1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[nudemacusers]

Is the community drunk thread (my old stomping ground) still alive and kicking?

all the og posters have bailed. they should all just jump ship to here tbh.

[Rman]

Which game developers. Shadow Mod?

HaloGAF had some 343 regulars.

I see. They can post in the game threads.

[Shadow Mod]

Which game developers. Shadow Mod?

HaloGAF had some 343 regulars.

I see. They can post in the game threads.

I dunno if you recall but gaming side is a total shitfest.

[Rman]

Ah right. Especially for MS developers. 

[Purrp Skirrp]

I'm glad OT GAF ain't saturated with NSFL type news anymore, but chasing that Google ad money makes for a dull forum.

I don't really know how AdSense works, or to what extent Google actually cares about the content of your site.

That said, I like the idea of Evilore being a bitch ass hustler playing his site's moderation as nuanced righteousness, when it's just about the

[thisismyusername]

Lore has disliked communities because (1) they don't share information with the rest of the forum--i.e. don't generate new content, clicks, views, et cetera and (2) become increasingly lawless over time. First one is a business decision that I can't really weigh in on without stats, the latter is a moderating problem.

#2 (heh</12 year old>) wouldn't be a problem (heh heh) if moderators actually went to the Gaming/OT "community" board to police. You can count how many actually go into those threads on one hand.

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Two, if that. Gallion for HaloGAF, Blackace for Black/NBA and I think NFL-GAF before demodding.

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OHHHH there was Mumei for GLBT and POP-GAF. That's about it. You don't see Steve, Duckroll, Y2Kev, Kagari, et. al. going into those threads unless someone reports it. Hence the "lawlessness" of it. To be fair though, the mods that DO go into those threads are part of the community and thereby police them really lax (sup getting away with murder NBA-GAF/Blackace?). There needs to be an "impartial" moderator that is willing to check it at least for an hour or two to make sure shit isn't getting out of hand/people are getting pissy with newcomers.

Problem is, again: NO ONE goes into those to moderate. It's stupid.

[Rman]

They're really hard to follow, so I can imagine difficult to moderate.

The SuperBestFriend one was people using it as a chatroom all day.

[Steve Youngblood]

I don't really know how AdSense works, or to what extent Google actually cares about the content of your site.

None of us deal with it directly but from what I gather Google's content complaints are really bizarre. Like out of nowhere the site might get a request to remove content related to a thread from ten years ago that hasn't been bumped in ten years.

[thisismyusername]

They're really hard to follow, so I can imagine difficult to moderate.

The super fast ones like Steam? Maybe. The slower ones that get 2-5 posts (or maybe 25 max) during a day? Not really. I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with the moderators that get promoted and are part of the super fast communities if they weren't lax with their moderation duties in those threads like Blackace was with NBA-GAF regulars. NBA-GAF regulars were able to get away with some shit in non-NBA threads that would've had non-NBA people popped with a quickness.

But human moderation problems and all, people form bonds and can't put that aside and go "yo, no. Stop or I have to pop you."

[Steve Youngblood]

They're really hard to follow, so I can imagine difficult to moderate.

The super fast ones like Steam? Maybe. The slower ones that get 2-5 posts (or maybe 25 max) during a day? Not really.

The only thing I'll note here is that it's an unpaid position. The only way those threads are going to get coverage is for people who are already active in those communities to become mods. And given that we're not looking to add hundreds of new mods at a time under the current system, it's pretty much impossible to get coverage for every thread.

[Purrp Skirrp]

I don't really know how AdSense works, or to what extent Google actually cares about the content of your site.

None of us deal with it directly but from what I gather Google's content complaints are really bizarre. Like out of nowhere the site might get a request to remove content related to a thread from ten years ago that hasn't been bumped in ten years.

Yeah, that's strange. I thought I remember drug talk being discouraged/locked outright because those posts don't play well with ad partners.

[thisismyusername]

They're really hard to follow, so I can imagine difficult to moderate.

The super fast ones like Steam? Maybe. The slower ones that get 2-5 posts (or maybe 25 max) during a day? Not really.

The only thing I'll note here is that it's an unpaid position. The only way those threads are going to get coverage is for people who are already active in those communities to become mods. And given that we're not looking to add hundreds of new mods at a time under the current system, it's pretty much impossible to get coverage for every thread.

Right, I edited and said another problem is that the moderators that DO get moderated in that community don't turn impartial and hold their moderator duties above their bonds. I get it's an unpaid position, but it's kinda funny that there's only like 2-3 moderators that were willing to wade into community threads/were already a part of community threads and "get" what they are going for when 'Lore doesn't even bother and then complains about them being "insular" it's like "dude, you put them in an area that barely anyone will go to... what the fuck do you expect if even the moderators won't check in from time to time?"

