Author Topic: 1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt (Read 5942382 times)

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #38940 on:** July 30, 2015, 10:38:20 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Mod on July 30, 2015, 10:30:48 PM

How is it people praise Oblivion for everything but the best part of it? The Dark Brotherhood Quest line.

The Dark Brotherhood questline was so great, the ES series at the absolute top of its game. I still remember sneaking around and making people become super-suspicious of each other in the "Whodunit?" mission.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38941 on:** July 30, 2015, 10:40:38 PM »

Or making it look like someone died on "accident" by loosening some screws above where they sat.

So diabolical. I wanted a game full of that shit not some stupid destiny crap where I gotta keep fighting darth mauls over and over and over.

Himu · « **Reply #38942 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 PM »

Skyrim is one of those games where it's fucking amazing at first. You get to hour 50, and it's still going strong and awesome. Then by hour 100 you realize how flat and dull the game really is. A game that promises you can do anything is actually about nothing. None of the quests have any weight. Become the leader of theifs guild? Phht, shmuck, someone steal your sweet roll? Take down a billion dragons? Let me tell you about the time I took an arrow to the knee. Then you realize that many games like it, such as Fallout 3, that offer the ability to do everything actually offer nothing.

Then you uninstall the game from Steam, and play New Vegas or - my favorite - hooking up a Dreamcast and playing Shenmue instead.

Ok game though. But gives little reason to buy Fallout 4.

StealthFan · « **Reply #38943 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:10:58 PM »

If Fallout 4 was like New Vegas

bluemax · « **Reply #38944 on:** July 30, 2015, 11:43:10 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 30, 2015, 09:41:45 PM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=173505366

Note:

haly has ops in #gaf irc, a place where many discussions on gaf are put on the table. Haly could very well be Evi's next mod pick, and sooner, rather than later due to Icarus leaving, but haly thinks that banning hate speech is an afront on freedom of speech. I also remind you the tone that Gaf and others describe itself to be an open community while one of its potential future mods is coming with rhetoric that banning hate speech is banning freedom of speech.

Going to be mighty interesting on how things play out if my assumption is correct, and Haly is modded.

What happens when someone uses slurs and hate speech banned in gaf chat? Or no, because "freedom of speech?" Are things different now, in this new gaf irc regime where we don't have Hito to help moderate shit and someone who has these views has Ops? Given the Haly's posts in that thread, he's giving a pretty good expose on #gaf's tone in general.

But let's not talk about that.

#ga isn't really #gaf irc anymore since Hito died and Kabouter got ownership over Lore.

Also, this is weird to see out of Haly given the things I know about him.

Kara · « **Reply #38945 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:12:54 AM »

I love going to the OT and a supermajority of threads on page 1 are official threads, joined by maybe 2-3 LttP threads, and a current events #struggle thread.

That community ghetto sure is making sure GAF has certified fresh content.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #38946 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:30:56 AM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 PM

Skyrim is one of those games where it's fucking amazing at first. You get to hour 50, and it's still going strong and awesome. Then by hour 100 you realize how flat and dull the game really is. A game that promises you can do anything is actually about nothing. None of the quests have any weight. Become the leader of theifs guild? Phht, shmuck, someone steal your sweet roll? Take down a billion dragons? Let me tell you about the time I took an arrow to the knee. Then you realize that many games like it, such as Fallout 3, that offer the ability to do everything actually offer nothing.

Then you uninstall the game from Steam, and play New Vegas or - my favorite - hooking up a Dreamcast and playing Shenmue instead.

Ok game though. But gives little reason to buy Fallout 4.

Any game that you're still really into at hour 50 is a game worth playing.

BrokenVerses · « **Reply #38947 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:38:17 AM »

Quote from: The Walrus on July 30, 2015, 11:26:16 PM

3 is so much better than New Vegas.

This reminds me; it is going to be a long road to Fallout 4 on GAF.

Is it really necessary for the same people to storm every Fallout thread and complain about how Fallout 3 is a war crime, Bethesda is shit, and Obsidian is so much better. Fuck, we get it already.

At least Derrick is banned.

StealthFan · « **Reply #38948 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:40:36 AM »

NV> 3 by a country mile. It really is a damn shame that Obsidian isn't involved with 4.

