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[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=170148557&postcount=99

 

[Am_I_Anonymous]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=170148557&postcount=99

 

found his picture

[Shadow Mod]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175005240&postcount=201

Why does this post annoy me so much

How does that work?
My interests include football, videogames and the holocaust.

Maybe it's a reactionary title because "holocaust denier" is a thing.

[Kara]

Mods please change my name to "avid Holocaust rememberer." Thanks in advance.

Correct me if my American education betrays me but didn't Comrade Stalin make the Holocaust look small in scale as compared to his own ethnic cleansing sir?

Look I support korenization as much as the next comrade, but calling the Russification policies of the Soviet Union under Comrade Stalin "ethnic cleansing" is a bit much.

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The highest death tolls of the Holodomor are a couple million less than the Holocaust, but I think once we get into killing millions of people the number of millions becomes a rather tasteless thing to quibble about.

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[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1094253

I haven't been on a campus in quite some time. Last time there was anything close to a warning it was because we were about to watch a film depicting what happened to slaves, this was complete with a very disturbing scene involving master on slave rape. Some of the shit posted is citing tumblr, foh, tumblr isn't real life.

What happened to plain old warnings anyway ? 
Also  at the Technomancer considering a five twitter long comment is a "rebuttal".

[Shadow Mod]

Well trigger warnings when I encountered them initially were used in feminist spaces when someone was about to talk about their rape or rape in general and put up a broad warning so that other people who didn't really want to go there could either not read/participate or brace themselves. I also encountered a bit of it in spaces for veterans suffering from PTSD so that they could do the same. At some point, I assume the usage broadened and other people got pissy because "everything has a trigger warning now, everything is offensive." But the thing about trigger warnings is they don't impede anyone from engaging in a thing. There's a trigger warning in the Sopranos actually, before one of the eps,

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the episode in which Melfi is raped.

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One can still continue watching the episode, so there's no real issue here other than people over-reacting to others possibly making trigger warnings a bit too broad. Also tumblr gonna tumblr so I don't even know why it's relevant.

[octopushover]

Well trigger warnings when I encountered them initially were used in feminist spaces when someone was about to talk about their rape or rape in general and put up a broad warning so that other people who didn't really want to go there could either not read/participate or brace themselves. I also encountered a bit of it in spaces for veterans suffering from PTSD so that they could do the same. At some point, I assume the usage broadened and other people got pissy because "everything has a trigger warning now, everything is offensive." But the thing about trigger warnings is they don't impede anyone from engaging in a thing. There's a trigger warning in the Sopranos actually, before one of the eps,

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the episode in which Melfi is raped.

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One can still continue watching the episode, so there's no real issue here other than people over-reacting to others possibly making trigger warnings a bit too broad. Also tumblr gonna tumblr so I don't even know why it's relevant.

i would have liked for there to have been a trigger warning in downton abbey

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when anna gets raped

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because it triggered my girlfriend like crazy 

[Rman]

Although we tend to chide GAF for being super liberal.  Most have pushed against the Trigger Warning BS.

That thread is mostly people agreeing with the article.

[mormapope]

Triggered/trigger is one of the dumbest terms, in name alone and sometimes contextually. Its emotional grief. Not all emotional grief is equal when it comes to empathy, someone getting angry and crying because of a fat joke is very different than someone having a panic attack because they get flashbacks to a rape/suicide/murder. I pity people that get upset over things I view as trivial, while I have empathy for people that get upset over things I view as severe.
 

[studyguy]

Honestly most warnings outside the internet are innocuous enough for me to not get riled up about. During college the only offensive thing I can vividly recall was some anti-abortion crew coming to campus for a week to wave around banners of chopped up fetus. That was pretty fucked up, but it was demonstrators so I don't think it counts. The bit about people decrying teaching rape laws in a Law class is silly though, I can understand a professor being straight up and saying some shit discussed might be offensive but I mean if the subject is still taught then there's no net loss.