[benjipwns]

None of us deal with it directly but from what I gather Google's content complaints are really bizarre. Like out of nowhere the site might get a request to remove content related to a thread from ten years ago that hasn't been bumped in ten years.

From my experience as both a site admin and FORUM MODERATOR (no momo) on a handful of sites this was our relationship with Google as well.

[thisismyusername]

Really though, the biggest problem with this "no community" stomping is 'Lore hating the communities from talking about the game AND other things.

If 'Lore has a problem with HaloGAF, why not tell SteamGAF to knock off talking about games and recommendations while discussing the client/SteamDB postings and Steam support issues, etc.?

"Oh because they aren't the same th--"

Yes, they are. Don't kid yourself. HaloGAF will discuss the game while discussing off-topic shit just like Steam-GAF or any other discussion/community thread. The problem was that Halo-GAF's "Halo talk to off topic talk" was more 20-80 instead of 40-60 or even 50-50. But honestly, what is the big deal if the ratio of off-topic is more toward the non-game stuff if there isn't much game stuff to discuss at the time besides rounds played?

(Also while I'm ranting before bed: This is the exact thing [besides shitty moderation</sorry Steve>] that is really making me tired of GAF: If you try to form friendships and rapport with people of similar thought processes to discuss things, 'Lore doesn't want you there. He wants Hypetrain.gif [heh, before Y2Kev got annoyed with that and stomped that out] for whatever unreleased title for DEM CLICK MONEY instead of growing the board's community and having more click/page views.

Not that it really matters since most developers have abandoned or even shun GAF now. Why try to discuss something when half the board will jump on you and 'Lore will support that?)

[Shadow Mod]

The biggest problem with HaloGAF is they didn't want to talk about the game in the shitfest that is OT Gaming because it was full of people all too happy that Halo turned into every other generic fps all the while claiming their taste in games is impeccable.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

(Also while I'm ranting before bed: This is the exact thing [besides shitty moderation</sorry Steve>] that is really making me tired of GAF: If you try to form friendships and rapport with people of similar thought processes to discuss things, 'Lore doesn't want you there. He wants Hypetrain.gif [heh, before Y2Kev got annoyed with that and stomped that out] for whatever unreleased title for DEM CLICK MONEY instead of growing the board's community and having more click/page views.

We all hate Hypetrain.gif

[bluemax]

Lore has disliked communities because (1) they don't share information with the rest of the forum--i.e. don't generate new content, clicks, views, et cetera and (2) become increasingly lawless over time. First one is a business decision that I can't really weigh in on without stats, the latter is a moderating problem.

Ironically HaloGAF provided tons of content, links, and all kinds of stuff for OTs. 343 devs posted there and attracted tons of new posters. I think someone just plain doesn't like people socializing and forming bonds because it's some kind of "threat."

The main with no friends hate when people make friends on HIS forum? Hmm.

[thisismyusername]

(Also while I'm ranting before bed: This is the exact thing [besides shitty moderation</sorry Steve>] that is really making me tired of GAF: If you try to form friendships and rapport with people of similar thought processes to discuss things, 'Lore doesn't want you there. He wants Hypetrain.gif [heh, before Y2Kev got annoyed with that and stomped that out] for whatever unreleased title for DEM CLICK MONEY instead of growing the board's community and having more click/page views.

We all hate Hypetrain.gif

So did I after a bit. But that's what 'Lore wants: Mindless "OMG HYPE! " posters instead of actual discussion on features/etc. This has been a long going problem because 1) he wants to split megathreads (understandable given the board software hasn't been updated in ages/board software can't take that amount of posting from Demon's Souls) which 2) actually would discuss the thing in an "insular blanket" of people that were actually interested in the thing.

I can count on both hands how many times a piece of news if posted about a title that is in community on gaming-side that devolves into shitting on the game and/or "LOL IS IT FIXED/NERFED/etc" now instead of actual discussion on the game's expansion pack/patch/whatever. Whereas the community would discuss it in the megathread of old, generally.

The biggest problem with HaloGAF is they didn't want to talk about the game in the shitfest that is OT Gaming because it was full of people all too happy that Halo turned into every other generic fps all the while claiming their taste in games is impeccable.

 

Sounds more like a problem for the old guard than the newer posters. I can see where 'Lore gets the idea of community thread posters being "insular," instead of either 1) ignoring those "shitposters that are happy the game turned into a generic FPS" or 2) engaging them and going "I disagree."