That Meek Mill thread on the coli is doing ridiculous numbers.

Kara · « **Reply #38949 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:42:38 AM »

Obsidian fanpersons really know how to ruin a discussion. Try talking about KOTOR (the one that was an actual finished game) without them trying to tell you what good writing is. (No one lauds Kafka for Amerika.)

Thank goodness no one gives a shit about Neverwinter Nights 1 or Dungeon Siege 1 and 2.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #38950 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:44:52 AM »

Obsidian should just keep doing their own thing rather than getting roped into working on somebody else's game again, since the former resulted in the best game in their entire history.

StealthFan · « **Reply #38951 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:47:42 AM »

Still need to pirate Pillars of Eternity.

bluemax · « **Reply #38952 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:52:13 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2015, 12:44:52 AM

Obsidian should just keep doing their own thing rather than getting roped into working on somebody else's game again, since the former resulted in the best game in their entire history.

Yeah well, they got bills to pay man.

Kara · « **Reply #38953 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:02:21 AM »

Sounds like people don't actually like Obsidian games that much. :trollbron:

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #38954 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:19:51 AM »

El Babua · « **Reply #38955 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:46:20 AM »

Bethesda's current (last 9 years whatever) game design doesn't really gel with me much anymore. If anything, I'll probably pick F4 once it hits $20.

Jansen · « **Reply #38956 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:57:40 AM »

They will always be Obshitian to me

nudemacusers · « **Reply #38957 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:14:09 AM »

suit thread on gaf

they mad

Kara · « **Reply #38958 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:51:48 AM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2015, 01:19:51 AM

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thisismyusername · « **Reply #38959 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:17:18 AM »

Quote from: Vularai on July 31, 2015, 12:42:38 AM

Obsidian fanpersons really know how to ruin a discussion. Try talking about KOTOR (the one that was an actual finished game) without them trying to tell you what good writing is. (No one lauds Kafka for Amerika.)

Thank goodness no one gives a shit about Neverwinter Nights 1 or Dungeon Siege 1 and 2.

Agreed. KotOR2:

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2015, 12:44:52 AM

Obsidian should just keep doing their own thing rather than getting roped into working on somebody else's game again, since the former resulted in the best game in their entire history.

Their knock-off Mass Effect clone was more fun than Mass Effect. Instead of doing "takes" on established series like KotOR, they should just make a new IP "clone" of something like that. Maybe their own IP that's not in Star Wars would've made KotOR2 good given time. But eh... I dunno. I still need to play New Vegas but Obsidian is 1/2 with me so far.

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on July 31, 2015, 01:46:20 AM

Bethesda's current (last 9 years whatever) game design doesn't really gel with me much anymore. If anything, I'll probably pick F4 once it hits $20.

I haven't even touched Skyrim despite buying it on Steam sales because I know it's probably going to be the same shitty main quest design just with a few dumbed down systems from Morrowind->Oblivion->It.

Maybe if there's a mod that speeds the game/players speed up by like 100% or so to where the main quest and dungeons weren't a drag to get through due to having to manage weight/etc. from shit you possibly pick up thinking it's useful/making money...

nudemacusers · « **Reply #38960 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:29:16 AM »

the skyrim mods out there are pretty cool. the UI overhaul one alone makes it a significantly better game. the quest system isn't much better but the world itself is much more engaging.

similarly I think fallout 4 will be cool but i am in no rush at all to buy.

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #38961 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:38:46 AM »

Don't care much for Obsidian but loved South Park. Not so much because of the combat, but loved everything else. Bethesda.... Eh, I have not enjoyed one for a long time. Don't like their game design and all the jank, the mods help sure, but usually I spent 80% of my time tweaking the game and installing mods, then 20% of my time realizing I don't actually like the game and stop again.

I will get skyrim, fallout and all that whenever they hit around 5 to 10 euros on steam, mostly just to install fucked up mods and make ugly characters, but I wait happily until then.

fistfulofmetal · « **Reply #38962 on:** July 31, 2015, 04:09:04 AM »

dennis really made a lot of people mad with that harley quinn/frozen thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087233

Mr Gilhaney · « **Reply #38963 on:** July 31, 2015, 04:16:51 AM »

Why do people hate Frozen so much, thought it was a decent pretty inoffensive animated movie.