Beyond that on my day to day I don't see any kind of political correctness encroaching on shit that matters. Considering the issue when divorced from the greater discussion on the internet, I wouldn't even give it a second thought really, but logging online you'd think it was a massive conspiracy to police all thought.

[VomKriege]

In most of those, it's not so much a trigger warning than a warning though.  As you said yourself, the term seems to have originated from a specific background and using it as common parlance is in itself not innocent, as it fuels an habit to categorize with self diagnozed mental health terms what are really mundane problems. The warnings themselves may not be the problem but they are symptomatic of a bigger issue which according to the articles is having a real influence on public life within the institutions. You can see that on the internet a lot too and it seems to me a relatively new phenomenon. Internet is not real life 1:1, but it still counts for something.

[Shadow Mod]

but logging online you'd think it was a massive conspiracy to police all thought.

This so much.

Also it's really funny that a community that basically spoilers the fuck out of everything is bitching about trigger warnings.

[Kara]

When I can talk about video game stories without spoiler tags then (and only then) will I entertain the internet's attitudes towards trigger warnings.

[Himu]

"Socialism" existed before Marx and yes it is much overdue to redefine the word. Sanders is probably not a Marxist and I agree with you that as such the label socialist as it stands is incorrect (though I wouldn't believe the Republicans have a very firm grasp on what that word entails when they use it). He seems to be a somewhat radical social-dem as far as the US goes though, which is not that bad all things considered.

Anyhow, I was only objecting to the minimum wage point and how I perceived you mentioned it. As I said it's actually one of the simplest, most direct and factual measures that can be decided to improve the income of a large segment of the population. To my knowledge it never tanked any first world economy, and certainly never did to the levels that opponents of the measure screamed about.

Sanders ISN'T a Marxist. He's a social democrat. People know so little about the actual schematics of what constitutes the definition in America, that they lump Sanders with Marxism even though he isn't a proponent for it. Also, 15 dollars is actually slightly UNDER where minimum should be nationally. Our national minimum wage should ACTUALLY be 21 dollars: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html

http://inequality.org/minimum-wage/

[Himu]

Also, people who mock Trigger Warning make me roll my eyes for the most part. Sure, a lot of people do it for innoucous and completely random things, but as Devo said, how it was used in a lot of places originally was for warning people against tales of domestic violence, rape, and completely legitimate situations. Eventually, the internet hugbox took it, ran with it, and now treat it as some mockingly different Spoiler Warning.

[Great Rumbler]

When I can talk about video game stories without spoiler tags then (and only then) will I entertain the internet's attitudes towards trigger warnings.

People actually got mad at a recent Jim Sterling video that "spoiled" the scene from FF7 where Aeris

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tells Cloud she is pregnant with his child.

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[Shadow Mod]

When I can talk about video game stories without spoiler tags then (and only then) will I entertain the internet's attitudes towards trigger warnings.

People actually got mad at a recent Jim Sterling video that "spoiled" the scene where Aeris

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gets killed.

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I still can't wrap my head around spoilers for e3 or announcements of projects.

[Himu]

When I can talk about video game stories without spoiler tags then (and only then) will I entertain the internet's attitudes towards trigger warnings.

People actually got mad at a recent Jim Sterling video that "spoiled" the scene where Aeris

spoiler (click to show/hide)

gets killed.

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I still can't wrap my head around spoilers for e3 or announcements of projects.

Well, I mean, a large part of E3 are the surprises. Sure, knowing helps. But sometimes it's something that will hit you right in the feels, as you clasp your hands like you're praying, gently against your lips, weeping joyfully. In those cases, spoilers would ruin it!

[VomKriege]

When I can talk about video game stories without spoiler tags then (and only then) will I entertain the internet's attitudes towards trigger warnings.

People actually got mad at a recent Jim Sterling video that "spoiled" the scene where Aeris

spoiler (click to show/hide)

gets killed.

