1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[Mr Gilhaney]

I have no idea what phantom dust is or if it was cancelled, but last guardian was certainly not cancelled at any time... Just had huge development trouble, with a tiny team, with Ueda being his usually demanding self, trying to make a game for a notorious hard platform. Nothing wrong about having believed. The lord showed it's birddog face again. 

[zomgee]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068219&page=5

Sony stanleys screaming that MS are lying about the status of Phantom Dust and they cancelled it four months after it was removed from the original dev. Despite being the ones screaming that The Last Guardian was never cancelled for seven years.

 

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The leaked vertical slice was fucking atrocious and the fact that first studio had sketchy finances already makes me wonder how the fuck that studio got Phantom Dust in the first place

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[VomKriege]

Well, Shenmue drama will certainly be high and entertaining for the coming month :

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169390822&postcount=121

[Tasty]

"limping" KS

[Mr. Nobody]

I'm still in awe of Suzuki not planning to wrap up the story with 3.

[Rahxephon91]

Dude is getting greedy.

[Jansen]

I'm still in awe of Suzuki not planning to wrap up the story with 3.

you're kidding

[Tasty]

AMA: Shenmue 3 is just the start. How successful does the game need to be for us to get Shenmue 4 and so on until the saga is complete?

Yu Suzuki: If the fans are not happy with 3 there will not be a 4. So I please hope we can together make this game the best it can be.

Suzuki has said ending it in 3 is impossible over the years. Although his vision is 5 games, if need be - and we are definitely in "need" here - he can cut it to 4 but no more. 3 ending the story is impossible. The problem is your own expectations of the story ending. Suzuki has never said it would over the years. Never. Ideally, he wants 4. If 3 does well, and it very well may, we will get Shenmue 4. If it doesn't do well, at least got 3. There is no reason to compromise quality for a need to rush to the ending. Especially a game like Shenmue, which is as much about the journey.

Fans don't want an ending from 3. We want continuation.

[Kara]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

[Supermanisdead]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

I await whilst praying
For the realization of this destiny, predetermined since ancient times

[Purple Filth]

I will continue to say that Killzone 2 was an alright game (regardless of Rico being a POS)

[Rahxephon91]

I will continue to say that Killzone 2 was an alright game (regardless of Rico being a POS)

Because it is. I don't remember having any problems with the controls or anything. It played differently from most console FPS at the time and had an interesting slower pace to it. Gun battles felt more tense then chaotic and it had a solid cover system. Of coarse the art design and graphics were and are still pretty great. It's an ok series. Nothing fantastic, but ok. The first one is pretty shitty and the 3rd one is far too generic, but the 2nd one is an ok 2nd tier fps. Shadow Fall is whatever.

[zomgee]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

For 2 million dollars he won't even make it out of the cave.

For the price of a cup of coffee you can get Ryo out of the cave.

Save the Shenmue.

[Joe Molotov]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

If the Shenmue 4 Kickstarter reaches 20 Million Dogecoins, there will be a Vita 2 edition. Please stop hurting the cause. ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨

[zomgee]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

If the Shenmue 4 Kickstarter reaches 20 Million Dogecoins, there will be a Vita 2 edition. Please stop hurting the cause. ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨

[Kara]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

For 2 million dollars he won't even make it out of the cave.

For the price of a cup of coffee you can get Ryo out of the cave.

Save the Shenmue.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Every 60 seconds in Japan, a Dragon Mirror is taken from a dojo. Together we can stop this. Please spread the word. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[octopushover]

Fuck, Ryo is going to get stuck in another cave.

If the Shenmue 4 Kickstarter reaches 20 Million Dogecoins, there will be a Vita 2 edition. Please stop hurting the cause. ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨

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brb going to print this out and use it as a custom build for the board game "Guess Who"

[octopushover]

"is this person embarrassing to look at?"

"yes."

*does not flip anything down*

[Yulwei]

i don't see how they can make a shenmue that lives up to the first 2 with a KS level budget. game is probably going to be trash

[zomgee]

i don't see how they can make a shenmue that lives up to the first 2 with a KS level budget. game is probably going to be trash

You are in a cave.

>_

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1066072

The return of the Nintendo Phone delusion.
Yes, that medium sized company already somewhat struggling to be relevant in a competitive market should migrate to an hyper-competitive market it has no prior experience in and with its own OS.

The bluest ocean Nintendo could ever possibly find
 

[Shadow Mod]

Gonna be a good one

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068217

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474124

 

[VomKriege]

Evilore, June 2015

Stop marrying black dudes

[Mr. Nobody]

filler, if you will

[Kara]

Evilore, June 2015

Stop marrying black dudes

Dovetails nicely with the posters here going about Comrade Pretends-to-be-a-Pedophile drawing a line in the sand about posting in bad faith.