"But we don't want to do that 24/7." I understand, you don't need to. That's where #1 comes in. Don't engage those people and just discuss the current event/whatever with the 2-3 posters you know and if the "shitposter" makes a good point or whatever INCLUDE them in your on-going discussion instead of bickering about whatever 24/7 with them. *shrug*

I don't know how to say it, because on one hand I can see 'Lore's problem while not 100% agreeing with it and on the other I can see your problem but only 20% or so agree with it.

Also the bold feeds into:

Not that it really matters since most developers have abandoned or even shun GAF now. Why try to discuss something when half the board will jump on you and 'Lore will support that?)

*Developer comes on and trys to explain why they went the way they did*
Majority of GAF: LOL IT'S DIFFERENT FROM BEFORE SO THEREFORE IT SUCKS *wails and gnashing of teeth*
(Not that HaloGAF/you don't have a point with Halo 4-5's change in FPS "tone" from 1-3, but there could be at least a bit of middle ground discussion instead of outright attacks like some people have done on F-ie and 343)

And I'm not saying those "attacks" aren't valid. There's a time for ribbing (not very harshly/burning scalding hot) but I think 343/et. al. know they fucked up (like with the MCC, that is EXTREMELY botched and 343 knows it) and don't need 20+ posts jumping on their logic or trying to clarify with "YEAH BUT IT SUCKS THO LOLZ"x100.

[Shadow Mod]

Sounds more like a problem for the old guard than the newer posters. I can see where 'Lore gets the idea of community thread posters being "insular," instead of either 1) ignoring those "shitposters that are happy the game turned into a generic FPS" or 2) engaging them and going "I disagree."

"But we don't want to do that 24/7." I understand, you don't need to. That's where #1 comes in. Don't engage those people and just discuss the current event/whatever with the 2-3 posters you know and if the "shitposter" makes a good point or whatever INCLUDE them in your on-going discussion instead of bickering about whatever 24/7 with them. *shrug*

I don't know how to say it, because on one hand I can see 'Lore's problem while not 100% agreeing with it and on the other I can see your problem but only 20% or so agree with it.

Nah they kept to the community thread and talked about other shit instead. Even constructive critiques on gaming side, of anything really, are just met with the stupidest of responses. Best to just keep to a community and whine like a bunch of people downing whiskey at a table. I'm sure arguments happened in the community thread but who cares? You agree to disagree and move on to the next bit of drama around the subject. Unless it becomes people harassing other people it's not a big deal that shit talking about opinions regarding crap as inconsequential as which Halo is the best or whether a ref made the right call, happens. And when you find out about harassment just ban the people involved and issue a warning. I don't get why there just isn't more warnings about very specific problems. Just bans and closures, and for nothing more than what appears* to be people being too familiar?

*if it's something more than just fucking say so instead of snark

[benjipwns]

*Long post on the state of NeoGAF today*

This is pretty insane conspiracy thinking, even for you.

[thisismyusername]

Sounds more like a problem for the old guard than the newer posters. I can see where 'Lore gets the idea of community thread posters being "insular," instead of either 1) ignoring those "shitposters that are happy the game turned into a generic FPS" or 2) engaging them and going "I disagree."

"But we don't want to do that 24/7." I understand, you don't need to. That's where #1 comes in. Don't engage those people and just discuss the current event/whatever with the 2-3 posters you know and if the "shitposter" makes a good point or whatever INCLUDE them in your on-going discussion instead of bickering about whatever 24/7 with them. *shrug*

I don't know how to say it, because on one hand I can see 'Lore's problem while not 100% agreeing with it and on the other I can see your problem but only 20% or so agree with it.

Nah they kept to the community thread and talked about other shit instead. Even constructive critiques on gaming side, of anything really, are just met with the stupidest of responses. Best to just keep to a community and whine like a bunch of people downing whiskey at a table. I'm sure arguments happened in the community thread but who cares? You agree to disagree and move on to the next bit of drama around the subject. Unless it becomes people harassing other people it's not a big deal that shit talking about opinions regarding crap as inconsequential as which Halo is the best or whether a ref made the right call, happens. And when you find out about harassment just ban the people involved and issue a warning. I don't get why there just isn't more warnings about very specific problems. Just bans and closures, and for nothing more than what appears* to be people being too familiar?

*if it's something more than just fucking say so instead of snark

*nod nod* I agree with that. Like I said, not enough of the moderation team wiling to wade into the community threads and see these things on-going. Like steve said: They aren't paid to do that, and I understand. But most of the mod team is like 80% of GAF: As soon as thread jumps from Gaming/Off-Topic to the Gaming/Off-Topic Community section, they don't even bother to follow the thread. That's when the lawlessness and "hostility" starts to happen because they aren't kept in check.