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I still can't wrap my head around spoilers for e3 or announcements of projects.

The whole hype process is more important than the actual content.

[Shadow Mod]

Well, I mean, a large part of E3 are the surprises. Sure, knowing helps. But sometimes it's something that will hit you right in the feels, as you clasp your hands like you're praying, gently against your lips, weeping joyfully. In those cases, spoilers would ruin it!

Still don't get the spoiler part though? Like if I want to watch some event or something and really care about not knowing the results beforehand I just do a self-imposed media/internet blackout, I don't expect people to not talk about it or hide their conversation about what went down or who won. But especially for something that's just announcements of stuff coming out? I just won't ever get it.

[Kara]

Sanders ISN'T a Marxist. He's a social democrat. People know so little about the actual schematics of what constitutes the definition in America, that they lump Sanders with Marxism even though he isn't a proponent for it.

Karl Kautsky annihilated.

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When I play Tropico I name myself Carlos Kautsky.

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[Himu]

Well, what's wrong with nice surprises? That shit is fucking rare and should be cherished. When FF7 remake news came out, I was really disappointed by all the confirmations by legit news sources. Like, couldn't you wait till later in the night? Naw, but you guys gotta get clicks, huh? Learning there's an FF7 remake at E3, rather than being constantly told IT'S REAL all day would have been crazy amount of emotion. I don't see the issue with it, there's enough negativity and cynicism in gaming spaces these days. What's wrong with wanting to be surprised and happy by an announcement that came out of fucking nowhere?

[studyguy]

I always watch E3 shit after the fact since I'm at work all day.
Spoilers on announcements don't matter a damn thing to me.

[Shadow Mod]

Well, what's wrong with nice surprises? That shit is fucking rare and should be cherished. When FF7 remake news came out, I was really disappointed by all the confirmations by legit news sources. Like, couldn't you wait till later in the night? Naw, but you guys gotta get clicks, huh? Learning there's an FF7 remake at E3, rather than being constantly told IT'S REAL all day would have been crazy amount of emotion. I don't see the issue with it, there's enough negativity and cynicism in gaming spaces these days. What's wrong with wanting to be surprised and happy by an announcement that came out of fucking nowhere?

You're asking outlets to spoiler news?

Dude.

[Phoenix Dark]

Well, what's wrong with nice surprises? That shit is fucking rare and should be cherished. When FF7 remake news came out, I was really disappointed by all the confirmations by legit news sources. Like, couldn't you wait till later in the night? Naw, but you guys gotta get clicks, huh? Learning there's an FF7 remake at E3, rather than being constantly told IT'S REAL all day would have been crazy amount of emotion. I don't see the issue with it, there's enough negativity and cynicism in gaming spaces these days. What's wrong with wanting to be surprised and happy by an announcement that came out of fucking nowhere?

You're asking outlets to spoiler news?

Dude.

I told you white feminists aren't allies, Himu.

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1094343

vs The thread

Spoilers: No one wins. You lose for just reading it.

[Joe Molotov]

Spoiler tags ruin games for me, because now I know something happens.

[Himu]

Well, what's wrong with nice surprises? That shit is fucking rare and should be cherished. When FF7 remake news came out, I was really disappointed by all the confirmations by legit news sources. Like, couldn't you wait till later in the night? Naw, but you guys gotta get clicks, huh? Learning there's an FF7 remake at E3, rather than being constantly told IT'S REAL all day would have been crazy amount of emotion. I don't see the issue with it, there's enough negativity and cynicism in gaming spaces these days. What's wrong with wanting to be surprised and happy by an announcement that came out of fucking nowhere?

You're asking outlets to spoiler news?

Dude.

Nope, they're just doing their jobs. But the original leaker? LOL. Was he fired for that? How much trouble did he get into? Was it even worth it?