[Shadow Mod]

Dovetails nicely with the posters here going about Comrade Pretends-to-be-a-Pedophile drawing a line in the sand about posting in bad faith.

I would have linked that first but it's gone? Mods can't be having glaring hypocrisy ready and waiting when lecturing everyone else about posting.

[thisismyusername]

I'm still in awe of Suzuki not planning to wrap up the story with 3.

Welcome to what I said in the Shenmue 3 thread a few days back.

Be glad you're getting a 3, Himu. It seems you're not going to get another one for a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG (read: if ever) time, much less conclude the series in your life time since he won't just throw the goddamn novel out.

[Himu]

Waited ten years already, who gives a shit.

[VomKriege]

The story concluding is not that really important. Especially in a game. But that's just me.

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37882760&postcount=171

 

[thisismyusername]

Why care if Shenmue's story ends if you don't like the games though? I don't like the games and I can't muster up a fuck to give. I'm pretty sure fans are just happy to get a new one. That in itself is mind boggling.

I'm not saying to not be happy with a three. I'm saying not be happy with the fact he has the entire thing plotted out and won't just finish the goddamn thing in any way he can. Be it Shenmue 3 (which probably ain't gonna happen at this point with it), with a novel, with a movie with SOMETHING you know? It's like J.R.R. Tolkien having his entire Middle Earth world built out and plotted and written in a novella/epic and then releasing two volumes of Lord of the Rings as a film and going "oh, but I don't want to make a comic/novel conclusion because <insert movie studio here> isn't going to give me the money to make a third film. I want to make a third film. "

(Or replace J.R.R. with George R. R. Martin and Game of Thrones. But we'll see if his "this is how the TV show ends in my mind with the novels" theory works since that is kinda a different beast with him NOT writing the entire thing out. I guess a better example would be J.K. Rowling with the Harry Potter series and having the entire plot plotted for years but then never concluding the series if it bombed)

[Himu]

Username:

No one gives a fuck about 4. Suzuki doesn't give a fuck. Shenmue fans do not give a fuck. Only you and a small group of others seem concerned about an ending. No one gives a shit. You want Suzuki to put three games worth of content in one game? Fine. The rest of us will use common sense and fucking deal with it. You keep using that word never, when this past E3 should be a lesson on the word never. Two weeks ago, Shenmue III was not even a thing, yet you keep bringing up endings when no informed Shenmue fan even thought III would end the series.

No one cares. People will care when we play III and beat it. But I certainly wouldn't use the word never in this light. Right now everyone is concentrating on 3.

No one cares about an ending in III. No one. People have been pushing for a continuation of the story, not an ending.

[thisismyusername]

"You want Suzuki to put three games worth of content in one game?"

No, but I'd like him to actually execute an ending instead of people begging him for years to make a continuation and "get Ryo out of the cave."  If Shenmue 3 ends neatly with Lan Di or whoever is the bad guy's death/justice/whatever in 3, great. But he shouldn't leave plot-points hanging for a 4. IMO, he should have a nice clean "cut"-breakpoint for 3 in case there is never a 4.

To sit there with his novel-sized plot/world-builder and go "yeah, but I want to make it a game. " when some fans have wanted a conclusion to Ryo's plot is (IMO) massively stupid. It's like taking your ball and going home when Sega didn't give him the method of doing it the way he wanted.

[Himu]

And a Shenmue novel or movie would be shit. The reason people passionately love it is because of how it uniquely tells its story within the gaming medium.

What's next, a Half Life 3 movie?

[Shadow Mod]

Long arguments about Shenmue in 2015.

Life really is cyclical.

[thisismyusername]

And a Shenmue novel or movie would be shit. The reason people passionately love it is because of how it uniquely tells its story within the gaming medium.

Well, I'm glad that "uniquely telling it's story in the gaming medium" is going to get a third game. Pray it gets a fourth, I guess.

What's next, a Half Life 3 movie?

At this point, I'd take that over 10+ years of praying Valve will conclude the series. Better than waiting until you're 60 for that.

(Not that I give a shit about either of these. I'm more pointing to Yu sitting on the ending instead of just putting it out there)

[VomKriege]

Yu Suzuki shall henceforth be known as Brother Number 1.

Long arguments about Shenmue in 2015.

Life really is cyclical.

Well, strap yourself on, for in 2022 we'll be discussing if Sephiroth is really a bad guy. And why Cait Sith is in this game.