Though the lack of a moderator or someone going into a community thread to explain some moderation decisions at times kinda feeds into that hostility on the "bad" communities like sportsGAF. They go "WTF, why was <user> banned!?" And because the moderators don't discuss the moderation policy they think the moderators are out "to get them" instead of seeing it's nothing personal and "T.O.S. section #20920680538960989034586 says... and that's why we banned them."

(To be fair though: Stating the TOS violations would take too long: Again, Steve with "not paid to do that")

I think the board is wayyyy too big for the size of "community"/board posters GAF currently has with the amount of moderators that GAF/'Lore "employs." There really should be at least 2-10 more moderators and ones that actually wade into the community side.

*Long post on the state of NeoGAF today*

Shut it. That's what this thread is for.

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I really need to get to bed since my thoughts on this aren't 100% clear and probably half of it is lost in translation, but the mega-thread split and the community stomping has been a stick in my craw with GAF for a few years now. I'm close to saying "fuck it" and pulling a Segata on it.

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[doctavius bonbon]

*preemptive postemptive "meanwhile, men's fashion gaf lives on" post*

[Sausage]

I don't think the NFL thread has had a football related post in over a month

[Shadow Mod]

*preemptive postemptive "meanwhile, men's fashion gaf lives on" post*

Please only discuss cravats and not the color of each other's eyes.

[thisismyusername]

*preemptive postemptive "meanwhile, men's fashion gaf lives on" post*

Please only discuss cravats and not the color of each other's eyes.

Fuck that. Let's discuss codpieces.

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Codpieces.

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[fistfulofmetal]

something's fucked up on gaf all a sudden. all the O's are being replaced with asterisks on the thread titles.

[benjipwns]

it's not just thread titles, piecake's just posted reply to me in a thread lol:

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*greed. *h*nks f*r expl*ining *h** m*re fully

It's like the weird Ralph bug a few months back.

[benjipwns]

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*h... i dunn*... Imp*r*i*li*y? H*nes* rep*r*ing?
In c*se y*u missed, s*me ex*mples f*r y*u *nd **hers...

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I'm *n ign*r*n* *meric*n *nd w*s h*ping s*me*ne c*uld help c*rrec* my unders**nding.

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[Tasty]

Fuck y*u, *ssh*le.

[Kara]

I see **V** has paid EviLore off handsomely.

[Tasty]

I see **V** has paid EviLore off handsomely.

[suppadoopa]

(Image removed from quote.)

we can all that vaporeon was its best evo right.

tore up the E4 in Yellow/FireRed with that thing

[Tasty]

Jolteon

Flareon

Vaporeon 

Umbreon 

Espeon

Leafeon

Glaceon

Sylveon

[Himu]

SYLVEON IS SO CUTE

[Stoney Mason]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077259

I'm not even a big metal gear series fanboy but 

[Purrp Skirrp]

9th evo and best one: Nine Tails.


Magmar GOAT BTW.

[Mr Gilhaney]

I can't fucking play the old MGS games anymore, the controls are horrible.

[mormapope]

The controls are iffy, but learning a game and its controls is a missing element nowadays. Most games feel the same and lack identity when it comes to controller layout.

MGS1's design is fantastic. The game is meant to be speedrunned by everybody. Look in first person to remember the simple guard routes, run past. Sneaking amounts to 25% of the game, the other 75% are awesome boss battles that require memorization and skill.

When it comes to story, its pulpy and melodramatic and the themes of the game are neat. Nuclear disarmament and identifying yourself by your own decisions rather than lamenting your own biological makeup? Shit is incredibly dope when it comes to videogame stories.

EDIT: The people in that thread acting like they got cornholed by the devil because this one dude doesn't like MGS1 is just as bad if not worse than a crass opening post. A game's quality should never be taken for granted.

[benjipwns]

terrisus got banned for something or other

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077259

I'm not even a big metal gear series fanboy but 

If you're shooting enemies in MGS1 24/7, you're doing something very very wrong in your playthrough. You can completely outside of boss fights play it 0 alerts. OP needs to be told to "git gud."

[toku]

People play stealth games and don't reset when alerted?

[parallax]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077259

I'm not even a big metal gear series fanboy but 

i think hes trolling. he made the same thread on 4chan

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077259

I'm not even a big metal gear series fanboy but 

i think hes trolling. he made the same thread on 4chan

Someone on 4chan just pasta'd it. 