[Tasty]

Well, what's wrong with nice surprises? That shit is fucking rare and should be cherished. When FF7 remake news came out, I was really disappointed by all the confirmations by legit news sources. Like, couldn't you wait till later in the night? Naw, but you guys gotta get clicks, huh? Learning there's an FF7 remake at E3, rather than being constantly told IT'S REAL all day would have been crazy amount of emotion. I don't see the issue with it, there's enough negativity and cynicism in gaming spaces these days. What's wrong with wanting to be surprised and happy by an announcement that came out of fucking nowhere?

You're asking outlets to spoiler news?

Dude.

I told you white feminists aren't allies, Himu.

She called her "dude" as well, transphobic scum.

[Himu]

I've got less of a problem with people running with news and more issue with leakers who can't keep their mouths shut on a public platform. If you know of something, and you're under NDA, why leak it? It'll piss off the the company, it'll piss off your job. Doesn't really seem necessary. Parsing it as a rumor? Sure, go ahead. But the dude who leaks that info the day of E3 on his website to get clicks?

[nudemacusers]

When people complained about the winner of the dota championship being spoiled in a headline that's when I knew we hit the end.

[Tasty]

I've got less of a problem with people running with news and more issue with leakers who can't keep their mouths shut on a public platform. If you know of something, and you're under NDA, why leak it? It'll piss off the the company, it'll piss off your job. Doesn't really seem necessary. Parsing it as a rumor? Sure, go ahead. But the dude who leaks that info the day of E3 on his website to get clicks?

I'll take a handful of legit HYPE leaks like that over the vague hint bullshit Kagari peddles as "insider knowledge"

[Himu]

Sure. I agree with that too.

[mormapope]

I'll take a handful of legit HYPE leaks like that over the vague hint bullshit Kagari peddles as "insider knowledge"

"You won't believe this, Chrono Trigger is getting a complete remake. Someone at the company told me they're making new assets."

*Revealed to be a Square Enix Universe Card game

"lol Square Enix, that place is a wreck."

[Himu]

Thing about Kags is that she does have insider knowledge. I just think she blows her load too early on the info before letting the info pan out so people know wtf is going on. Often leaks are passed down from person to person to person, and you know don't always have complete concrete information because it's a game of he said she said.

[Rahxephon91]

No she dosen't.

[Himu]

Um, okay. You're wrong. Many GAF mods talk to insiders just coming with the job of being a moderator on the largest gaming forum on the internet. Kags, has that, combined with owning one of the more larger Final Fantasy news sites. I have worked with Kagari on a site. She's got contacts. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Again.

[mormapope]

She hypes Square Enix up one minute and then completely dumps on them the next though. And the info she has is so little that people could guess what Square Enix could do in the future and be in the same ballpark.

Having info and being wrong? Fine. Having info and using it to garner attention and then pout and badmouth the company you were wrong about? 

[Tasty]

Dunno if letting Square English PR dunces take the occasional mustache ride for little tidbits counts as "insider knowledge."

[Himu]

Definitely doesn't handle it in an...amicable manner.

Dunno if letting Square English PR dunces take the occasional mustache ride for little tidbits counts as "insider knowledge."

She doesn't have insider knowledge, per se afaik, but she does have SE contacts. You can dispute that all you want, and you'd still be wrong. How Kagari conducts herself after that fact doesn't change shit.

[Rahxephon91]

She has literately never revealed anything but vague details and guesses that anyone combing over details in a GameFAQs "What do we know about random FF game" thread could tell you. She has never said anything substantial that has amounted to anything. For an insider she sure seems to know nothing about whats happening on the inside and instead just bets on the general consensus.

[studyguy]

I've got some insider news for SE stans. This just in,

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You're gonna be disappointed

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[Rahxephon91]

I've got some insider news for SE stans. This just in,

spoiler (click to show/hide)

You're gonna be disappointed

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There you go, you're a modern day Kagari!

[Himu]

She has literately never revealed anything but vague details and guesses that anyone combing over details in a GameFAQs "What do we know about random FF game" thread could tell you. She has never said anything substantial that has amounted to anything. For an insider she sure seems to know nothing about whats happening on the inside and instead just bets on the general consensus.