Take My Breh Away · « **Reply #38964 on:** July 31, 2015, 04:35:44 AM »

Obsidian fanpeople and their detractors don't even mention Alpha Protocol these days

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #38965 on:** July 31, 2015, 07:31:55 AM »

Obsidian fans remind me of Rush fans.

That being said, I've liked their recent output with Wasteland, Pillars of Eternity, and South Park.

Himu · « **Reply #38966 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:22:53 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2015, 12:30:56 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 30, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
Skyrim is one of those games where it's fucking amazing at first. You get to hour 50, and it's still going strong and awesome. Then by hour 100 you realize how flat and dull the game really is. A game that promises you can do anything is actually about nothing. None of the quests have any weight. Become the leader of theifs guild? Phht, shmuck, someone steal your sweet roll? Take down a billion dragons? Let me tell you about the time I took an arrow to the knee. Then you realize that many games like it, such as Fallout 3, that offer the ability to do everything actually offer nothing.

Then you uninstall the game from Steam, and play New Vegas or - my favorite - hooking up a Dreamcast and playing Shenmue instead.

Ok game though. But gives little reason to buy Fallout 4.

Any game that you're still really into at hour 50 is a game worth playing.

I didn't exactly say Skyrim isn't worth playing, but it's a game that gets worse the more you play.

Kara · « **Reply #38967 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:59:54 AM »

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on July 31, 2015, 04:35:44 AM

Obsidian fanpeople and their detractors don't even mention Alpha Protocol these days

We also didn't talk about how they make F2P games for the CIS market now.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #38968 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:02:44 AM »

New Vegas felt like you had a world you could actually affect. Fallout 3 felt like an Assassin's Creed game where it looks really interesting but you're basically just turning pages in the story, and Oblivion/Skyrim make you the champion of the world who nearly singlehandedly fights wars against kings, dragons, and demons but you still don't change much that happens. Even the way you explore the world and figure out the story doesn't feel that interesting.

Still good games you can lose 60 hours in easily but I didn't feel satisfied in the end. Actually I thought the BioShock games and Deus Ex: Human Revolution did a much better job of making you feel invested in what was going on and they had pretty linear worlds and in the whole story, you're at most referred to as a random dude that important people want to use as a pawn. Being a knight and jumping all around the board is overrated. Make me a submissive little pawn who has to be lucky enough and smart enough to tip toe his way to being a queen.

octopushover · « **Reply #38969 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:20:00 AM »

i am playing through arkham origins right now and why the hell is christmas eve so fucking long

Himu · « **Reply #38970 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:27:08 AM »

Quote from: am nintenho on July 31, 2015, 10:02:44 AM

New Vegas felt like you had a world you could actually affect. Fallout 3 felt like an Assassin's Creed game where it looks really interesting but you're basically just turning pages in the story, and Oblivion/Skyrim make you the champion of the world who nearly singlehandedly fights wars against kings, dragons, and demons but you still don't change much that happens. Even the way you explore the world and figure out the story doesn't feel that interesting.

Still good games you can lose 60 hours in easily but I didn't feel satisfied in the end. Actually I thought the BioShock games and Deus Ex: Human Revolution did a much better job of making you feel invested in what was going on and they had pretty linear worlds and in the whole story, you're at most referred to as a random dude that important people want to use as a pawn. Being a knight and jumping all around the board is overrated. Make me a submissive little pawn who has to be lucky enough and smart enough to tip toe his way to being a queen.

I truly feel we are at a crossroads where these games are large for the sake of being large, and you can do "everything" for the sake of doing "everything" despite the fact that you are railroaded into picking a side between Stormcloak and Empire and little, if any room in between. So while they say you can do anything, you really can't do shit. Meanwhile, in a game like New Vegas you can put on a NCR outfit, go on a Legion murder fest, and get the NCR blamed for it, or be a double agent to both sides and kill Caesar. You cannot kill Ulfiric. Ultimately, the games are pretty vapid in their role playing and ultimately forgettable. What's the point of offering everything if you can't actually affect anything? I agree with your Bioshock and DXHR assessment too.

