School basketball.

Your premise that manga all follows the same tropes, in defense of cape books (the majority of comics you will find at an comic store) is completely off base.

shonen and shoujo series have the same basic tropes for their given categories. with shonen its often main characters with something special about them that fall into worlds larger than anything theyve imagined, and and they rise, fail, and eventually overcome obstacles to meet their goals. theres training arcs, tournament arcs, vacation chapters, misunderstandings over inane shit, getting completely blown away by an enemy/rival to learn character limitations. shoujo has weak/clumsy female protagonists, prince charming like male romance leads, male harems with men of all types that all desire the main female. and internal growth. seinen and josei are more diverse than those categories true, but im not gonna pretend like manga is some comic sect that favors originality.

Where did I say manga favor originality? I think some manga has a lot of tropes, certainly. But many types of stories are easily avoidable. If you don't like harem manga, you can avoid it. Fan of sports manga? Read that instead of power level shit. If you want to read Rose of Versailles instead of your standard ditzy Sailor Moon shoujo you can. Why read shounen or shoujo at all unless they're One Piece? Those are for teenagers. If you want, you can just stick to seinen or jousei. If you want alternative American comics, you are limited to graphic novels, Image, Oni, IDW, and Dark Horse, and most of those (especially ODW and Dark Horse) is still super hero shit.

With American comics you mostly cannot do that unless you're talking about web comics. The bulk of American Comics are DC and Marvel. Go to any comic shop and that's 95% worth getting. There's Image, Oni Press, and alternative comic pubs, but let's be honest. Those are just a few companies. Compared to entire genres? Manga wins out every time.

And complaining about those tropes sounds pretty redundant given the bulk of American comics are about young men who got into an accident, their parents were killed, or both, who has to rise up to the responsibility of their new abilities for the good mankind as they battle between the small - small time alley robbers - to the big - intergalactic aliens! Pretty much every cape book has that set up. Shounen by comparison, is far more varied. These books have no plot, stories are done story to story without much consequence, reboots and retcons are common. Character development is often static: what kind of person is Superman now? Oh the same Superman he always has been. How many times has Batman fought the Joker? How man times does that story really need to be told? This is why Spider-Man was as good as it was. Stories are connected, forcing you to shell out dough for multiple books instead of just having one goddamn story, within one goddamn comic, with one goddamn writer and artist. If you want to avoid the stupid big events like Secret Wars? You can't. Because it invades every book. Thankfully there's exceptions.

Most people would agree too. Marvel and DC's monopoly is thankfully declining.

http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a542623/marvel-dc-comics-see-declining-market-share.html

Himu · « **Reply #31189 on:** May 07, 2015, 11:25:18 AM »

Seriously doe, is there any other country that makes better comics than France?

That Francois swagger.

The amount of French comics not translated into English.

Actual diversity in topics, actual human stories, and not supernatural bullshit.

Stuntin' on America

I have no idea what's going on over there: if we are just getting the best French comics have to offer (doubt it because there's plenty not translated) or if French is the GOAT comic country. Like anything, it's probably a mix of the two but STILL

Interesting stats: In 2013, 5,519 comic books were published in France, of which 25% were new editions and anthologies and 75% were new titles."

Actually, if you look at most graphic novels, the best tend to be made outside of America in general.

brob · « **Reply #31190 on:** May 07, 2015, 11:40:20 AM »

Métal hurlant

F'Murr

Himu · « **Reply #31191 on:** May 07, 2015, 11:57:53 AM »

GIMENEZ

Quote from: brob on May 07, 2015, 11:40:20 AM

Métal hurlant

F'Murr

Never read F'murr

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #31192 on:** May 07, 2015, 11:59:51 AM »

Ouiaboo

Himu · « **Reply #31193 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:10:39 PM »

Tasteaboo

brob · « **Reply #31194 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:13:05 PM »

F'murr is unfortunately not widely translated. I believe some of his Le Génie des alpages was translated into english under the title The Genius of the Mountain Pastures (per wikipedia). It was one of my favorite comics as a kid.

Himu · « **Reply #31195 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:19:52 PM »

Quote from: brob on May 07, 2015, 12:13:05 PM

F'murr is unfortunately not widely translated. I believe some of his Le Génie des alpages was translated into english under the title The Genius of the Mountain Pastures (per wikipedia). It was one of my favorite comics as a kid.

This is the trouble with French comics. I'm not going to learn French just for their comics, but when I start working on Spanish, I'll definitely try to find F'murr in Espanol. French comics are widely translated in Spanish, so that's two birds one stone but with more salsa.

Have you read Bourgeon?

I've heard about the strong female protagonists, which has always enticed me but never read em.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #31196 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:40:33 PM »

America

I got your strong female protagonists right here.

brob · « **Reply #31197 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:51:14 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on May 07, 2015, 12:19:52 PM

Have you read Bourgeon?

I've heard about the strong female protagonists, which has always enticed me but never read em.

My dad used to be subscribed to a comic book publisher and often we would get random stuff for free*, that's how I got stuff like moebius, Druillet, etc. I remember having an hardback issue of Cyann Saga, but I don't remember much of it. I preferred Modesty Blaise for ruff n tuff lady stuff.

* due to the random, free-sample nature of this scheme I would often have only one issue of a comic book, or sometimes a couple of issues out of order. So I tended to gravitate towards those that would often be capsule stories, or entirely devoid of any overarching story.

milchs evil twin · « **Reply #31198 on:** May 07, 2015, 12:51:16 PM »

Tintin ain't french

Tasty · « **Reply #31199 on:** May 07, 2015, 01:07:33 PM »

Himu you're providing me some excellent ammo for me to continue in my French-learnin'

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