OK. That doesn't change anything I said though. It in fact, reinforces it.

[Rahxephon91]

So what good is her supposed insider knowledge if it never amounts to anything?

I would hope she has SE contacts. She runs a website. Anyone with a game review thingy can have contacts. That dosen't mean she knows shit about whats going on in the company because she happens to know the Square Enix America PR person.

[Shadow Mod]

She's the Miss Cleo of Sony Info.

[mormapope]

The best Neogaf leaker/insider was the dude who talked about The Master Chief Collection, Phantom Dust I think, and Crackdown. He hyped up Halo and said how rad it would, shit launches and its a disaster.  Phantom Dust gets canned. 

Crackdown will probably end up alright.

[Himu]

I can think of many gaf mods who handle this is in a much better manner when they have sources. I can think of multiple GAF mods who knew about Shenmue 3 before it was even announced. Don't see him leaking shit nor hinting at shit. There's many ways one can conduct themselves with insider knowledge. I don't know why Kagari does it, but she does have contacts. That's not disputable.

[bork]

Spoiler tags ruin games for me, because now I know something happens.

Newsfeed worthy.

[studyguy]

I want a Walter Mercado of insider info, not a Miss Cleo

[Steve Contra]

There are, I shit you not, several posters here who amazing SE contacts, as well as elsewhere.

[Dennis]

When people complained about the winner of the dota championship being spoiled in a headline that's when I knew we hit the end.

Oh we still have miles to go I am sure.

[mormapope]

I can think of many gaf mods who handle this is in a much better manner when they have sources. Kev knew about Shenmue 3 before it was even announced. Don't see him leaking shit nor hinting at shit. There's many ways one can conduct themselves with insider knowledge. I don't know why Kagari does it, but she does have contacts. That's not disputable.

Some database shit got updated right before E3 and people found twitter shit from Sony people though. No reason to stick your next out when people are onto something, people might've not known it was Shenmue 3, but it was going to be Shenmue something.

[Rahxephon91]

For someone who has insiders she sure seems confused and typically fangirl angry when Square doesn't show the goods.

But should'nt she know this stuff beforehand thanks to Bob From Square Enix who sends her the screens to put on her website!

[Himu]

Seriously what Contra said. Getting SE contacts isn't that hard if you have someone in the know. The problem with Kags is that I think she wants to appeal to her uh fanbase a lot, and leaks stuff even without much info for brownie points. What we're describing isn't that out of the ordinary. And it also doesn't make Kagari special.

[bork]

Um, okay. You're wrong. Many GAF mods talk to insiders just coming with the job of being a moderator on the largest gaming forum on the internet. Kags, has that, combined with owning one of the more larger Final Fantasy news sites. I have worked with Kagari on a site. She's got contacts. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Again.

> Implying it's a job.

Being a moderator there means absolutely nothing in that sense.  She just got friendly with some insiders.

A buddy of mine worked in the industry for a while.  I remember being told that "BIG SPOILER NDA FIRING-WORTHY NEWS" was in fact...that a game would be shipping on several discs.   

[Himu]

Um, okay. You're wrong. Many GAF mods talk to insiders just coming with the job of being a moderator on the largest gaming forum on the internet. Kags, has that, combined with owning one of the more larger Final Fantasy news sites. I have worked with Kagari on a site. She's got contacts. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Again.

> Implying it's a job.

Being a moderator there means absolutely nothing in that sense.  She just got friendly with some insiders.

You're taking the word job too literal. It's not an actual job, but it's her job to moderate.

[bork]

They moderate there? 

[Rahxephon91]

thing about Kags is that she does have insider knowledge.

She doesn't have insider knowledge, per se afaik,

[Himu]

Whoops. In any case, Rah, you're wrong about Kagari. But don't let Kagari's behavior deter you from facts.

lol @ bork