[Himu]

So you're telling me you're pushing for an ending when you don't give a shit about it? So what was the point of this convo again?

[Himu]

Yu Suzuki shall henceforth be known as Brother Number 1.

Long arguments about Shenmue in 2015.

Life really is cyclical.

Well, strap yourself on, for in 2022 we'll be discussing if Sephiroth is really a bad guy. And why Cait Sith is in this game.

I do wonder if cait sith is in the remake hopefully not.

[thisismyusername]

So what was the point of this convo again?

Me pointing out that Yu is stupid for not just finishing the story years ago in a companion novel/comic/whatever cheaper method instead of having fans go "BUT HOW DOES THE STORY END" at him/begging for a continuation when Sega already said "yeah, no" to the entire idea of making a 3.

"NEVER SAY NEVER USER--"

Yeah, pie in the sky dreaming is better than actually finishing what you started and wrote down. Right. Sorry, but as a writer I find it stupid to sit on your manuscript when you have various avenues of publishing the story because the one way you want to finish it doesn't want to open that door. When one door closes, another opens and all that. This same thing bothers me with TV series that make some sort of meta-plot and think they're going to get 5+ seasons of the show and then are cancelled within the first two with no companion piece to conclude. Why would you plot so far ahead/messily if you can't neatly-with-a-bow execute the entire thing?

[Great Rumbler]

Yu Suzuki shall henceforth be known as Brother Number 1.

Long arguments about Shenmue in 2015.

Life really is cyclical.

Well, strap yourself on, for in 2022 we'll be discussing if Sephiroth is really a bad guy. And why Cait Sith is in this game.

I do wonder if cait sith is in the remake hopefully not.

They aren't going to take out Cait Sith.

[VomKriege]

Yu Suzuki shall henceforth be known as Brother Number 1.

Long arguments about Shenmue in 2015.

Life really is cyclical.

Well, strap yourself on, for in 2022 we'll be discussing if Sephiroth is really a bad guy. And why Cait Sith is in this game.

I do wonder if cait sith is in the remake hopefully not.

They aren't going to take out Cait Sith.

They took Stella from us. And she was much more significant. 

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I think will go down a mostly faithful remake, but who knows ?

[Himu]

Make Cait Sith Reeve full on. If I have to suffer and watch a voiced cutscene of Cait Sith related ANYTHING when I buy that game :argh

[Kara]

Cait Sith in next gen Uncanny Valley pseudorealism. 

[thisismyusername]

They took Stella from us. And she were much more significant. 

She was secretly Creepy Stalker's mother. That's why they cut her out of 15.

[Himu]

So what was the point of this convo again?

Me pointing out that Yu is stupid for not just finishing the story years ago in a companion novel/comic/whatever cheaper method instead of having fans go "BUT HOW DOES THE STORY END" at him/begging for a continuation when Sega already said "yeah, no" to the entire idea of making a 3.

"NEVER SAY NEVER USER--"

Yeah, pie in the sky dreaming is better than actually finishing what you started and wrote down. Right. Sorry, but as a writer I find it stupid to sit on your manuscript when you have various avenues of publishing the story because the one way you want to finish it doesn't want to open that door. When one door closes, another opens and all that. This same thing bothers me with TV series that make some sort of meta-plot and think they're going to get 5+ seasons of the show and then are cancelled within the first two with no companion piece to conclude. Why would you plot so far ahead/messily if you can't neatly-with-a-bow execute the entire thing?

So Yu is stupid but somehow you think are making all these statements without being informed, thinking Shenmue is a full on revenge story when it's really about a coming of age story of a kid who get consumed by the idea of revenge and all the nastiness it brings as he walks a line towards his own perdition and you expect this epic story that spans two countries and at least a half a dozen locations to wrap up neatly in one game? never mind Ryo's character development in 2, ending the game with a confrontation with Lan Di in 3 would be terrible. I'd rather not have an ending than a rushed, terrible, compromised vision of a game.

[Himu]

Cait Sith in next gen Uncanny Valley pseudorealism. 

I'm really not looking forward to the scene where he kills himself with voices. God kill me.

[Kara]

Cait Sith in next gen Uncanny Valley pseudorealism. 

I'm really not looking forward to the scene where he kills himself with voices. God kill me.

Remake a 16-bit style RPG in 20XX y'all.

[Himu]

Cait Sith in next gen Uncanny Valley pseudorealism. 

I'm really not looking forward to the scene where he kills himself with voices. God kill me.

Remake a 16-bit style RPG in 20XX y'all.