[Mr Gilhaney]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077317

A weird contrast to the splatoon and shenmue threads.

[Tasty]

terrisus got banned for something or other

>.>

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1077317

A weird contrast to the splatoon and shenmue threads.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171381463&postcount=11

At least 30% !

[studyguy]

terrisus got banned for something or other

Maybe he'll finally decide to fuck his wife during his break.

[Stoney Mason]

The controls are iffy, but learning a game and its controls is a missing element nowadays. Most games feel the same and lack identity when it comes to controller layout.

MGS1's design is fantastic. The game is meant to be speedrunned by everybody. Look in first person to remember the simple guard routes, run past. Sneaking amounts to 25% of the game, the other 75% are awesome boss battles that require memorization and skill.

When it comes to story, its pulpy and melodramatic and the themes of the game are neat. Nuclear disarmament and identifying yourself by your own decisions rather than lamenting your own biological makeup? Shit is incredibly dope when it comes to videogame stories.

EDIT: The people in that thread acting like they got cornholed by the devil because this one dude doesn't like MGS1 is just as bad if not worse than a crass opening post. A game's quality should never be taken for granted.

I don't know. He does everything I hate. He is judging an old ass game relative to modern games which is always a big pet peeve of mine. And then he's quite rude about it and wrong in some cases. He later compares it to his recent gameplay in Dishonored and Splinter Cell Blacklist. Two games I like. But the comparison is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, people are going to over-react to it, but his thread is the worst kind of bait thread so its to be expected. If he approached it from a rational perspective, there would be still be haters but it wouldn't be that bad.

It reminds me of people who watch Citizen Kane and want to tell you its shit without understanding the context of history.

I don't even like the second game but that's to due to story stuff and the bait and hero switch but even I recognize it was a good game relative for its time. I just hated the story.

[thisismyusername]

terrisus got banned for something or other

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171370943&postcount=600

Two weeks. >_>

[nachobro]

Dude seriously goes into the gay thread to bitch and moan about how no one likes him? Begging for sympathy on a forum, jesus christ what a loser

[Tasty]

"Prove to me you guys want me here and I might be gracious enough to stick around. "

[studyguy]

Care about the opinions of people you'll never meet in real life brehs.

[Jansen]

I'm sorry, I don't want people to think that I don't know that people here like me...
I just like to hear it sometimes...

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171383884&postcount=41

The year is 2015.

Young Billy reaches his arm, adorned with Pip-Boy, into his Juggernaut fridge and grabs some Mountain Dew Game Fuel.

"Oh man; double XP!" he remarks, placing the can on his Quick Revive coaster, and begins fiddling with his Halo 5: Guardians statue while his digital copy downloads at a snail's pace in front of him.

In his excitement, he accidentally knocks over the statue and it tumbles out of reach. "No problem!" He says, grabbing his Robot Snake arm and reaching out to grab it.

The year is 2015.

[Kara]

terrisus got banned for something or other

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171370943&postcount=600

Two weeks. >_>

wp on the >_>

[Stoney Mason]

MGS1 is still a great game and Citizen Kane is still most definitely a fantastic movie today. It's less that they're archaic now(they hold up well aside from graphics in MGS1 which still has a cool style IMO).

When people complain about classics compared to today in anything it's almost always because someone prefers the style of how things are done today opposed to older work being somehow inferior to newer work. Something's haven't aged well but that's mostly due to focusing on presentation(cgi, graphics, sound effects, etc.) when what matters like gameplay in videogames or structure in music is not affected. You can not like a classic, but it's not suddenly bad cause you don't like it.

It's not that you have to love a "classic". There are classic things movies, books, games, that I don't love. I understand their importantance but they don't necessarily speak to me or draw or keep my interest. But its more about the way you discuss those things. MGS 1 is a revolutionary game for a lot of reasons. But the way he is discussing it is stupid. And of course its going to draw a massive thread because of the MSG Fanboys.

But I don't understand the difference between why that bait thread isn't locked and other bait threads remain open.

You could literally do that thread for any game. Hey bros, Baldur's Gate/Resident Evil/Thief/Deus Ex sucks because its dated and not a perfect game.

[benjipwns]

Care about the opinions of people you'll never meet in real life brehs.

plz like this post

[Stoney Mason]

My post wasn't a rebuttal of yours. Just further thought on the subject. I generally make a note of that but I didn't in this case.

[Kara]

I remember being an MGS truther on the playground when I read an early preview of it in Gamepro. When it finally came out everyone was all "omg dude u were right this game is teh futureZzz."