Kara · « **Reply #38971 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:36:49 AM »

Quote from: am nintenho on July 31, 2015, 10:02:44 AM

New Vegas felt like you had a world you could actually affect. Fallout 3 felt like an Assassin's Creed game where it looks really interesting but you're basically just turning pages in the story, and Oblivion/Skyrim make you the champion of the world who nearly singlehandedly fights wars against kings, dragons, and demons but you still don't change much that happens. Even the way you explore the world and figure out the story doesn't feel that interesting.

It's a coherent theme in Fallout 3. The villains are the remnant of a remnant who won't embrace change. The heroes are people who broke with the staid dogma of the Brotherhood of Steel. Many of the societies you visit (Megaton, Rivet, Tenpenny) aren't anything more than returning to the shell of the old world. They aren't even something like pre-Nu Vegas' New California Republic. Powerlessness and stunted development are everywhere, that's why you aren't tasked with saving the world, only taking it off life support or providing a basic building block of society and letting things evolve from there.

Himu · « **Reply #38972 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:42:06 AM »

That seems to be a bad justification for limiting role playing.

studyguy · « **Reply #38973 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:45:36 AM »

Beth games are all about shoehorning linear as fuck stories into open world games. That's their problem, you have no choice, just a bunch of storylines where your endgoal is always to be the biggest baddest dude on the planet now without fail or consequence. The fact that you have to find the string that leads to the same endgame doesn't make it compelling to me.

Beth just sucks something awful at writing brehs.

Himu · « **Reply #38974 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:48:00 AM »

I bet fallout 4 will be a story about trying to find your family again. They're really alive, guys!

studyguy · « **Reply #38975 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:48:44 AM »

See those mountains in the distance, you can fuck em!
10 / 10 - We fucked mountains - IGN

Himu · « **Reply #38976 on:** July 31, 2015, 10:49:02 AM »

tiesto · « **Reply #38977 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:01:24 AM »

Only Obsidian game I've played is South Park, which was fucking hysterical, even though the combat was simplistic (not that many options) and the balance was out of whack. I do want to try Pillars of Eternity, New Vegas (since it seems a total love-or-hate game) and the new Planescape (is that Obsidian?) when it comes out.

studyguy · « **Reply #38978 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:03:46 AM »

I played the fuck out of Pillars, unless you're down with Bauldur's Gate I'm not sure how people will handle it.
It's an old ass CRPG game with a fresh coat of paint through and through. That's dope for me, I don't think it will be for everyone.

Himu · « **Reply #38979 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:07:22 AM »

I fuck with BG. Looking forward to it.

archie4208 · « **Reply #38980 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:15:10 AM »

First half of PoE:

Second half:

Tasty · « **Reply #38981 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:24:11 AM »

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on July 31, 2015, 04:09:04 AM

dennis really made a lot of people mad with that harley quinn/frozen thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087233

studyguy · « **Reply #38982 on:** July 31, 2015, 11:25:33 AM »

Main shit that fucked me up was the balance patching the first play through.
Not an issue now tho but it fucked everything up at the time.

archie4208 · « **Reply #38983 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:36:52 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087857

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173646684&postcount=8

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=992459

Kara · « **Reply #38984 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:39:17 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 31, 2015, 10:42:06 AM

That seems to be a bad justification for limiting role playing.

Doing what Chris Avellone tells you to do isn't role playing.

Crunch (in its particular formation here, I wouldn't try and suggest that wargaming was role playing, though stuff like Necromunda or Mordheim does challenge this distinction) is role playing, not fluff.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38985 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:51:16 PM »

Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on July 31, 2015, 04:16:51 AM

Why do people hate Frozen so much, thought it was a decent pretty inoffensive animated movie.

Bruh you been posting there a long time. They either hate tons of shit not aimed at their demographic or they creepily embrace it.

Himu · « **Reply #38986 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:55:04 PM »

Quote from: Vularai on July 31, 2015, 12:39:17 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 31, 2015, 10:42:06 AM
That seems to be a bad justification for limiting role playing.

Doing what Chris Avellone tells you to do isn't role playing.

Crunch (in its particular formation here, I wouldn't try and suggest that wargaming was role playing, though stuff like Necromunda or Mordheim does challenge this distinction) is role playing, not fluff.