The people who are rooting for an FFVI remake are in a for a rude awakening. "Son of a submariner" and "HATE HATE HATE HATE" with modern cutscene direction and voice acting  

[mormapope]

I'd wager there are plenty of Shenmue fans that want that Lan Di confrontation and wouldn't mind if the series ended with Shenmue 3. You can argue they don't "get" the series, but if they're paying money for Shenmue 3, they're just as important as the diehard fans that know what Yu Suzuki eats for breakfast everyday.

[Rufus]

They'll probably add a significant amount of anime 'cool', if Advent Children is any indication, but that's fine so long as they stick as close to the source as possible.

[milchs evil twin]

As a die-hard Shenmue fan, Shenmue fans seem to generally be somewhat... prone to going overboard.

Also, hello Devo!

[zepblackstar]

The fact it got to 13 pages scares me

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068308

[Himu]

They'll probably add a significant amount of anime 'cool', if Advent Children is any indication, but that's fine so long as they stick as close to the source as possible.

A cool Cait SIth? Impossible.

As a die-hard Shenmue fan, Shenmue fans seem to generally be somewhat... prone to going overboard.

Also, hello Devo!

I find it brings this out in anyone who has played them. There's rarely any middle ground and both sides swing passionately. You either really, really love it or you really, really hate it. It's just one of those things.

[Shadow Mod]

The fact it got to 13 pages scares me

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068308

Arguing about the tit aesthetics of a video game character older than some of the posters even discussing the matter. What a life.

[Supermanisdead]

my shenmue fanfiction ends after 12 chapters

[team filler]

Gonna be a good one

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1068217

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474124

 

welcome back you dumb biiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169408976&postcount=226

I have time-traveled from the distant future of 2019 to let you all know that, no, Square Enix is not back and we were all wrong. They became something worse. Far worse. It was folly, all of it!

Star Ocean 5, in an attempt to outdo SO3, reveals that WE are actually characters in a computer game, programmed to play even more computer games. It's really quite zen, but the realization causes a collective implosion of PS4s resulting in many lawsuits.

Nier 2, true to their word, ends on a joyously happy note. There are rainbows, sunshine, kittens, puppies, lolipops, Santa Claus... but it's so happy that when you turn the game off, you realize how awful and less colorful real life is, and then you get more depressed than any time prior. That was their intent all along.

Final Fantasy XV is released. It sells well, but the story takes a nose-dive in the final act when it's revealed that Noctis was the car all alone, with his friends riding him through a trippy Gainax-induced apocalypse that culminates in them bumping into Lightning in rural France.

Rise of the Tomb Raider comes out and sells over 10 million copies. Square Enix calls it a disastrous release since they expected at least 50 million. Crystal Dynamics is closed up shortly thereafter.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided succeeds... too well. It divides all of mankind in real life after half the planet augments themselves with robot arms and legs that do everything from peeling potatoes to earning their own Ph.D's in nano-science. The have-nots blame the game for making them feel inadequate in their normal, human, fleshy bodies, and retaliate by burning Eidos to the ground.

Final Fantasy 7 remake comes out and is so good that nobody buys any other games ever again because they only need this one game for the rest of eternity. The video game industry crashes for good and never recovered. There are piles of unsold copies of Parasite Eve 3 and Bushido Blade 3 now in a landfill in Arizona.

The secret Project Setsuna JRPG turns out to be a ruse. It was a real-life JRPG simulator about a great video game CEO who had to level up in cash and prestige to defeat boredom until he could retire to a golden island filled with Cactars and genetically created Chocobos and moogles, populated only by test-tube women resembling Lightning and Vaan.

Final Fantasy XIV gets the best new expansion. No one leaves their rooms ever again, meet new people, or have sex. The global population plummets 50% and birthrates decline into the single digits.

Just Cause 3 is released. It's pretty fun, actually.

Square Enix announces six more Dragon Quest games. None of them come to America. I'm told they're good.

Kingdom Hearts III is released and conquers the world. I'm currently writing this while a Heartless guard patrols outside my bedroom window. It's nearly 2:00 p.m, which is our mandatory sing-along time to sing "Let It Go". At 3:00 p.m., we have Lightsaber demonstrations. 4:00 is mandatory Avengers movie group watchings. Disney is all. Disney is life. The Mouse watches all. We can't escape. We can never escape.

 

[Kara]

bumping into Lightning in rural France.

Creepy Stalker is John Titor.

[zomgee]

Shenmue III ends with Ryu in a dark cave. As he walks he trips on a pile of Shenmue disks. Turning his flashlight on he sees a Dreamcast and a CRT. He gazes at the player.