You don't do what Avellone tells you to do in New Vegas.

king of the internet · « **Reply #38987 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:13:52 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 31, 2015, 11:24:11 AM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on July 31, 2015, 04:09:04 AM
dennis really made a lot of people mad with that harley quinn/frozen thread http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087233

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Why does this exist

suppadoopa · « **Reply #38988 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:15:54 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173620974&postcount=36
lol

qq more · « **Reply #38989 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:36:16 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087761

decapitated head emoticons

Quote from: suppadoopa on July 31, 2015, 01:15:54 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173620974&postcount=36
lol

I can't believe someone is really upset that someone called Sony muppets.

wait

yes I can believe it

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38990 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:45:40 PM »

Quote from: qq more on July 31, 2015, 01:36:16 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087761

decapitated head emoticons

Someone needs to post all the MJ variants so I can save them all in a batch once and for all.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38991 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:48:44 PM »

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173611422&postcount=23

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Poisoning them etc is clearly out of line.

At the same time keep your animal on your own property.

That's not how cats work breh.

I'm sure that thread will have more words of wisdom.

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Not that I care either way, but it's a thin line between pet and vermin. And they're cats after all; it's not like we're talking about dogs here.

qq more · « **Reply #38992 on:** July 31, 2015, 01:57:48 PM »

Quote from: Shadow Mod on July 31, 2015, 01:48:44 PM

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Not that I care either way, but it's a thin line between pet and vermin. And they're cats after all; it's not like we're talking about dogs here.

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I think the point is that you're a bad pet owner if you just let your pet run around other people's property. Dogs, mice, birds, turtles, fish... we don't tolerate any of these types of pet roaming unsupervised so why should fucking cats of all things get a pass?

Ah, yes. I remember that one time when someone's pet fish was running around in my backyard! Unforgivable!

(For real though, what a piece of shit)

studyguy · « **Reply #38993 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:06:35 PM »

Quote from: qq more on July 31, 2015, 01:36:16 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087761

decapitated head emoticons

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173632281&postcount=64

I reed good

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38994 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:08:41 PM »

Used to have two outdoor cats. One we managed to make an indoor cat, the other we really couldn't, he'd spray out of frustration. Cat was the neighborhood vole problem solver though. Much better than putting poison everywhere. Backyard looked like d-day sometimes but whatever, got the hose and washed it off. There's tons of cats here as well as other wildlife. A lot of the stuff I see attributed to cats is just as much raccoons. Least cats bury their shit, raccoons will basically make a latrine in your yard somewhere.

studyguy · « **Reply #38995 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:10:14 PM »

I always figured outdoor cats were like renters. If they ever feel like bouncing they'll just pick up their shit and go no sweat.

Shadow Mod · « **Reply #38996 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:32:45 PM »

The Cat v Dog thing is equivalent to console fanboys. Question is which is more like XBox and which is more like PS.

Nintendo is obviously goldfish.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #38997 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:34:10 PM »

Quote from: qq more on July 31, 2015, 01:36:16 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1087761

decapitated head emoticons

Some winners in there.

mormapope · « **Reply #38998 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:52:03 PM »

The main reason why people praise Obsidian so much is because the majority of western RPG studios suck ass. So when a western RPG has competent writing and dialog, along with gameplay/mechanical improvements if they're making a sequel for a franchise, means they'll get cred.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #38999 on:** July 31, 2015, 02:59:24 PM »

I judge them based on the game. I don't think a game is just writing. It has to be competent in other aspects as well since its still a game.

I think New Vegas is over-rated among forum circles. For all its touted complexities, I didn't find it to be a very fun game to play when it originally came out. And only with a shitload of mods do I found it to be a pleasant experience now.
I think Kotor 2 is decent so far but also over-rated among forum circles.
I didn't care for Alpha Protcol for lots of different reasons.

So for me I take them project by project. I like their recent output but before I would have called them very over-rated relative to the amount of forum discussion they generated. I think they are making better complete games now though that aren't just a function of somebody falling in love with the writing. I don't have a problem with them anymore and I think they are hitting their potential now instead of missing the mark alot. So that's good. They are on a roll.

I like Skyrim alot. I see how somebody could feel the opposite of course. But the writing personally is largely immaterial to why I think skyrim is very good. Some games are like that. The writing depends for me in some cases and in other cases it doesn't depending on the relative other merits of the game.

Writing as in printed text isn't the only way to world-build imo.

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Author Topic: 1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt (Read 5942382 times)